Font for symbol Phi

[Richard Ashbery]

Anyone know where I can get a Font for the mathematical symbol - Phi I
can use in EasiWriter?

Richard

[Peter Young]

On 6 Jun 2013 Richard Ashbery <bas...@invalid.addr.uk> wrote:

> Anyone know where I can get a Font for the mathematical symbol - Phi I
> can use in EasiWriter?

It's in Sidney, which I think is a pretty standard RISC OS font.

With best wishes,

Peter.

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[John Williams (News)]

In article <5357a090...@invalid.addr.uk>,

Richard Ashbery <bas...@invalid.addr.uk> wrote:

> Anyone know where I can get a Font for the mathematical symbol - Phi I
> can use in EasiWriter?

I have MathGreek and MathPhys. One of these came with TechWriter, butI
guess if I knew which I could send you the other one! They are very
similar, but have saome different top-bit symbols.

I would guess that MathPhys is the TechWriter one which I shouldn't send
you, and MathGreek I have got somewhere else PD.

If anyone can confirm?

John

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[John Williams (News)]

In article <5357a090...@invalid.addr.uk>,
Richard Ashbery <bas...@invalid.addr.uk> wrote:

> Anyone know where I can get a Font for the mathematical symbol - Phi I
> can use in EasiWriter?

I have MathGreek and MathPhys. One of these came with TechWriter, butI
guess if I knew which I could send you the other one! They are very

similar, but have some different top-bit symbols.

[Richard Ashbery]

In article <d3aca2575...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Peter Young

<pny...@ormail.co.uk> wrote:
> On 6 Jun 2013 Richard Ashbery <bas...@invalid.addr.uk> wrote:

> > Anyone know where I can get a Font for the mathematical symbol -
> > Phi I can use in EasiWriter?

> It's in Sidney, which I think is a pretty standard RISC OS font.

> With best wishes,

So it is - thank you very much - I've been searching for this symbol
for some time - it didn't occur to me to look in Sidney.

Many thanks Peter

Richard

[Martin Wuerthner]

"John Williams (News)" <UCE...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <5357a090...@invalid.addr.uk>,
> Richard Ashbery <bas...@invalid.addr.uk> wrote:
>
> > Anyone know where I can get a Font for the mathematical symbol - Phi I
> > can use in EasiWriter?
>
> I have MathGreek and MathPhys. One of these came with TechWriter, butI
> guess if I knew which I could send you the other one! They are very
> similar, but have saome different top-bit symbols.
>
> I would guess that MathPhys is the TechWriter one which I shouldn't send
> you, and MathGreek I have got somewhere else PD.
>
> If anyone can confirm?

Both are commercial fonts (produced by EFF), so you cannot give them to
others. MathPhys is basically MathGreek with a few glyphs replaced to
support TechWriter. MathGreek once came with Impression, so it is a very
widespread font, but by no means PD.

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[John Williams (News)]

In article <mpro.mo0ijf0009...@mw-software.com>,

Martin Wuerthner <spam...@mw-software.com> wrote:

> Both are commercial fonts (produced by EFF), so you cannot give them to
> others. MathPhys is basically MathGreek with a few glyphs replaced to
> support TechWriter. MathGreek once came with Impression, so it is a very
> widespread font, but by no means PD.

Thank you for the clarification!

[Dave Symes]

In article <d3aca2575...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>,
Peter Young <pny...@ormail.co.uk> wrote:

> On 6 Jun 2013 Richard Ashbery <bas...@invalid.addr.uk> wrote:

> > Anyone know where I can get a Font for the mathematical symbol - Phi I
> > can use in EasiWriter?

> It's in Sidney, which I think is a pretty standard RISC OS font.

> With best wishes,

> Peter.

Lower case "p" if IIRC. (Sydney)

Dave

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[Dave Symes]

In article <d3aca2575...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>,
Peter Young <pny...@ormail.co.uk> wrote:

> On 6 Jun 2013 Richard Ashbery <bas...@invalid.addr.uk> wrote:

> > Anyone know where I can get a Font for the mathematical symbol - Phi I
> > can use in EasiWriter?

