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Alexander Ausserstorfer
Apr 19, 2012, 1:36:38 AM4/19/12
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Hi,
yesterday I experienced with RiscEmu. Could'nt get the hard disc
working with RISC OS 5.18. It works with RISC OS 4.39, but I had to
format the disc using !HForm from RISC OS 3.anything. The newer
version of !HForm from RISC OS 4.39 didn't worked. Also, I couldn't
install the !Boot-application succesfully. RISC OS always asks for any
parts of RISC OS 430 which seems to be missing. I tried several times
to overtake my running !Boot from a RiscPC and also a plain re-
install.
Any hints are welcome.
Alex'
http://home.chiemgau-net.de/ausserstorfer/
yesterday I experienced with RiscEmu. Could'nt get the hard disc
working with RISC OS 5.18. It works with RISC OS 4.39, but I had to
format the disc using !HForm from RISC OS 3.anything. The newer
version of !HForm from RISC OS 4.39 didn't worked. Also, I couldn't
install the !Boot-application succesfully. RISC OS always asks for any
parts of RISC OS 430 which seems to be missing. I tried several times
to overtake my running !Boot from a RiscPC and also a plain re-
install.
Any hints are welcome.
Alex'
http://home.chiemgau-net.de/ausserstorfer/
spampling
Apr 19, 2012, 2:53:28 AM4/19/12
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In article
<f4101522-d0a4-40f5...@j3g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
If you specify the underlying OS it may help. I have had 5.18 and the
matching HardDisc and Boot elements running on XP and currently have 5.19
and matching elements running on XP.
Also fiddling with QEMU on Ubuntu to try and get that running a Beagle
emulation with RO5.x (fails to recognise the image as a boot device)
--
Steve Pampling
<f4101522-d0a4-40f5...@j3g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
matching HardDisc and Boot elements running on XP and currently have 5.19
and matching elements running on XP.
Also fiddling with QEMU on Ubuntu to try and get that running a Beagle
emulation with RO5.x (fails to recognise the image as a boot device)
--
Steve Pampling
Alexander Ausserstorfer
Apr 25, 2012, 2:52:27 AM4/25/12
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On 19 Apr., 08:53, spampling <spam.pl...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > yesterday I experienced with RiscEmu. Could'nt get the hard disc
> > working with RISC OS 5.18. It works with RISC OS 4.39, but I had to
> > format the disc using !HForm from RISC OS 3.anything. The newer
> > version of !HForm from RISC OS 4.39 didn't worked. Also, I couldn't
> > install the !Boot-application succesfully. RISC OS always asks for any
> > parts of RISC OS 430 which seems to be missing. I tried several times
> > to overtake my running !Boot from a RiscPC and also a plain re-
> > install.
> > yesterday I experienced with RiscEmu. Could'nt get the hard disc
> > working with RISC OS 5.18. It works with RISC OS 4.39, but I had to
> > format the disc using !HForm from RISC OS 3.anything. The newer
> > version of !HForm from RISC OS 4.39 didn't worked. Also, I couldn't
> > install the !Boot-application succesfully. RISC OS always asks for any
> > parts of RISC OS 430 which seems to be missing. I tried several times
> > to overtake my running !Boot from a RiscPC and also a plain re-
> > install.
> If you specify the underlying OS it may help. I have had 5.18 and the
> matching HardDisc and Boot elements running on XP and currently have 5.19
> and matching elements running on XP.
The underlying OS is Windoof 7 of course.
> matching HardDisc and Boot elements running on XP and currently have 5.19
> and matching elements running on XP.
O. T. For those who doesn't understand German: doof means blöd, and I
surely mean MS Windows what we're often calling Windoof.
A.
http://home.chiemgau-net.de/ausserstorfer/
cfe...@freeremoveuk.com.invalid
Apr 25, 2012, 4:42:23 AM4/25/12
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In message
<db109a9c-49ba-49b5...@n22g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>
be easier to use 'HostFS'?
--
Colin Ferris Cornwall UK
<db109a9c-49ba-49b5...@n22g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>
Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavari...@chiemgau-net.de> wrote:
> On 19 Apr., 08:53, spampling <spam.pl...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> > > yesterday I experienced with RiscEmu. Could'nt get the hard disc
> > > working with RISC OS 5.18. It works with RISC OS 4.39,
[snip]
> On 19 Apr., 08:53, spampling <spam.pl...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> > > yesterday I experienced with RiscEmu. Could'nt get the hard disc
> > > working with RISC OS 5.18. It works with RISC OS 4.39,
>
> The underlying OS is Windoof 7 of course.
Unless you have a reason for using the HardDisc image file - wouldn't it
> The underlying OS is Windoof 7 of course.
be easier to use 'HostFS'?
--
Colin Ferris Cornwall UK
Tony Moore
Apr 25, 2012, 7:15:43 AM4/25/12
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On 19 Apr 2012, spampling <spam....@btinternet.com> wrote:
[snip]
> If you specify the underlying OS it may help. I have had 5.18 and the
> matching HardDisc and Boot elements running on XP and currently have
> 5.19 and matching elements running on XP.
Steve, to clarify, are you saying that RPCEmu 0.8.9 / RO 5.18 / RO 5.19
now support hd4.hdf disc images?
Here, using Win7hp32b/RPCEmu089/RO519(17-Apr-12), Settings > CD-ROM is
disabled but Configure... > Discs does not have an entry for ADFS hard
discs, so there is no way to configure HD4.
Perhaps I've missed something?
Tony
[snip]
> If you specify the underlying OS it may help. I have had 5.18 and the
> matching HardDisc and Boot elements running on XP and currently have
> 5.19 and matching elements running on XP.
now support hd4.hdf disc images?
Here, using Win7hp32b/RPCEmu089/RO519(17-Apr-12), Settings > CD-ROM is
disabled but Configure... > Discs does not have an entry for ADFS hard
discs, so there is no way to configure HD4.
Perhaps I've missed something?
Tony
Alexander Ausserstorfer
Apr 26, 2012, 1:30:05 AM4/26/12
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On 25 Apr., 10:42, cfer...@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid wrote:
> In message
> <db109a9c-49ba-49b5-a1d6-078703728...@n22g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>
too. It appears the same error as it is the case with the harddisc:
"Resources for RISC OS 430 couldn't be founded. Reinstall !Boot."*
The last doesn't work. It was always a plain (or new) installation of !
Boot I tried.
A.
* PS: I wrote the message out of my brain - just haven't it here yet.
http://home.chiemgau-net.de/ausserstorfer/
> In message
> <db109a9c-49ba-49b5-a1d6-078703728...@n22g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>
> Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavariaso...@chiemgau-net.de> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 19 Apr., 08:53, spampling <spam.pl...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> > > > yesterday I experienced with RiscEmu. Could'nt get the hard disc
> > > > working with RISC OS 5.18. It works with RISC OS 4.39,
> [snip]
>
> > The underlying OS is Windoof 7 of course.
>
> Unless you have a reason for using the HardDisc image file - wouldn't it
> be easier to use 'HostFS'?
To clarifiy: With HostFS and RISC OS 4.39, !Boot doesn't work there,
>
>
>
> > On 19 Apr., 08:53, spampling <spam.pl...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> > > > yesterday I experienced with RiscEmu. Could'nt get the hard disc
> > > > working with RISC OS 5.18. It works with RISC OS 4.39,
> [snip]
>
> > The underlying OS is Windoof 7 of course.
>
> Unless you have a reason for using the HardDisc image file - wouldn't it
> be easier to use 'HostFS'?
too. It appears the same error as it is the case with the harddisc:
"Resources for RISC OS 430 couldn't be founded. Reinstall !Boot."*
The last doesn't work. It was always a plain (or new) installation of !
Boot I tried.
A.
* PS: I wrote the message out of my brain - just haven't it here yet.
http://home.chiemgau-net.de/ausserstorfer/
spampling
Apr 26, 2012, 2:58:36 AM4/26/12
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In article <5ab1eb8552.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>, Tony Moore
No I did.
I initially did the install as an earlier build from end to end and then
took things through to the current 5.19 which was done with the January
build and associated files derived from rob heatons file set, rather than
the current set on the site which hangs during the !Boot sequence.(I think
that is something in !Tasks)
However, having started with the HD4 setup I transferred to a HostFS
install for convenience of dipping into things from the native OS if
anything caused a hang in the Boot so I hadn't noticed the loss of HD4
functionality.
In short - a test build using the 5.19 January files does work on HostFS on
either XP or Ubuntu. The latter can have problems if you don't ensure that
the HostFS tree is all owned by the running user e.g. change to the HostFS
directory in a root terminal session and "chown -R steve:steve . " which
causes the files in the current directory, and all sub-directories to be
owned by "steve"
There may be a similar issue with W7 and file permissions. If it hangs in
the boot it may be the broken item in the !Boot, in which case renaming
!Boot to Boot will stop the hang and the !Boot structure can be replaced
with a known good (January 17th build)
--
Steve Pampling
I initially did the install as an earlier build from end to end and then
took things through to the current 5.19 which was done with the January
build and associated files derived from rob heatons file set, rather than
the current set on the site which hangs during the !Boot sequence.(I think
that is something in !Tasks)
However, having started with the HD4 setup I transferred to a HostFS
install for convenience of dipping into things from the native OS if
anything caused a hang in the Boot so I hadn't noticed the loss of HD4
functionality.
In short - a test build using the 5.19 January files does work on HostFS on
either XP or Ubuntu. The latter can have problems if you don't ensure that
the HostFS tree is all owned by the running user e.g. change to the HostFS
directory in a root terminal session and "chown -R steve:steve . " which
causes the files in the current directory, and all sub-directories to be
owned by "steve"
There may be a similar issue with W7 and file permissions. If it hangs in
the boot it may be the broken item in the !Boot, in which case renaming
!Boot to Boot will stop the hang and the !Boot structure can be replaced
with a known good (January 17th build)
--
Steve Pampling
Tony Moore
Apr 26, 2012, 6:58:15 AM4/26/12
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On 26 Apr 2012, spampling <spam....@btinternet.com> wrote:
> In article <5ab1eb8552.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>, Tony
> Moore <old_c...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
[snip]
> In article <5ab1eb8552.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>, Tony
> Moore <old_c...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > Steve, to clarify, are you saying that RPCEmu 0.8.9 / RO 5.18 / RO
> > 5.19 now support hd4.hdf disc images?
>
> > Here, using Win7hp32b/RPCEmu089/RO519(17-Apr-12), Settings > CD-ROM
> > is disabled but Configure... > Discs does not have an entry for ADFS
> > hard discs, so there is no way to configure HD4.
>
> > Perhaps I've missed something?
>
> No I did.
>
> I initially did the install as an earlier build from end to end and
> then took things through to the current 5.19 which was done with the
> January build and associated files derived from rob heatons file set,
> rather than the current set on the site which hangs during the !Boot
> sequence.(I think that is something in !Tasks)
>
> However, having started with the HD4 setup I transferred to a HostFS
> install for convenience of dipping into things from the native OS if
> anything caused a hang in the Boot so I hadn't noticed the loss of HD4
> functionality.
was unable to configure HD4. As you say, Rob Heaton's file set may well
be different.
> In short - a test build using the 5.19 January files does work on
> HostFS on either XP or Ubuntu. The latter can have problems if you
> don't ensure that the HostFS tree is all owned by the running user
> e.g. change to the HostFS directory in a root terminal session and
> "chown -R steve:steve . " which causes the files in the current
> directory, and all sub-directories to be owned by "steve"
>
> There may be a similar issue with W7 and file permissions. If it hangs
> in the boot it may be the broken item in the !Boot, in which case
> renaming !Boot to Boot will stop the hang and the !Boot structure can
> be replaced with a known good (January 17th build)
(17-Apr-12) runs correctly. It is still not possible to configure HD4,
but that is not really a problem, because HostFS works perfectly well.
Tony
Tony Moore
Apr 26, 2012, 7:41:57 AM4/26/12
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On 26 Apr 2012, Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavari...@chiemgau-net.de>
wrote:
(presumably) RO 5.18. It is necessary to boot from HostFS.
> > > The underlying OS is Windoof 7 of course.
> >
> > Unless you have a reason for using the HardDisc image file -
> > wouldn't it be easier to use 'HostFS'?
>
> To clarifiy: With HostFS and RISC OS 4.39, !Boot doesn't work there,
> too. It appears the same error as it is the case with the harddisc:
> "Resources for RISC OS 430 couldn't be founded. Reinstall !Boot."*
Possibly your 4.39 boot sequence is looking for dependencies which have
been left behind in HD4. Try making a backup of Program files\RPCEmu and
then, in RPCEmu, move the entire contents of HD4, to HostFS. To change
the boot drive, issue the following commands
*configure filesystem hostfs
*configure boot
If boot from HostFS still doesn't work, you can revert to your backup.
> The last doesn't work. It was always a plain (or new) installation of
> !Boot I tried.
Apologies if it sounds like a silly question, but are you using a RO5
boot sequence for 5.19, and a RO4 boot sequence for 4.39?
Here, RO 5.19 runs from HostFS, without problem.
