Who owns this Acorn logo ?

[Martin Hansen]

Dear All,
I'm messing around with graphics for my new
"Supporting RISC OS on Raspberry Pi" website
and came across this rather nice Acorn logo,
in both nut and cog wheel form.

http://acorn.is/logo/

I can't work out if this is an old abandoned site
or a new one in development...

Who designed the two logos ?
Are they open source for RISC OS community use ?
(I will of course give a credit if I can identify the author)

Regards,
Martin Hansen.

[Matthew Thompson]

In message <7ee2df48-7bf3-4730...@p2g2000vbj.googlegrou
ps.com>

Maybe it's Virtual Acorn ? as there's a lot of info on there about
them.

Matthew




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[Brian Jordan]

In article
<7ee2df48-7bf3-4730...@p2g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>,

Martin Hansen <m...@shrewsbury.org.uk> wrote:


> http://acorn.is/logo/

> I can't work out if this is an old abandoned site
> or a new one in development...

Looks like something abandoned while under construction.

> Who designed the two logos ?
> Are they open source for RISC OS community use ?
> (I will of course give a credit if I can identify the author)

A whois shows the site as being owned by an individual in Iceland
(possibly a Virtual Acorn owner?), the domain is registered until Oct
2012.

The site contains the following...
On the "Welcome" page "Don't you dare activate this before I've sorted
out which images we have permission for and which not."
...and on the"Freebies" page "Free stuff we're just giving away!
Help yourselves before we come to our senses.

The new logo

Large size for you to splash everywhere
Web size for you to splash everywhere"

"Caution" should be your watchword.

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[Martin]

On 19 Nov, in article <523497397ab...@btinternet.com>,

Brian Jordan <brian....@btinternet.com> wrote:
> In article
> <7ee2df48-7bf3-4730...@p2g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>,
> Martin Hansen <m...@shrewsbury.org.uk> wrote:


> > http://acorn.is/logo/

> > I can't work out if this is an old abandoned site
> > or a new one in development...
> Looks like something abandoned while under construction.

> > Who designed the two logos ?
> > Are they open source for RISC OS community use ?
> > (I will of course give a credit if I can identify the author)

> A whois shows the site as being owned by an individual in Iceland
> (possibly a Virtual Acorn owner?), the domain is registered until Oct
> 2012.

The page under Welcome - History is actually quite interesting!
Whether fact or fiction, current or old, is difficult to tell.
The source of the pages do contain dates of around 26/8/2010 and
copyright 2011AD Acorn Computers.

Martin

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[Brian Jordan]

In article <52349890...@avisoft.f9.co.uk>,

Martin <New...@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:
> On 19 Nov, in article <523497397ab...@btinternet.com>,
> Brian Jordan <brian....@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > <7ee2df48-7bf3-4730...@p2g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>,
> > Martin Hansen <m...@shrewsbury.org.uk> wrote:


> > > http://acorn.is/logo/

> The page under Welcome - History is actually quite interesting!
> Whether fact or fiction, current or old, is difficult to tell.
> The source of the pages do contain dates of around 26/8/2010 and
> copyright 2011AD Acorn Computers.

Welcome - History? Where is that?

Ah, found it. The site is so much more informative when I view it in
Firefox under Win 7 compared with the way it looks in NetSurf. There are
bits of CSS in there for menu handling sourced from Stu Nicholls's
excellent site which NetSurf doesn't handle at all well, if at all.

Brian

[Alan Calder]

In article <52349abde1b...@btinternet.com>,

Brian Jordan <brian....@btinternet.com> wrote:
> In article <52349890...@avisoft.f9.co.uk>,
> Martin <New...@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:
> > On 19 Nov, in article <523497397ab...@btinternet.com>,
> > Brian Jordan <brian....@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <7ee2df48-7bf3-4730...@p2g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>,
> > > Martin Hansen <m...@shrewsbury.org.uk> wrote:


> > > > http://acorn.is/logo/


> > The page under Welcome - History is actually quite interesting!
> > Whether fact or fiction, current or old, is difficult to tell.
> > The source of the pages do contain dates of around 26/8/2010 and
> > copyright 2011AD Acorn Computers.

> Welcome - History? Where is that?

> Ah, found it. The site is so much more informative when I view it in
> Firefox under Win 7 compared with the way it looks in NetSurf.

Strange. It looks quite nice under Netsurf but the Menu sub-menus don't
appear. Using Ancient Oregano v.1 it's a bit messy but the sub-menus
appear and all works fine. Een More Ancient Browse looks even more messy
but still displays and handles the menus just fine. Why? Can't be the CSS
with Browse.

Cheers

Alan

[Snip]

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[Vince M Hudd]

Martin Hansen <m...@shrewsbury.org.uk> wrote:

> Dear All, I'm messing around with graphics for my new "Supporting RISC OS
> on Raspberry Pi" website and came across this rather nice Acorn logo, in
> both nut and cog wheel form.

> http://acorn.is/logo/

> I can't work out if this is an old abandoned site or a new one in
> development...

I think it's a bit of both, by the looks of it - ie, it was in development
and then got abandoned.

Either way, it looks like the site is for Acorn Computers (Cambridge) Ltd,
given the mentions of Robin Hodson and Moss Rolfe (see
http://www.riscository.com/2010/acorn-computers-cambridge-ltd-changes-hands/
) - so one of them is probably responsible for the site. Whether either of
them is responsible for the logos, though, or if they were provided by
someone else again, is another matter.

> Who designed the two logos ? Are they open source for RISC OS community
> use ? (I will of course give a credit if I can identify the author)

There's an address and phone number on the contact/corporate page at
http://acorn.is/here/corp/ - and I'll look through my archives to try and
find the contact email address I used for Robin Hodson when I wrote the item
on RISCOSitory.com, and send it to you separately to this post. I think
emailing him is probably your best starting point.

