Drag 'n Drop issue 1, October 2009, is now online and available for download (http://www.dragdrop.co.uk)
Editor (Drag 'n Drop)
posting not yet appeared).
Drag 'n Drop issue 1, October 2009, is now online and available for
download (http://www.dragdrop.co.uk).
Issue 1 features: -
News
Reviews
Mini how-tos
8-bit articles - Robert Sprowson explains how to repair your BBC Micro
PSU
First of a 2 part article about Retro Software
Dave Stratford writes about different sorting techniques (2 articles
in this issue, both have previously appeared in RISC OS NOW, Dave
will continue his series with new and unpublished articles in the next
issue)
John Ward writes about his desktop for Desktop Heroes
Acorn World, the pictures
BeagleBoard
Mike Carter begins his regular series on Draw
RISC OS London show guide, and news of application updates from RComp
along with adverts from the main players in the RISC OS market today.
Visit http://www.dragdrop.co.uk to download your sample copy. The
full copy is only £2.30 and can be purchased on-line. Note: You must
use Firefox on RISC OS to complete your purchase. All other RISC OS
browsers appear to fall-over at PayPal!
When you have completed your purchase, you have the option of
downloading it straight away, or alternatively you can use the link
provided in the confirmation email. This link is usable from any
browser.
Come along and see me at the RISC OS London Show. Be happy to hear
your comments.
--
Paul Stewart
Editor
Drag 'n Drop
Alan Griffin
<95765e70-e59c-4be5...@k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
Editor (Drag 'n Drop) <edi...@dragdrop.co.uk> wrote:
> Visit http://www.dragdrop.co.uk to download your sample copy. The
> full copy is only �2.30 and can be purchased on-line. Note: You must
> use Firefox on RISC OS to complete your purchase. All other RISC OS
> browsers appear to fall-over at PayPal!
It worked fine with Fresco!
Alan Griffin
Dr Peter Young
> (Copy of posting to CSA Announce. Posting in here as yesterdays
> posting not yet appeared).
> Drag 'n Drop issue 1, October 2009, is now online and available for
> download (http://www.dragdrop.co.uk).
Pity RiScript doesn't like the sample version; page 2 throws up
errors, but renders and page 3 stiffs this Iyo totally, needing the
reset button. Works with !PDF, though, and I'll pay for and try the
full version.
With best wishes,
Peter.
--
Peter, \ / zfc Yb \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52
Anne \/ __ __ \ England.
and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk
family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pny...@ormail.co.uk
Editor (Drag 'n Drop)
> In article
> <95765e70-e59c-4be5-919e-02103ab7c...@k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,> > Visithttp://www.dragdrop.co.ukto download your sample copy. The
> > full copy is only £2.30 and can be purchased on-line. Note: You must
> > use Firefox on RISC OS to complete your purchase. All other RISC OS
> > browsers appear to fall-over at PayPal!
>
> It worked fine with Fresco!
When I tried it yesterday evening, all Fresco did was generate a Type
5 error when getting to the PayPal page.
--
Paul Stewart
Editor
Drag 'n Drop (http://www.dragdrop.co.uk)
The PDF magazine for RISC OS users
Brian Howlett
> Pity RiScript doesn't like the sample version; page 2 throws up
> errors, but renders and page 3 stiffs this Iyo totally, needing the
> reset button. Works with !PDF, though, and I'll pay for and try the
> full version.
Same here, although the error on page 2 prevented all the text in the
R-Comp advert from appearing, and like you, I had to resort to the
reset button once I reached the third page.
Using !PDF displayed everything, but the colours do not display well.
As to content, the snippets of articles look useful, but the editorial
made my hackles rise - I don't like the use of "tho" for example...
--
Brian Howlett - Email to From: address deleted unseen
-----------------------------------------------------
Watch out...
...you might get what you're after...
John Williams (News)
Brian Howlett <news-s...@brianhowlett.me.uk> wrote:
> Using !PDF displayed everything, but the colours do not display well.