Tony
wrote:
> On 25 Apr., 10:42, cfer...@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid wrote:
> > In message
> > <db109a9c-49ba-49b5-a1d6-078703728...@n22g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>
> > Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavariaso...@chiemgau-net.de> wrote:
> > > On 19 Apr., 08:53, spampling <spam.pl...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > yesterday I experienced with RiscEmu. Could'nt get the hard
> > > > > disc working with RISC OS 5.18. It works with RISC OS 4.39,
Currently, HD4 cannot be configured in RPCEmu / RO 5.19, and
> > In message
> > <db109a9c-49ba-49b5-a1d6-078703728...@n22g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>
> > Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavariaso...@chiemgau-net.de> wrote:
> > > On 19 Apr., 08:53, spampling <spam.pl...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > yesterday I experienced with RiscEmu. Could'nt get the hard
> > > > > disc working with RISC OS 5.18. It works with RISC OS 4.39,
(presumably) RO 5.18. It is necessary to boot from HostFS.
> > > The underlying OS is Windoof 7 of course.
> >
> > Unless you have a reason for using the HardDisc image file -
> > wouldn't it be easier to use 'HostFS'?
>
> To clarifiy: With HostFS and RISC OS 4.39, !Boot doesn't work there,
> too. It appears the same error as it is the case with the harddisc:
> "Resources for RISC OS 430 couldn't be founded. Reinstall !Boot."*
been left behind in HD4. Try making a backup of Program files\RPCEmu and
then, in RPCEmu, move the entire contents of HD4, to HostFS. To change
the boot drive, issue the following commands
*configure filesystem hostfs
*configure boot
If boot from HostFS still doesn't work, you can revert to your backup.
> The last doesn't work. It was always a plain (or new) installation of
> !Boot I tried.
boot sequence for 5.19, and a RO4 boot sequence for 4.39?
Here, RO 5.19 runs from HostFS, without problem.
Tony
Alexander Ausserstorfer
May 2, 2012, 1:56:18 AM5/2/12
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On Apr 26, 1:41 pm, Tony Moore <old_coas...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Apologies if it sounds like a silly question, but are you using a RO5
> boot sequence for 5.19, and a RO4 boot sequence for 4.39?
Yes, I'm silly. So I did!
> Apologies if it sounds like a silly question, but are you using a RO5
> boot sequence for 5.19, and a RO4 boot sequence for 4.39?
> Here, RO 5.19 runs from HostFS, without problem.
feeling to be able to work with TechWriter on my portable machine. But
there are some points:
- It is very slow (10 - 18 MIPS). Frodo or VICE aren't useable.
- How to install different versions of RISC OS? Because RISC OS is
incompatible between the versions for many software, I would like to
be able to switch between without huge work.
- I'm not able to use the option 'full screen mode'. It is just
flickering and fluckering.
- How to solve the problem of scattering when I work with different
computers but alwaysn need the latest version of a document on each?
- Is VRCP better for some reasons?
Thanks for help.
A.
http://home.chiemgau-net.de/ausserstorfer/
David Holden
May 2, 2012, 4:34:18 AM5/2/12
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On 2-May-2012, Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavari...@chiemgau-net.de>
wrote:
> - It is very slow (10 - 18 MIPS). Frodo or VICE aren't useable.
> - How to install different versions of RISC OS? Because RISC OS is
> incompatible between the versions for many software, I would like to
> be able to switch between without huge work.
> - I'm not able to use the option 'full screen mode'. It is just
> flickering and fluckering.
> - How to solve the problem of scattering when I work with different
> computers but alwaysn need the latest version of a document on each?
> - Is VRCP better for some reasons?
(generally) about 4 - 5 times as fast as RPCemu. Also if you continue to use
RO5 you'll be stuck with using only 32 bit apps, whereas with VRPC and RO
4.02 or the much better 4.39 you'll be able to run both 26 bit and 32 bit
apps.
You don't say what type of PC you're using so I can't give any sort of speed
estimate but even my old 1GHs P3 laptop was a bit faster than a 233MHz S/ARM
RPC and my Core 2 Duo is noticeably faster than an Iyonix.
--
David Holden - APDL - <http://www.apdl.co.uk>
NedA
May 2, 2012, 5:14:31 AM5/2/12
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In article
<984b12b3-1aa1-4ff9...@2g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavari...@chiemgau-net.de>
wrote:
[Snip]
> - How to solve the problem of scattering when I work with
> different computers but alwaysn need the latest version of
> a document on each?
You can set up Dropbox with its folder on the host machine
linked to RPCEmu. This can be accessed then from anywhere or
anyone who has permission.
--
besters
Ned
<984b12b3-1aa1-4ff9...@2g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavari...@chiemgau-net.de>
wrote:
[Snip]
> - How to solve the problem of scattering when I work with
> different computers but alwaysn need the latest version of
> a document on each?
linked to RPCEmu. This can be accessed then from anywhere or
anyone who has permission.
--
besters
Ned
Tony Moore
May 2, 2012, 7:41:19 AM5/2/12
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On 2 May 2012, Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavari...@chiemgau-net.de>
wrote:
[snip]
> > Here, RO 5.19 runs from HostFS, without problem.
>
> RO 5.19 is running here now with HostFS, too. It is such a good
> feeling to be able to work with TechWriter on my portable machine. But
> there are some points:
>
> - It is very slow (10 - 18 MIPS).
The speed of RPCEmu will depend on the speed of the host machine. Here,
on a Win7hb32b laptop with a Core2 1.6GHz processor, RPCEmu runs
generally at about twice the speed of my RiscPC. The numbers, reported
in the title bar of the RPCEmu window, may not accurately reflect the
speed of the emulator. The subject was discussed recently on the RPCEmu
mailing-list http://www.riscos.info/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/rpcemu in
the subject 'Video performance' starting on 12 April 2012.
> Frodo or VICE aren't useable.
Pass
> - How to install different versions of RISC OS? Because RISC OS is
> incompatible between the versions for many software, I would like to
> be able to switch between without huge work.
It's possible to install multiple copies of RPCEmu, each based on a
different version of RISC OS. Here RO 4.39 and 5.19 are available - but
I don't normally run them at the same time, because they quarrel over
ownership of the network bridge.
> - I'm not able to use the option 'full screen mode'. It is just
> flickering and fluckering.
Instead, try setting the screen resoluluton of the emulator, via a MDF
in its Boot, so that its window fills the screen. Then click on the
_Windows_ 'maximize' button. The horizontal resolution of the MDF should
be the same as the horizontal screen resolution. The vertical resolution
needs to be less than the vertical screen resolution, to allow space for
the windows title-bar. Here the screen has a resolution of 1280 x 800,
but the MDF has 1280 x 760 (below, in case it helps).
# 1280 x 760 (60.0248 Hz)
startmode
mode_name:1280 x 760 (60.0248 Hz)
x_res:1280
y_res:760
pixel_rate:72969
h_timings:188,44,0,1280,0,0
v_timings:2,32,0,760,0,10
sync_pol:3
endmode
> - How to solve the problem of scattering when I work with different
> computers but alwaysn need the latest version of a document on each?
I normally copy/move the document, as necessary using ShareFS.
Tony
wrote:
[snip]
> > Here, RO 5.19 runs from HostFS, without problem.
>
> RO 5.19 is running here now with HostFS, too. It is such a good
> feeling to be able to work with TechWriter on my portable machine. But
> there are some points:
>
> - It is very slow (10 - 18 MIPS).
on a Win7hb32b laptop with a Core2 1.6GHz processor, RPCEmu runs
generally at about twice the speed of my RiscPC. The numbers, reported
in the title bar of the RPCEmu window, may not accurately reflect the
speed of the emulator. The subject was discussed recently on the RPCEmu
mailing-list http://www.riscos.info/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/rpcemu in
the subject 'Video performance' starting on 12 April 2012.
> Frodo or VICE aren't useable.
> - How to install different versions of RISC OS? Because RISC OS is
> incompatible between the versions for many software, I would like to
> be able to switch between without huge work.
different version of RISC OS. Here RO 4.39 and 5.19 are available - but
I don't normally run them at the same time, because they quarrel over
ownership of the network bridge.
> - I'm not able to use the option 'full screen mode'. It is just
> flickering and fluckering.
in its Boot, so that its window fills the screen. Then click on the
_Windows_ 'maximize' button. The horizontal resolution of the MDF should
be the same as the horizontal screen resolution. The vertical resolution
needs to be less than the vertical screen resolution, to allow space for
the windows title-bar. Here the screen has a resolution of 1280 x 800,
but the MDF has 1280 x 760 (below, in case it helps).
# 1280 x 760 (60.0248 Hz)
startmode
mode_name:1280 x 760 (60.0248 Hz)
x_res:1280
y_res:760
pixel_rate:72969
h_timings:188,44,0,1280,0,0
v_timings:2,32,0,760,0,10
sync_pol:3
endmode
> - How to solve the problem of scattering when I work with different
> computers but alwaysn need the latest version of a document on each?
Tony
Tony Moore
May 2, 2012, 8:08:47 AM5/2/12
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On 2 May 2012, "David Holden" <Spa...@apdl.co.uk> wrote:
> On 2-May-2012, Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavari...@chiemgau-net.de>
> wrote:
>
> > - It is very slow (10 - 18 MIPS). Frodo or VICE aren't useable.
> > - How to install different versions of RISC OS? Because RISC OS is
> > incompatible between the versions for many software, I would like to
> > be able to switch between without huge work.
> > - I'm not able to use the option 'full screen mode'. It is just
> > flickering and fluckering.
> > - How to solve the problem of scattering when I work with different
> > computers but alwaysn need the latest version of a document on each?
> > - Is VRCP better for some reasons?
>
> It's much better for many reasons. To take your first point, VRPC is
> (generally) about 4 - 5 times as fast as RPCemu.
Can you say which test program was used to give that result?
> On 2-May-2012, Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavari...@chiemgau-net.de>
> wrote:
>
> > - It is very slow (10 - 18 MIPS). Frodo or VICE aren't useable.
> > - How to install different versions of RISC OS? Because RISC OS is
> > incompatible between the versions for many software, I would like to
> > be able to switch between without huge work.
> > - I'm not able to use the option 'full screen mode'. It is just
> > flickering and fluckering.
> > - How to solve the problem of scattering when I work with different
> > computers but alwaysn need the latest version of a document on each?
> > - Is VRCP better for some reasons?
>
> It's much better for many reasons. To take your first point, VRPC is
> (generally) about 4 - 5 times as fast as RPCemu.
> Also if you continue to use RO5 you'll be stuck with using only 32 bit
> apps
> whereas with VRPC and RO 4.02 or the much better 4.39 you'll be able
> to run both 26 bit and 32 bit apps.
Can those programs run on VARPC/4.39?
Tony
Peter Young
May 2, 2012, 8:32:59 AM5/2/12
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> Many 32 bit programs, which run on an Iyonix, cannot run on a RiscPC.
> Can those programs run on VARPC/4.39?
Are you sure of that? I have a lot of 32-bit apps running on VRPC with
> Can those programs run on VARPC/4.39?
RISC OS 4.02; or have I missed the point?
With best wishes,
Peter.
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Tony Moore
May 2, 2012, 9:55:49 AM5/2/12
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On 2 May 2012, Peter Young <pny...@ormail.co.uk> wrote:
> On 2 May 2012 Tony Moore <old_c...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> > Many 32 bit programs, which run on an Iyonix, cannot run on a
> > RiscPC. Can those programs run on VARPC/4.39?
>
> Are you sure of that?
I'm not sure. That's why I asked the question.
> On 2 May 2012 Tony Moore <old_c...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> > Many 32 bit programs, which run on an Iyonix, cannot run on a
> > RiscPC. Can those programs run on VARPC/4.39?
>
> Are you sure of that?
> I have a lot of 32-bit apps running on VRPC with RISC OS 4.02; or have
> I missed the point?
would not run on it. Over the course of time, many of those programs
were '32-bitted' so that they would run on the Iyonix but, I believe,
the converse is not true. Some programs are 26/32 bit neutral, but
others still require the Iyonix.
I guess that my question is, can _any_ program, written for the RiscPC
and/or Iyonix, run on VARPC?
Tony
Steffen Huber
May 2, 2012, 10:17:40 AM5/2/12
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Alexander Ausserstorfer wrote:
> On Apr 26, 1:41 pm, Tony Moore<old_coas...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Apologies if it sounds like a silly question, but are you using a RO5
>> boot sequence for 5.19, and a RO4 boot sequence for 4.39?
>
> Yes, I'm silly. So I did!
>
>> Here, RO 5.19 runs from HostFS, without problem.
>
> RO 5.19 is running here now with HostFS, too. It is such a good
> feeling to be able to work with TechWriter on my portable machine. But
> there are some points:
>
> - It is very slow (10 - 18 MIPS). Frodo or VICE aren't useable.
Do you use the Recompiler version? IIRC, I successfully tried VICE
> On Apr 26, 1:41 pm, Tony Moore<old_coas...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Apologies if it sounds like a silly question, but are you using a RO5
>> boot sequence for 5.19, and a RO4 boot sequence for 4.39?
>
> Yes, I'm silly. So I did!
>
>> Here, RO 5.19 runs from HostFS, without problem.
>
> RO 5.19 is running here now with HostFS, too. It is such a good
> feeling to be able to work with TechWriter on my portable machine. But
> there are some points:
>
> - It is very slow (10 - 18 MIPS). Frodo or VICE aren't useable.
and its speed was usable.
> - How to install different versions of RISC OS? Because RISC OS is
> incompatible between the versions for many software, I would like to
> be able to switch between without huge work.
remember to keep your cmos.ram file in sync with the RISC OS
version you are using.
