Draw/Vector (was Missing font/Impression)
M Harding
> In article <50bfaf86...@mdharding.org.uk>,
> M Harding <ris...@mdharding.org.uk> wrote:
> > How does one convert Draw files to Windows?
In article <50bfb146...@tiscali.co.uk>,
John Williams (News) <UCE...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> Would Spr2Png help?
> Home link:
<URL:http://www.youmustbejoking.demon.co.uk/progs.graphics.html#spr2png>
(Certainly helpful, but produces sawtooth graphics, unlike Vector
ones.)
[Then ]
In article <7n4le6F...@mid.individual.net>,
David Holden <Spa...@apdl.co.uk> wrote:
> You can export Drawfiles as SVG from Draw directly using later
> versions of RISC OS or DrawWorks XL can export as SVG with earlier
> versions of Draw.
I do have DrawWorks XL and so tried that tip, which ended up as a file
which called itself SVG. I ported it to the VRPC via ShareFS and it
ended up as SVG,aad. Windows objected and, assuming this was wrong
(since files often seem to end up in Windows with added endings) I
renamed it Border.svg
But this also was unacceptable to XP. I tried it in Xara first, then
in Photoshop Elements, neither of which would accept it as valid.
Michael Harding
Rev. Preb. M.D. Harding ris...@mdharding.org.uk
Richard Travers
M Harding <ris...@mdharding.org.uk> wrote:
> I do have DrawWorks XL and so tried that tip, which ended up as a file
> which called itself SVG. I ported it to the VRPC via ShareFS and it
> ended up as SVG,aad. Windows objected and, assuming this was wrong
> (since files often seem to end up in Windows with added endings) I
> renamed it Border.svg
The changing of the .svg file to an .svg,aad file is down to the way you
have VRPC set up. (Look in Tools Options HostFS and select No Types to stop
it doing this.
> But this also was unacceptable to XP. I tried it in Xara first, then
> in Photoshop Elements, neither of which would accept it as valid.
Xara will read Draw files directly (give them a /drw extension) and can
then export them in a wide variety of formats.
R
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M Harding
Richard Travers <rich...@uwclub.net> wrote:
> In article <50bfbdb4...@mdharding.org.uk>,
> M Harding <ris...@mdharding.org.uk> wrote:
> > I do have DrawWorks XL and so tried that tip, which ended up as a
> > file which called itself SVG. I ported it to the VRPC via ShareFS
> > and it ended up as SVG,aad. Windows objected and, assuming this
> > was wrong (since files often seem to end up in Windows with added
> > endings) I renamed it Border.svg
> The changing of the .svg file to an .svg,aad file is down to the
> way you have VRPC set up. (Look in Tools Options HostFS and select
> No Types to stop it doing this.
Many thanks for that tip. Since I always go into full-screen mode it
took a bit of puzzling to see how to follow your advice. 8-) I've
duly switched that off.
> > But this also was unacceptable to XP. I tried it in Xara first,
> > then in Photoshop Elements, neither of which would accept it as
> > valid.
> Xara will read Draw files directly (give them a /drw extension)
> and can then export them in a wide variety of formats.
Can't seem to get that to work. The version I have is Xara XS, which
came "free" with a computer mag ages ago. (And which Ray would give
his eye teeth for, if I remember correctly!) There just appears a
blank frame.
John
<ris...@mdharding.org.uk> wrote:
> In article <50bfc07ef...@uwclub.net>, Richard
> Travers <rich...@uwclub.net> wrote:
> > The changing of the .svg file to an .svg,aad file is
> > down to the way you have VRPC set up. (Look in Tools
> > Options HostFS and select No Types to stop it doing
> > this.
> Many thanks for that tip. Since I always go into
> full-screen mode it took a bit of puzzling to see how to
> follow your advice. 8-) I've duly switched that off.
Rather than turn off Types for my main disc I've set up a
separate drive called NoTypes which appears on my icon bar.
The disadvantage of a drive which has No Types set is that
native RISC OS files appear as text files so you can't
easily determine which is an Impression, ArtWorks or Draw
file by looking at the icons.
If I want to look at a file from Windows, I drag it to
NoTypes in RISC OS and drop into Windows where I have a
short cut to the folder called NoTypes.
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Richard Travers
Maybe it's only later (and Xtreme) versions. I'm on Xara Xtreme version 4.0
R.
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M Harding
I've since received some more advice about this. It seems that XaraXS
accepts a Drawfile directly, but not with .drw wxtension. If you
change its extension to .aff (not to .aad as it comes over via
ShareFS) yes, I tried it and it does work.
However, the same person who supplied that advice asked why I wanted
to do it anyway? My reason is that I'd like to make available any
graphics I've collected over the decades in Draw format, for potential
use by someone taking on the parish mag with Windows DTP.
To which they replied that the average Windows user can't be bothered
with or doesn't know about vector graphics, so offer them as bitmap
files, maybe via .pdf format. So I presumably combine this idea with
that of John Williams (Missing font/Impression thread) - to avoid
saw-tooth edges by scaling them up first before converting to bitmap.
Steve Fryatt
<50bfd2c4...@blueyonder.co.uk>:
> In article <50bfcb51...@mdharding.org.uk>, M Harding
> <ris...@mdharding.org.uk> wrote:
> > In article <50bfc07ef...@uwclub.net>, Richard
> > Travers <rich...@uwclub.net> wrote:
>
> > > The changing of the .svg file to an .svg,aad file is down to the way
> > > you have VRPC set up. (Look in Tools Options HostFS and select No
> > > Types to stop it doing this.
>
> > Many thanks for that tip. Since I always go into full-screen mode it
> > took a bit of puzzling to see how to follow your advice. 8-) I've duly
> > switched that off.
>
> Rather than turn off Types for my main disc I've set up a separate drive
> called NoTypes which appears on my icon bar. The disadvantage of a drive
> which has No Types set is that native RISC OS files appear as text files
> so you can't easily determine which is an Impression, ArtWorks or Draw
> file by looking at the icons.
Rather than setting 'NoTypes', shouldn't you simply be setting a mapping so
that HostFS or LanMan98 knows that .svg means type AAD? That way it uses
the windows file extension to encode the RISC OS type, and so doesn't need
to add the ,aad bit to the end of the name.
(I think this works; it's a long time since I looked at HostFS on VA).
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druck
> The changing of the .svg file to an .svg,aad file is down to the way you
> have VRPC set up. (Look in Tools Options HostFS and select No Types to stop
> it doing this.
No, it's much better to add an extension to file type mapping in VPRC
for any types of files you use on both platforms. Then VRPC will not
append the comma extention when saving, and recognise (and strip) the
name extension in directory viewers. Once done this will work on any
drive configured in VRPC, without having to set up duplicate notype
variants.
---druck
Peter Naulls
Very much agree. However, AFAIK, VRPC still has the 10 year old bug
it inherited from Red Squirrel, in its abuse of extensions for text
files and stuff which should be "plain".
Jim Nagel
> ... I'd like to make available any
> graphics I've collected over the decades in Draw format, for potential
> use by someone taking on the parish mag with Windows DTP.
> can't be bothered with or doesn't know about vector graphics,...
i would make sure that whoever takes it over, if it's going to be a
Windows user, takes over a copy of Xara as well. about time to
introduce somebody in the Windows world to vector graphics.
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Russell Hafter News
<jimn...@abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:
Why are they refered to these days as 'vector graphics'?
In my teaching days we talked about 'object-oriented
graphics', which IMO is a much clearer term, as well as
being more appropriate.
People can easily think of circles, ellipses, geometrical
figures as 'objects', when they manifestly are not vectors.
Understanding the difference between bitmaps and
object-oriented graphics was part of the Standard Grade
syllabus, and we chose to teach it to first year pupils too.
But IRC we did have to use our (ancient) Macs to provide
examples for the classwork, rather than the whizzy, glossy,
multi-coloured Windows 95 boxes that the kids loved (when
they were working, that is).
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Rob Kendrick
Russell Hafter News <see...@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:
> Why are they refered to these days as 'vector graphics'?
>
> In my teaching days we talked about 'object-oriented
> graphics', which IMO is a much clearer term, as well as
> being more appropriate.
Because "object-oriented" can apply to layered pixel graphics
applications, too.
B.
John Williams (News)
Rob Kendrick <nn...@rjek.com> wrote:
> Because "object-oriented" can apply to layered pixel graphics
> applications, too.
Which Draw can do as well.
John
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Rob Kendrick
"John Williams (News)" <UCE...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <20091126095...@trite.i.flarn.net.i.flarn.net>,
> Rob Kendrick <nn...@rjek.com> wrote:
>
> > Because "object-oriented" can apply to layered pixel graphics
> > applications, too.
>
> Which Draw can do as well.
Not to quite the same degree. I can't think of any vector graphics
applications that can't import bitmaps. But hardly any can manipulate
them or treat them as first-class objects.
