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Jim Lesurf
Oct 21, 2012, 10:37:10 AM10/21/12
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I've been using !FreeTime with ntp2d.mcc.ac.uk as the time server. But a
few days ago this ceased working. Can someone recommend an alternative
source for the time to use with !FreeTime, please?
Slainte,
Jim
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few days ago this ceased working. Can someone recommend an alternative
source for the time to use with !FreeTime, please?
Slainte,
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Brian Howlett
Oct 21, 2012, 11:24:03 AM10/21/12
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On 21 Oct, Jim Lesurf wrote:
> I've been using !FreeTime with ntp2d.mcc.ac.uk as the time server. But a
> few days ago this ceased working. Can someone recommend an alternative
> source for the time to use with !FreeTime, please?
If your ISP does not provide a time server, you can use one or more of
> I've been using !FreeTime with ntp2d.mcc.ac.uk as the time server. But a
> few days ago this ceased working. Can someone recommend an alternative
> source for the time to use with !FreeTime, please?
the ones listed here.
<http://www.pool.ntp.org/zone/uk>
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Jim Lesurf
Oct 21, 2012, 11:54:09 AM10/21/12
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In article <750f31e2...@bhowlett.plus.net>, Brian Howlett
ceased working.
> <http://www.pool.ntp.org/zone/uk>
Just been there and tried servers like 1.uk.pool.ntp.org but I must be
misunderstanding as I can't get any response.
<news-s...@brianhowlett.me.uk> wrote:
> On 21 Oct, Jim Lesurf wrote:
> > I've been using !FreeTime with ntp2d.mcc.ac.uk as the time server. But
> > a few days ago this ceased working. Can someone recommend an
> > alternative source for the time to use with !FreeTime, please?
> If your ISP does not provide a time server, you can use one or more of
> the ones listed here.
The one I mentioned above worked fine until a while ago. No idea why it has
> On 21 Oct, Jim Lesurf wrote:
> > I've been using !FreeTime with ntp2d.mcc.ac.uk as the time server. But
> > a few days ago this ceased working. Can someone recommend an
> > alternative source for the time to use with !FreeTime, please?
> If your ISP does not provide a time server, you can use one or more of
> the ones listed here.
ceased working.
> <http://www.pool.ntp.org/zone/uk>
Just been there and tried servers like 1.uk.pool.ntp.org but I must be
misunderstanding as I can't get any response.
Steve Fryatt
Oct 21, 2012, 12:48:33 PM10/21/12
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On 21 Oct, Jim Lesurf wrote in message
<52e233d...@audiomisc.co.uk>:
> > <http://www.pool.ntp.org/zone/uk>
>
> Just been there and tried servers like 1.uk.pool.ntp.org but I must be
> misunderstanding as I can't get any response.
Are you sure that they work with FreeTime? There are two time protocols,
and FreeTime uses the obscure one.
If it's RISC OS 5, NetTime is a better bet -- and works with pool.ntp.org.
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<52e233d...@audiomisc.co.uk>:
> > <http://www.pool.ntp.org/zone/uk>
>
> Just been there and tried servers like 1.uk.pool.ntp.org but I must be
> misunderstanding as I can't get any response.
and FreeTime uses the obscure one.
If it's RISC OS 5, NetTime is a better bet -- and works with pool.ntp.org.
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Brian Bailey
Oct 21, 2012, 1:12:00 PM10/21/12
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> I've been using !FreeTime with ntp2d.mcc.ac.uk as the time server. But a
> few days ago this ceased working. Can someone recommend an alternative
> source for the time to use with !FreeTime, please?
ntp.pipex.net
Brian
Chris Johnson
Oct 21, 2012, 1:40:17 PM10/21/12
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In article <52e233d...@audiomisc.co.uk>,
to be used.
I also use NetTime rather than FreeTime.
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Chris Johnson
Jim Lesurf <no...@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote:
> Just been there and tried servers like 1.uk.pool.ntp.org but I must
> be misunderstanding as I can't get any response.