> It's in Sidney, which I think is a pretty standard RISC OS font.

> With best wishes,

> Peter.

Lower case "p" IIRC. (Sydney)

Dave

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[Peter Young]

"f" actually!

[Dave Symes]

In article <5f930b585...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>,

Peter Young <pny...@ormail.co.uk> wrote:
> On 7 Jun 2013 Dave Symes <da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

> > In article <d3aca2575...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>,
> > Peter Young <pny...@ormail.co.uk> wrote:
> >> On 6 Jun 2013 Richard Ashbery <bas...@invalid.addr.uk> wrote:

> >>> Anyone know where I can get a Font for the mathematical symbol - Phi
> >>> I can use in EasiWriter?

> >> It's in Sidney, which I think is a pretty standard RISC OS font.

> >> With best wishes,

> >> Peter.

> > Lower case "p" IIRC. (Sydney)

> "f" actually!

> With best wishes,

> Peter.

Now you've forced me to check...

Nope! "f" in Sidney font produces a circle with a vertical bar through it.
Alt + 102

"p" produces the traditional pi character.
Alt + 112

Dave

PS: I've just dug up the MathsPhys font and that's the same.

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[Dave Symes]

I've just realised I'm reading something else entirely.

You are talking about Phi indeedy "f" 1.6180+ and I'm wittering on about
the real Pi "p" 3.1415+

Ah well, apologies...

Dave

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[M Harding]

In article <53582e5...@triffid.co.uk>,

Dave Symes <da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <5f930b585...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>,
> Peter Young <pny...@ormail.co.uk> wrote:
> > On 7 Jun 2013 Dave Symes <da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

> > > In article <d3aca2575...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>,
> > > Peter Young <pny...@ormail.co.uk> wrote:
> > >> On 6 Jun 2013 Richard Ashbery <bas...@invalid.addr.uk> wrote:

> > >>> Anyone know where I can get a Font for the mathematical symbol - Phi
> > >>> I can use in EasiWriter?

> > >> It's in Sidney, which I think is a pretty standard RISC OS font.

> > >> With best wishes,

> > >> Peter.

> > > Lower case "p" IIRC. (Sydney)

> > "f" actually!

> Now you've forced me to check...

> Nope! "f" in Sidney font produces a circle with a vertical bar
> through it. Alt + 102

> "p" produces the traditional pi character. Alt + 112

I'm no mathematician but did do (ancient) Greek. I can confirm that
in Sydney, f produces phi (which is indeed " a circle with a
vertical bar through it"); F produces the capital equivalent.

However, phi can also be written in Greek as almost a circle, with a
break at the top left of the circle and the downward stroke flowing
on from the top centre - I have a vague idea I've seen this in maths
papers. I'd always assumed it was the written ("cursive") version of
the printed phi, but I've also been forced to check it and just found
it printed in that alternative form in a copy of the New Testament.
You get that letter phi in Sydney font, with a j.

p does, as you say, give pi.

There's a similar letter in Greek though: "psi" which looks rather
like a trident with curved outer prongs - that's obtained by y.

Omega Kappa? 8-)

Michael Harding
Rev. Preb. M.D. Harding ris...@mdharding.org.uk

[Russell Hafter News]

In article <53582e5...@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes
<da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

> Nope! "f" in Sidney font produces a circle with a
> vertical bar through it. Alt + 102

Which is what Phi looks like.

Using XChars, in Sidney, lower case phi is alt-102, upper
case is alt-70, which is 'f' and 'F'.

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[Peter Young]

On 7 Jun 2013 Dave Symes <da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

[snip]

> I've just realised I'm reading something else entirely.

> You are talking about Phi indeedy "f" 1.6180+ and I'm wittering on about
> the real Pi "p" 3.1415+

> Ah well, apologies...

Ah, well, "It's (all) Greek to me" :-)

[Felicity S.]

M.Harding wrote:

> Dave Symes wrote:
>> Peter Young wrote:
>>> Dave Symes wrote:
>>>> Peter Young wrote:

>>>>> Richard Ashbery wrote:

>>>>>> Anyone know where I can get a Font for the mathematical symbol -
>>>>>> Phi I can use in EasiWriter?

