MPro 3.2 and risc os 5.18 conflict

[John Bryan]

I was looking forward to upgrading to 5.18 having soft loaded it but
then hit the problem with Easy Font Pro, now fixed. Thank you David.

The telephone cable thieves decided to pay us a visit on 4th May.
Openreach restored the audio side within two days but it was not to
house but one for a Mrs Hughes. No broadband but the crossed line has
now been resolved.

When 5.18 is soft loaded Netfetch loads to the icon bar but when
tasked to fetch mail or news just displays resolving and no further.

I have checked the choices in Netfetch, Messenger, Newshound and
Hermes and cannot see anything changed there.

Please can someone point me as to where it is falling down?

All is OK when running OS 5.16 and MPro 3.2

--
John Bryan

[charles]

In article <cbfdbd8e5...@john.bryan86.fsnet.co.uk>,

John Bryan <jo...@bryan86.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> I was looking forward to upgrading to 5.18 having soft loaded it but
> then hit the problem with Easy Font Pro, now fixed. Thank you David.

> The telephone cable thieves decided to pay us a visit on 4th May.
> Openreach restored the audio side within two days but it was not to
> house but one for a Mrs Hughes. No broadband but the crossed line has
> now been resolved.

considering they have 2000 pairs in the cable, I'm surprised that they do
so well, especially with the working conditions. We lost our line due to
cable theives 3 times last summer.

--
From KT24

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18

[Chris Johnson]

In article <cbfdbd8e5...@john.bryan86.fsnet.co.uk>,
John Bryan <jo...@bryan86.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

> When 5.18 is soft loaded Netfetch loads to the icon bar but when
> tasked to fetch mail or news just displays resolving and no further.

Obvious questions:

Is it just mail/news or is web browsing also borked?

Have you checked whether any modules are unplugged? The module order
changes between 5.16 and 5.18.

--
Chris Johnson

[Doug Webb]

In message <cbfdbd8e5...@john.bryan86.fsnet.co.uk>
John Bryan <jo...@bryan86.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:


[snip]

>

> When 5.18 is soft loaded Netfetch loads to the icon bar but when
> tasked to fetch mail or news just displays resolving and no further.

> I have checked the choices in Netfetch, Messenger, Newshound and
> Hermes and cannot see anything changed there.

> Please can someone point me as to where it is falling down?

> All is OK when running OS 5.16 and MPro 3.2

Well it sounds as if NetFetch is having issues rather than MPro.

What version of NetFetch have you got, the latest is 3.65.

Also MPro is now version 6.05.

5.18 has a number of changes and it clears some previous longstanding
bugs with the OS and also tightens up some behaviours. What this can
mean is that a previous programme, such as for example EasyFontPro,
that ran on an earlier version now doesn't as it either relied on an
incorrect behaviour or wasn't correctly defining actions.

--
See and experience the future using ARM Technology - BeagleBoard -xM,
Cortex A8 and RISC OS 5.19.

[John Bryan]

In message <528ec7482dchr...@spamcop.net>

Chris Johnson <chrisjoh...@spamcop.net> wrote:

> In article <cbfdbd8e5...@john.bryan86.fsnet.co.uk>,
> John Bryan <jo...@bryan86.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>> When 5.18 is soft loaded Netfetch loads to the icon bar but when
>> tasked to fetch mail or news just displays resolving and no further.

> Obvious questions:

> Is it just mail/news or is web browsing also borked?

Yes it is just mail/news that baulks - Netsurf 2.9 functions correctly

> Have you checked whether any modules are unplugged? The module order
> changes between 5.16 and 5.18.

I had two modules unplugged - ShareFS & Freeway (I think) but
RMRInited them prior to loading 5.18. There are no modules unplugged
on either 5.16 or 5.18.

--
John Bryan

[John Bryan]

In message <f89cd48e52...@doug.j.webb.btinternet.com>

Doug Webb <doug....@btinternet.com> wrote:

> In message <cbfdbd8e5...@john.bryan86.fsnet.co.uk>
> John Bryan <jo...@bryan86.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:


> [snip]

>>

>> When 5.18 is soft loaded Netfetch loads to the icon bar but when
>> tasked to fetch mail or news just displays resolving and no further.

>> I have checked the choices in Netfetch, Messenger, Newshound and
>> Hermes and cannot see anything changed there.

>> Please can someone point me as to where it is falling down?

>> All is OK when running OS 5.16 and MPro 3.2

> Well it sounds as if NetFetch is having issues rather than MPro.


> What version of NetFetch have you got, the latest is 3.65.

Netfetch is 3.20

> Also MPro is now version 6.05.

Mpro is at 6.05

> 5.18 has a number of changes and it clears some previous longstanding
> bugs with the OS and also tightens up some behaviours. What this can
> mean is that a previous programme, such as for example EasyFontPro,
> that ran on an earlier version now doesn't as it either relied on an
> incorrect behaviour or wasn't correctly defining actions.



--

John Bryan

[Doug Webb]

In message <2673ef8e5...@john.bryan86.fsnet.co.uk>

John Bryan <jo...@bryan86.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

[snip]

>> Well it sounds as if NetFetch is having issues rather than MPro.


>> What version of NetFetch have you got, the latest is 3.65.

> Netfetch is 3.20

OK so it isn't MPro 3.2 as your title suggests but !Netfetch 3.2 ,
they are two entirely different programmes. One is used for email/news
transports the other is the reader.

As we have been told by you you are having issues with the fetching of
mail/news , not reading it, then it really does point to !Netfetch and
one of it's components being the issue. I would contact RComp to
discuss but as !Netfetch 3.65 works here then it sounds like 3.20 may
not be compatible with RISC OS 5.18.

[Martin Bazley]

The following bytes were arranged on 13 May 2012 by John Bryan :

> In message <528ec7482dchr...@spamcop.net>
> Chris Johnson <chrisjoh...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>
> > In article <cbfdbd8e5...@john.bryan86.fsnet.co.uk>,
> > John Bryan <jo...@bryan86.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> >> When 5.18 is soft loaded Netfetch loads to the icon bar but when
> >> tasked to fetch mail or news just displays resolving and no further.
>
> > Obvious questions:
>
> > Is it just mail/news or is web browsing also borked?
>
> Yes it is just mail/news that baulks - Netsurf 2.9 functions correctly

You seem to be very confused. NetSurf is not part of NetFetch, and
neither is Messenger Pro (hence your statement that you are running MPro
3.20 was incorrect). It is therefore unsurprising that both of those
(which you have now explained are both at the latest versions) work.
NetFetch is basically a glorified application launcher.

MPro does not fetch mail or news either. Therefore MPro is just as
irrelevant to this discussion as NetSurf is.

I've never used NetFetch, so I don't know if it actually connects to the
Internet itself, but it also doesn't fetch its own mail or news - the
applications which do that are called Hermes and NewsHound respectively.
What it should be doing when you ask it to fetch mail or news is running
one of those applications, but it sounds as if it isn't getting that
far.

Does the Hermes icon (red rectangle) or NewsHound icon (dog) appear on
the icon bar when you ask NetFetch to fetch mail or news?

I'm inclined to agree with everyone else that you really should upgrade
to NetFetch 3.65 before stating it doesn't work.

--
__<^>__ "Start off every day with a smile and get it over with."
/ _ _ \ - W.C. Fields
( ( |_| ) )
\_> <_/ ======================= Martin Bazley ==========================

[Dave Wisnia at home]

In message <50511a8f52...@doug.j.webb.btinternet.com>

Doug Webb <doug....@btinternet.com> wrote:

> In message <2673ef8e5...@john.bryan86.fsnet.co.uk>
> John Bryan <jo...@bryan86.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

> [snip]


>>> Well it sounds as if NetFetch is having issues rather than MPro.


>>> What version of NetFetch have you got, the latest is 3.65.

>> Netfetch is 3.20


> OK so it isn't MPro 3.2 as your title suggests but !Netfetch 3.2 ,
> they are two entirely different programmes. One is used for email/news
> transports the other is the reader.

> As we have been told by you you are having issues with the fetching of
> mail/news , not reading it, then it really does point to !Netfetch and
> one of it's components being the issue. I would contact RComp to
> discuss but as !Netfetch 3.65 works here then it sounds like 3.20 may
> not be compatible with RISC OS 5.18.

I have ROS 5.18, Netfetch 3.2 and Mpro 6.05 - all working fine.


--
With very best wishes
Dave Wisnia

[charles]

In article <83b6278f...@blueyonder.co.uk>,

I'm using Netfetch 3.40 on my Iyonix 5.18 without any problems. Mind you,
I'm using Pluto for emails.

[Steve Fryatt]

On 13 May, charles wrote in message
<528f2c0b...@charleshope.demon.co.uk>:

Or at least *talk* *to* *R-Comp*.

> I'm using Netfetch 3.40 on my Iyonix 5.18 without any problems. Mind you,
> I'm using Pluto for emails.

The M-Pro/Pluto issue has no bearing on this.

Hermes seems to be unable to resolve addresses, but what hasn't been
determined is whether it's unhappy with the Resolver on 5.18 or because
John's settings for the Resolver have been broken by his broadband troubles.

NetSurf doesn't rely on the Resolver, IIRC -- which is probably why it still
works.

--
Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England

http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/

[Alan Wrigley]

Martin Bazley <martin...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

> The following bytes were arranged on 13 May 2012 by John Bryan :
>
> > In message <528ec7482dchr...@spamcop.net>
> > Chris Johnson <chrisjoh...@spamcop.net> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <cbfdbd8e5...@john.bryan86.fsnet.co.uk>,
> > > John Bryan <jo...@bryan86.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> > >> When 5.18 is soft loaded Netfetch loads to the icon bar but when
> > >> tasked to fetch mail or news just displays resolving and no further.
> >
> > > Obvious questions:
> >
> > > Is it just mail/news or is web browsing also borked?
> >
> > Yes it is just mail/news that baulks - Netsurf 2.9 functions correctly
>

> MPro does not fetch mail or news either. Therefore MPro is just as
> irrelevant to this discussion as NetSurf is.

Wrong. NetSurf is totally relevant to this discussion. The OP was asked
whether it was just mail/news that failed or whether browsing suffered too.
The fact that NS works is highly relevant.

> I'm inclined to agree with everyone else that you really should upgrade
> to NetFetch 3.65 before stating it doesn't work.

There is absolutely no reason why NF 3.20 should fail to work. The original
post said that it stopped at the point of resolving. When NF 3.20 works on
RO 5.16 but not on 5.18 we need to establish why it should be suddenly
unable to resolve. What has changed in 5.18 that might cause this?

Alan

--
RISC OS - you know it makes cents

[Chris Johnson]

In article <83b6278f...@blueyonder.co.uk>,
Martin Bazley <martin...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

> is just as
> irrelevant to this discussion as NetSurf is.

I originally asked about web browsing. The point about Web browsing
is that it works ok - however, on reflection I think Netsurf uses its
own resolver code, so this doesn't prove that the OS resolver module
is working ok. I guess one should try pinging eg the bbc web site.
The original description of the problem implied that a news/mail
fetch failed to resolve. The common thing between mail and news
fetching is the resolving although the apps are different - Hermes
being used to fetch mail and NewsHound for news.

I am using NewsHound v. 1.50-32 (21 May 06) and that works fine with
5.18 and 5.19 versions of RISC OS (on an Iyonix).

Hermes v. 2.56 (26 Sep 2009) is fine also with 5.18/5.19.

Go in to !NetFetch.Apps.!NewsHound.Config.Config and make sure the
following settings are set, saving the file if changes are made (you
can change them back afterwards).

QuitOnFinish: No
NoIcon: No

Then run !NewsHound manually and initiate a fetch. What happens? What
does the NewsHound log say? The location of the log depends on
whether you have !SysLog in !Boot.Resources or it is using the
version internal to NetFetch.

You can also try checking the Hermes Errorlog, found in
!NetFetch.Apps.!Hermes.Logs.ErrorLog. What do recent entries say?

--
Chris Johnson

[Alan Wrigley]

John Bryan <jo...@bryan86.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

> When 5.18 is soft loaded Netfetch loads to the icon bar but when
> tasked to fetch mail or news just displays resolving and no further.

This used to happen frequently with my Risc PC. The solution I adopted when
it occurred was to execute the command
*RmReinit Resolver
at the command line, and the fetch immediately sprang into life. I can't
imagine that this same problem has re-appeared in 5.18 when earlier versions
of 5 are fine, but it might be worth just trying this little fix and see if
anything happens.

[charles]

In article <mpro.m3yj9g01...@stevefryatt.org.uk>,

Steve Fryatt <ne...@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
> On 13 May, charles wrote in message
> <528f2c0b...@charleshope.demon.co.uk>:

> > In article <83b6278f...@blueyonder.co.uk>,
> > Martin Bazley <martin...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > I'm inclined to agree with everyone else that you really should
> > > upgrade to NetFetch 3.65 before stating it doesn't work.

> Or at least *talk* *to* *R-Comp*.
>
> > I'm using Netfetch 3.40 on my Iyonix 5.18 without any problems. Mind
> > you, I'm using Pluto for emails.

> The M-Pro/Pluto issue has no bearing on this.

I'm sure it hasn't but it seemed, to me, sensible to mention it.

> Hermes seems to be unable to resolve addresses, but what hasn't been
> determined is whether it's unhappy with the Resolver on 5.18 or because
> John's settings for the Resolver have been broken by his broadband
> troubles.

> NetSurf doesn't rely on the Resolver, IIRC -- which is probably why it
> still works.

--

[Doug Webb]

In message <gemini.m3yk73006ap7u0220.spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyou
rself.co.uk>
Alan Wrigley <spam...@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk>
wrote:


[snip]

>>

> There is absolutely no reason why NF 3.20 should fail to work. The original
> post said that it stopped at the point of resolving. When NF 3.20 works on
> RO 5.16 but not on 5.18 we need to establish why it should be suddenly
> unable to resolve. What has changed in 5.18 that might cause this?

> Alan

Well as Dave Wisnia has stated the following:

"Dave Wisnia at home wrote:
I have ROS 5.18, Netfetch 3.2 and Mpro 6.05 - all working fine."

Then it becomes one of what is different about John's set up as Dave
implies the same versions of the programmes work on his set up with
RISC OS 5.18.

As also Steve Fryatt stated

"but what hasn't been determined is whether it's unhappy with the
Resolver on 5.18 or because John's settings for the Resolver have been
broken by his broadband troubles"

Further points to something in specific with John's set up.

Out of interest I wonder if John updated his !Boot set up when going
to 5.18 via the ROOL site as there could be something in that as well.

--
Using an IYONIX pc and RISC OS 5.19, the thinking person's alternative
operating system to Microsoft Windows.

[Brian Carroll]

In article
<gemini.m3ykmz006m...@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk>,
Alan Wrigley <spam...@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk>
wrote:

> John Bryan <jo...@bryan86.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

> > When 5.18 is soft loaded Netfetch loads to the icon bar but
> > when tasked to fetch mail or news just displays resolving
> > and no further.

> This used to happen frequently with my Risc PC. The solution I
> adopted when it occurred was to execute the command *RmReinit
> Resolver at the command line, and the fetch immediately sprang

> into life. [...]

I too occasionally use this trick on RiscPC, but found it works
more consistently if the Resolver module is killed first. So I
keep this little obey file handy:

|Stop the resolver module, whatever version is active
RMKill Resolver

|Start the latest version of Resolver, normally in ROM
RMReinit Resolver

Brian.

--
______________________________________________________________

Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire, UK
______________________________________________________________

[patric aristide]

On 2012-05-13, Alan Wrigley wrote:
> John Bryan <jo...@bryan86.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> When 5.18 is soft loaded Netfetch loads to the icon bar but when
>> tasked to fetch mail or news just displays resolving and no further.
>
> This used to happen frequently with my Risc PC. The solution I adopted when
> it occurred was to execute the command
> *RmReinit Resolver

> at the command line, and the fetch immediately sprang into life. I can't
> imagine that this same problem has re-appeared in 5.18 when earlier versions
> of 5 are fine, but it might be worth just trying this little fix and see if
> anything happens.
>
> Alan
>

Not much help I'm afraid but NetFetch doesn't work for me either.
Having previously spend hours on manually going through mail in order to make
Mpro's life easier Ithought I'd give it another try following recent updates.
Ended up deleting and re-installing both. Even with a mint install I quickly
ran into problems, some specific to the OMAP port.
Performance is abysmal due to USB storage. Couldn't remember how to tell
Newshound not to download all news since the earth was young.
Can't say I'm happy with the default MsgDir location either.
Every fetch brings RISC OS to a grinding halt, lasting twenty seconds to
minutes. After a day Hermes stopped working and requires AltBreak.
As both are commercial software, worth about 70 quid, I'm slightly annoyed.

Back to using pine/fetchmail via Nettle for the time being

Patric
(not using Mpro 6.05; NetFetch 3.65 on RISC OS 5.19 for the BB-xM)
--
GL

[John Bryan]

In message <528f2f2922chr...@spamcop.net>

For the record
Netfetch is ver. 3.20
Hermes 2.20 (14 Mar 2008)
Newshound v1.5-32 (21-May-06)
MessengerPro 6.05 (19 Apr 2012)

Thank you Chris I have carried out your instructions and the Syslog
for Newshound is in !Boot.Choices and reports

Under 5.16
13 May 12:58:22 050 Newsfetch complete. Received 9 articles, 24950
bytes (24950 cps) in 1 seconds.

Under 5.18
13 May 13:57:55 000 Error : Could not resolve newsserver hostname

--
John Bryan

[Doug Webb]

In message <slrn3vfsjqv...@odin.sdf-eu.org>
patric aristide <ti...@sdf-eu.org> wrote:


[snip]

>>
>>

> Not much help I'm afraid but NetFetch doesn't work for me either.
> Having previously spend hours on manually going through mail in order to make
> Mpro's life easier Ithought I'd give it another try following recent updates.
> Ended up deleting and re-installing both. Even with a mint install I quickly
> ran into problems, some specific to the OMAP port.
> Performance is abysmal due to USB storage. Couldn't remember how to tell
> Newshound not to download all news since the earth was young.
> Can't say I'm happy with the default MsgDir location either.
> Every fetch brings RISC OS to a grinding halt, lasting twenty seconds to
> minutes. After a day Hermes stopped working and requires AltBreak.
> As both are commercial software, worth about 70 quid, I'm slightly annoyed.

> Back to using pine/fetchmail via Nettle for the time being

> Patric
> (not using Mpro 6.05; NetFetch 3.65 on RISC OS 5.19 for the BB-xM)

Patric

Sorry to hear you have issues but that is not my experience as mine
runs well with my Beagleboard, RISC OS 5.16, Netfetch 3.65 and MPro
6.05.

Occasionally a rather large download will make things slow up and I do
have a 120GB hard drive and not a pen drive as my hard disc.

[Chris Johnson]

In article <16643b8f5...@john.bryan86.fsnet.co.uk>,

John Bryan <jo...@bryan86.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> Under 5.16
> 13 May 12:58:22 050 Newsfetch complete. Received 9 articles, 24950
> bytes (24950 cps) in 1 seconds.

> Under 5.18
> 13 May 13:57:55 000 Error : Could not resolve newsserver hostname

This is pointing the finger strongly at resolver problems. These are
not general for 5.18/5.19 so the problem is close to home. Maybe
there is a problem during boot causing the internet setup not to
complete correctly.

In a taskwindow (ctrl-F12) do *RomModules.

On 5.18 the Resolver module is no. 94, version 0.69 and should be
active.

Next do a *show inet*

You should see a number of variables - the important ones are (these
are taken from my setup):

Inet$ResolverDelay : 5
Inet$ResolverRetries : 3
Inet$Resolvers : 192.168.0.1

You will also have entries:

inet$NNTPserver : news.plus.net
inet$SMTPserver : relay.plus.net

Do your entries make sense (your news and mail servers will depend on
your ISP)?

Others to check are the paths (again insert your own drive name):

Inet$Path : ADFS::Dorset1.$.!BOOT.Resources.!Internet.
Inet$Startup : Choices:Internet.Startup
InetDBase$Path : ADFS::Dorset1.$.!BOOT.Resources.!Internet.files.
InetSetup$Dir : ADFS::Dorset1.$.!BOOT.Resources.Configure.!InetSetup

There are a number of other inet sysvars, but as eg NetSurf works,
these should all be set up correctly.

Is there anything suspicious in your settings?

--
Chris Johnson

[Doug Webb]

In message <16643b8f5...@john.bryan86.fsnet.co.uk>

John Bryan <jo...@bryan86.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

[snip]

>> You can also try checking the Hermes Errorlog, found in
>> !NetFetch.Apps.!Hermes.Logs.ErrorLog. What do recent entries say?

> For the record
> Netfetch is ver. 3.20
> Hermes 2.20 (14 Mar 2008)
> Newshound v1.5-32 (21-May-06)
> MessengerPro 6.05 (19 Apr 2012)

> Thank you Chris I have carried out your instructions and the Syslog
> for Newshound is in !Boot.Choices and reports

> Under 5.16
> 13 May 12:58:22 050 Newsfetch complete. Received 9 articles, 24950
> bytes (24950 cps) in 1 seconds.

> Under 5.18
> 13 May 13:57:55 000 Error : Could not resolve newsserver hostname

So this looks like Newshound having issues rather than Hermes.

There is a newer version of Newshound from Dec 2010 at:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/riscosnet/files/releases/


Though it does not mention any issues with 5.18 you could try updating
your copy of Newshound with !Netfetch > Apps and see what happens
though make a backup first.

Also what have you got your newserver name set up for within Netfetch?

[Chris Johnson]

In article <3a31438f52...@btinternet.com>,

Doug Webb <doug....@btinternet.com> wrote:
> There is a newer version of Newshound from Dec 2010 at:

> http://sourceforge.net/projects/riscosnet/files/releases/

As far as I know this update was to allow the command NEWGROUPS to be
turned off, which was causing problems with some providers. Since it
works fine on 5.16, it should be possible to dismiss ISP changes.

--
Chris Johnson

[Chris Johnson]

In article <3a31438f52...@btinternet.com>,
Doug Webb <doug....@btinternet.com> wrote:

> So this looks like Newshound having issues rather than Hermes.

Doesn't follow, neither News nor Mail agent is able to resolve.

--
Chris Johnson

[John Bryan]

In message <5344378f52...@btinternet.com>

Doug Webb <doug....@btinternet.com> wrote:

> In message <gemini.m3yk73006ap7u0220.spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyou
> rself.co.uk>
> Alan Wrigley <spam...@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk>
> wrote:


> [snip]

> "Dave Wisnia at home wrote:
> I have ROS 5.18, Netfetch 3.2 and Mpro 6.05 - all working fine."

> Then it becomes one of what is different about John's set up as Dave
> implies the same versions of the programmes work on his set up with
> RISC OS 5.18.

> As also Steve Fryatt stated

> "but what hasn't been determined is whether it's unhappy with the
> Resolver on 5.18 or because John's settings for the Resolver have been
> broken by his broadband troubles"

> Further points to something in specific with John's set up.

> Out of interest I wonder if John updated his !Boot set up when going
> to 5.18 via the ROOL site as there could be something in that as well.

Thank you Dave Wisnia for the reassurance that the versions of
software should work.

To answer you Doug I have not updated boot but I am beginning to think
that it is some thing in there that is causing the problem.

Over time I have added/modified under instruction from various sources
when upgrading software. I have unplug toolbox in there to enable
!Transient to work - it needing a version a 1.71 of something for
example.

I could start from scratch with a clean boot and add a component in
one at a time, soft loading 5.18 each time, this could take months....
--
John Bryan

[John Bryan]

In message <528f42e7d3chr...@spamcop.net>

Chris Johnson <chrisjoh...@spamcop.net> wrote:

> In article <16643b8f5...@john.bryan86.fsnet.co.uk>,
> John Bryan <jo...@bryan86.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>> Under 5.16
>> 13 May 12:58:22 050 Newsfetch complete. Received 9 articles, 24950
>> bytes (24950 cps) in 1 seconds.

>> Under 5.18
>> 13 May 13:57:55 000 Error : Could not resolve newsserver hostname

> This is pointing the finger strongly at resolver problems. These are
> not general for 5.18/5.19 so the problem is close to home. Maybe
> there is a problem during boot causing the internet setup not to
> complete correctly.

> In a taskwindow (ctrl-F12) do *RomModules.

> On 5.18 the Resolver module is no. 94, version 0.69 and should be
> active.

> Next do a *show inet*

{SNIP}

> There are a number of other inet sysvars, but as eg NetSurf works,
> these should all be set up correctly.

> Is there anything suspicious in your settings?

I have done as you request and the Resolver is
module 94 ver 0.69 active in OS 5.18

All the paths are the same except:
on OS 5.16 I have
Inet$LocalAddr: fe156b01 AND
Inet$LocalAddr1: fe156b01

on OS 5.18 I have only
Inet$LocalAddr: fe156b01

Could it be that Netfetch via Newshound uses the Inet$LocalAddr1: path
name under 5.16 and be the gremlin in the cupboard?

If it is how do I reset Netfetch/Newshound/Hermes to correct it?
--
John Bryan

[Doug Webb]

In message <528f465550chr...@spamcop.net>

Well John did post the deatisl below in his last post and unless there
are some other details missing in any posts then it just looks like
newserver failing to resolve.

"> Under 5.18
> 13 May 13:57:55 000 Error : Could not resolve newsserver hostname"

Agree "show inet*" should confirm things and also unlikley Dec10
version of Newshound will make any differnce but until you try how do
you know as I know of many software related issues, though my work,
that go away with latest versions even undocumented issues.

[Doug Webb]

In message <e0b44a8f5...@john.bryan86.fsnet.co.uk>

John Bryan <jo...@bryan86.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:


[snip]

> on OS 5.18 I have only
> Inet$LocalAddr: fe156b01

John I only have and "Inet$localAddr" setting here on 5.18.

> Could it be that Netfetch via Newshound uses the Inet$LocalAddr1: path
> name under 5.16 and be the gremlin in the cupboard?


> If it is how do I reset Netfetch/Newshound/Hermes to correct it?

Try the Dec10 version of Newshound for the address in a previous post
and then see what happens.

[Steve Fryatt]

On 13 May, Doug Webb wrote in message
<18cd4e8f52...@btinternet.com>:

> In message <e0b44a8f5...@john.bryan86.fsnet.co.uk>
> John Bryan <jo...@bryan86.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > If it is how do I reset Netfetch/Newshound/Hermes to correct it?
>
> Try the Dec10 version of Newshound for the address in a previous post and
> then see what happens.

Let's not break anything else, shall we? I'd be inclined to try and
understand the issue with Resolver first, and then look at updating
NewsHound only if that fails.

[Steve Fryatt]

On 13 May, Doug Webb wrote in message

<3e604e8f52...@btinternet.com>:

> In message <528f465550chr...@spamcop.net>
> Chris Johnson <chrisjoh...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>
> > In article <3a31438f52...@btinternet.com>,
> > Doug Webb <doug....@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > > So this looks like Newshound having issues rather than Hermes.
>
> > Doesn't follow, neither News nor Mail agent is able to resolve.
>
> Well John did post the deatisl below in his last post and unless there are
> some other details missing in any posts then it just looks like newserver
> failing to resolve.

Why? Hermes doesn't log to SysLog (for whatever reason), so errors from
that would go elsewhere. We need to also know what's in the Hermes log file
to know if it's just NewsHound.

> "> Under 5.18
> > 13 May 13:57:55 000 Error : Could not resolve newsserver hostname"
>
> Agree "show inet*" should confirm things and also unlikley Dec10 version
> of Newshound will make any differnce but until you try how do you know as
> I know of many software related issues, though my work, that go away with
> latest versions even undocumented issues.

Um. As the person who created the December 10 version of NewsHound, I think
it unlikely to have *any* bearing on this. The update simply allowed the
NEWGROUPS command to be disabled, and did nothing to address resolution.

[Chris Johnson]

John, open a taskwindow and enter

ping www.bbc.co.uk

Press Escape to finish once you have got some sort of response
otherwise it will just keep going.

You should get a response such as

PING www.bbc.net.uk (212.58.246.91): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 212.58.246.91: icmp_seq=0 ttl=54 time=39.688 ms
64 bytes from 212.58.246.91: icmp_seq=1 ttl=54 time=38.730 ms
64 bytes from 212.58.246.91: icmp_seq=2 ttl=54 time=38.521 ms

If instead you get a response unknown host then try

ping 212.58.246.91

That should work without using the resolver to look up the address.

What responses do you get?

--
Chris Johnson

[John Bryan]

In message <528f541579chr...@spamcop.net>

PING www.bbc.net.uk (212.58.244.66): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 212.58.244.66: icmp_seq=0 ttl=52 time=30.670 ms
64 bytes from 212.58.244.66: icmp_seq=1 ttl=52 time=30.831 ms

--- www.bbc.net.uk ping statistics ---
12 packets transmitted, 12 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max = 30.357/30.848/31.301 ms

This seems to be working although addresses slightly different, I live
up in in Yorkshire!
--
John Bryan

[John Bryan]

*In message <528f541579chr...@spamcop.net>

Response when running OS 5.18
*ping www.bbc.co.uk
ping: unknown host www.bbc.co.uk
*ping 212.58.246.91
PING 212.58.246.91 (212.58.246.91): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 212.58.246.91: icmp_seq=0 ttl=53 time=32.378 ms
64 bytes from 212.58.246.91: icmp_seq=1 ttl=53 time=31.871 ms

--- 212.58.246.91 ping statistics ---
6 packets transmitted, 6 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max = 31.724/32.013/32.378 ms

--
John Bryan

[Steve Fryatt]

On 13 May, John Bryan wrote in message
<baea568f5...@john.bryan86.fsnet.co.uk>:

> Response when running OS 5.18
> *ping www.bbc.co.uk
> ping: unknown host www.bbc.co.uk
> *ping 212.58.246.91
> PING 212.58.246.91 (212.58.246.91): 56 data bytes

OK, so that seems to confirm that it's not NewsHound or Hermes, but a more
general problem with the Resolver. In other words, don't mess with
NewsHound or Hermes just yet -- let's try and wort out why name resolution
isn't working on your system (when it clearly does on other people's 5.18
installations, including mine).

What does

*Show Inet$Resolver*

tell you?

[John Bryan]

In message <mpro.m3z20p07...@stevefryatt.org.uk>

Sorry but I missed the part referring to Hermes. Under OS5.18 neither
Newshound or Hermes get out to the world. both of them cannot resolve
the address. Further Chris Johnson asked if I could ping www.bbc.co.uk
which also fails but pings to 219.64....etc do return info.

Under 5.18 using Netsurf 2.9 I can access web sites as I have just
tried www.east-london-textiles.com from a charity bag and I have
definately never been there before so It cannot be stored on my
machine anywhere.

I have to reboot from 5.18 back to 5.16 to send these messages and
developing a routine to check which OS version I am in at the time.
--
John Bryan

[John Bryan]

In message <mpro.m3z4zl09...@stevefryatt.org.uk>

Under OS 5.16
*show inet$resolver
*show inet$resolver*
Inet$ResolverDelay : 5
Inet$ResolverRetries : 3
Inet$Resolvers : 10.0.0.2
*

Under OS 5.18
*show inet$resolver*
Inet$ResolverDelay : 5
Inet$ResolverRetries : 3
Inet$Resolvers : 10.0.0.2
*


--
John Bryan

[Alan Wrigley]

John Bryan <jo...@bryan86.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

> Inet$Resolvers : 10.0.0.2

and earlier:

> on OS 5.18 I have only
> Inet$LocalAddr: fe156b01

Doesn't sound right to me.

[Doug Webb]

In message <mpro.m3z22q08...@stevefryatt.org.uk>

Steve Fryatt <ne...@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:

> On 13 May, Doug Webb wrote in message
> <18cd4e8f52...@btinternet.com>:

>> In message <e0b44a8f5...@john.bryan86.fsnet.co.uk>
>> John Bryan <jo...@bryan86.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> If it is how do I reset Netfetch/Newshound/Hermes to correct it?
>>
>> Try the Dec10 version of Newshound for the address in a previous post and
>> then see what happens.

> Let's not break anything else, shall we? I'd be inclined to try and
> understand the issue with Resolver first, and then look at updating
> NewsHound only if that fails.

Agree, now John has given the other information re !Hermes it then
becomes one of what is different between the set up for someone using
the same software versions and John's set up.

[Ron Briscoe]

Hi all,

If John would like to follow the following steps it may solve his problem.

1.) Bring up the 'Configuration' window (On RISC OS 5.18 of course.)

2.) Click on 'Network'.

3.) Click on 'Internet'.

4.) Save a copy of 'User options' to a safe place.

5.) Shift click on 'User options'.

6.) Change RMEnsure Resolver 0.XX to 0.69

7.) Save the changes (StrongED, Zap whatever.

8.) Close the 'Internet configuration' window and click on save for the
'Network configuration' box. This will bring up a reset now or later choice,
I would choose the reset later option and close down normally.

Upon restarting everything should be ok.

Regards Ron.

[Chris Johnson]

In article <baea568f5...@john.bryan86.fsnet.co.uk>,

John Bryan <jo...@bryan86.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> Response when running OS 5.18
> *ping www.bbc.co.uk
> ping: unknown host www.bbc.co.uk
> *ping 212.58.246.91
> PING 212.58.246.91 (212.58.246.91): 56 data bytes
> 64 bytes from 212.58.246.91: icmp_seq=0 ttl=53 time=32.378 ms

Well, it certainly looks like resolver trouble. Are you absolutely
sure that all the inet* sysvars are identical under 5.16 and 5.18?

It looks as if there is a problem in boot with running all the inet
related stuff, possibly due to some other file in eg
Choices.Boot.Predesk preventing the running of SetupNet, and hence
choices:internet.startup, which initialises the resolver module.

However, if all the inet* sysvars are set up as normal, then these
various files must be being run.

--
Chris Johnson

[John Bryan]

In message <528f67cc73...@blueyonder.co.uk>

Thank you THANK YOU THANK YOU Ron

This has indeed solved the problem on a soft load of OS 5.18
I can now right click on the Newshound icon or Transfer mail icon in
the panel and away it goes retrieving news and mail. Brilliant thanks
once again. What do I do with the saved User options? :-)


--
John Bryan

[Doug Webb]

In message <a8b26e8f5...@john.bryan86.fsnet.co.uk>

John Bryan <jo...@bryan86.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

> In message <528f67cc73...@blueyonder.co.uk>
> Ron Briscoe <ron.b...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

[snip]

>> 4.) Save a copy of 'User options' to a safe place.

>> 5.) Shift click on 'User options'.

>> 6.) Change RMEnsure Resolver 0.XX to 0.69

[snip]

> Thank you THANK YOU THANK YOU Ron

> This has indeed solved the problem on a soft load of OS 5.18
> I can now right click on the Newshound icon or Transfer mail icon in
> the panel and away it goes retrieving news and mail. Brilliant thanks
> once again. What do I do with the saved User options? :-)

Glad to here it has been sorted John and Ron has made a great
suggestion that proves it was resolver related but this does seem
imply something isn't right with your boot sequence.

Also if Resolver 0.69 isn't available prior to 5.18 then you will not
be able to revert back to an earlier version of RISC OS before 5.18 if
you want or need to.

I have 5.18 running here that load Resolver 0.69 with the User file
showing:

"RMEnsure Resolver 0.55 SetEval Test$Eval 0"

--
See and experience the future using ARM Technology - BeagleBoard -xM,
Cortex A8 and RISC OS 5.19.

[Steve Fryatt]

On 14 May, Doug Webb wrote in message
<3ee99a8f52...@doug.j.webb.btinternet.com>:

> Glad to here it has been sorted John and Ron has made a great suggestion
> that proves it was resolver related but this does seem imply something
> isn't right with your boot sequence.
>
> Also if Resolver 0.69 isn't available prior to 5.18 then you will not be
> able to revert back to an earlier version of RISC OS before 5.18 if you
> want or need to.
>
> I have 5.18 running here that load Resolver 0.69 with the User file
> showing:
>
> "RMEnsure Resolver 0.55 SetEval Test$Eval 0"

It sounds as if it might be time to check that there aren't any errors in
the boot sequence. Try

http://www.wrocc.org.uk/howto/article.php?id=bootlog

for one way to do it.

[John Bryan]

In message <3ee99a8f52...@doug.j.webb.btinternet.com>

Prior to Ron's suggestion I did note that Resolver was version 0.69
under OS 5.16 and OS 5.18. I am wondering if the solution lies in
resetting from the Internet panel.

I will post the pre and post reset User options along with the Show
Inet* results later today.

I agree with you observation with regard to the Boot sequence and as I
mentioned earlier in the thread that it has "developed" over many
upgrades and installs, but I am somewhat wary as in a slip up here
could cause a huge headache.

--
John Bryan

[Ron Briscoe]

In article <a8b26e8f5...@john.bryan86.fsnet.co.uk>,
John Bryan <jo...@bryan86.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

[Snip steppy bits.]

> Thank you THANK YOU THANK YOU Ron

Pleased to be of use ;-)).

> This has indeed solved the problem on a soft load of OS 5.18
> I can now right click on the Newshound icon or Transfer mail icon in
> the panel and away it goes retrieving news and mail. Brilliant thanks
> once again. What do I do with the saved User options? :-)

Keep them as reference in case you need to revert to an earlier version of
RISC OS 5. Though I personally only ever want to move on to the next version
up :-)).

Regards Ron.