I am keeping the different RISC OS versions I am using together
with their cmos.ram file and just copy them into RPCemu when
I want to use a specific RISC OS version.
> - I'm not able to use the option 'full screen mode'. It is just
> flickering and fluckering.
> - How to solve the problem of scattering when I work with different
> computers but alwaysn need the latest version of a document on each?
The modern solution is to use online storage.
> - Is VRCP better for some reasons?
allows elegant management of USB storage. It is also slightly faster
and slightly more stable in my experience. It allows multiple
HostFS drive mounts to arbitrary paths, while RPCemu is stuck with
"Harddisc4" in its own directory. Networking is seamless, i.e.
you don't need to mess around with bridging. Printing can be
integrated seamlessly with UniPrint.
From a technical point of view, I would prefer RPCemu, because it
also runs on Linux, allows use of any old IOMD compatible RISC OS
version (which includes RISC OS 5 which is of increasing importance),
I can compile it on my own, bugs reported actually get fixed,
and it does not have an annoying copy protection.
So my personal solution is: I am using both.
Steffen
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Tony Moore
May 2, 2012, 11:10:21 AM5/2/12
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To link the Dropbox to RPCEmu seems to need LanMan98, which creates an
icon on the RPCEmu iconbar. When clicked, this opens the Dropbox folder.
Maybe there's another way?
Tony
Tony Moore
May 2, 2012, 11:57:14 AM5/2/12
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On 2 May 2012, Steffen Huber <sp...@huber-net.de> wrote:
> Alexander Ausserstorfer wrote:
[snip]
> > - How to install different versions of RISC OS? Because RISC OS is
> > incompatible between the versions for many software, I would like to
> > be able to switch between without huge work.
>
> Whatever you put into the "roms" directory will be loaded. Just
> remember to keep your cmos.ram file in sync with the RISC OS
> version you are using.
... and be sure that the boot sequences match.
> I am keeping the different RISC OS versions I am using together
> with their cmos.ram file and just copy them into RPCemu when
> I want to use a specific RISC OS version.
I find it simpler to create a separate folder in 'Program files' for
each RPCEmu installation. Pinning a shortcut to the Start menu, for each
Application file, enables a version to be started, without moving files.
[snip]
> > - Is VRCP better for some reasons?
>
> VirtualRPC has a better "user experience". The drive popup manager
> allows elegant management of USB storage. It is also slightly faster
> and slightly more stable in my experience. It allows multiple
> HostFS drive mounts to arbitrary paths, while RPCemu is stuck with
> "Harddisc4" in its own directory.
RPCEmu/RO4 has a single HostFS drive, and an ADFS drive (hd4.hdf).
RPCEmu/RO5 has a single HostFS drive but, because ADFS has not yet been
enabled (5.19), the ADFS drive is absent.
Tony
> Alexander Ausserstorfer wrote:
[snip]
> > - How to install different versions of RISC OS? Because RISC OS is
> > incompatible between the versions for many software, I would like to
> > be able to switch between without huge work.
>
> Whatever you put into the "roms" directory will be loaded. Just
> remember to keep your cmos.ram file in sync with the RISC OS
> version you are using.
> I am keeping the different RISC OS versions I am using together
> with their cmos.ram file and just copy them into RPCemu when
> I want to use a specific RISC OS version.
each RPCEmu installation. Pinning a shortcut to the Start menu, for each
Application file, enables a version to be started, without moving files.
[snip]
> > - Is VRCP better for some reasons?
>
> VirtualRPC has a better "user experience". The drive popup manager
> allows elegant management of USB storage. It is also slightly faster
> and slightly more stable in my experience. It allows multiple
> HostFS drive mounts to arbitrary paths, while RPCemu is stuck with
> "Harddisc4" in its own directory.
RPCEmu/RO5 has a single HostFS drive but, because ADFS has not yet been
enabled (5.19), the ADFS drive is absent.
Tony
Alex Macfarlane Smith
May 2, 2012, 3:21:13 PM5/2/12
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On 02/05/2012 16:10, Tony Moore wrote:
> On 2 May 2012, NedA<ne...@ned.uk.invalid> wrote:
[snippy]
> On 2 May 2012, NedA<ne...@ned.uk.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> You can set up Dropbox with its folder on the host machine linked to
>> RPCEmu. This can be accessed then from anywhere or anyone who has
>> permission.
>
> That's a very neat idea. Many thanks.
>
> To link the Dropbox to RPCEmu seems to need LanMan98, which creates an
> icon on the RPCEmu iconbar. When clicked, this opens the Dropbox folder.
>
> Maybe there's another way?
>
> Tony
>
>
>
In principle I guess HostFS could support Windows shortcuts, so you
>> You can set up Dropbox with its folder on the host machine linked to
>> RPCEmu. This can be accessed then from anywhere or anyone who has
>> permission.
>
> That's a very neat idea. Many thanks.
>
> To link the Dropbox to RPCEmu seems to need LanMan98, which creates an
> icon on the RPCEmu iconbar. When clicked, this opens the Dropbox folder.
>
> Maybe there's another way?
>
> Tony
>
>
>
could just create a shortcut to your Dropbox directory inside HostFS (I
just tried this and it didn't work though)
Alex.
John Sandford
May 2, 2012, 6:18:30 PM5/2/12
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Tony Moore <old_c...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> I find it simpler to create a separate folder in 'Program files' for each
> RPCEmu installation. Pinning a shortcut to the Start menu, for each
> Application file, enables a version to be started, without moving files.
>
.
> I find it simpler to create a separate folder in 'Program files' for each
> RPCEmu installation. Pinning a shortcut to the Start menu, for each
> Application file, enables a version to be started, without moving files.
>
>
> Tony
I would not recommend putting RPCEmu in the program folders on windows 7,
especially if your running as a standard user (recommended) as there could
be permission problems.
I have mine on a second harddrive or you could use another partion on the
same drive or the place it in your user folder and place a shortcut on the
start menu/desktop/taskbar/library your choice.
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NedA
May 3, 2012, 4:06:57 AM5/3/12
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In article <4fa18928$0$286$1472...@news.sunsite.dk>,
Create link to Dropbox folder
"Cut" link and "Paste" into HostFS.
Run RPCEmu and access Dropbox folder.
Files appear as text icons.
Be advised if you change the filetype under RISC OS to - say -
pdf then the Ubuntu filename will change to "xxxxx.pdf.adf"
although its still opens in a pdf viewer.
Windows users might have the file name extension switched off.
HTH
--
besters
Ned
Alex Macfarlane Smith <nos...@archifishal.co.uk> wrote:
> On 02/05/2012 16:10, Tony Moore wrote:
> > On 2 May 2012, NedA<ne...@ned.uk.invalid> wrote:
> [snippy]
> >>
> >> You can set up Dropbox with its folder on the host
> >> machine linked to RPCEmu. This can be accessed then from
> >> anywhere or anyone who has permission.
> >
> > That's a very neat idea. Many thanks.
> >
> > To link the Dropbox to RPCEmu seems to need LanMan98,
> > which creates an icon on the RPCEmu iconbar. When
> > clicked, this opens the Dropbox folder.
> >
> > Maybe there's another way?
> >
> On 02/05/2012 16:10, Tony Moore wrote:
> > On 2 May 2012, NedA<ne...@ned.uk.invalid> wrote:
> [snippy]
> >>
> >> You can set up Dropbox with its folder on the host
> >> machine linked to RPCEmu. This can be accessed then from
> >> anywhere or anyone who has permission.
> >
> > That's a very neat idea. Many thanks.
> >
> > To link the Dropbox to RPCEmu seems to need LanMan98,
> > which creates an icon on the RPCEmu iconbar. When
> > clicked, this opens the Dropbox folder.
> >
> > Maybe there's another way?
> >
> In principle I guess HostFS could support Windows
> shortcuts, so you could just create a shortcut to your
> Dropbox directory inside HostFS (I just tried this and it
> didn't work though)
On Ubuntu 12.04 you dont need LanMan98.
> shortcuts, so you could just create a shortcut to your
> Dropbox directory inside HostFS (I just tried this and it
> didn't work though)
Create link to Dropbox folder
"Cut" link and "Paste" into HostFS.
Run RPCEmu and access Dropbox folder.
Files appear as text icons.
Be advised if you change the filetype under RISC OS to - say -
pdf then the Ubuntu filename will change to "xxxxx.pdf.adf"
although its still opens in a pdf viewer.
Windows users might have the file name extension switched off.
HTH
--
besters
Ned
Tony Moore
May 3, 2012, 8:32:04 AM5/3/12
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On 2 May 2012, John Sandford <li...@thesandfords.me.uk> wrote:
> Tony Moore <old_c...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > I find it simpler to create a separate folder in 'Program files' for
> > each RPCEmu installation. Pinning a shortcut to the Start menu, for
> > each Application file, enables a version to be started, without
> > moving files.
>
> Tony Moore <old_c...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > I find it simpler to create a separate folder in 'Program files' for
> > each RPCEmu installation. Pinning a shortcut to the Start menu, for
> > each Application file, enables a version to be started, without
> > moving files.
>
> I would not recommend putting RPCEmu in the program folders on windows 7
That's where the RPCEmu Windows installer locates the RPCEmu folder.
In fact, for multiple copies, it's best not to use the installer at all,
because it generates issues with Registry entries. Instead, using the
zip archive allows location of the RPCEmu folder where you will. This
doesn't register the program, so no Registry conflicts.
> especially if your running as a standard user (recommended) as there
> could be permission problems.
changed my user status, from that assigned by the installer. So far,
I've not found any permission issues with RPCEmu. ShareFS and LanMan98
work, on both installations (4.30 and 5.19).
Tony
Tony Moore
May 3, 2012, 7:25:09 AM5/3/12
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On 3 May 2012, NedA <ne...@ned.uk.invalid> wrote:
> In article <4fa18928$0$286$1472...@news.sunsite.dk>,
> Alex Macfarlane Smith <nos...@archifishal.co.uk> wrote:
[snip]
> In article <4fa18928$0$286$1472...@news.sunsite.dk>,
> Alex Macfarlane Smith <nos...@archifishal.co.uk> wrote:
> > In principle I guess HostFS could support Windows shortcuts, so you
> > could just create a shortcut to your Dropbox directory inside HostFS
> > (I just tried this and it didn't work though)
>
> On Ubuntu 12.04 you dont need LanMan98.
> Create link to Dropbox folder
> "Cut" link and "Paste" into HostFS.
> Run RPCEmu and access Dropbox folder.
> Files appear as text icons.
> Be advised if you change the filetype under RISC OS to - say -
> pdf then the Ubuntu filename will change to "xxxxx.pdf.adf"
> although its still opens in a pdf viewer.
>
> Windows users might have the file name extension switched off.
> HTH
extension, because RISC OS cannot run a Windows .lnk file.
Tony
Jeremy Nicoll - news posts
May 3, 2012, 8:45:04 AM5/3/12
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Tony Moore <old_c...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>Unfortunatley, it doesn't work in Windows, with or without the file
>extension, because RISC OS cannot run a Windows .lnk file.
Does RiscEmu not allow you to put the HostFS drive (folder) where you like?
>Unfortunatley, it doesn't work in Windows, with or without the file
>extension, because RISC OS cannot run a Windows .lnk file.
If you can, just put it inside your Dropbox folder. It's what I do with
VRPC.
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May 3, 2012, 9:09:25 AM5/3/12
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On 3 May 2012, Jeremy Nicoll - news posts
and, if moved elsewhare, RPCEmu would not be aware of it.
> If you can, just put it inside your Dropbox folder. It's what I do
> with VRPC.
That would also enable any copy of RPCEmu to access the same HostFS,
which would be very useful. Maybe a feature request is indicated.
Tony
<jn.nntp....@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> wrote:
> Tony Moore <old_c...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >Unfortunatley, it doesn't work in Windows, with or without the file
> >extension, because RISC OS cannot run a Windows .lnk file.
>
> Does RiscEmu not allow you to put the HostFS drive (folder) where you
> like?
Not as far as I know. RPCEmu's HostFS folder is in the RPCEmu folder
> Tony Moore <old_c...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >Unfortunatley, it doesn't work in Windows, with or without the file
> >extension, because RISC OS cannot run a Windows .lnk file.
>
> Does RiscEmu not allow you to put the HostFS drive (folder) where you
> like?
and, if moved elsewhare, RPCEmu would not be aware of it.
> If you can, just put it inside your Dropbox folder. It's what I do
> with VRPC.
which would be very useful. Maybe a feature request is indicated.
Tony
Martin Wuerthner
May 3, 2012, 9:31:29 AM5/3/12
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In message <b733958952.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>
validity of the introductory statement you made. You wrote: "Many 32
bit programs, which run on an Iyonix, cannot run on a RiscPC". That
statement is wrong.
>> I have a lot of 32-bit apps running on VRPC with RISC OS 4.02; or have
>> I missed the point?
> When the Iyonix was introduced, many programs written for the RiscPC
> would not run on it. Over the course of time, many of those programs
> were '32-bitted' so that they would run on the Iyonix but, I believe,
> the converse is not true.
"The converse" is not an issue because there would be little point in
anyone developing a 32-bit only program when it is just as easy to
develop a 26/32-bit neutral program. Why would anyone want to
artificially limit the potential user base for a new program?