I use uk.pool.ntp.org as the server - this allows a range of servbers
> Just been there and tried servers like 1.uk.pool.ntp.org but I must
> be misunderstanding as I can't get any response.
to be used.
I also use NetTime rather than FreeTime.
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Jeremy Nicoll - news posts
Oct 21, 2012, 1:59:05 PM10/21/12
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Jim Lesurf <no...@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote:
> I've been using !FreeTime with ntp2d.mcc.ac.uk as the time server. But a
> few days ago this ceased working. Can someone recommend an alternative
> source for the time to use with !FreeTime, please?
Some routers can be configured to act as a NNTP server on a LAN, collecting
> I've been using !FreeTime with ntp2d.mcc.ac.uk as the time server. But a
> few days ago this ceased working. Can someone recommend an alternative
> source for the time to use with !FreeTime, please?
their time reference from wherever you tell them to. Then your other
machines just have to stay in sync with your own router.
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Chris Shepheard
Oct 21, 2012, 2:25:49 PM10/21/12
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In message <52e233d...@audiomisc.co.uk>
since the failure of ntp2d....
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Jim Lesurf <no...@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote:
>> <http://www.pool.ntp.org/zone/uk>
> Just been there and tried servers like 1.uk.pool.ntp.org but I must be
> misunderstanding as I can't get any response.
I have found that ntp0.uk.uu.net seems to work pretty consistently
>> <http://www.pool.ntp.org/zone/uk>
> Just been there and tried servers like 1.uk.pool.ntp.org but I must be
> misunderstanding as I can't get any response.
since the failure of ntp2d....
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Russell Hafter News
Oct 21, 2012, 3:13:10 PM10/21/12
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In article <52e22cc...@audiomisc.co.uk>, Jim Lesurf
it works most of the time, but not always. fails maybe once
a week?
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<no...@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote:
> I've been using !FreeTime with ntp2d.mcc.ac.uk as the
> time server. But a few days ago this ceased working. Can
> someone recommend an alternative source for the time to
> use with !FreeTime, please?
I am currently using time.nist.gov. I run it on startup and
> I've been using !FreeTime with ntp2d.mcc.ac.uk as the
> time server. But a few days ago this ceased working. Can
> someone recommend an alternative source for the time to
> use with !FreeTime, please?
it works most of the time, but not always. fails maybe once
a week?
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Dave Symes
Oct 21, 2012, 5:13:10 PM10/21/12
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In article <52e233d...@audiomisc.co.uk>,
Dave
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Jim Lesurf <no...@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <750f31e2...@bhowlett.plus.net>, Brian Howlett
> <news-s...@brianhowlett.me.uk> wrote:
> > On 21 Oct, Jim Lesurf wrote:
> > > I've been using !FreeTime with ntp2d.mcc.ac.uk as the time server. But
> > > a few days ago this ceased working. Can someone recommend an
> > > alternative source for the time to use with !FreeTime, please?
> > If your ISP does not provide a time server, you can use one or more of
> > the ones listed here.
> The one I mentioned above worked fine until a while ago. No idea why it has
> ceased working.
> > <http://www.pool.ntp.org/zone/uk>
> Just been there and tried servers like 1.uk.pool.ntp.org but I must be
> misunderstanding as I can't get any response.
> Slainte,
> Jim
The one I'm using with Freetime ATM is: ntp2a.mcc.ac.uk
> In article <750f31e2...@bhowlett.plus.net>, Brian Howlett
> <news-s...@brianhowlett.me.uk> wrote:
> > On 21 Oct, Jim Lesurf wrote:
> > > I've been using !FreeTime with ntp2d.mcc.ac.uk as the time server. But
> > > a few days ago this ceased working. Can someone recommend an
> > > alternative source for the time to use with !FreeTime, please?
> > If your ISP does not provide a time server, you can use one or more of
> > the ones listed here.
> The one I mentioned above worked fine until a while ago. No idea why it has
> ceased working.
> > <http://www.pool.ntp.org/zone/uk>
> Just been there and tried servers like 1.uk.pool.ntp.org but I must be
> misunderstanding as I can't get any response.
