Zap like editor
Dave Symes
Is there an editor similar to Zap in the Linux Ubuntu world.
Thanks
Dave
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Rob Kendrick
Dave Symes <da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> Can anyone who is also a multi OS user advise please.
>
> Is there an editor similar to Zap in the Linux Ubuntu world.
"Similar" in what respect? I use Emacs; it's powerful, has rich syntax
colouring, many out-of-the-box scripts, defaults to white-on-black
text, and has a dreadful scripting language. It's Zap, but more so.
Alternatively, if your needs are simple, it's difficult to fault GEdit.
Or there's Vim, which also has lots of strong points.
I use all three interchangeably.
B.
Dave Symes
> B.
Thanks
Dave
Reason I asked, I needed to look at a strange file and GEdit wouldn't open
it, dragged it in to Zap over the LAN and Zap opened it perfectly okay...
As it will do with almost anything you throw at it.
I'll have a play with the other two and see.
Interestingly, I was informed that Notepad++ was available for linux, but
I've not found it... Only folks using the Windows version under emulation.
Thanks again.
D.
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Steve Fryatt
<50cabbd...@triffid.co.uk>:
> Can anyone who is also a multi OS user advise please.
>
> Is there an editor similar to Zap in the Linux Ubuntu world.
Could you be more specific as to what you mean by "similar"? There are
plenty of text editors available -- some more user friendly but lacking in
features; others with more features but lacking in the hand-holding GUI
department. I've yet to find something directly comparable to Zap or
StrongED in terms of features /and/ GUI, however.
By default, you have GEdit installed (Applications->Accessories->Text
Editor), and that's reasonably friendly but a bit limited if you're used to
Zap. It's certainly not Edit or Notepad.
Of course, Zap was (apparently) influenced by Emacs to some extent... ;-)
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Rob Kendrick
Dave Symes <da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> Reason I asked, I needed to look at a strange file and GEdit wouldn't
> open it, dragged it in to Zap over the LAN and Zap opened it
> perfectly okay... As it will do with almost anything you throw at it.
Any specific reason it wouldn't open it? GEdit's strength is near
perfect Unicode handling; it will often refuse to open files if it
cannot guess what encoding it uses. This happens most often with
binary files.
B.
Derek.Moody
<URL:mailto:da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <20091216213...@trite.i.flarn.net.i.flarn.net>,
> Rob Kendrick <nn...@rjek.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:15:35 +0000 (GMT)
> > Dave Symes <da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > Can anyone who is also a multi OS user advise please.
> > >
> > > Is there an editor similar to Zap in the Linux Ubuntu world.
>
> it, dragged it in to Zap over the LAN and Zap opened it perfectly okay...
> As it will do with almost anything you throw at it.
Open the AddRemve application, type 'edit' in the search box and work your
way through the list.
Cheerio,
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Ste (news)
Steve Fryatt <ne...@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
> Could you be more specific as to what you mean by "similar"? There are
> plenty of text editors available -- some more user friendly but lacking in
> features; others with more features but lacking in the hand-holding GUI
> department. I've yet to find something directly comparable to Zap or
> StrongED in terms of features /and/ GUI, however.
UltraEdit comes in Linux flavours, but isn't free. It's the best GUI editor
on a non-RISC OS platform that I've used. It's a pain to change the colour
scheme to not be white background. What's with that?!?
Ta,
Steve
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Dave Symes
> B.
I've installed both Gvim and emacs, both look okay, I'll have a play later.
Thanks for the pointer.
With regard to the files...
SWMBO was using an online TV guide, it had downloaded a number of files
into the main downloads directory, she was no longer interested in the
guide, so before I dumped the files (as you do) I wanted to check what
they were before excising.
Gedit wouldn't take them, so I naturally came to this machine and Zap, and
looked at them here over the network.
Nothing of any great import, just data and configuration files for the
Online TV guide.
Theo Markettos
> Any specific reason it wouldn't open it? GEdit's strength is near
> perfect Unicode handling; it will often refuse to open files if it
> cannot guess what encoding it uses. This happens most often with
> binary files.
That, IME, is a weakness. I'm more likely to want to open a random file to
find what's in it than to edit Unicode. An editor that refuses to open
binary files isn't much use as far as I'm concerned. Even a 'just treat as
ASCII, ignore the rest' button would be sufficient.
A note to the OP: many 'traditional' Unix editors make heavy use of
keystrokes, so you have to put some effort into learning them. Sure, (x)emacs
and gvim have menus but the menus (especially in the case of emacs) are
poorly designed - and many features are only accessible by keypresses. This
contrasts with Zap where pretty much every keypress has a menu equivalent.
I use joe as a console editor - it's reasonably friendly in that it displays
the keystroke help as a sub-window of your editing so you can edit and see
the help at the same time. That means it isn't necessary to learn them
before using it. But being a console editor it's a bit restrictive (eg have
to rely on X to do cut and paste to other apps).
Theo
Rob Kendrick
Theo Markettos <theom...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> Rob Kendrick <nn...@rjek.com> wrote:
> > Any specific reason it wouldn't open it? GEdit's strength is near
> > perfect Unicode handling; it will often refuse to open files if it
> > cannot guess what encoding it uses. This happens most often with
> > binary files.
>
> That, IME, is a weakness. I'm more likely to want to open a random
> file to find what's in it than to edit Unicode. An editor that
> refuses to open binary files isn't much use as far as I'm concerned.
> Even a 'just treat as ASCII, ignore the rest' button would be
> sufficient.
I agree, but then I am not the author of GEdit :) If I had my way,
it'd open them in a binary-type hex editing view, with an option to
open them as text in any fixed-width encoding that the user selected.
B.
druck
> A note to the OP: many 'traditional' Unix editors make heavy use of
> keystrokes, so you have to put some effort into learning them.
Once learned, it's like muscle memory, you'll take it to the grave.
---druck
Theo Markettos
Indeed. That's why I like programs that show me the keystrokes on the same
screen that I'm using them, so I can learn them through use. Rather than
buried on p52 of the manual, or five pages down in a help screen which
obscures your work.
Theo
PS: druck, you seem to be set to automatically email replies to poster. Any
chance you could turn this off as a default?
Graham Thurlwell
Until the authors decide to dump them. I remember how miffed I was
when Colton didn't use the Pipedream keyboard shortcuts when they
brought out Fireworkz - I'd grown up using the Z88 version of
Pipedream and hardly ever bothered with menus in Pipedream 3 and 4 on
RISC OS.
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Rob Kendrick
Graham Thurlwell <nos...@jades.org> wrote:
> On the 18 Dec 2009, druck <ne...@druck.org.uk> wrote:
>
> > Theo Markettos wrote:
> >> A note to the OP: many 'traditional' Unix editors make heavy use of
> >> keystrokes, so you have to put some effort into learning them.
>
> > Once learned, it's like muscle memory, you'll take it to the grave.
>
> Until the authors decide to dump them. I remember how miffed I was
> when Colton didn't use the Pipedream keyboard shortcuts when they
> brought out Fireworkz - I'd grown up using the Z88 version of
> Pipedream and hardly ever bothered with menus in Pipedream 3 and 4 on
> RISC OS.
Fortunately, EMACS and vi have been around for the best part of 30
years, and not a lot has changed in terms of the core set of shortcuts.
B.