The only exceptions are a few selected programs that only make sense
on an Iyonix, e.g., Aemulor or Geminus.
> Some programs are 26/32 bit neutral, but others still require the Iyonix.
Not any significant number of them.
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Tony Moore <old_c...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On 2 May 2012, Peter Young <pny...@ormail.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 2 May 2012 Tony Moore <old_c...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>> Many 32 bit programs, which run on an Iyonix, cannot run on a
>>> RiscPC. Can those programs run on VARPC/4.39?
>>
>> Are you sure of that?
> I'm not sure. That's why I asked the question.
You made a statement, and then asked a question. Peter questioned the
> On 2 May 2012, Peter Young <pny...@ormail.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 2 May 2012 Tony Moore <old_c...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>> Many 32 bit programs, which run on an Iyonix, cannot run on a
>>> RiscPC. Can those programs run on VARPC/4.39?
>>
>> Are you sure of that?
> I'm not sure. That's why I asked the question.
validity of the introductory statement you made. You wrote: "Many 32
bit programs, which run on an Iyonix, cannot run on a RiscPC". That
statement is wrong.
>> I have a lot of 32-bit apps running on VRPC with RISC OS 4.02; or have
>> I missed the point?
> When the Iyonix was introduced, many programs written for the RiscPC
> would not run on it. Over the course of time, many of those programs
> were '32-bitted' so that they would run on the Iyonix but, I believe,
> the converse is not true.
anyone developing a 32-bit only program when it is just as easy to
develop a 26/32-bit neutral program. Why would anyone want to
artificially limit the potential user base for a new program?
The only exceptions are a few selected programs that only make sense
on an Iyonix, e.g., Aemulor or Geminus.
> Some programs are 26/32 bit neutral, but others still require the Iyonix.
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John Sandford
May 3, 2012, 10:50:05 AM5/3/12
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Tony Moore <old_c...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > especially if your running as a standard user (recommended) as there
> > could be permission problems.
>
> I moved to Win7 only recently, so I'm no expert, but I've not knowingly
> changed my user status, from that assigned by the installer. So far, I've
> not found any permission issues with RPCEmu. ShareFS and LanMan98 work, on
> both installations (4.30 and 5.19).
>
> Tony
The installer with set you up as an Administrator as at least one user needs
> > especially if your running as a standard user (recommended) as there
> > could be permission problems.
>
> I moved to Win7 only recently, so I'm no expert, but I've not knowingly
> changed my user status, from that assigned by the installer. So far, I've
> not found any permission issues with RPCEmu. ShareFS and LanMan98 work, on
> both installations (4.30 and 5.19).
>
> Tony
to be, it helps when your user profile gets corrupted as you still have a
working profile to sort out any problems.
I set up a second user which will be a standard user unless you change it, I
use this user for every day computing.
This helps to restrict what malware/virus etc can do as there are parts of
windows a standard user cannot write to.
You will be asked to type in the administrators password if you want to make
changes (this is the first users password)
John
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Tony Moore
May 3, 2012, 11:15:38 AM5/3/12
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On 3 May 2012, Martin Wuerthner <spam...@mw-software.com> wrote:
> In message <b733958952.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>
> Tony Moore <old_c...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > On 2 May 2012, Peter Young <pny...@ormail.co.uk> wrote:
> > > On 2 May 2012 Tony Moore <old_c...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > > [snip]
> > >
> > > > Many 32 bit programs, which run on an Iyonix, cannot run on a
> > > > RiscPC. Can those programs run on VARPC/4.39?
> > >
> > > Are you sure of that?
>
> > I'm not sure. That's why I asked the question.
>
> You made a statement, and then asked a question. Peter questioned the
> validity of the introductory statement you made. You wrote: "Many 32
> bit programs, which run on an Iyonix, cannot run on a RiscPC". That
> statement is wrong.
My statement/question arose from a comment (now snipped), made by David
> In message <b733958952.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>
> Tony Moore <old_c...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > On 2 May 2012, Peter Young <pny...@ormail.co.uk> wrote:
> > > On 2 May 2012 Tony Moore <old_c...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > > [snip]
> > >
> > > > Many 32 bit programs, which run on an Iyonix, cannot run on a
> > > > RiscPC. Can those programs run on VARPC/4.39?
> > >
> > > Are you sure of that?
>
> > I'm not sure. That's why I asked the question.
>
> You made a statement, and then asked a question. Peter questioned the
> validity of the introductory statement you made. You wrote: "Many 32
> bit programs, which run on an Iyonix, cannot run on a RiscPC". That
> statement is wrong.
Holden in message <a0c9sa...@mid.individual.net>
... if you continue to use RO5 you'll be stuck with using only 32 bit
apps, whereas with VRPC and RO 4.02 or the much better 4.39 you'll be
able to run both 26 bit and 32 bit apps.
I'm interested in the capabilities of VARPC. From David's statement, I
understand - perhaps incorrectly - that VARPC/RO4.39 will run 32bit (not
only 26/32bit) programs, which I find surprising.
Tony
Tony Moore
May 3, 2012, 11:20:32 AM5/3/12
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On 3 May 2012, John Sandford <li...@thesandfords.me.uk> wrote:
> Tony Moore <old_c...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > especially if your running as a standard user (recommended) as
> > > there could be permission problems.
> >
> > I moved to Win7 only recently, so I'm no expert, but I've not
> > knowingly changed my user status, from that assigned by the
> > installer.
[snip]
> Tony Moore <old_c...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > especially if your running as a standard user (recommended) as
> > > there could be permission problems.
> >
> > I moved to Win7 only recently, so I'm no expert, but I've not
> > knowingly changed my user status, from that assigned by the
> > installer.
> The installer with set you up as an Administrator as at least one user
> needs to be, it helps when your user profile gets corrupted as you
> still have a working profile to sort out any problems.
>
> I set up a second user which will be a standard user unless you change
> it, I use this user for every day computing.
>
> This helps to restrict what malware/virus etc can do as there are
> parts of windows a standard user cannot write to.
>
> You will be asked to type in the administrators password if you want
> to make changes (this is the first users password)
Tony
Martin Wuerthner
May 3, 2012, 11:34:47 AM5/3/12
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In message <3d58208a52.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>
> I'm interested in the capabilities of VARPC. From David's statement, I
> understand - perhaps incorrectly - that VARPC/RO4.39 will run 32bit (not
> only 26/32bit) programs, which I find surprising.
Not at all. "32-bit app" really means "26/32-bit app" since there are
hardly any "32-bit only apps" around to speak of.
There is no formal definition for the terms "26-bit app" and "32-bit
app". The usual convention is that "26-bit app" is a shorthand for
"26-bit only app" and "32-bit app" is a shorthand for "26/32-bit app".
Tony Moore <old_c...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On 3 May 2012, Martin Wuerthner <spam...@mw-software.com> wrote:
>> In message <b733958952.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>
>> Tony Moore <old_c...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On 2 May 2012, Peter Young <pny...@ormail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> On 2 May 2012 Tony Moore <old_c...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> [snip]
>>>>
>>>>> Many 32 bit programs, which run on an Iyonix, cannot run on a
>>>>> RiscPC. Can those programs run on VARPC/4.39?
>>>>
>>>> Are you sure of that?
>>
>>> I'm not sure. That's why I asked the question.
>>
>> You made a statement, and then asked a question. Peter questioned the
>> validity of the introductory statement you made. You wrote: "Many 32
>> bit programs, which run on an Iyonix, cannot run on a RiscPC". That
>> statement is wrong.
> My statement/question arose from a comment (now snipped), made by David
> Holden in message <a0c9sa...@mid.individual.net>
> ... if you continue to use RO5 you'll be stuck with using only 32 bit
> apps, whereas with VRPC and RO 4.02 or the much better 4.39 you'll be
> able to run both 26 bit and 32 bit apps.
Yes, David's comment is correct.
> On 3 May 2012, Martin Wuerthner <spam...@mw-software.com> wrote:
>> In message <b733958952.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>
>> Tony Moore <old_c...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On 2 May 2012, Peter Young <pny...@ormail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> On 2 May 2012 Tony Moore <old_c...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> [snip]
>>>>
>>>>> Many 32 bit programs, which run on an Iyonix, cannot run on a
>>>>> RiscPC. Can those programs run on VARPC/4.39?
>>>>
>>>> Are you sure of that?
>>
>>> I'm not sure. That's why I asked the question.
>>
>> You made a statement, and then asked a question. Peter questioned the
>> validity of the introductory statement you made. You wrote: "Many 32
>> bit programs, which run on an Iyonix, cannot run on a RiscPC". That
>> statement is wrong.
> My statement/question arose from a comment (now snipped), made by David
> Holden in message <a0c9sa...@mid.individual.net>
> ... if you continue to use RO5 you'll be stuck with using only 32 bit
> apps, whereas with VRPC and RO 4.02 or the much better 4.39 you'll be
> able to run both 26 bit and 32 bit apps.
> I'm interested in the capabilities of VARPC. From David's statement, I
> understand - perhaps incorrectly - that VARPC/RO4.39 will run 32bit (not
> only 26/32bit) programs, which I find surprising.
hardly any "32-bit only apps" around to speak of.
There is no formal definition for the terms "26-bit app" and "32-bit
app". The usual convention is that "26-bit app" is a shorthand for
"26-bit only app" and "32-bit app" is a shorthand for "26/32-bit app".
Stuart
May 3, 2012, 12:20:03 PM5/3/12
to
In article <3d58208a52.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>,
http://www.e-junkie.com/43789/product/58699.php#%22Virtually+Free%22+RISC+OS+4.02+%28Download+Version%29
--
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Only plain text for emails
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Tony Moore <old_c...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> My statement/question arose from a comment (now snipped), made by David
> Holden in message <a0c9sa...@mid.individual.net>
> ... if you continue to use RO5 you'll be stuck with using only 32 bit
> apps, whereas with VRPC and RO 4.02 or the much better 4.39 you'll be
> able to run both 26 bit and 32 bit apps.
> I'm interested in the capabilities of VARPC. From David's statement, I
> understand - perhaps incorrectly - that VARPC/RO4.39 will run 32bit (not
> only 26/32bit) programs, which I find surprising.
This will give you RO4 for use with RPCEmu
> My statement/question arose from a comment (now snipped), made by David
> Holden in message <a0c9sa...@mid.individual.net>
> ... if you continue to use RO5 you'll be stuck with using only 32 bit
> apps, whereas with VRPC and RO 4.02 or the much better 4.39 you'll be
> able to run both 26 bit and 32 bit apps.
> I'm interested in the capabilities of VARPC. From David's statement, I
> understand - perhaps incorrectly - that VARPC/RO4.39 will run 32bit (not
> only 26/32bit) programs, which I find surprising.
http://www.e-junkie.com/43789/product/58699.php#%22Virtually+Free%22+RISC+OS+4.02+%28Download+Version%29
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Tony Moore
May 3, 2012, 12:25:57 PM5/3/12
to
On 3 May 2012, Martin Wuerthner <spam...@mw-software.com> wrote:
> In message <3d58208a52.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>
> Tony Moore <old_c...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
[snip]
> In message <3d58208a52.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>
> Tony Moore <old_c...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > My statement/question arose from a comment (now snipped), made by
> > David Holden in message <a0c9sa...@mid.individual.net>
>
> > ... if you continue to use RO5 you'll be stuck with using only 32
> > bit apps, whereas with VRPC and RO 4.02 or the much better 4.39
> > you'll be able to run both 26 bit and 32 bit apps.
>
> Yes, David's comment is correct.
>
> > I'm interested in the capabilities of VARPC. From David's statement,
> > I understand - perhaps incorrectly - that VARPC/RO4.39 will run
> > 32bit (not only 26/32bit) programs, which I find surprising.
>
> Not at all. "32-bit app" really means "26/32-bit app" since there are
> hardly any "32-bit only apps" around to speak of.
bit apps", I would have made no comment.
> There is no formal definition for the terms "26-bit app" and "32-bit
> app". The usual convention is that "26-bit app" is a shorthand for
> "26-bit only app" and "32-bit app" is a shorthand for "26/32-bit app".
Tony
Tony Moore
May 3, 2012, 12:33:14 PM5/3/12
to
On 3 May 2012, Stuart <Spa...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
[snip]
> This will give you RO4 for use with RPCEmu
>
> http://www.e-junkie.com/43789/product/58699.php#%22Virtually+Free%22+RISC+OS+4.02+%28Download+Version%29
Thanks for the link, but I already have RO 4.39 running on RPCEmu.
Tony
[snip]
> This will give you RO4 for use with RPCEmu
>
> http://www.e-junkie.com/43789/product/58699.php#%22Virtually+Free%22+RISC+OS+4.02+%28Download+Version%29
Tony
NedA
May 4, 2012, 7:46:53 AM5/4/12
to
In article <5289f91...@ned.uk.invalid>,
theres another (reversed) idea on Linux.
Move the hostfs folder from the rpcemu folder to Dropbox or
anywhere else on the filing system.
Create a Link to it.
Move the link to the rpcemu folder.
Rename it to "hostfs".
--
besters
Ned
NedA <ne...@ned.uk.invalid> wrote:
> On Ubuntu 12.04 you dont need LanMan98.
> Create link to Dropbox folder
> "Cut" link and "Paste" into HostFS.
> Run RPCEmu and access Dropbox folder.
> Files appear as text icons.