> Slainte,
> Jim
Dave
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patric aristide
Oct 21, 2012, 5:49:28 PM10/21/12
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On 2012-10-21, Dave Symes <da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <52e233d...@audiomisc.co.uk>,
> Jim Lesurf <no...@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote:
>> In article <750f31e2...@bhowlett.plus.net>, Brian Howlett
>> <news-s...@brianhowlett.me.uk> wrote:
>> > On 21 Oct, Jim Lesurf wrote:
>
> In article <52e233d...@audiomisc.co.uk>,
> Jim Lesurf <no...@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote:
>> In article <750f31e2...@bhowlett.plus.net>, Brian Howlett
>> <news-s...@brianhowlett.me.uk> wrote:
>> > On 21 Oct, Jim Lesurf wrote:
>
>> > > I've been using !FreeTime with ntp2d.mcc.ac.uk as the time server. But
>> > > a few days ago this ceased working. Can someone recommend an
>> > > alternative source for the time to use with !FreeTime, please?
>
<snip>
>> > > a few days ago this ceased working. Can someone recommend an
>> > > alternative source for the time to use with !FreeTime, please?
>
Not sure about FreeTime but AFAIK you can use a pool of
ntp-servers with NetTime. Rather essential for me to have
a reliable source on my non-battery equipped BB-xM.
Patric
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Alan Dawes
Oct 22, 2012, 5:51:49 AM10/22/12
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In article <52e23d888dchr...@spamcop.net>,
> to be used.
I concur with Chris's suggestion of using a pool of servers rather than
using just one particular time server. It is not unusual for a particular
server to be down for short periods but with the pool of servers there
will always be one working (unless they have all been knocked out!). This
is particularly important if, like me, you are using a BB-xm without
battery which needs the time to be set everytime you boot up.
Alan
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Chris Johnson <chrisjoh...@spamcop.net> wrote:
> In article <52e233d...@audiomisc.co.uk>,
> Jim Lesurf <no...@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote:
> > Just been there and tried servers like 1.uk.pool.ntp.org but I must
> > be misunderstanding as I can't get any response.
> I use uk.pool.ntp.org as the server - this allows a range of servers
> In article <52e233d...@audiomisc.co.uk>,
> Jim Lesurf <no...@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote:
> > Just been there and tried servers like 1.uk.pool.ntp.org but I must
> > be misunderstanding as I can't get any response.
> to be used.
I concur with Chris's suggestion of using a pool of servers rather than
using just one particular time server. It is not unusual for a particular
server to be down for short periods but with the pool of servers there
will always be one working (unless they have all been knocked out!). This
is particularly important if, like me, you are using a BB-xm without
battery which needs the time to be set everytime you boot up.
Alan
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alan....@riscos.org
Using an Acorn RiscPC
Jim Lesurf
Oct 22, 2012, 4:31:15 AM10/22/12
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In article <52e2510...@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes <da...@triffid.co.uk>
wrote:
Thanks to people for the various suggestions. I tried the above first, and
it works OK.
A number of people mentioned NetTime. But no-one has said where I could
find a copy. FreeTime is now OK again, but if someone can give me a URL for
NetTime I'll have a go with it.
wrote:
Thanks to people for the various suggestions. I tried the above first, and
it works OK.
A number of people mentioned NetTime. But no-one has said where I could
find a copy. FreeTime is now OK again, but if someone can give me a URL for
NetTime I'll have a go with it.
Peter Young
Oct 22, 2012, 8:00:05 AM10/22/12
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On 22 Oct 2012 Jim Lesurf <no...@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <52e2510...@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes <da...@triffid.co.uk>
> wrote:
>> The one I'm using with Freetime ATM is: ntp2a.mcc.ac.uk
> Thanks to people for the various suggestions. I tried the above first, and
> it works OK.
> A number of people mentioned NetTime. But no-one has said where I could
> find a copy. FreeTime is now OK again, but if someone can give me a URL for
> NetTime I'll have a go with it.
