Trying to track BBC Basic rights holders.
Andrew Hodgson
As the title suggests, I'm trying to find the rights holder(s) for the
original BBC Basic.
I managed to get it to Pace. But after that the trail goes cold. Pace
do not seem to know if they have it or not, and don't know if they
have sold it.
If anyone out there knows or even has any knowledge at all, I would
greatly appreciate it.
Thanks
Andy
Rob Kendrick
Andrew Hodgson <andyho...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> I'm hoping someone out there might be able to help with this.
>
> As the title suggests, I'm trying to find the rights holder(s) for the
> original BBC Basic.
By "original", do you mean the 6502 version that ran on the BBC Micro?
B.
Andrew Hodgson
> > I'm hoping someone out there might be able to help with this.
>
> > As the title suggests, I'm trying to find the rights holder(s) for the
> > original BBC Basic.
>
> By "original", do you mean the 6502 version that ran on the BBC Micro?
>
> B.
Yes, the one written by Sophie Wilson.
Although if we go by wikipedias page it would be Basic 1-6 ;)
Rob Kendrick
Andrew Hodgson <andyho...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 20, 8:50 pm, Rob Kendrick <n...@rjek.com> wrote:
> > On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 12:22:32 -0800 (PST)
> >
> > Andrew Hodgson <andyhodgso...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > I'm hoping someone out there might be able to help with this.
> >
> > > As the title suggests, I'm trying to find the rights holder(s)
> > > for the original BBC Basic.
> >
> > By "original", do you mean the 6502 version that ran on the BBC
> > Micro?
>
> Yes, the one written by Sophie Wilson.
> Although if we go by wikipedias page it would be Basic 1-6 ;)
Several have been written by Sophie Wilson. When rights-hunting, it is
best to be as specific as possible.
B.
Andrew Hodgson
The ones I am looking for would be for the BBC B, Electron and BBC
Master
charles
<60c71565-08ad-4193...@k17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
It might be worth contacting Richard Russell since he wrote a version for
DOS. He probably knows the full story.
I suspect the rights may belong to the BBC as they specified it.
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Rob Kendrick
Andrew Hodgson <andyho...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > Yes, the one written by Sophie Wilson.
> > > Although if we go by wikipedias page it would be Basic 1-6 ;)
> >
> > Several have been written by Sophie Wilson. When rights-hunting,
> > it is best to be as specific as possible.
>
> The ones I am looking for would be for the BBC B, Electron and BBC
> Master
Didn't the Electron have a different, integer-only version?
B.
Andrew Hodgson
> In article
> <60c71565-08ad-4193-bb7b-d62d98221...@k17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
Thanks, all give him a go.
>Didn't the Electron have a different, integer-only version?
According to wiki, the electron ran Basic 2, which was used in the
electron and BBC B+ after 82. Of course wiki could be wrong. ;)
Andrew Hodgson
After speaking with Richard, It seems I have asked the wrong
question.
I am seeking the rights holder for the OS (MOS) roms. not the basic
language rom.
Sorry for the confusion.
Rob Kendrick
Andrew Hodgson <andyho...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > According to wiki, the electron ran Basic 2, which was used in the
> > electron and BBC B+ after 82. Of course wiki could be wrong. ;)
>
> After speaking with Richard, It seems I have asked the wrong
> question.
> I am seeking the rights holder for the OS (MOS) roms. not the basic
> language rom.
> Sorry for the confusion.
Perhaps you should describe what it is you are trying to achieve.
Also, please try to snip your replies.
B.
Andrew Hodgson
> Also, please try to snip your replies.
>
> B.
I am trying to set-up a website that brings together information and
resources from Acorn Computers. Part of this is to include a
searchable database of software and roms, listing whether they are
available for use, copyrighted or lost, and were possible include who
the current owners are, with any restrictions on their use.
Although some are quite easy to find out about, Superior Software is
still running, others have either been brought, closed or just have no
information known about them.
>Also, please try to snip your replies.
Sorry about that, I will try and snip them each time :)
Thanks again for your help
Chris Evans
Andrew Hodgson <URL:mailto:andyho...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 20, 8:50�pm, Rob Kendrick <n...@rjek.com> wrote:
> > On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 12:22:32 -0800 (PST)
> >
> > Andrew Hodgson <andyhodgso...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > I'm hoping someone out there might be able to help with this.
> >
> > > As the title suggests, I'm trying to find the rights holder(s) for the
> > > original BBC Basic.
> >
> > By "original", do you mean the 6502 version that ran on the BBC Micro?
> >
> > B.
>
> Yes, the one written by Sophie Wilson.
Sophie was involved with BASIC certainly up to the BASIC in RISC OS 3.7,3.8
and 4.02
Can the rights from earlier versions be seperated out?
keywords etc.
I remember the e14 appointed Director of RISCOSLtd explaining that when Stan
Bolland was negotiating the PACE deal they specifically made sure that
rights were granted to E14 Inc for BASIC as it was Sophie's 'baby' and she
was moving to e14 Inc.
> Although if we go by wikipedias page it would be Basic 1-6 ;)
>
Chris Evans
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Theo Markettos
> Didn't the Electron have a different, integer-only version?
I think you're thinking of the Atom. Otherwise the Electron wouldn't have
been very BBC compatible at all.
Was Atom BASIC also by Sophie Wilson?
Theo
druck
No, the Electron ran almost exactly the same BASIC as the BBC B.