> Be advised if you change the filetype under RISC OS to - say -
> pdf then the Ubuntu filename will change to "xxxxx.pdf.adf"
> although its still opens in a pdf viewer.
> Windows users might have the file name extension switched
> off. HTH
Following on from Andrew Fawcetts post on the Rpcemu list
> On Ubuntu 12.04 you dont need LanMan98.
> Create link to Dropbox folder
> "Cut" link and "Paste" into HostFS.
> Run RPCEmu and access Dropbox folder.
> Files appear as text icons.
> Be advised if you change the filetype under RISC OS to - say -
> pdf then the Ubuntu filename will change to "xxxxx.pdf.adf"
> although its still opens in a pdf viewer.
> Windows users might have the file name extension switched
> off. HTH
theres another (reversed) idea on Linux.
Move the hostfs folder from the rpcemu folder to Dropbox or
anywhere else on the filing system.
Create a Link to it.
Move the link to the rpcemu folder.
Rename it to "hostfs".
--
besters
Ned
Alexander Ausserstorfer
May 7, 2012, 2:37:41 AM5/7/12
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On 2 Mai, 10:34, "David Holden" <Spam...@apdl.co.uk> wrote:
> > - Is VRCP better for some reasons?
>
> It's much better for many reasons. To take your first point, VRPC is
> (generally) about 4 - 5 times as fast as RPCemu. Also if you continue to use
> RO5 you'll be stuck with using only 32 bit apps, whereas with VRPC and RO
> 4.02 or the much better 4.39 you'll be able to run both 26 bit and 32 bit
> apps.
>
> You don't say what type of PC you're using so I can't give any sort of speed
> estimate but even my old 1GHs P3 laptop was a bit faster than a 233MHz S/ARM
> RPC and my Core 2 Duo is noticeably faster than an Iyonix.
Mine is a laptop (Windows 7, AMD Athlon 1.9 GHz). Does it run on AMD?
> > - Is VRCP better for some reasons?
>
> It's much better for many reasons. To take your first point, VRPC is
> (generally) about 4 - 5 times as fast as RPCemu. Also if you continue to use
> RO5 you'll be stuck with using only 32 bit apps, whereas with VRPC and RO
> 4.02 or the much better 4.39 you'll be able to run both 26 bit and 32 bit
> apps.
>
> You don't say what type of PC you're using so I can't give any sort of speed
> estimate but even my old 1GHs P3 laptop was a bit faster than a 233MHz S/ARM
> RPC and my Core 2 Duo is noticeably faster than an Iyonix.
A.
http://home.chiemgau-net.de/ausserstorfer/
David Holden
May 7, 2012, 6:55:25 AM5/7/12
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On 7-May-2012, Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavari...@chiemgau-net.de>
wrote:
than a RiscPC.
--
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Jeremy Nicoll - news posts
May 7, 2012, 7:19:43 AM5/7/12
to
Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavari...@chiemgau-net.de> wrote:
>Mine is a laptop (Windows 7, AMD Athlon 1.9 GHz). Does it run on AMD?
It's fine on an XP Pro AMD Sempron 1.8 GHz machine here.
>Mine is a laptop (Windows 7, AMD Athlon 1.9 GHz). Does it run on AMD?
Stuart
May 7, 2012, 8:11:17 AM5/7/12
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In article <a0po12...@mid.individual.net>,
Aaron made that statement to me a few years ago, which surprised me
because R-comp are/were using AMD in their RISCubes. (I see they are now
advertising "Intel Core2Duo as well)
Is it still true?
My understanding of the processor "wars" is that first Intel are ahead,
then AMD, then Intel, then AMD.....
I was having a conversation with my daughters boyfriend a couple of weeks
ago, regarding replacement of my wife's PC, and I was going to go Intel
this time. He told me there was new processor range from AMD, due
imminently, that would out-perform the current Intel range and I would be
better hanging on for a couple of weeks.
Aaron made that statement to me a few years ago, which surprised me
because R-comp are/were using AMD in their RISCubes. (I see they are now
advertising "Intel Core2Duo as well)
Is it still true?
My understanding of the processor "wars" is that first Intel are ahead,
then AMD, then Intel, then AMD.....
I was having a conversation with my daughters boyfriend a couple of weeks
ago, regarding replacement of my wife's PC, and I was going to go Intel
this time. He told me there was new processor range from AMD, due
imminently, that would out-perform the current Intel range and I would be
better hanging on for a couple of weeks.
David Holden
May 7, 2012, 9:35:27 AM5/7/12
to
On 7-May-2012, Stuart <Spa...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <a0po12...@mid.individual.net>,
> David Holden <Spa...@apdl.co.uk> wrote:
> > VRPC is faster on Intel processors.
>
> Aaron made that statement to me a few years ago, which surprised me
> because R-comp are/were using AMD in their RISCubes. (I see they are now
> advertising "Intel Core2Duo as well)
>
> Is it still true?
>
> My understanding of the processor "wars" is that first Intel are ahead,
> then AMD, then Intel, then AMD.....
works. That doesn't mean it isn't still fast on AMD processors, just that
Intel are recommended.
I do recall that there was one particular AMD processor that caused all
sorts of problems, but that was many years ago.
Alexander Ausserstorfer
May 31, 2012, 1:40:52 AM5/31/12
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> > - Is VRCP better for some reasons?
>
> It's much better for many reasons.
Since yesterday I have running VRPC on my machine. It works well in
>
> It's much better for many reasons.
full-screen-mode but there are some issues here:
- registration / unlocking is annoying (is there a work around of it?)
- in window mode I always see two mouse pointers - one from Windows
and one from RISC OS (displaced, offset)
- I have to double-click several times on the VRPC-icon to start it
- I nor can quit the programme using the cross of the window neither
the quit option of the menu bar. If I quit it more as one times, VRPC
crashes with an error.
Machine: Compaq Presario CQ56, Windows seven (German)
A.
http://home.chiemgau-net.de/ausserstorfer/
Dave Symes
May 31, 2012, 2:10:08 AM5/31/12
to
In article
<afcf53e5-4430-4b65...@w24g2000vby.googlegroups.com>,
underlying machine.
> - in window mode I always see two mouse pointers - one from Windows
> and one from RISC OS (displaced, offset)
In the Toolbar below Menu bar there's an icon with a pointer with a red X
strike through it, click that to get rid of the Windows pointer.
Alt + Return will bring the Windows pointer back if required.
> - I have to double-click several times on the VRPC-icon to start it
Works perfectly okay here, probably down to the Windows setting of your
double click.
> - I nor can quit the programme using the cross of the window neither
> the quit option of the menu bar. If I quit it more as one times, VRPC
> crashes with an error.
Ctrl + Shift + F12 (Pressed at same time) or Switcher Task Menu is the
legit way to close VRPC.
Would help when asking about problems to know the Version of VRPC.
> Machine: Compaq Presario CQ56, Windows seven (German)
> A.
> http://home.chiemgau-net.de/ausserstorfer/
Dave
--
Dave Triffid
<afcf53e5-4430-4b65...@w24g2000vby.googlegroups.com>,
Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavari...@chiemgau-net.de> wrote:
> On 2 Mai, 10:34, "David Holden" <Spam...@apdl.co.uk> wrote:
> > > - Is VRCP better for some reasons?
> >
> > It's much better for many reasons.
> Since yesterday I have running VRPC on my machine. It works well in
> full-screen-mode but there are some issues here:
> - registration / unlocking is annoying (is there a work around of it?)
Exceedingly, particularly if any changes are made to the Networking on the
> On 2 Mai, 10:34, "David Holden" <Spam...@apdl.co.uk> wrote:
> > > - Is VRCP better for some reasons?
> >
> > It's much better for many reasons.
> Since yesterday I have running VRPC on my machine. It works well in
> full-screen-mode but there are some issues here:
> - registration / unlocking is annoying (is there a work around of it?)
underlying machine.
> - in window mode I always see two mouse pointers - one from Windows
> and one from RISC OS (displaced, offset)
strike through it, click that to get rid of the Windows pointer.
Alt + Return will bring the Windows pointer back if required.
> - I have to double-click several times on the VRPC-icon to start it
double click.
> - I nor can quit the programme using the cross of the window neither
> the quit option of the menu bar. If I quit it more as one times, VRPC
> crashes with an error.
legit way to close VRPC.
Would help when asking about problems to know the Version of VRPC.
> Machine: Compaq Presario CQ56, Windows seven (German)
> A.
> http://home.chiemgau-net.de/ausserstorfer/
--
Dave Triffid
Brian Bailey
May 31, 2012, 5:56:18 AM5/31/12
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> > VRPC is faster on Intel processors.
> Aaron made that statement to me a few years ago, which surprised me
> because R-comp are/were using AMD in their RISCubes. (I see they are now
> advertising "Intel Core2Duo as well)
> Is it still true?
> My understanding of the processor "wars" is that first Intel are ahead,
> then AMD, then Intel, then AMD.....
> I was having a conversation with my daughters boyfriend a couple of weeks
> ago, regarding replacement of my wife's PC, and I was going to go Intel
> this time. He told me there was new processor range from AMD, due
> imminently, that would out-perform the current Intel range and I would be
> better hanging on for a couple of weeks.
you are referring to. It works very quickly. I've also added a Crucial
Adrenaline Cache, which also works OK.
Chris Hughes
May 31, 2012, 1:38:04 PM5/31/12
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In message <529859c...@triffid.co.uk>
(wired) turn on at least initially, since the key links to the
Hardware devices)
>> - in window mode I always see two mouse pointers - one from Windows
>> and one from RISC OS (displaced, offset)
> In the Toolbar below Menu bar there's an icon with a pointer with a red X
> strike through it, click that to get rid of the Windows pointer.
Its also a menu option in the Windows window.
> Alt + Return will bring the Windows pointer back if required.
>> - I have to double-click several times on the VRPC-icon to start it
> Works perfectly okay here, probably down to the Windows setting of your
> double click.
This sounds like a Windows UAC issue or as Dave said a setting for
your clicks. Works fine here.
>> - I nor can quit the programme using the cross of the window neither
>> the quit option of the menu bar. If I quit it more as one times, VRPC
>> crashes with an error.
> Ctrl + Shift + F12 (Pressed at same time) or Switcher Task Menu is the
> legit way to close VRPC.
That in the RISC OS window and is the correct way to shut it down
properly
> Would help when asking about problems to know the Version of VRPC.
Indeed, plus many of these points are covered in the Manual.
--
Chris Hughes
Sorry you have missed the Wakefield Show now.
http://www.wakefieldshow.org.uk
Dave Symes <da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> In article
> <afcf53e5-4430-4b65...@w24g2000vby.googlegroups.com>,
> Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavari...@chiemgau-net.de> wrote:
>> On 2 Mai, 10:34, "David Holden" <Spam...@apdl.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> - Is VRCP better for some reasons?
>>>
>>> It's much better for many reasons.
>> Since yesterday I have running VRPC on my machine. It works well in
>> full-screen-mode but there are some issues here:
>> - registration / unlocking is annoying (is there a work around of it?)
> Exceedingly, particularly if any changes are made to the Networking on the
> underlying machine.
Only if change the networking device, it best to Wifi and ethernet
> In article
> <afcf53e5-4430-4b65...@w24g2000vby.googlegroups.com>,
> Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavari...@chiemgau-net.de> wrote:
>> On 2 Mai, 10:34, "David Holden" <Spam...@apdl.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> - Is VRCP better for some reasons?
>>>
>>> It's much better for many reasons.
>> Since yesterday I have running VRPC on my machine. It works well in
>> full-screen-mode but there are some issues here:
>> - registration / unlocking is annoying (is there a work around of it?)
> Exceedingly, particularly if any changes are made to the Networking on the
> underlying machine.
(wired) turn on at least initially, since the key links to the
Hardware devices)
>> - in window mode I always see two mouse pointers - one from Windows
>> and one from RISC OS (displaced, offset)
> In the Toolbar below Menu bar there's an icon with a pointer with a red X
> strike through it, click that to get rid of the Windows pointer.
> Alt + Return will bring the Windows pointer back if required.
>> - I have to double-click several times on the VRPC-icon to start it
> Works perfectly okay here, probably down to the Windows setting of your
> double click.
your clicks. Works fine here.
>> - I nor can quit the programme using the cross of the window neither
>> the quit option of the menu bar. If I quit it more as one times, VRPC
>> crashes with an error.
> Ctrl + Shift + F12 (Pressed at same time) or Switcher Task Menu is the
> legit way to close VRPC.
properly
> Would help when asking about problems to know the Version of VRPC.
--
Chris Hughes
Sorry you have missed the Wakefield Show now.
http://www.wakefieldshow.org.uk
Dave Symes
May 31, 2012, 3:35:33 PM5/31/12
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In article <afca9898...@o2.co.uk>,
> > Exceedingly, particularly if any changes are made to the Networking on
> > the underlying machine.
> Only if change the networking device, it best to Wifi and ethernet
> (wired) turn on at least initially, since the key links to the
> Hardware devices)
[Snippy]
It's far more snotty/crapworthy than a lot of folks realise.
I use a VRPC-Adjust SA install as a mirror for this very ancient SARPC
which I still use for both business and fun.
OTOH. I also *play* with RPCEmu, and if I should be foolish enough to
activate the Network bridge required to get RPCEmu networking, then VRPC
will not even Run, but goes to the installation registration setup and
requires a new number.
The network hardware has not changed, but VRPC thinks it has.