Cheers,
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[Chris Shepheard]

In message <523497397ab...@btinternet.com>

Brian Jordan <brian....@btinternet.com> wrote:

>> I can't work out if this is an old abandoned site
>> or a new one in development...
> Looks like something abandoned while under construction.

The META Tags tell us it's copyright Acorn Computers 2011!

However it also says "adjusted from another site in !Zap".

Chris

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[Martin Hansen]

Dear All,
I've been contacted by the author asking that the logo NOT be used.
He's still working on it.
The site is supposed to be blocked and hidden from Google although
that's exactly how I found it !
However, I traced around the logo there as a starting point to
producing
my own which is now on the new piLEARN website.
Regards,
Martin.

http://www.piLEARN.com

[Rick Murray]

On 21/11/2011 16:03, Martin Hansen wrote:

> He's still working on it.
> The site is supposed to be blocked and hidden from Google although

...begs the question, obviously, why on earth there isn't a holding page
with this stuff hidden on an offline server.

I mean, what kind of dimwit develops on a *live* server?
[fx: quickly closes WinSCP window after fiddling with blog script ;-) ]

> However, I traced around the logo there as a starting point to
> producing my own which is now on the new piLEARN website.

Indeed, that or start from the original one, i.e.
http://www.microclear.co.uk/images/AcornLogo.jpg


> http://www.piLEARN.com

Whoa! Mathsy stuff way over my head. :-)

As for the logo, it is customary to write your licence terms in a lot
more words so others know exactly where they stand. I know, your few
short words ought to be sufficient, but...
Take a look at http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ and see if
you think that covers it. There's a more permissive one (doesn't require
share-alike) at http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ too.

Oh, and might I suggest you offer a high-res PNG for those who aren't
able to work with ArtWorks files?


Best wishes,

Rick.

[trevj]

On Nov 24, 7:09 am, Rick Murray <heyrickmail-use...@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

>
> Indeed, that or start from the original one, i.e.
>    http://www.microclear.co.uk/images/AcornLogo.jpg

> [snip]

That's the PC laptop company:
http://www.microclear.co.uk/acorn-laptops.htm
http://www.drobe.co.uk/riscos/artifact1594.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acorn_Computers_(2006)

Copies of old logos are floating around
http://www.iconbar.com/forums/viewthread.php?threadid=11805&page=1#119013
and may not attract copyright protection
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Filecore#Acorn_logos

[Rick Murray]

On 24/11/2011 09:45, trevj wrote:

>> Indeed, that or start from the original one, i.e.
>> http://www.microclear.co.uk/images/AcornLogo.jpg

> That's the PC laptop company:

Damn - the font, the logo, it all looks *so* familiar. ;-)

Thanks for the other links.


Best wishes,

Rick.

[Jim Nagel]

Stuart wrote on 24 Nov:

> In article <4ecdedc1$0$2521$ba4a...@reader.news.orange.fr>,

> Rick Murray <heyrickma...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> As for the logo, it is customary to write your licence terms in a lot
>> more words so others know exactly where they stand.

> I thought it was so that they took one look and gave up trying.
> That way you can slip in all sorts of unfair stuff!

Yes, and that surely is why they always display their "license" in
those irritating tiny scrolling panes.

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[Tim Hill]

In article <62122b3...@nails.abbeypress.net>, Jim Nagel

<jimne...@abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:
> Stuart wrote on 24 Nov:

> > In article <4ecdedc1$0$2521$ba4a...@reader.news.orange.fr>, Rick
> > Murray <heyrickma...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >> As for the logo, it is customary to write your licence terms in a
> >> lot more words so others know exactly where they stand.

> > I thought it was so that they took one look and gave up trying. That
> > way you can slip in all sorts of unfair stuff!

> Yes, and that surely is why they always display their "license" in
> those irritating tiny scrolling panes.

You mean those ones nobody ever reads but we alway click on Accept anyway?

Those panes scroll? ;-)

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[Rick Murray]

On 24/11/2011 10:08, Stuart wrote:

> I thought it was so that they took one look and gave up trying.
> That way you can slip in all sorts of unfair stuff!

That's why some open licences now have little logos. If you see CC-BY-SA
(or somesuch), you will know what the licence is without reading the
rubbish. Likewise GPL, you only need to look at the top to see if it is
the reasonable v2 or the ballsed-up v3 to know (having read it once)
what the rest will say.


Speaking of which, a licence clause pwned around 7500 people due to not
bothering to read the terms:
http://www.reghardware.com/2010/04/15/retailer_claims_souls/


Best wishes,

Rick.

[Rick Murray]

On 26/11/2011 17:17, Tim Hill wrote:

> You mean those ones nobody ever reads but we alway click on Accept anyway?

Yup, them.


> Those panes scroll? ;-)

Annoyingly, you'll run into the odd package where you are enforced to
read to the end (scroll to the bottom) before you can continue. Meh, why
the hell should I waste time reading what is largely gibberish, and also
frequently illegal/unenforcable (thou shalt not disassemble, this
licence is governed by the court of Rome, Wisconsin, all cases to be
heard by Judge Henry Bone [*], etc etc etc).


Best wishes,

Rick.

* - just hope Douglas Wambaugh is on YOUR side...

[Tim Hill]

In article <523844...@invalid.org.uk>, Tim Hill <t...@invalid.org.uk>
wrote:

[Snip]

> Those panes scroll? ;-)

On automatic pilot I added a smiley. If Stan is reading this perhaps he
would like to consider how that line would read differently without it.

:-p

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