B.
Jim Lesurf
News <see...@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:
> In article <e88cfbb...@nails.ukonline.co.uk>, Jim Nagel
> <jimn...@abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:
> > M Harding wrote on 25 Nov :
> > > ... I'd like to make available any graphics I've collected over the
> > > decades in Draw format, for potential use by someone taking on the
> > > parish mag with Windows DTP. To which [a certain person] replied
> > > that the average Windows user can't be bothered with or doesn't know
> > > about vector graphics,...
> > i would make sure that whoever takes it over, if it's going to be a
> > Windows user, takes over a copy of Xara as well. about time to
> > introduce somebody in the Windows world to vector graphics.
> Why are they refered to these days as 'vector graphics'?
Dunno. Maybe a pure mathematician is reponsible for that.
IIRC when I did courses on 'vector spaces' in pure maths as an undergrad
the term 'vector' didn't mean what I'd expected from A-level physics, etc.
The meaning is more general. In those terms, a 'vector' can have values for
something like 'diameter' as well as a linear cartesian set like XY for
'location'.
So in that more general sense I assume you can use a 'vector' (associated
set of values) to define things like an object's location *and* its 'type'
and various attributes like the diameter of a circle. That then leads to
transforms that change attributes when other values are changed. e.g. when
doing perspective projections onto planes, etc.
When doing this I assume the maths can be treated as vector computations,
so the term could have come from mathematicians who applied these to
manipulations of 'object based' graphics.
No doubt a pure mathematician will now come along to correct the above.
:-)
Slainte,
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Russell Hafter News
<no...@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <50c02f04...@walkingingermany.invalid>,
> Russell Hafter News <see...@walkingingermany.invalid>
> wrote:
> > In article <e88cfbb...@nails.ukonline.co.uk>, Jim
> > Nagel <jimn...@abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:
> > > M Harding wrote on 25 Nov :
> > > > ... I'd like to make available any graphics I've
> > > > collected over the decades in Draw format, for
> > > > potential use by someone taking on the parish mag
> > > > with Windows DTP. To which [a certain person]
> > > > replied that the average Windows user can't be
> > > > bothered with or doesn't know about vector
> > > > graphics,...
> > > i would make sure that whoever takes it over, if it's
> > > going to be a Windows user, takes over a copy of Xara
> > > as well. about time to introduce somebody in the
> > > Windows world to vector graphics.
> > Why are they refered to these days as 'vector graphics'?
> Dunno. Maybe a pure mathematician is reponsible for that.
> IIRC when I did courses on 'vector spaces' in pure maths
> as an undergrad the term 'vector' didn't mean what I'd
> expected from A-level physics, etc.
Yes, well.
I never did expect maths to either make sense or be
comprehensible to real people like you and me.
;-)
Quantum theory is weird enough.
Alan Calder
M Harding <ris...@mdharding.org.uk> wrote:
> In article <50bfc07ef...@uwclub.net>,
> Richard Travers <rich...@uwclub.net> wrote:
> > In article <50bfbdb4...@mdharding.org.uk>,
[Snip]
> > Xara will read Draw files directly (give them a /drw extension)
> > and can then export them in a wide variety of formats.
> Can't seem to get that to work. The version I have is Xara XS, which
> came "free" with a computer mag ages ago. (And which Ray would give
> his eye teeth for, if I remember correctly!) There just appears a
> blank frame.
You have Artworks. Have you tried giving it an Artworks file (don't know
the extension needed) or an exported /EPS file, either Artworks or
CorelDraw?
Cheers
Alan
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Joyce Haslam
> Richard Travers <rich...@uwclub.net> wrote:
>> Xara will read Draw files directly (give them a /drw extension) and
>> can then export them in a wide variety of formats.
>
> I've since received some more advice about this. It seems that XaraXS
> accepts a Drawfile directly, but not with .drw wxtension. If you change
> its extension to .aff (not to .aad as it comes over via ShareFS) yes,
> I tried it and it does work.
>
> However, the same person who supplied that advice asked why I wanted to
> do it anyway? My reason is that I'd like to make available any graphics
> I've collected over the decades in Draw format, for potential use by
> someone taking on the parish mag with Windows DTP.
>
> To which they replied that the average Windows user can't be bothered
> with or doesn't know about vector graphics, so offer them as bitmap
> files, maybe via .pdf format. So I presumably combine this idea with
> that of John Williams (Missing font/Impression thread) - to avoid
> saw-tooth edges by scaling them up first before converting to bitmap.
Supplying the draw files as bitmaps does seem to me to be a good idea,
though I don't see the advantage of pdf files for them; wouldn't bmp
be best?
I've started learning the Gimp and Inkscape on Ubuntu Linux. Inkscape has
a trace function (which I haven't tried yet). Scaling the Draw files up
considerably, saving them as bitmaps (sprites -> bmps, maybe that is
sprite -> png -> bmp ?) and then tracing them in Inkscape should produce
svg files (which could be fancied up in Inkscape or Gimp).
I'd be glad to try this process out on a drawfile or three; at best I
would learn more about these new apps while providing graphics for the
parish magazine's potential new editor.
The email in the reply-to is valid.
Joyce.
Ollie Clark
>
> I've started learning the Gimp and Inkscape on Ubuntu Linux. Inkscape has
> a trace function (which I haven't tried yet). Scaling the Draw files up
> considerably, saving them as bitmaps (sprites -> bmps, maybe that is
> sprite -> png -> bmp ?) and then tracing them in Inkscape should produce
> svg files (which could be fancied up in Inkscape or Gimp).
No need for all this palaver. Save as an SVG direct from Draw and then
load in Inkscape (or GIMP). Job done.
Cheers,
Ollie
David Holden
On 1-Dec-2009, Ollie Clark <use...@ollieclark.com> wrote:
> No need for all this palaver. Save as an SVG direct from Draw
ISTR I said that ages ago (pointing ot that DrawWorks XL can do this if
using an older version of Draw) and it was ignored. I wonder if you'll have
any more luck? :-)
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Steve Fryatt
<z5OdneOgQID_9InW...@bt.com>:
> Supplying the draw files as bitmaps does seem to me to be a good idea,
> though I don't see the advantage of pdf files for them; wouldn't bmp be
> best?
>
> I've started learning the Gimp and Inkscape on Ubuntu Linux. Inkscape has
> a trace function (which I haven't tried yet). Scaling the Draw files up
> considerably, saving them as bitmaps (sprites -> bmps, maybe that is
> sprite -> png -> bmp ?) and then tracing them in Inkscape should produce
> svg files (which could be fancied up in Inkscape or Gimp).
Wouldn't it be better to create PDFs from Draw or ArtWorks 2, then import
those direct into Inkscape? That way, you retain the vector format
throughout.
Martin Wuerthner
Ollie Clark <use...@ollieclark.com> wrote:
Yes, that is easy enough (as an aside, ArtWorks 2 would do the job as
well). Unfortunately, as has been mentioned before, the average PC
user could not really use an SVG file to the purpose we are discussing
here, which is to embed it as clipart in some other document. You
cannot drop SVG files into a Word document, and the same goes for PDF
files.
Martin
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Alan Calder <alan_...@o2.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <50bfcb51...@mdharding.org.uk>,
> M Harding <ris...@mdharding.org.uk> wrote:
>> In article <50bfc07ef...@uwclub.net>,
>> Richard Travers <rich...@uwclub.net> wrote:
>>> In article <50bfbdb4...@mdharding.org.uk>,
>>> Xara will read Draw files directly (give them a /drw extension)
>>> and can then export them in a wide variety of formats.
>> Can't seem to get that to work. The version I have is Xara XS, which
>> came "free" with a computer mag ages ago. (And which Ray would give
>> his eye teeth for, if I remember correctly!) There just appears a
>> blank frame.
I think Draw import should work in that version. Are you sure there
were any paths in the Draw file? Those are the only objects that are
imported.
> You have Artworks. Have you tried giving it an Artworks file (don't know
> the extension needed)
There is no extension because there is no piece of software that can
do anything with a native ArtWorks file, not even Xara Xtreme.
> or an exported /EPS file, either Artworks or CorelDraw?
In theory, Xtreme can read ArtWorks EPS, but that is not very
reliable. You may be better off using some other format, e.g., Corel
or Illustrator EPS. With current versions of ArtWorks and Xtreme using
PDF as an interchange format gives close to perfect results.
Martin Wuerthner
Richard Travers <rich...@uwclub.net> wrote:
> In article <50bfcb51...@mdharding.org.uk>,
> M Harding <ris...@mdharding.org.uk> wrote:
>> In article <50bfc07ef...@uwclub.net>,
>> Richard Travers <rich...@uwclub.net> wrote:
>>> Xara will read Draw files directly (give them a /drw extension)
>>> and can then export them in a wide variety of formats.
>> Can't seem to get that to work. The version I have is Xara XS, which
>> came "free" with a computer mag ages ago. (And which Ray would give
>> his eye teeth for, if I remember correctly!) There just appears a
>> blank frame.
> Maybe it's only later (and Xtreme) versions.
Draw import was in the very first release of Xara Studio. As far as I
can see it is also enabled in Xara XS.
Ollie Clark
>
> On 1-Dec-2009, Ollie Clark <use...@ollieclark.com> wrote:
>
>> No need for all this palaver. Save as an SVG direct from Draw
>
> ISTR I said that ages ago (pointing ot that DrawWorks XL can do this if
> using an older version of Draw) and it was ignored. I wonder if you'll have
> any more luck? :-)
I doubt it. ISTR mentioning about a week ago as well. :-)
Why save directly as an SVG when you can scale up, export as a sprite,
convert to a bit map, import into Inkscape, trace the bitmap and then
export as an SVG instead?
Cheers,
Ollie
Ollie Clark
> In message <slrnhh9ts7...@greedy.zen175545>
> Ollie Clark <use...@ollieclark.com> wrote:
>
>> Joyce Haslam wrote:
>>>
>>> I've started learning the Gimp and Inkscape on Ubuntu Linux. Inkscape has
>>> a trace function (which I haven't tried yet). Scaling the Draw files up
>>> considerably, saving them as bitmaps (sprites -> bmps, maybe that is
>>> sprite -> png -> bmp ?) and then tracing them in Inkscape should produce
>>> svg files (which could be fancied up in Inkscape or Gimp).
>
>> No need for all this palaver. Save as an SVG direct from Draw and then
>> load in Inkscape (or GIMP). Job done.
>
> Yes, that is easy enough (as an aside, ArtWorks 2 would do the job as
> well). Unfortunately, as has been mentioned before, the average PC
> user could not really use an SVG file to the purpose we are discussing
> here, which is to embed it as clipart in some other document. You
> cannot drop SVG files into a Word document, and the same goes for PDF
> files.
So you load the SVG into Inkscape and export in whatever format you
want.
The post I responded to was discussing using Inkscape to convert a
bitmap created from a drawfile into an SVG to then presumably export
as something Word can use. That is crazy.
Cheers,
Ollie
Dave Symes
David Holden <Spa...@apdl.co.uk> wrote:
> On 1-Dec-2009, Ollie Clark <use...@ollieclark.com> wrote:
> > No need for all this palaver. Save as an SVG direct from Draw
> ISTR I said that ages ago (pointing ot that DrawWorks XL can do this if
> using an older version of Draw) and it was ignored. I wonder if you'll
> have any more luck? :-)
Pleeze Mister can I arsk a question about DrawWorks XL?
If I have a foreign file I want to import in to DWXL, say a simple .wmf
file, it is filetyped correctly &b2f.
I open the Foreign file import window (DrawWorks file importer)but the
moment I touch the wmf not only does the File importer window vanish, but
so does the complete DW XL toolbar set.
The same thing happens with both .png and .bmp
So please...
1) How exactly do you get stuff imported if the import window keeps
vanishing?
2) Why is it vanishing?
Dave
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Steve Fryatt
<slrnhhajf7...@greedy.zen175545>:
> The post I responded to was discussing using Inkscape to convert a bitmap
> created from a drawfile into an SVG to then presumably export as something
> Word can use. That is crazy.
It is; as I've said elsewhere, if you do find a vector package on RISC OS
that can't do SVG, print to a PDF and import that into Inkscape instead.
FWIW, I routinely create line drawings in Inkscape and transfer them into
Word using WMF format for use in specification documents at work. It's fine
for the "CAD type" drawings (line drawings with limited artistic content),
but there are limitations (lack of curves, arrowheads, etc).
I'd imagine that SVG -> Inkscape -> WMF or whatever would work just as well
for similar stuff. Certainly "ANOther Windows Package that does Vector
Graphics" -> PDF -> Inkscape -> WMF -> Word works fine for things like
snippets of circuit schematics (and is a lot quicker to do than it is to
explain).
Rob Kendrick
Steve Fryatt <ne...@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
> I'd imagine that SVG -> Inkscape -> WMF or whatever would work just
> as well for similar stuff. Certainly "ANOther Windows Package that
> does Vector Graphics" -> PDF -> Inkscape -> WMF -> Word works fine
> for things like snippets of circuit schematics (and is a lot quicker
> to do than it is to explain).
Also, most of Inkscape's import and export functionality is available
via the command line, making it easy to automate this kind of thing.
B.