Only disabling the RPCEmu network bridge will get VRPC running again.
Dave
--
Dave Triffid
Chris Hughes <ne...@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <529859c...@triffid.co.uk>
> Dave Symes <da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
[Snippy]
> In message <529859c...@triffid.co.uk>
> Dave Symes <da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> > Exceedingly, particularly if any changes are made to the Networking on
> > the underlying machine.
> Only if change the networking device, it best to Wifi and ethernet
> (wired) turn on at least initially, since the key links to the
> Hardware devices)
It's far more snotty/crapworthy than a lot of folks realise.
I use a VRPC-Adjust SA install as a mirror for this very ancient SARPC
which I still use for both business and fun.
OTOH. I also *play* with RPCEmu, and if I should be foolish enough to
activate the Network bridge required to get RPCEmu networking, then VRPC
will not even Run, but goes to the installation registration setup and
requires a new number.
The network hardware has not changed, but VRPC thinks it has.
Only disabling the RPCEmu network bridge will get VRPC running again.
Dave
--
Dave Triffid
Chris Hughes
May 31, 2012, 4:18:46 PM5/31/12
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In message <5298a38...@triffid.co.uk>
Thats because it a new networking device, regardless of RPCemu its
possible for that effect to happen.
Remember Virtual Acorn have not set the licence restriction, they just
have to try and enforce whats been enforced upon them.
The majority of users will not have RPCemu on their PC as well as
VRPC.
possible for that effect to happen.
Remember Virtual Acorn have not set the licence restriction, they just
have to try and enforce whats been enforced upon them.
The majority of users will not have RPCemu on their PC as well as
VRPC.
Dave Symes
Jun 1, 2012, 1:05:58 AM6/1/12
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In article <e880a798...@o2.co.uk>,
Yadyadayada... Yes we know all those tales, and Pink Elephants...
The point is, I only have one network card in the machine, and regardless
of how I might want to configure its use, an app should *not* be so
constructed/restricted that it shits its pants anytime I want to
reconfigure the network.
D.
--
Dave Triffid
The point is, I only have one network card in the machine, and regardless
of how I might want to configure its use, an app should *not* be so
constructed/restricted that it shits its pants anytime I want to
reconfigure the network.
D.
--
Dave Triffid
Brian Carroll
Jun 1, 2012, 6:10:33 AM6/1/12
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In article <5298d7c...@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes
<da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
[ ... ]
> Yadyadayada... Yes we know all those tales, and Pink
> Elephants...
> The point is, I only have one network card in the machine, and
> regardless of how I might want to configure its use, an app
> should *not* be so constructed/restricted that it shits its
> pants anytime I want to reconfigure the network.
I'm with Dave on this subject. The intention, to tie the
installation to a specific computer, was forced on the developer
to protect the RISC OS copyright, but linking the unlock to the
hardware MAC address of the network 'card' was not a good
solution. It caused great nuisance to me when I ran VA on a
laptop which had both wireless and cable network links (as I
suppose most laptops do).
Brian.
--
______________________________________________________________
Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire, UK
______________________________________________________________
<da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
[ ... ]
> Yadyadayada... Yes we know all those tales, and Pink
> Elephants...
> The point is, I only have one network card in the machine, and
> regardless of how I might want to configure its use, an app
> should *not* be so constructed/restricted that it shits its
> pants anytime I want to reconfigure the network.
installation to a specific computer, was forced on the developer
to protect the RISC OS copyright, but linking the unlock to the
hardware MAC address of the network 'card' was not a good
solution. It caused great nuisance to me when I ran VA on a
laptop which had both wireless and cable network links (as I
suppose most laptops do).
Brian.
--
______________________________________________________________
Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire, UK
______________________________________________________________
Alexander Ausserstorfer
Jun 3, 2012, 1:36:35 AM6/3/12
to
On 31 Mai, 08:10, Dave Symes <d...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> > - in window mode I always see two mouse pointers - one from Windows
> > and one from RISC OS (displaced, offset)
>
> In the Toolbar below Menu bar there's an icon with a pointer with a red X
> strike through it, click that to get rid of the Windows pointer.
>
> Alt + Return will bring the Windows pointer back if required.
Thanks. I thought it is a fault because it is senseless to me. Why the
> > - in window mode I always see two mouse pointers - one from Windows
> > and one from RISC OS (displaced, offset)
>
> In the Toolbar below Menu bar there's an icon with a pointer with a red X
> strike through it, click that to get rid of the Windows pointer.
>
> Alt + Return will bring the Windows pointer back if required.
hell VRPC doesn't switch between the two pointers automatically (like
RISCEmu and other emulators does)?
It is also to say that VRPC isn't just an emulator because it uses a
special version of RISC OS what was written for it. This means VRPC is
good to run some software which was written for RISC OS but it doesn't
just emulate specific Acorn machines. It creates a new RISC OS
relevant system. (May be I'm wrong in this point but it was my first
impressum.)
A.
http://home.chiemgau-net.de/ausserstorfer/
Dave Symes
Jun 3, 2012, 2:19:57 AM6/3/12
to
In article
<16859a32-6606-43a1...@p27g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
unreliable, in that often the pointer when moving from RO into the Windows
side will vanish completely.
At least with the VRPC version you have switch control.
> It is also to say that VRPC isn't just an emulator because it uses a
> special version of RISC OS what was written for it. This means VRPC is
> good to run some software which was written for RISC OS but it doesn't
> just emulate specific Acorn machines. It creates a new RISC OS
> relevant system. (May be I'm wrong in this point but it was my first
> impression.)
> A.
Not quite the case Alexander...
VRPC is usually supplied with a current version of RO Ltd, RISC OS, but
you can also install any modern versions of RO (4.nn or 6.nn series) of
your choice.
(No idea about the other fork 5.nn series, though I believe there is an
experimental 5.nn softload available)
If for example like me you *were* a RO Select subscriber... So I have a
whole set of OS versions available from 4.20 up to 6.20.
My VRPC install runs with 6.20 and Fay (Wife), her VRPC install runs with
4.39.
Both update versions have been installed by me over the base supplied
versions.
I also have a very old (The original release) VRPC on an old PC somewhere
in the house running an earlier 4.nn version.
Dave
--
Dave Triffid
<16859a32-6606-43a1...@p27g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavari...@chiemgau-net.de> wrote:
> On 31 Mai, 08:10, Dave Symes <d...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> > > - in window mode I always see two mouse pointers - one from Windows
> > > and one from RISC OS (displaced, offset)
> > In the Toolbar below Menu bar there's an icon with a pointer with a
> > red X strike through it, click that to get rid of the Windows pointer.
> >
> > Alt + Return will bring the Windows pointer back if required.
> Thanks. I thought it is a fault because it is senseless to me. Why the
> hell VRPC doesn't switch between the two pointers automatically (like
> RISCEmu and other emulators does)?
Good question, though I find the auto pointer pickup on RPCEmu to be quite
> On 31 Mai, 08:10, Dave Symes <d...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> > > - in window mode I always see two mouse pointers - one from Windows
> > > and one from RISC OS (displaced, offset)
> > In the Toolbar below Menu bar there's an icon with a pointer with a
> > red X strike through it, click that to get rid of the Windows pointer.
> >
> > Alt + Return will bring the Windows pointer back if required.
> Thanks. I thought it is a fault because it is senseless to me. Why the
> hell VRPC doesn't switch between the two pointers automatically (like
> RISCEmu and other emulators does)?
unreliable, in that often the pointer when moving from RO into the Windows
side will vanish completely.
At least with the VRPC version you have switch control.
> It is also to say that VRPC isn't just an emulator because it uses a
> special version of RISC OS what was written for it. This means VRPC is
> good to run some software which was written for RISC OS but it doesn't
> just emulate specific Acorn machines. It creates a new RISC OS
> relevant system. (May be I'm wrong in this point but it was my first
> A.
Not quite the case Alexander...
VRPC is usually supplied with a current version of RO Ltd, RISC OS, but
you can also install any modern versions of RO (4.nn or 6.nn series) of
your choice.
(No idea about the other fork 5.nn series, though I believe there is an
experimental 5.nn softload available)
If for example like me you *were* a RO Select subscriber... So I have a
whole set of OS versions available from 4.20 up to 6.20.
My VRPC install runs with 6.20 and Fay (Wife), her VRPC install runs with
4.39.
Both update versions have been installed by me over the base supplied
versions.
I also have a very old (The original release) VRPC on an old PC somewhere
in the house running an earlier 4.nn version.
Dave
--
Dave Triffid
spampling
Jun 3, 2012, 3:16:32 AM6/3/12
to
In article <5299e63...@triffid.co.uk>,
"iomd softload" v5.19 release date 2012-06-01
It has a bit more development occurring than the ROL version and autobuilds
appear "nightly" when the CVS is updated.
An updated HardDisc4 RO5 build to match is on the same page. Mostly this
doesn't change, unless someone adds a new utility or fixes an application
bug, like a spurious sprite.
I think Alexander has already downloaded from that page for his RPCEMU
build.
The same page has stable(5.18) and latest (5.19) builds for Iyonix and
modern hardware. Beagle has both 5.18 and 5.19, panda is development 5.19,
and I guess the BCM2835dev is bleeding edge 5.19.
If you hadn't guessed, the BCM2835 is the SOC in the RPi.
From what I read the v6.x versions are prettier.
--
Steve Pampling
Dave Symes <da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> Not quite the case Alexander...
> VRPC is usually supplied with a current version of RO Ltd, RISC OS, but
> you can also install any modern versions of RO (4.nn or 6.nn series) of
> your choice.
> (No idea about the other fork 5.nn series, though I believe there is an
> experimental 5.nn softload available)
http://www.riscosopen.org/content/downloads/other-zipfiles
> Not quite the case Alexander...
> VRPC is usually supplied with a current version of RO Ltd, RISC OS, but
> you can also install any modern versions of RO (4.nn or 6.nn series) of
> your choice.
> (No idea about the other fork 5.nn series, though I believe there is an
> experimental 5.nn softload available)
"iomd softload" v5.19 release date 2012-06-01
It has a bit more development occurring than the ROL version and autobuilds
appear "nightly" when the CVS is updated.
An updated HardDisc4 RO5 build to match is on the same page. Mostly this
doesn't change, unless someone adds a new utility or fixes an application
bug, like a spurious sprite.
I think Alexander has already downloaded from that page for his RPCEMU
build.
The same page has stable(5.18) and latest (5.19) builds for Iyonix and
modern hardware. Beagle has both 5.18 and 5.19, panda is development 5.19,
and I guess the BCM2835dev is bleeding edge 5.19.
If you hadn't guessed, the BCM2835 is the SOC in the RPi.
From what I read the v6.x versions are prettier.
--
Steve Pampling
Dave Symes
Jun 3, 2012, 3:34:10 AM6/3/12
to
In article <5299eb658f...@btinternet.com>,
spampling <spam....@btinternet.com> wrote:
[Snippy]
That said, it appears RO 6.20 is the end as nothing has happened since
2009.
D.
--
Dave Triffid
spampling <spam....@btinternet.com> wrote:
[Snippy]
> From what I read the v6.x versions are prettier.
Yes, and have more functions as well.
That said, it appears RO 6.20 is the end as nothing has happened since
2009.
D.
--
Dave Triffid
druck
Jun 3, 2012, 5:07:52 PM6/3/12
to
On 31/05/2012 10:56, Brian Bailey wrote:
> [Someone who's name you removed wrote:]
>> [Someone else who's name you also removed wrote:]
Yes. RISC OS only uses a single processor, therefore the vast majority
of emulation work is also done on a single processor. Both Intel and AMD
are concentrating on producing multi-core chips with lower clock speeds
than the older single core chips, which wont help emulation. However,
Intel on their i5 and i7 chips (particularly the lastest generation)
have a turbo-boost feature which will overclock one one of the cores if
only it is being used and the other cores are idle.
This will be of more benefit to RISC OS emulation than other features of
the chips, so it important to read the specs of machines carefully and
pick the one with a chip which provides the highest turbo boost for the
price point you are considering.
---druck
> [Someone who's name you removed wrote:]
>> [Someone else who's name you also removed wrote:]
>>> VRPC is faster on Intel processors.
>
>> Is it still true?
>
Yes. RISC OS only uses a single processor, therefore the vast majority
of emulation work is also done on a single processor. Both Intel and AMD
are concentrating on producing multi-core chips with lower clock speeds
than the older single core chips, which wont help emulation. However,
Intel on their i5 and i7 chips (particularly the lastest generation)
have a turbo-boost feature which will overclock one one of the cores if
only it is being used and the other cores are idle.
This will be of more benefit to RISC OS emulation than other features of
the chips, so it important to read the specs of machines carefully and
pick the one with a chip which provides the highest turbo boost for the
price point you are considering.
---druck
Alexander Ausserstorfer
Jun 4, 2012, 3:10:31 AM6/4/12
to
> > - I have to double-click several times on the VRPC-icon to start it
>
> Works perfectly okay here, probably down to the Windows setting of your
> double click.
I always have to click four times to start VRPC although all other
>
> Works perfectly okay here, probably down to the Windows setting of your
> double click.
applications requires just a double click.
> > - I nor can quit the programme using the cross of the window neither
> > the quit option of the menu bar. If I quit it more as one times, VRPC
> > crashes with an error.