Much, much better in GView, the Ghostscript reader.
> As to content, the snippets of articles look useful, but the editorial
> made my hackles rise - I don't like the use of "tho" for example...
Nor me ...
John
--
John Williams, Brittany, Northern France - no attachments to these addresses!
Non-RISC OS posters change user to johnrwilliams or put 'risc' in subject!
Who is John Williams? http://petit.four.free.fr/picindex/author/ Somewhere nice to stay in Brittany? http://petit.four.free.fr/visitors/locate
Editor (Drag 'n Drop)
wrote:
> In article <39eceaa350.Br...@bhowlett.adsl24.co.uk>,
> Brian Howlett <news-spamt...@brianhowlett.me.uk> wrote:
>
> > Using !PDF displayed everything, but the colours do not display well.
>
> Much, much better in GView, the Ghostscript reader.
I had many problems with getting the R-Comp advert to display
correctly. In the end I opted for a version that did not display too
well in !PDF, but looked fine GView and Acrobat Reader.
> > As to content, the snippets of articles look useful, but the editorial
> > made my hackles rise - I don't like the use of "tho" for example...
I didn't realise people hated the word "tho" so much!
--
Paul Stewart
Editor
Rob Kendrick
"Editor (Drag 'n Drop)" <edi...@dragdrop.co.uk> wrote:
> > > As to content, the snippets of articles look useful, but the
> > > editorial made my hackles rise - I don't like the use of "tho"
> > > for example...
>
> I didn't realise people hated the word "tho" so much!
Not to mention the unit abuse, which I've seen so many examples of
today it's made my blood boil. (Mb vs MB, etc. There's a factor of 8
difference between them!)
B.
John Williams (News)
<c7dfd253-3305-4f0b...@a21g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
Editor (Drag 'n Drop) <edi...@dragdrop.co.uk> wrote:
> I didn't realise people hated the word "tho" so much!
The word is "though"; "tho'" is an informally acceptable alternative under
some circumstances, but without the trailing apostrophe it isn't a word at
all!
Mark you, there are other "editors" who don't know how to do capitals
despite not being cockroaches.
Editor (Drag 'n Drop)
wrote:
> In article
> <c7dfd253-3305-4f0b-9126-b17f944ab...@a21g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
> Editor (Drag 'n Drop) <edi...@dragdrop.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > I didn't realise people hated the word "tho" so much!
>
> The word is "though"; "tho'" is an informally acceptable alternative under
> some circumstances, but without the trailing apostrophe it isn't a word at
> all!
I will try and not make the same mistake again with "tho" again.
Xavier
wrote:
> On Oct 2, 3:48 pm, "John Williams (News)" <UCE...@tiscali.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> > In article
> > <c7dfd253-3305-4f0b-9126-b17f944ab...@a21g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
> > Editor (Drag 'n Drop) <edi...@dragdrop.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > I didn't realise people hated the word "tho" so much!
>
> > The word is "though"; "tho'" is an informally acceptable alternative under
> > some circumstances, but without the trailing apostrophe it isn't a word at
> > all!
>
> I will try and not make the same mistake again with "tho" again.
>
> --
> Paul Stewart
> Editor
> Drag 'n Drop (http://www.dragdrop.co.uk)
> The PDF magazine for RISC OS users
It makes me think of Homer discovering there's no bud left in the
fridge ;-)
Richard Travers
> <c7dfd253-3305-4f0b...@a21g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
> Editor (Drag 'n Drop) <edi...@dragdrop.co.uk> wrote:
> > I didn't realise people hated the word "tho" so much!
> The word is "though"; "tho'" is an informally acceptable alternative under
> some circumstances, but without the trailing apostrophe it isn't a word at
> all!
Sorry, John, but my dictionary gives both tho and tho' as alternative
spellings of though, so the use of tho is quite legitimate if a little
unusual (usually found either in poetry or in the US).
R
--
Richard Travers
rich...@uwclub.net
Ben Shimmin
`tho', with or without an apostrophe, should never be used in any sort
of formal writing (such as, for example, an article in a magazine); I
would contend that `tho' without an apostrophe is not a word at all,
but perhaps in America, home of the drive-thru, things are different.
b.
--
<b...@bas.me.uk> <URL:http://bas.me.uk/>
`...the Plain English Campaign [...] says some officials only use Latin to
make themselves feel important. A Campaign spokesman said the ban might
stop people confusing the Latin abbreviation e.g. with the word "egg".'
Tim Hill
<rich...@uwclub.net> wrote:
[Snip]
> my dictionary gives both tho and tho' as alternative
> spellings of though, so the use of tho is quite legitimate if a little
> unusual (usually found either in poetry or in the US).
Any dictionary simply reflects common use and misuse. It doesn't make any
word wrong, correct or better than alternatives. In British English where
we normally write "though" I would have thought "tho'" would require an
apostrophe. YMMV. You have to cater for your own audience.
Oddly enough I wasn't that bothered by use of the word "tho" but I
wouldn't have repeated it in one paragraph or have used contractions in
an Editorial. But I would have called the mag "Drag 'n' Drop", so what do
I know? ;-)
The demo looks good - albeit making GView essential.
Tim Hill
wrote:
> so what do I know? ;-)
If editor I would have eradicated the entirely superfluous word 'got'
from every article too.
--
Tim Hill
--------
tjrh.eu
... "Women may fall when there's no strength in men" Rom & Jul, Act ii, Sc.3
Ray Dawson
> Richard Travers <rich...@uwclub.net>:
> > In article <50a3f8bb...@tiscali.co.uk>,
> > John Williams (News) <UCE...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <c7dfd253-3305-4f0b...@a21g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
> >> Editor (Drag 'n Drop) <edi...@dragdrop.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > I didn't realise people hated the word "tho" so much!
> >
> > > The word is "though"; "tho'" is an informally acceptable alternative
> > > under some circumstances, but without the trailing apostrophe it isn't
> > > a word at all!
> >
> > Sorry, John, but my dictionary gives both tho and tho' as alternative
> > spellings of though, so the use of tho is quite legitimate if a little
> > unusual (usually found either in poetry or in the US).
>
> `tho', with or without an apostrophe, should never be used in any sort of
> formal writing (such as, for example, an article in a magazine); I would
> contend that `tho' without an apostrophe is not a word at all, but perhaps
> in America, home of the drive-thru, things are different.
Tho is a Tai language ;-)
Cheers,
Ray D
DigitalTalk
wrote:
> (Copy of posting to CSA Announce. Posting in here as yesterdays
> posting not yet appeared).
>
> Drag 'n Drop issue 1, October 2009, is now online and available for
> download (http://www.dragdrop.co.uk).
[snip]
> Come along and see me at the RISC OS London Show. Be happy to hear
> your comments.
The example file has 1,3 MB (for you: 1.3 MB ;-). Something I feared
because that's a lot - too much for me to download and to read on a
RiscPC (56 kbit here).
Thanks.
Alex'
Richard Travers
Ben Shimmin <b...@llamaselector.com> wrote:
> I would contend that `tho' without an apostrophe is not a word at all,
I'm sorry, Ben, but your contention holds little weight against the might of
both the Collins and the Chambers dictionaries (I haven't checked the
Oxford). Both give tho (without an apostrophe) as an alternative to though
(US and poetic).
I'm NOT contending that it is appropriate for a UK magazine editorial (it is
not - note it is US or poetic), but I AM contesting John's (and now your)
statement that it is not a word at all. It is and is documented as such.
If you wish to argue about it, then take it up with the dictionary
compilers.
Ben Shimmin
> In article <slrnhcemc...@rialto.bas.me.uk>,
> Ben Shimmin <b...@llamaselector.com> wrote:
>> I would contend that `tho' without an apostrophe is not a word at all,
>
> I'm sorry, Ben,
No need to apologise!