>>>>> It's in Sidney, which I think is a pretty standard RISC OS font.

>>>>> Lower case "p" IIRC. (Sydney)

>>> "f" actually!

>> Now you've forced me to check...

>> Nope! "f" in Sidney font produces a circle with a vertical bar through
>> it. Alt + 102

>> "p" produces the traditional pi character. Alt + 112

> I'm no mathematician but did do (ancient) Greek. I can confirm that in
> Sydney, f produces phi (which is indeed " a circle with a vertical bar
> through it"); F produces the capital equivalent.

> However, phi can also be written in Greek as almost a circle, with a
> break at the top left of the circle and the downward stroke flowing
> on from the top centre - I have a vague idea I've seen this in maths
> papers. I'd always assumed it was the written ("cursive") version of
> the printed phi, but I've also been forced to check it and just found
> it printed in that alternative form in a copy of the New Testament.

> You get that in Sydney font with a j.

> p does, as you say, give pi.

> There's a similar letter in Greek though: "psi" which looks rather
> like a trident with curved outer prongs - that's obtained by y.

One easy way to know all this is to look at !Chars - click menu over
its display then select Sydney, and you'll see that most of the upper
case letters - A B E H I K M N O T Z - remain quite unchanged. From
this you can readily work out what other lower case letters to use.

For example, to get phi use alt with the letter after e, which is f.

And "almost a circle, with a break at the top left of the circle and
the downward stroke flowing on from the top centre" is sitting right
there looking at you, in between the two letters i and k, so j.

Or regard the "trident with curved outer prongs" preceding z, so y.

I'm not saying that you should use !Chars to enter Greek symbols,
(although you could), but that leaving the !Chars display on-screen
is an easy way to find which alt-letter will give which symbol.


Fliss

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[M Harding]

In article <fIxm7.2485$lk6.8...@rdsqurrl.com>,

Felicity S. <Fl...@rdsqurrl.com> wrote:
> M.Harding wrote:

> > Dave Symes wrote:
> >> Peter Young wrote:
> >>> Dave Symes wrote:
> >>>> Peter Young wrote:
> >>>>> Richard Ashbery wrote:

> >>>>>> Anyone know where I can get a Font for the mathematical symbol -
> >>>>>> Phi I can use in EasiWriter?

> >>>>> It's in Sidney, which I think is a pretty standard RISC OS font.

> >>>>> Lower case "p" IIRC. (Sydney)

> >>> "f" actually!

> >> Now you've forced me to check...

> >> Nope! "f" in Sidney font produces a circle with a vertical bar
> >> through it. Alt + 102

> >> "p" produces the traditional pi character. Alt + 112

[ . . . . ]

> > There's a similar letter in Greek though: "psi" which looks
> > rather like a trident with curved outer prongs - that's obtained
> > by y.

> One easy way to know all this is to look at !Chars - click menu
> over its display then select Sydney, and you'll see that most of
> the upper case letters - A B E H I K M N O T Z - remain quite
> unchanged. From this you can readily work out what other lower case
> letters to use.

[ . . .]

> I'm not saying that you should use !Chars to enter Greek symbols,
> (although you could), but that leaving the !Chars display on-screen
> is an easy way to find which alt-letter will give which symbol.

It had never occurred to me before that !Chars could change from its
System font. I'd always been used to looking up Dingbats from a
printed display. Thanks for that tip.

[Russell Hafter News]

In article <5358c050...@mdharding.org.uk>, M Harding

<ris...@mdharding.org.uk> wrote:

> > I'm not saying that you should use !Chars to enter
> > Greek symbols, (although you could), but that leaving
> > the !Chars display on-screen is an easy way to find
> > which alt-letter will give which symbol.

> It had never occurred to me before that !Chars could
> change from its System font. I'd always been used to
> looking up Dingbats from a printed display. Thanks for
> that tip.

Martin Würthner's !XChars is even nicer. This will display
different character sets too, as long as the font includes
them. Thus, for Trinity you can see Latin 1 to 6, 9 and
Welsh.

Since getting it I had forgotten about the Acorn Version.