>
> Ctrl + Shift + F12 (Pressed at same time) or Switcher Task Menu is the
> legit way to close VRPC.
>
> Would help when asking about problems to know the Version of VRPC.
A.
http://home.chiemgau-net.de/ausserstorfer/
Dave Symes
Jun 4, 2012, 4:04:06 AM6/4/12
to
In article
<b086e137-5733-4d79...@n5g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > Would help when asking about problems to know the Version of VRPC.
> VRPC 1.7
> A.
Not quite what I meant Alexander.
VRPC-SE or VRPCSA or VRPC-Adjust SA or VRPC-Adjust SA Mac would be the
answers. :-)
Dave
--
Dave Triffid
<b086e137-5733-4d79...@n5g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavari...@chiemgau-net.de> wrote:
> On 31 Mai, 08:10, Dave Symes <d...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
[Snippy]
> On 31 Mai, 08:10, Dave Symes <d...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > Would help when asking about problems to know the Version of VRPC.
> VRPC 1.7
> A.
VRPC-SE or VRPCSA or VRPC-Adjust SA or VRPC-Adjust SA Mac would be the
answers. :-)
Dave
--
Dave Triffid
Brian Jordan
Jun 4, 2012, 4:22:33 AM6/4/12
to
In message <b086e137-5733-4d79...@n5g2000vbb.googlegrou
ps.com>
Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavari...@chiemgau-net.de>
time ago. On 23rd Nov 2010 I wrote:
"I have for several months been running Virtual RPC-AdjustSA on my
Windows 7 machine. Yesterday, the computer failed to start and
required a repair to the BOOTMGR which was successful and everything
was as before except for a couple of problems with my VA.
This, along with a number of other programs has a shortcut button on
the button bar. Until yesterday all of these programs required a
single click to start them, now the VA program requires a treble click
whereas all the rest still start with a single click. There is also a
new strangeness when I shut down from the RISC OS task manager; this
used to work normally and the program shut down gracefully now it
shuts down to an empty, transparent window and then Windows reports a
fault and starts to search for a solution. Everything else is normal
as far as I can see.
Any ideas where I might find a fix for this?"
I never found a simple fix. In the end the computer I was running VA
on, an Acer Aspire with an AMD processor, was taken out of service and
replaced by a computer with an Intel processor. I haven't had any
problems on this machine.
Brian
--
Brian Jordan
Virtual RPC-AdjustSA
RISC OS 6.20
ps.com>
Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavari...@chiemgau-net.de>
wrote:
>> - I have to double-click several times on the VRPC-icon to start it
This, and your shutdown problem aren't new. I had a similar thing some
>> - I have to double-click several times on the VRPC-icon to start it
time ago. On 23rd Nov 2010 I wrote:
"I have for several months been running Virtual RPC-AdjustSA on my
Windows 7 machine. Yesterday, the computer failed to start and
required a repair to the BOOTMGR which was successful and everything
was as before except for a couple of problems with my VA.
This, along with a number of other programs has a shortcut button on
the button bar. Until yesterday all of these programs required a
single click to start them, now the VA program requires a treble click
whereas all the rest still start with a single click. There is also a
new strangeness when I shut down from the RISC OS task manager; this
used to work normally and the program shut down gracefully now it
shuts down to an empty, transparent window and then Windows reports a
fault and starts to search for a solution. Everything else is normal
as far as I can see.
Any ideas where I might find a fix for this?"
I never found a simple fix. In the end the computer I was running VA
on, an Acer Aspire with an AMD processor, was taken out of service and
replaced by a computer with an Intel processor. I haven't had any
problems on this machine.
Brian
--
Brian Jordan
Virtual RPC-AdjustSA
RISC OS 6.20
Brian Jordan
Jun 4, 2012, 4:26:22 AM6/4/12
to
In message <e746759a...@brian.jordan9.btinternet.com>
Brian Jordan <brian....@btinternet.com> wrote:
> In message <b086e137-5733-4d79...@n5g2000vbb.googlegrou
> ps.com>
> Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavari...@chiemgau-net.de>
> wrote:
>>> - I have to double-click several times on the VRPC-icon to start it
> This, and your shutdown problem aren't new. I had a similar thing some
> time ago. On 23rd Nov 2010 I wrote:
Should have said I wrote on the Virtual Acorn mailing list...
> In message <b086e137-5733-4d79...@n5g2000vbb.googlegrou
> ps.com>
> Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavari...@chiemgau-net.de>
> wrote:
>>> - I have to double-click several times on the VRPC-icon to start it
> This, and your shutdown problem aren't new. I had a similar thing some
> time ago. On 23rd Nov 2010 I wrote:
spampling
Jun 4, 2012, 3:39:08 AM6/4/12
to
In article <5299ed0...@triffid.co.uk>,
> That said, it appears RO 6.20 is the end as nothing has happened since
> 2009.
Sad. Maybe the differences should fold into the open source.
Do I need an asbestos suit?
--
Steve Pampling
Dave Symes <da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <5299eb658f...@btinternet.com>,
> spampling <spam....@btinternet.com> wrote:
> [Snippy]
> > From what I read the v6.x versions are prettier.
> Yes, and have more functions as well.
I don't recall seeing a list.
> In article <5299eb658f...@btinternet.com>,
> spampling <spam....@btinternet.com> wrote:
> [Snippy]
> > From what I read the v6.x versions are prettier.
> Yes, and have more functions as well.
> That said, it appears RO 6.20 is the end as nothing has happened since
> 2009.
Do I need an asbestos suit?
--
Steve Pampling
Steve Fryatt
Jun 5, 2012, 5:16:39 PM6/5/12
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On 4 Jun, spampling wrote in message
<529a714d33...@btinternet.com>:
> In article <5299ed0...@triffid.co.uk>,
> Dave Symes <da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <5299eb658f...@btinternet.com>,
> > spampling <spam....@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > [Snippy]
> > > From what I read the v6.x versions are prettier.
>
> > Yes, and have more functions as well.
>
> I don't recall seeing a list.
Lots of shiny new APIs that third-party developers can't use because the
take-up is so small...
--
Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England
http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/
<529a714d33...@btinternet.com>:
> In article <5299ed0...@triffid.co.uk>,
> Dave Symes <da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <5299eb658f...@btinternet.com>,
> > spampling <spam....@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > [Snippy]
> > > From what I read the v6.x versions are prettier.
>
> > Yes, and have more functions as well.
>
> I don't recall seeing a list.
take-up is so small...
--
Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England
http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/
spampling
Jun 6, 2012, 2:49:25 AM6/6/12
to
In article <mpro.m55xrq08...@stevefryatt.org.uk>,
visible differences.
--
Steve Pampling
Steve Fryatt <ne...@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
> On 4 Jun, spampling wrote in message
> <529a714d33...@btinternet.com>:
> > In article <5299ed0...@triffid.co.uk>,
> > Dave Symes <da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> > > In article <5299eb658f...@btinternet.com>,
> > > spampling <spam....@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > > [Snippy]
> > > > From what I read the v6.x versions are prettier.
> >
> > > Yes, and have more functions as well.
> >
> > I don't recall seeing a list.
> Lots of shiny new APIs that third-party developers can't use because the
> take-up is so small...
Possibly, but like I said I don't recall seeing a list. Or snapshots of
> On 4 Jun, spampling wrote in message
> <529a714d33...@btinternet.com>:
> > In article <5299ed0...@triffid.co.uk>,
> > Dave Symes <da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> > > In article <5299eb658f...@btinternet.com>,
> > > spampling <spam....@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > > [Snippy]
> > > > From what I read the v6.x versions are prettier.
> >
> > > Yes, and have more functions as well.
> >
> > I don't recall seeing a list.
> Lots of shiny new APIs that third-party developers can't use because the
> take-up is so small...
visible differences.
--
Steve Pampling
Tony Moore
Jun 6, 2012, 8:33:22 AM6/6/12
to
http://select.riscos.com/RISCOS6/key.html
Paul Stewart's drobe article 'RISC OS 6 in pictures' is still at
http://www.drobe.co.uk/article.php?id=2481
Tony
spampling
Jun 6, 2012, 12:47:06 PM6/6/12
to
In article <19e9939b52.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>,
Ta.
I like to look, even if I decide not to buy. There are probably lots of
others just like me.
It just surprises me people spend so much time not giving such a simple
answer.
--
Steve Pampling
I like to look, even if I decide not to buy. There are probably lots of
others just like me.
It just surprises me people spend so much time not giving such a simple
answer.
--
Steve Pampling
spampling
Jun 6, 2012, 8:05:37 PM6/6/12
to
In article <529bab2336...@btinternet.com>,
1. The ROL web pages are so broken they convey no real information or
impression, except of people who can't finish a job.
2. The drobe article is rather slim and doesn't convey much.
I think the combination comes out as an epic fail, with the major
contribution from the people hoping to make money.
--
Steve Pampling
spampling <spam....@btinternet.com> wrote:
> In article <19e9939b52.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>,
> Tony Moore <old_c...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > On 6 Jun 2012, spampling <spam....@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > > Possibly, but like I said I don't recall seeing a list. Or snapshots
> > > of visible differences.
> > RISCOS Ltd list the 'Key features of RISC OS 6' at
> > http://select.riscos.com/RISCOS6/key.html
> > Paul Stewart's drobe article 'RISC OS 6 in pictures' is still at
> > http://www.drobe.co.uk/article.php?id=2481
> > Tony
> Ta.
> I like to look, even if I decide not to buy. There are probably lots of
> others just like me.
> It just surprises me people spend so much time not giving such a simple
> answer.
and having followed the links:
> In article <19e9939b52.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>,
> Tony Moore <old_c...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > On 6 Jun 2012, spampling <spam....@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > > Possibly, but like I said I don't recall seeing a list. Or snapshots
> > > of visible differences.
> > RISCOS Ltd list the 'Key features of RISC OS 6' at
> > http://select.riscos.com/RISCOS6/key.html
> > Paul Stewart's drobe article 'RISC OS 6 in pictures' is still at
> > http://www.drobe.co.uk/article.php?id=2481
> > Tony
> Ta.
> I like to look, even if I decide not to buy. There are probably lots of
> others just like me.
> It just surprises me people spend so much time not giving such a simple
> answer.
1. The ROL web pages are so broken they convey no real information or
impression, except of people who can't finish a job.
2. The drobe article is rather slim and doesn't convey much.
I think the combination comes out as an epic fail, with the major
contribution from the people hoping to make money.
--
Steve Pampling
Chris Hughes
Jun 7, 2012, 3:56:51 AM6/7/12
to
In message <529bd349ab...@btinternet.com>
But try this one as well. (which is linked from the one you say is
broken).
Try this one http://select.riscos.com/SelChanges/
--
Chris Hughes
spampling <spam....@btinternet.com> wrote:
> In article <529bab2336...@btinternet.com>,
> spampling <spam....@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> In article <19e9939b52.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>,
>> Tony Moore <old_c...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On 6 Jun 2012, spampling <spam....@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>> Possibly, but like I said I don't recall seeing a list. Or snapshots
>>>> of visible differences.
>>> RISCOS Ltd list the 'Key features of RISC OS 6' at
>>> http://select.riscos.com/RISCOS6/key.html
>>> Paul Stewart's drobe article 'RISC OS 6 in pictures' is still at
>>> http://www.drobe.co.uk/article.php?id=2481
>>> Tony
>> Ta.
>> I like to look, even if I decide not to buy. There are probably lots of
>> others just like me.
>> It just surprises me people spend so much time not giving such a simple
>> answer.
> and having followed the links:
> 1. The ROL web pages are so broken they convey no real information or
> impression, except of people who can't finish a job.
They seem fine here!
> In article <529bab2336...@btinternet.com>,
> spampling <spam....@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> In article <19e9939b52.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>,
>> Tony Moore <old_c...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On 6 Jun 2012, spampling <spam....@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>> Possibly, but like I said I don't recall seeing a list. Or snapshots
>>>> of visible differences.
>>> RISCOS Ltd list the 'Key features of RISC OS 6' at
>>> http://select.riscos.com/RISCOS6/key.html
>>> Paul Stewart's drobe article 'RISC OS 6 in pictures' is still at
>>> http://www.drobe.co.uk/article.php?id=2481
>>> Tony
>> Ta.
>> I like to look, even if I decide not to buy. There are probably lots of
>> others just like me.
>> It just surprises me people spend so much time not giving such a simple
>> answer.
> and having followed the links:
> 1. The ROL web pages are so broken they convey no real information or
> impression, except of people who can't finish a job.
But try this one as well. (which is linked from the one you say is
broken).
Try this one http://select.riscos.com/SelChanges/
--
Chris Hughes
Philip Draper
Jun 7, 2012, 6:53:05 AM6/7/12
to
In message <529bd349ab...@btinternet.com>
Or possibly indicates an organization short of resorces to update web
sites.
Philip.
--
Philip Draper
Phi...@borehamh.demon.co.uk
sites.
Philip.
--
Philip Draper
Phi...@borehamh.demon.co.uk
spampling
Jun 7, 2012, 12:23:54 PM6/7/12
to
In article <376efe9b...@o2.co.uk>,
are.
> But try this one as well. (which is linked from the one you say is
> broken).
Quiet in the cheap seats please, when I look at something with two
different browsers - both Windows based) and they don't work then I label
them as broken.
The guys in the office next door get the same response if they produce
something that doesn't work properly in a browser.
I didn't say ALL the links were broken.