I was going to say, try
> In article <52e2510...@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes <da...@triffid.co.uk>
> wrote:
>> The one I'm using with Freetime ATM is: ntp2a.mcc.ac.uk
> Thanks to people for the various suggestions. I tried the above first, and
> it works OK.
> A number of people mentioned NetTime. But no-one has said where I could
> find a copy. FreeTime is now OK again, but if someone can give me a URL for
> NetTime I'll have a go with it.
http://www.iyonix.com/updates/beta-software/timekeepers.shtml
but the link there seems to be dead. The module is on the RISC OS Open
site at https://www.riscosopen.org/content/downloads/other-zipfiles
but you have to download the whole of the Hard Disc to get at it, and
the process of unzipping it is tortuous in the extreme. Also, it's far
from intuitive how to use the module, so if someone can tell me it's
legal to do do, I could send Jim my working NetTime setup.
With best wishes,
Peter.
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Dave Plowman (News)
Oct 22, 2012, 8:51:09 AM10/22/12
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In article <52e28f1...@audiomisc.co.uk>,
on Network that gives a time setting thingie in RO4.39
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Jim Lesurf <no...@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote:
> A number of people mentioned NetTime. But no-one has said where I could
> find a copy. FreeTime is now OK again, but if someone can give me a URL
> for NetTime I'll have a go with it.
Have you checked Boot Configure Date and Time? If you open that and click
> A number of people mentioned NetTime. But no-one has said where I could
> find a copy. FreeTime is now OK again, but if someone can give me a URL
> for NetTime I'll have a go with it.
on Network that gives a time setting thingie in RO4.39
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Steve Fryatt
Oct 22, 2012, 8:56:14 AM10/22/12
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On 22 Oct, Peter Young wrote in message
<5139a2e25...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>:
> On 22 Oct 2012 Jim Lesurf <no...@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > A number of people mentioned NetTime. But no-one has said where I could
> > find a copy. FreeTime is now OK again, but if someone can give me a URL
> > for NetTime I'll have a go with it.
>
> I was going to say, try
> http://www.iyonix.com/updates/beta-software/timekeepers.shtml
>
> but the link there seems to be dead. The module is on the RISC OS Open
> site at https://www.riscosopen.org/content/downloads/other-zipfiles but
> you have to download the whole of the Hard Disc to get at it, and the
> process of unzipping it is tortuous in the extreme.
It's been part of the standard RISC OS 5 disc image for a while, now. It's
not enabled by default, though.
> Also, it's far from intuitive how to use the module, so if someone can
> tell me it's legal to do do, I could send Jim my working NetTime setup.
I discussed setting it up in a recent issue of The WROCC -- apologies, but I
don't have time now to dig out the info and post it here (it's on the back
page, in an article on Beagleboards, should someone else have a copy to
hand). It's trivial, though: assuming the up-to-date image mentioned above,
you just add one line into the networking setup in !Boot.
<5139a2e25...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>:
> On 22 Oct 2012 Jim Lesurf <no...@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > A number of people mentioned NetTime. But no-one has said where I could
> > find a copy. FreeTime is now OK again, but if someone can give me a URL
> > for NetTime I'll have a go with it.
>
> I was going to say, try
> http://www.iyonix.com/updates/beta-software/timekeepers.shtml
>
> but the link there seems to be dead. The module is on the RISC OS Open
> site at https://www.riscosopen.org/content/downloads/other-zipfiles but
> you have to download the whole of the Hard Disc to get at it, and the
> process of unzipping it is tortuous in the extreme.
not enabled by default, though.
> Also, it's far from intuitive how to use the module, so if someone can
> tell me it's legal to do do, I could send Jim my working NetTime setup.
don't have time now to dig out the info and post it here (it's on the back
page, in an article on Beagleboards, should someone else have a copy to
hand). It's trivial, though: assuming the up-to-date image mentioned above,
you just add one line into the networking setup in !Boot.