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Rob Kendrick
druck <ne...@druck.freeuk.com> wrote:
> On 21 Dec 2009 Rob Kendrick <nn...@rjek.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 13:26:46 -0800 (PST)
> > Andrew Hodgson <andyho...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >> The ones I am looking for would be for the BBC B, Electron and BBC
> >> Master
>
> > Didn't the Electron have a different, integer-only version?
>
> No, the Electron ran almost exactly the same BASIC as the BBC B.
Nod; as Theo suggested, I was confusing it with the Atom.
B.
Jonathan Graham Harston
> I am trying to set-up a website that brings together information and
> resources from Acorn Computers. Part of this is to include a
> searchable database of software and roms, listing whether they are
> available for use, copyrighted or lost, and were possible include who
You can't uncopyright something, it's an intrinsic characteristic
of a publication. The copyright holder can allow unrestricted
redistribution, but that's *not* removing copyright, it's *giving*
a permission.
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a great light"
Jonathan Graham Harston
> No, the Electron ran almost exactly the same BASIC as the BBC B.
devotion to 'reboot -q'.
David Holden
On 22-Dec-2009, j...@arcade.demon.co.uk (Jonathan Graham Harston) wrote:
> andyhodgson75 wrote:
> > I am trying to set-up a website that brings together information and
>
> Set up. Set-up is a noun.
>
> > resources from Acorn Computers. Part of this is to include a
> > searchable database of software and roms, listing whether they are
> > available for use, copyrighted or lost, and were possible include who
>
> They'll be copyrighted until 50 years after they were published.
> You can't uncopyright something, it's an intrinsic characteristic
> of a publication. The copyright holder can allow unrestricted
> redistribution, but that's *not* removing copyright, it's *giving*
> a permission.
Slight pedantic correction. Copyright is an intrinsic characteristic of the
*creation* of a "work", whether published or not.
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Alan Dawes
David Holden <Spa...@apdl.co.uk> wrote:
And it doesn't necessarily belong to the creator of the work.
"First copyright in an original copyright protected work would generally
rest with the person who creates the work in accordance with section 11 of
the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988. That person could be an
author, an artist, designer, film director or a computer programmer. An
exception to this general rule would be those works which an author
creates as part of his work as an employee. In such cases, the copyright
in the work produced would rest with the author�s employer (section 11(2)
of the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 refers)."
(from the Office of Public Sector Information website)
Alan
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druck
> druck wrote:
>> No, the Electron ran almost exactly the same BASIC as the BBC B.
>
> Not almost, exactly. It was 6502 BBC BASIC II.
No, it was a different point release.
---druck
Jonathan Graham Harston
> Slight pedantic correction. Copyright is an intrinsic characteristic of the
> *creation* of a "work", whether published or not.
from reproduction or distribution".
alan wrote:
> And it doesn't necessarily belong to the creator of the work.
> creates as part of his work as an employee. In such cases, the copyright
> in the work produced would rest with the author�s employer (section 11(2)
the year of the death of the creator - implicitly meaning a
corporate creator dies as soon as it creates something ;)
to 6502 BBC BASIC II as found in the Electon.
*hexdiff BBC_120.BASIC2 Electron.BASIC2 diff
*type diff
0000000000
*There are three food groups: brown, green and ice cream.
Sprow
wrote:
> > >> No, the Electron ran almost exactly the same BASIC as the BBC B.
> > >
> > > Not almost, exactly. It was 6502 BBC BASIC II.
> >
> > No, it was a different point release.
>
> 6502 BBC BASIC II as found in the BBC Micro is binarily identical
> to 6502 BBC BASIC II as found in the Electon.
>
> *hexdiff BBC_120.BASIC2 Electron.BASIC2 diff
The BASIC ROM user guide corroborates this.
I had always thought it would be different since I assumed it
implemented the FUNC+key functionality (where BASIC keywords on the
sides of the keycaps could be typed by use of the shortcut key), and
language entry reason codes 2 & 3 request bytes from a FUNC+key
expansion and get the length respectively. So - does the MOS collude
with BASIC to do these? That'd make sense I suppose if the BASIC was
the original BASIC II,
Sprow
druck
> 6502 BBC BASIC II as found in the BBC Micro is binarily identical
> to 6502 BBC BASIC II as found in the Electon.
Is that the ROM saved out of an Electron or the ROM image which came
with some Beeb emulator?
---druck
Jonathan Graham Harston
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Jonathan Graham Harston
> > 6502 BBC BASIC II as found in the BBC Micro is binarily identical
> > to 6502 BBC BASIC II as found in the Electon.
> >
> > *hexdiff BBC_120.BASIC2 Electron.BASIC2 diff
>
> expansion and get the length respectively. So - does the MOS collude
> with BASIC to do these? That'd make sense I suppose if the BASIC was
itself. There is a table of BASIC keyword strings from about &EF00
onwards.Thou shalt not subject thy God to market forces. (First book of Brutha)
Hans Heinsbroek
<URL:mailto:theom...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> Rob Kendrick <nn...@rjek.com> wrote:
> > Didn't the Electron have a different, integer-only version?
>
> I think you're thinking of the Atom. Otherwise the Electron wouldn't have
> been very BBC compatible at all.
Yeah! Standard AtomBasic was integer only.
And the fun part: if you had the FP ROM you needed the % to
specify a FP variable... %A=1.23456
It took a day or so to get used to the BBC notation :-)
Gr. Hans H
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