--
Steve Pampling
Chris Hughes <ne...@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <529bd349ab...@btinternet.com>
> spampling <spam....@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > 1. The ROL web pages are so broken they convey no real information or
> > impression, except of people who can't finish a job.
> They seem fine here!
You jest - try following a few links and see how many broken items there
> In message <529bd349ab...@btinternet.com>
> spampling <spam....@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > 1. The ROL web pages are so broken they convey no real information or
> > impression, except of people who can't finish a job.
> They seem fine here!
are.
> But try this one as well. (which is linked from the one you say is
> broken).
different browsers - both Windows based) and they don't work then I label
them as broken.
The guys in the office next door get the same response if they produce
something that doesn't work properly in a browser.
I didn't say ALL the links were broken.
--
Steve Pampling
spampling
Jun 7, 2012, 12:25:53 PM6/7/12
to
In article <dd900e9c...@borehamh.demon.co.uk>,
After a few months of no change that might just possibly wash, when it
stretches out to longer periods - no sorry, just a fail.
--
Steve Pampling
stretches out to longer periods - no sorry, just a fail.
--
Steve Pampling
Stuart
Jun 7, 2012, 6:37:48 PM6/7/12
to
In article <529c2d08ca...@btinternet.com>,
quid, I think they have problems.
*Not strictly RO Ltd but Paul Middleton via his Uniqueway outfit - looks
like he still is:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Acorn-Computers-RISC-OS-Six-Select-6i1-Dec-2009-Upgrade-CD-/360460818121?pt=UK_Computing_Software_Software_SR&hash=item53ed2396c9
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spampling <spam....@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > Or possibly indicates an organization short of resorces to update web
> > sites.
> After a few months of no change that might just possibly wash, when it
> stretches out to longer periods - no sorry, just a fail.
Bearing in mind they* were recently selling RO6 CDs on ebay for fifteen
> > Or possibly indicates an organization short of resorces to update web
> > sites.
> After a few months of no change that might just possibly wash, when it
> stretches out to longer periods - no sorry, just a fail.
quid, I think they have problems.
*Not strictly RO Ltd but Paul Middleton via his Uniqueway outfit - looks
like he still is:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Acorn-Computers-RISC-OS-Six-Select-6i1-Dec-2009-Upgrade-CD-/360460818121?pt=UK_Computing_Software_Software_SR&hash=item53ed2396c9
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spampling
Jun 8, 2012, 2:42:27 AM6/8/12
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In article <529c4f15...@argonet.co.uk>,
ROL source ==> ROOL
Modify ROL pages to redirect ==>
If ROL can't make money out of it then why not just pass it over to other
people who aren't making money out of it?
--
Steve Pampling
Stuart <Spa...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <529c2d08ca...@btinternet.com>,
> spampling <spam....@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > > Or possibly indicates an organization short of resorces to update web
> > > sites.
> > After a few months of no change that might just possibly wash, when it
> > stretches out to longer periods - no sorry, just a fail.
> Bearing in mind they* were recently selling RO6 CDs on ebay for fifteen
> quid, I think they have problems.
> *Not strictly RO Ltd but Paul Middleton via his Uniqueway outfit - looks
> like he still is:
> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Acorn-Computers-RISC-OS-Six-Select-6i1-Dec-2009-Upgrade-CD-/360460818121?pt=UK_Computing_Software_Software_SR&hash=item53ed2396c9
Ah, so it would seem the logical option now would be:
> In article <529c2d08ca...@btinternet.com>,
> spampling <spam....@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > > Or possibly indicates an organization short of resorces to update web
> > > sites.
> > After a few months of no change that might just possibly wash, when it
> > stretches out to longer periods - no sorry, just a fail.
> Bearing in mind they* were recently selling RO6 CDs on ebay for fifteen
> quid, I think they have problems.
> *Not strictly RO Ltd but Paul Middleton via his Uniqueway outfit - looks
> like he still is:
> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Acorn-Computers-RISC-OS-Six-Select-6i1-Dec-2009-Upgrade-CD-/360460818121?pt=UK_Computing_Software_Software_SR&hash=item53ed2396c9
ROL source ==> ROOL
Modify ROL pages to redirect ==>
If ROL can't make money out of it then why not just pass it over to other
people who aren't making money out of it?
--
Steve Pampling
Stuart
Jun 8, 2012, 8:13:19 AM6/8/12
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In article <529c7b747b...@btinternet.com>,
spampling <spam....@btinternet.com> wrote:
> If ROL can't make money out of it then why not just pass it over to other
> people who aren't making money out of it?
Bloodymindedness?
> If ROL can't make money out of it then why not just pass it over to other
> people who aren't making money out of it?
Jim Lesurf
Jun 8, 2012, 8:55:55 AM6/8/12
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In article <529c99bf...@argonet.co.uk>, Stuart
profit in the future". Argument being: If it costs zero to keep a potential
asset, then hang on in case it turns to gold. Perhaps backed up by thinking
that if someone else *does* want to use it, they can make you an offer.
No idea if that is the thinking in this case, though.
Slainte,
Jim
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<Spa...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <529c7b747b...@btinternet.com>, spampling
> <spam....@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > If ROL can't make money out of it then why not just pass it over to
> > other people who aren't making money out of it?
> Bloodymindedness?
I guess there sometimes tends to be a feeling that "this *might* return a
> In article <529c7b747b...@btinternet.com>, spampling
> <spam....@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > If ROL can't make money out of it then why not just pass it over to
> > other people who aren't making money out of it?
> Bloodymindedness?
profit in the future". Argument being: If it costs zero to keep a potential
asset, then hang on in case it turns to gold. Perhaps backed up by thinking
that if someone else *does* want to use it, they can make you an offer.
No idea if that is the thinking in this case, though.
Slainte,
Jim
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druck
Jun 8, 2012, 3:41:25 PM6/8/12
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On 08/06/2012 13:55, Jim Lesurf wrote:
> In article<529c99bf...@argonet.co.uk>, Stuart
> <Spa...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
>> In article<529c7b747b...@btinternet.com>, spampling
>> <spam....@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>>> If ROL can't make money out of it then why not just pass it over to
>>> other people who aren't making money out of it?
>
>> Bloodymindedness?
>
> I guess there sometimes tends to be a feeling that "this *might* return a
> profit in the future". Argument being: If it costs zero to keep a potential
> asset, then hang on in case it turns to gold. Perhaps backed up by thinking
> that if someone else *does* want to use it, they can make you an offer.
>
> No idea if that is the thinking in this case, though.
I'd put my money (or lack of it) on the first answer.
> In article<529c99bf...@argonet.co.uk>, Stuart
> <Spa...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
>> In article<529c7b747b...@btinternet.com>, spampling
>> <spam....@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>>> If ROL can't make money out of it then why not just pass it over to
>>> other people who aren't making money out of it?
>
>> Bloodymindedness?
>
> I guess there sometimes tends to be a feeling that "this *might* return a
> profit in the future". Argument being: If it costs zero to keep a potential
> asset, then hang on in case it turns to gold. Perhaps backed up by thinking
> that if someone else *does* want to use it, they can make you an offer.
>
> No idea if that is the thinking in this case, though.
---druck
Chris Evans
Jun 13, 2012, 6:07:31 AM6/13/12
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In article <529c99bf...@argonet.co.uk>, Stuart
<URL:mailto:Spa...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <529c7b747b...@btinternet.com>,
> spampling <spam....@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> > If ROL can't make money out of it then why not just pass it over to other
> > people who aren't making money out of it?
>
> Bloodymindedness?
That is a bit simplistic a response.
> In article <529c7b747b...@btinternet.com>,
> spampling <spam....@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> > If ROL can't make money out of it then why not just pass it over to other
> > people who aren't making money out of it?
>
> Bloodymindedness?
It would need 'the majority of the shareholders' to wanted to do what has
been suggested.
I like many put thousands of pounds into keeping RISC OS going by investing
in ROL!
Chris Evans
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Grahame Parish
Jun 13, 2012, 7:21:30 AM6/13/12
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On 13/06/2012 11:07, Chris Evans wrote:
> In article<529c99bf...@argonet.co.uk>, Stuart
> <URL:mailto:Spa...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
>> In article<529c7b747b...@btinternet.com>,
>> spampling<spam....@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If ROL can't make money out of it then why not just pass it over to other
>>> people who aren't making money out of it?
>>
>> Bloodymindedness?
>
> That is a bit simplistic a response.
>
> It would need 'the majority of the shareholders' to wanted to do what has
> been suggested.
>
> I like many put thousands of pounds into keeping RISC OS going by investing
> in ROL!
>
>
> Chris Evans
>
I, like many others, 'invested' hundreds of pounds into the subscription
> In article<529c99bf...@argonet.co.uk>, Stuart
> <URL:mailto:Spa...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
>> In article<529c7b747b...@btinternet.com>,
>> spampling<spam....@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If ROL can't make money out of it then why not just pass it over to other
>>> people who aren't making money out of it?
>>
>> Bloodymindedness?
>
> That is a bit simplistic a response.
>
> It would need 'the majority of the shareholders' to wanted to do what has
> been suggested.
>
> I like many put thousands of pounds into keeping RISC OS going by investing
> in ROL!
>
>
> Chris Evans
>
scheme in order to continue development at a time when I had lost my job
and money was tight. Whilst development continued and there was a
'chance' that Select might extend to the Iyonix it seemed worthwhile,
but I had to cut my losses when it became clear that this would never
happen. I paid many times over the odds for the commercial value of
what I received. I've even contributed again recently by paying for a
ROL licence via RComp's BB support scheme.
From my point of view ROL's work has been to further the commercial
interests of VRPC and the A9Home to the exclusion of the wants and needs
of subscribers. Even the A9Home has stalled for various reasons,
probably not all down to ROL. Please note that this is my personal
opinion and I realise that others may not see it the same way.
It looks from the outside that all development has ceased for some time
now, so perhaps the best return on that investment would be to donate
the code to the ROOL development team to see what can be incorporated
into the ongoing development for new machines for the future so that
what's left of the commercial market has some chance to prosper.
Grahame.
Tony Moore
Jun 13, 2012, 9:11:03 AM6/13/12
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On 13 Jun 2012, Chris Evans <ch...@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <529c99bf...@argonet.co.uk>, Stuart
> <URL:mailto:Spa...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <529c7b747b...@btinternet.com>,
> > spampling <spam....@btinternet.com> wrote:
> >
> > > If ROL can't make money out of it then why not just pass it over
> > > to other people who aren't making money out of it?
> >
> > Bloodymindedness?
>
> That is a bit simplistic a response.
>
> It would need 'the majority of the shareholders' to wanted to do what
> has been suggested.
>
> I like many put thousands of pounds into keeping RISC OS going by
> investing in ROL!
Three years ago, ROL's total assets - current liabilities = (�10,107)
> In article <529c99bf...@argonet.co.uk>, Stuart
> <URL:mailto:Spa...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <529c7b747b...@btinternet.com>,
> > spampling <spam....@btinternet.com> wrote:
> >
> > > If ROL can't make money out of it then why not just pass it over
> > > to other people who aren't making money out of it?
> >
> > Bloodymindedness?
>
> That is a bit simplistic a response.
>
> It would need 'the majority of the shareholders' to wanted to do what
> has been suggested.
>
> I like many put thousands of pounds into keeping RISC OS going by
> investing in ROL!
http://www.filecore.net/riscos/public/rol/ROL_Accounts_2009-01-31.pdf
Tony
Graham Thurlwell
Jun 20, 2012, 9:34:09 PM6/20/12
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On the 7 Jun 2012, Stuart <Spa...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <529c2d08ca...@btinternet.com>,
> spampling <spam....@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>> Or possibly indicates an organization short of resorces to update web
>>> sites.
>> After a few months of no change that might just possibly wash, when it
>> stretches out to longer periods - no sorry, just a fail.
> Bearing in mind they* were recently selling RO6 CDs on ebay for fifteen
> quid, I think they have problems.
> *Not strictly RO Ltd but Paul Middleton via his Uniqueway outfit - looks
> like he still is:
> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Acorn-Computers-RISC-OS-Six-Select-6i1-Dec-2
> 009-Upgrade-CD-/360460818121?pt=UK_Computing_Software_Software_SR&hash
> =item53ed2396c9
Select 6i1 is RISC OS 6.20 (see http://select.riscos.com/RISCOS6/) so
> In article <529c2d08ca...@btinternet.com>,
> spampling <spam....@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>> Or possibly indicates an organization short of resorces to update web
>>> sites.
>> After a few months of no change that might just possibly wash, when it
>> stretches out to longer periods - no sorry, just a fail.
> Bearing in mind they* were recently selling RO6 CDs on ebay for fifteen
> quid, I think they have problems.
> *Not strictly RO Ltd but Paul Middleton via his Uniqueway outfit - looks
> like he still is:
> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Acorn-Computers-RISC-OS-Six-Select-6i1-Dec-2
> 009-Upgrade-CD-/360460818121?pt=UK_Computing_Software_Software_SR&hash
> =item53ed2396c9
that's actually the most recent version of RISC OS 6. £15 is actually
a very good price.
Oddly, the sales page you get to from the ROL website is still listing
6.14 (£49 download, £55 on CD). I have no idea why they haven't made
6.20 available for general purchase earlier.
--
Graham Thurlwell
Jades' First Encounters Site
http://www.jades.org/ffe.htm
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