M Harding
Oct 22, 2012, 12:00:21 PM10/22/12
to
> In article <52e233d...@audiomisc.co.uk>,
> Jim Lesurf <no...@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <750f31e2...@bhowlett.plus.net>, Brian Howlett
> > <news-s...@brianhowlett.me.uk> wrote:
> > > On 21 Oct, Jim Lesurf wrote:
> > > > I've been using !FreeTime with ntp2d.mcc.ac.uk as the time
> > > > server. But a few days ago this ceased working. Can someone
> > > > recommend an alternative source for the time to use with
> > > > !FreeTime, please?
> > > If your ISP does not provide a time server, you can use one or
> > > more of the ones listed here.
> > The one I mentioned above worked fine until a while ago. No idea
> > why it has ceased working.
> > > <http://www.pool.ntp.org/zone/uk>
> > Just been there and tried servers like 1.uk.pool.ntp.org but I
> > must be misunderstanding as I can't get any response.
This issue has prompted me to correct my old Kinetic, which uses
> Jim Lesurf <no...@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <750f31e2...@bhowlett.plus.net>, Brian Howlett
> > <news-s...@brianhowlett.me.uk> wrote:
> > > On 21 Oct, Jim Lesurf wrote:
> > > > I've been using !FreeTime with ntp2d.mcc.ac.uk as the time
> > > > server. But a few days ago this ceased working. Can someone
> > > > recommend an alternative source for the time to use with
> > > > !FreeTime, please?
> > > If your ISP does not provide a time server, you can use one or
> > > more of the ones listed here.
> > The one I mentioned above worked fine until a while ago. No idea
> > why it has ceased working.
> > > <http://www.pool.ntp.org/zone/uk>
> > Just been there and tried servers like 1.uk.pool.ntp.org but I
> > must be misunderstanding as I can't get any response.
Freetime because it's used irregularly and liable to drift.
It had been set to use ntp2d.mcc.ac.uk and used to work, then
recently the source stopped. Changing the 2d to 2a has restored it
again. Many thanks to all concerned.
I know that man.ac.uk is Manchester University, but does anyone know
what mcc.ac.uk stands for?
Michael Harding
Rev. Preb. M.D. Harding ris...@mdharding.org.uk
Jeremy Nicoll - news posts
Oct 22, 2012, 12:53:32 PM10/22/12
to
M Harding <ris...@mdharding.org.uk> wrote:
>I know that man.ac.uk is Manchester University, but does anyone know
>what mcc.ac.uk stands for?
Google suggests Manchester Computer Centre...
>I know that man.ac.uk is Manchester University, but does anyone know
>what mcc.ac.uk stands for?
Chris Johnson
Oct 22, 2012, 1:26:12 PM10/22/12
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In article <52e2b838...@mdharding.org.uk>,
M Harding <ris...@mdharding.org.uk> wrote:
> what mcc.ac.uk stands for?
Possibly Manchester computing centre?
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M Harding <ris...@mdharding.org.uk> wrote:
> what mcc.ac.uk stands for?
Possibly Manchester computing centre?
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M Harding
Oct 22, 2012, 3:16:03 PM10/22/12
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In article <mpro.mcb098...@wingsandbeaks.org.uk.invalid>,
Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp....@wingsandbeaks.org.uk>
wrote:
but the references were to people without explaining what the mcc
stood for. I also guessed at Computer Centre but even as an alumnus
(1) I'd not heard of its existence, hence my query. Not an academic
cricketing term then.
(1) Which being interpreted means "After teaching you, we'd rather
like a generous donation please since by now you must be doing
extremely well and have paid off your mortgage".
My thanks to those who explained.
Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp....@wingsandbeaks.org.uk>
wrote:
> M Harding <ris...@mdharding.org.uk> wrote:
> >I know that man.ac.uk is Manchester University, but does anyone
> >know what mcc.ac.uk stands for?
> Google suggests Manchester Computer Centre...
I did check Google (I need an advanced driver's course for Googling!)
> >I know that man.ac.uk is Manchester University, but does anyone
> >know what mcc.ac.uk stands for?
> Google suggests Manchester Computer Centre...
but the references were to people without explaining what the mcc
stood for. I also guessed at Computer Centre but even as an alumnus
(1) I'd not heard of its existence, hence my query. Not an academic
cricketing term then.
(1) