EFF's TrueType Translator will now cope with OpenType fonts too. I've
just tried it and it seems to cope happily with the Quicksand OTF. It
cuts out the middle step and so hopefully makes a better translation.
Andrew
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The impossible I can do at once, miracles take a little longer!!
> EFF's TrueType Translator will now cope with OpenType fonts too. I've
> just tried it and it seems to cope happily with the Quicksand OTF. It
> cuts out the middle step and so hopefully makes a better translation.
Having done the conversion, any chance you could make your result available, please, Andrew?
(The author of the Quicksand font, Andrew Paglinawan, does makes clear on the download page (www.fontsquirrel.com/fonts/Quicksand) that it is licence-free and 100% free for use, including commercial use.)
In article <b426293552....@nails.abbeypress.net>,
Jim Nagel <jimnewsm...@abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:
> Andrew Conroy wrote on 20 Nov:
> > EFF's TrueType Translator will now cope with OpenType fonts too. I've
> > just tried it and it seems to cope happily with the Quicksand OTF. It
> > cuts out the middle step and so hopefully makes a better translation.
> Having done the conversion, any chance you could make your result > available, please, Andrew?
> (The author of the Quicksand font, Andrew Paglinawan, does makes clear > on the download page (www.fontsquirrel.com/fonts/Quicksand) that it is > licence-free and 100% free for use, including commercial use.)
I've just noticed that the E in Quicksand.Bold seems to be offset
vertically for some reason.
Andrew
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The impossible I can do at once, miracles take a little longer!!
My conversion of Quicksand is on the new piLEARN website.
Did all the font in the site graphics using it - really pleasing font
to work with.
Inspired choice by Raspberry Pi.
Regards,
Martin.
In message <b7489473-82e8-438f-ac28-16a2f8977...@o5g2000yqa.googlegrou ps.com>
Martin Hansen <m...@shrewsbury.org.uk> wrote:
> My conversion of Quicksand is on the new piLEARN website.
> Did all the font in the site graphics using it - really pleasing font
> to work with.
> Inspired choice by Raspberry Pi.
> Regards,
> Martin.
> http://www. piLEARN.com
Looks a very nice font. Read about the Quicksand font being used for the RaspberryPi and thought I would like to try it out.
Downloaded the RISCOS version from www.pilearn.com After unzipping put the directory into a !Font directory and clicking on !Boot and the fonts icon clicked on install. Dropped !Fonts into the install fonts menu and clicked on merge. Rebooted machine.
On the Iyonix (OS 5.16) no problem and !NetSurf (r12493) loaded as usual.
On the Riscbook (VRPC OS 4.02) on rebooting I get the message 'The Unicode font library could not be initialised. Please report to the developers.' Message is from Netsurf which loads as part of my boot. Quicksand directory is certainly in the !Boot.Resources.!Fonts directory and several fonts prefixed by Quicksand are now listed in a text file called 'Messages1'. Removal of these allows !NetSurf (r13160) to start as normal after a re-boot.
Before I raise this formally with the NetSurf developers can anyone suggest what is the problem - It's quite possible I've done something silly. On the other hand has anyone else had a problem.
Regards,
-- Graham Pickles
www.whitbymuseum.org.uk Whitby Museum
Being healthy is merely the slowest possible rate at which one can die.
In article <c76cc53552.gra...@durain.demon.co.uk>,
Graham Pickles <gra...@durain.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Before I raise this formally with the NetSurf developers can anyone > suggest what is the problem - It's quite possible I've done something > silly. On the other hand has anyone else had a problem.
Do you have the Unicode stuff installed on RISC OS 4?
> In message <b7489473-82e8-438f-ac28-16a2f8977...@o5g2000yqa.googlegrou
> ps.com>
> Martin Hansen <m...@shrewsbury.org.uk> wrote:
>> My conversion of Quicksand is on the new piLEARN website.
>> Did all the font in the site graphics using it - really pleasing font
>> to work with.
>> Inspired choice by Raspberry Pi.
>> Regards,
>> Martin.
>> http://www. piLEARN.com
> Looks a very nice font. Read about the Quicksand font being used for
> the RaspberryPi and thought I would like to try it out.
> Downloaded the RISCOS version from www.pilearn.com After unzipping put
> the directory into a !Font directory and clicking on !Boot and the
> fonts icon clicked on install. Dropped !Fonts into the install fonts
> menu and clicked on merge. Rebooted machine.
> On the Iyonix (OS 5.16) no problem and !NetSurf (r12493) loaded as
> usual.
> On the Riscbook (VRPC OS 4.02) on rebooting I get the message 'The
> Unicode font library could not be initialised. Please report to the
> developers.' Message is from Netsurf which loads as part of my boot.
> Quicksand directory is certainly in the !Boot.Resources.!Fonts
> directory and several fonts prefixed by Quicksand are now listed in a
> text file called 'Messages1'. Removal of these allows !NetSurf
> (r13160) to start as normal after a re-boot.
Works ok for me on VA Adjust 4.39 and also no problems with !NetSurf v2.8 running VA on windows7.
> Before I raise this formally with the NetSurf developers can anyone
> suggest what is the problem - It's quite possible I've done something
> silly. On the other hand has anyone else had a problem.
In message <5235c805fbchrisjohnson+n...@spamcop.net>
Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+n...@spamcop.net> wrote:
> In article <c76cc53552.gra...@durain.demon.co.uk>,
> Graham Pickles <gra...@durain.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> Before I raise this formally with the NetSurf developers can anyone
>> suggest what is the problem - It's quite possible I've done something
>> silly. On the other hand has anyone else had a problem.
> Do you have the Unicode stuff installed on RISC OS 4?
Not quite sure what you are referring to, here. However when all else fails read the documentation (which goes against my religion) and
looking at that for NetSurf it says TTF2f (used I believe to make Quicksand for Risc OS) 'currently produces fonts suitable for RISC OS 5 only' - so this may indicate the problem.
Anyway I have decided to contact the netsurf list.
In message <acd8043652.gra...@durain.demon.co.uk>
Graham Pickles <gra...@durain.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <5235c805fbchrisjohnson+n...@spamcop.net>
> Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+n...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>> In article <c76cc53552.gra...@durain.demon.co.uk>,
>> Graham Pickles <gra...@durain.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Before I raise this formally with the NetSurf developers can anyone
>>> suggest what is the problem - It's quite possible I've done something
>>> silly. On the other hand has anyone else had a problem.
I got the 'Unicode' error too on OS4.04 initially.
>> Do you have the Unicode stuff installed on RISC OS 4?
> Not quite sure what you are referring to, here. However when all else
> fails read the documentation (which goes against my religion) and
> looking at that for NetSurf it says TTF2f (used I believe to make
> Quicksand for Risc OS) 'currently produces fonts suitable for RISC OS
> 5 only' - so this may indicate the problem.
The OS5 FontManager is required. How to do the necessary is at :-
> In message <acd8043652.gra...@durain.demon.co.uk>
> Graham Pickles <gra...@durain.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> In message <5235c805fbchrisjohnson+n...@spamcop.net>
>> Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+n...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>>> In article <c76cc53552.gra...@durain.demon.co.uk>,
>>> Graham Pickles <gra...@durain.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> Before I raise this formally with the NetSurf developers can anyone
>>>> suggest what is the problem - It's quite possible I've done something
>>>> silly. On the other hand has anyone else had a problem.
> I got the 'Unicode' error too on OS4.04 initially.
>>> Do you have the Unicode stuff installed on RISC OS 4?
>> Not quite sure what you are referring to, here. However when all else
>> fails read the documentation (which goes against my religion) and
>> looking at that for NetSurf it says TTF2f (used I believe to make
>> Quicksand for Risc OS) 'currently produces fonts suitable for RISC OS
>> 5 only' - so this may indicate the problem.
> The OS5 FontManager is required. How to do the necessary is at :-
> http://www.iconbar.com/articles/Getting_Unicode_Working_With_RISC_OS_4 > _and_6/index1267.html
> Works a treat.
> Note the bit in the comments about loading the modules in PreDesk from
> a sub-directory with a !Run.
In message <4d76093652.pitt...@iyonix.home>
David Pitt <pit...@pittdj.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <acd8043652.gra...@durain.demon.co.uk>
> Graham Pickles <gra...@durain.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> In message <5235c805fbchrisjohnson+n...@spamcop.net>
>> Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+n...@spamcop.net> wrote:
> The OS5 FontManager is required. How to do the necessary is at :-
> http://www.iconbar.com/articles/Getting_Unicode_Working_With_RISC_OS_4 > _and_6/index1267.html
> Works a treat.
> Note the bit in the comments about loading the modules in PreDesk from
> a sub-directory with a !Run.
Got it working now - as you say it works a treat. Many thanks.