> but your contention holds little weight against the might of
> both the Collins and the Chambers dictionaries (I haven't checked the
> Oxford). Both give tho (without an apostrophe) as an alternative to though
> (US and poetic).
Just because Chaucer and some illiterate Americans happen to use it
doesn't really make it a word in the conventional sense.
Next you'll be telling me `rofl' is a word because you can find it in
comments on YouTube videos and on the mighty Urbandictionary.com...
Doug Webb
Ben Shimmin <b...@llamaselector.com> wrote:
> Just because Chaucer and some illiterate Americans happen to use it
> doesn't really make it a word in the conventional sense.
> Next you'll be telling me `rofl' is a word because you can find it in
> comments on YouTube videos and on the mighty Urbandictionary.com...
> b.
Well it might not be just at this moment but give it time and no doubt
it may make it in to the "official" language.
Thats the great thing about language it evolves and changes or it dies
out.
Anyway back on topic, Drag 'n Drop was a good read but unless I want
to print it out and spend money on doing so it can't be read easily if
you only have a desktop machine.
I'll just have to wait for Keith Dunlop to come up with a shrink wrap
for the beagleboard and some sticky tape for screen or perhaps Paul
should look to see if he can produce it in a ebook format for reading
on a Kindle or Sony device until we get a RISC OS hand held device.
Doug
--
Using an IYONIX pc and RISC OS 5.14, the thinking person's alternative
operating system to Microsoft Windows.
Ollie Clark
>
> Just because Chaucer and some illiterate Americans happen to use it
> doesn't really make it a word in the conventional sense.
OED:
tho' (also tho) conjunction and adverb informal spelling of THOUGH
No mention of americans or poetry but informal language isn't suitable
for a magazine. Anyone arguing it isn't a word at all is setting themself
up as a greater authority on the English language than the OED.
Followups set to alt.possessive.its.has.no.apostrophe for anyone who
wants to argue the toss.
Rhetorical question: Is there really so little of interest going on
in the RISC OS world that someone goes away for three months and when
they come back the newsgroups are mainly full of people arguing about
survey technique and whether "tho" is a word?
dgs.rougol
...
> Rhetorical question: Is there really so little of interest going on
> in the RISC OS world that someone goes away for three months and when
> they come back the newsgroups are mainly full of people arguing about
> survey technique and whether "tho" is a word?
Feel free to look through the postings in this group from, say, ten
years
ago (when there were supposedly "things of interest" going on), and
decide if they were more on topic and less argumentative than
now. I am guessing not!
Discussion of a new RISC OS magazine and how widespread usage of
different types of RISC OS machines is, is entirely on topic. There's
nothing new in thread drift onto "related topics", and in fact the
vocabulary used by the magazine is still entirely on topic, just as
much as opinions on the editor's taste in colour schemes would be.
dgs
Paul Stewart
ps.com>
"dgs.rougol" <dgs.r...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> just as
> much as opinions on the editor's taste in colour schemes would be.
As long as the discussion was related to the colour schemes used in
the magazine, and not anywhere else!
Regards
--
Paul Stewart - Far Bletchley, Milton Keynes, England.
(msn:pauls...@phawfaux.co.uk)
Paul Stewart
"John Williams (News)" <UCE...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> The word is "though"; "tho'" is an informally acceptable alternative under
> some circumstances, but without the trailing apostrophe it isn't a word at
> all!
According to the Longman Guide to English Usage(1991), tho, without a
trailing apostrophe is a word that is either informal or poetic.
Considering it was written in the editorial, which is an informal part
of the magazine, I would suggest tho in the context used is quite
acceptable.
Jim Nagel
> ... tho, without a
> trailing apostrophe, is a word that is either informal or poetic.
> Considering it was written in the editorial, which is an informal part
> of the magazine, I would suggest tho in the context used is quite
> acceptable.
tho it's now tradition (i can say as a fellow informal or poet) that a
new editor's first editorial should rouse the rabble not so much by
what it says as by its style. ;=}
--
Jim Nagel [ www.archivemag.co.uk > Offer ]