In message <acd8043652.gra...@durain.demon.co.uk>
Graham Pickles <gra...@durain.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <5235c805fbchrisjohnson+n...@spamcop.net>
> Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+n...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>> In article <c76cc53552.gra...@durain.demon.co.uk>,
>> Graham Pickles <gra...@durain.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Before I raise this formally with the NetSurf developers can anyone
>>> suggest what is the problem - It's quite possible I've done something
>>> silly. On the other hand has anyone else had a problem.
>> Do you have the Unicode stuff installed on RISC OS 4?
> Not quite sure what you are referring to, here. However when all else
> fails read the documentation (which goes against my religion) and
> looking at that for NetSurf it says TTF2f (used I believe to make
> Quicksand for Risc OS) 'currently produces fonts suitable for RISC OS
> 5 only' - so this may indicate the problem.
That depends on which of the two conversions you choose. The one done by Andrew Conroy using the EFF font translator does not require the Unicode FontManager, the one from www.pilearn.com does, since it was produced by ttf2f.
The ttf2f conversion causes FontEd to crash, which makes me wonder whether it can be trusted. The one via the EFF font translator displays correctly in FontEd.
-- Martin
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In message <0bfb1d3652.mar...@bach.planiverse.com>
Martin Wuerthner <spamt...@mw-software.com> wrote:
> [...]
> The ttf2f conversion causes FontEd to crash, which makes me wonder
> whether it can be trusted. The one via the EFF font translator
> displays correctly in FontEd.
Except of course that the latter has this vertical shift problem with the capital "E" in the Bold.Oblique variant, which makes it unsuitable, too. It is not a good idea to have two different conversions floating around anyway, so maybe someone can come up with a proper conversion that can replace both of them, preferably one that does not require the Unicode FontManager?
-- Martin
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I think ttf2f is by John-Mark Bell.
Is he part of the Netsurf team ?
It would be a good idea to let him know that there is an issue.
He's previously fixed tt2f very quickly once someone actually told
him there was a problem.
(I don't have his email but I think I saw him at the London show)
I've tested the Quicksand font from piLEARN extensively on
the Iyonix with ArtWorks and Draw without any hint of a problem.
( When I did the graphics for the piLEARN website )
> In message <0bfb1d3652.mar...@bach.planiverse.com>
> Martin Wuerthner <spamt...@mw-software.com> wrote:
>> [...]
>> The ttf2f conversion causes FontEd to crash, which makes me wonder
>> whether it can be trusted. The one via the EFF font translator
>> displays correctly in FontEd.
> Except of course that the latter has this vertical shift problem with
> the capital "E" in the Bold.Oblique variant, which makes it
> unsuitable, too. It is not a good idea to have two different
> conversions floating around anyway, so maybe someone can come up with
> a proper conversion that can replace both of them, preferably one that
> does not require the Unicode FontManager?
I spoke to Edward Detyna of EFF by email yesterdsy, and he's looking into why the E is vertically shifted. Stand by.
> I've just noticed that the E in Quicksand.Bold seems to be offset
> vertically for some reason.
> Andrew
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> +----------------------------------------+--------------------------------- +
> The impossible I can do at once, miracles take a little longer!!
In article
<7da0e25c-c507-4bfd-be16-67e8fe967...@p9g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>, EFF
Fonts <eff.fo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi everybody,
> I have trucked the problem with some characters getting a vertical
> offset when translated from OpenType with effTTT .
> I have uploaded a new !effShared application whch solves the problem
> Please go to
> http::/thefonts.com/AcornSoft/
> read the info about !effShared and download its zipped version.
> Installation procedure is on that page.
[Snip]
Many thanks, Edward! Great to see somebody still willing to put effort
into supporting the platform. Must see if I can find some reason to buy
some more fonts from you!
In article
<7da0e25c-c507-4bfd-be16-67e8fe967...@p9g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
EFF Fonts <eff.fo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi everybody,
> I have trucked the problem with some characters getting a vertical
> offset when translated from OpenType with effTTT .
> I have uploaded a new !effShared application whch solves the problem
> Please go to
> http::/thefonts.com/AcornSoft/
> read the info about !effShared and download its zipped version.
> Installation procedure is on that page.
> I hope that solves the problem.
> Edward Detyna
> Electronic Font Foundry
Thanks Edward. I can confirm that this does now work correctly with
Quicksand. I've uploaded a new version to my website for people to try at
http://www.owlart.co.uk/public/Quicksand.zip
This version of the font will work happily on all versions of RISC OS, I
believe.
Andrew
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The impossible I can do at once, miracles take a little longer!!
> > I have uploaded a new !effShared application whch solves the
> > problem Please go to
> > http://thefonts.com/AcornSoft/ > > read the info about !effShared and download its zipped
> > version. Installation procedure is on that page.
> Thanks Edward. I can confirm that this does now work correctly
> with Quicksand. I've uploaded a new version to my website for
> people to try at http://www.owlart.co.uk/public/Quicksand.zip > This version of the font will work happily on all versions of
> RISC OS, I believe.
A very nice font. It installs[1] very nicely into
FontDirectoryPro on my RiscPC (RISC OS v4.39). Thank you to all
involved in fetching it, and also for publicising Font Squirrel.
Brian.
[1] For anyone who has forgotten how: Open the FDir filer
application; drag Quicksand from inside !Fonts to a suitable
division (I've used Body); compile; check; quit the FDir filer;
restart RISC OS.
> > > http://thefonts.com/AcornSoft/ > > > read the info about !effShared and download its
> > > zipped version. Installation procedure is on that
> > > page.
> > Thanks Edward. I can confirm that this does now work
> > correctly with Quicksand. I've uploaded a new version
> > to my website for people to try at
> > http://www.owlart.co.uk/public/Quicksand.zip > > This version of the font will work happily on all
> > versions of RISC OS, I believe.
> A very nice font.
Clearly a matter of opinion, but I do not like it at all and
cannot see that I would ever use it.
The standard book weight is, IMHO, far too faint, and the
light version is bearly visible at all. The bold version
goes totally OTT the other direction
There are a lot of gaps in the font, no ¤ (though it does
have ¥), no §, no þ in light and bold.
Plus it is significantly wider than Trinity, so documents
will take up more space.
It seems to be about the most serif free typeface I have
seen, making it not something that I would ever want to have
to read in any quantity.
> A very nice font. It installs[1] very nicely into
> FontDirectoryPro on my RiscPC (RISC OS v4.39). Thank you to all
> involved in fetching it, and also for publicising Font Squirrel.
> [1] For anyone who has forgotten how: Open the FDir filer
> application; drag Quicksand from inside !Fonts to a suitable
> division (I've used Body); compile; check; quit the FDir filer;
> restart RISC OS.
I too use Font Directory Professional (3.10) on my RiscPC (OS 4.39).
My setup has fonts filed in folders mostly according to source (e.g., Acorn, Artworks, EFF, EFF free, Monotype, ISV, Jarman, HarDecker, PD, unknown), so now I have a new folder for Fsquirrel.
Brian's steps accord with what I do, except that I don't find it necessary to reboot. However, I have learned the hard way not to leave any work unsaved before the operation.
Impression often crashes when it finds the font setup has changed, even when I merely switch a font on or off. It did not do so in the past (meaning up until five or more years ago), and I have never managed to work out what other change on my machine might have caused Impression to get upset. Workaround is simply to quit Impression before messing in the font system and relaunch after.
No other apps seem fazed by the process, which is the basic intention of Font Dir Pro.
> I too use Font Directory Professional (3.10) on my RiscPC (OS 4.39).
[snip]
> Impression often crashes when it finds the font setup has changed,
> even when I merely switch a font on or off. It did not do so in the
> past (meaning up until five or more years ago), and I have never
> managed to work out what other change on my machine might have caused
> Impression to get upset. Workaround is simply to quit Impression
> before messing in the font system and relaunch after.
> No other apps seem fazed by the process, which is the basic intention
> of Font Dir Pro.
Do you use DrawPlus?
(Impression seems quite happy with alterations to Font$Path on my
system, but some programs pre-scan the font menu on start-up and don't
acknowledge any changes without a restart - D+ not being the only
offender, but the first one that comes to mind. But that is via a
different system of font switching.)
-- Harriet Bazley == Loyaulte me lie ==
Sir Francis Drake circumcised the world with a 100-foot clipper.
In message <db8d293752....@nails.abbeypress.net>
Jim Nagel <jimnewsm...@abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:
> Impression often crashes when it finds the font setup has changed,
> even when I merely switch a font on or off. It did not do so in the
> past (meaning up until five or more years ago), and I have never
> managed to work out what other change on my machine might have caused
> Impression to get upset.
One thing to watch out for are fonts with long names. If the length of the complete dotted font name exceeds 39 characters, Impression has problems. There are a few fonts around that exceed this limit.
-- Martin
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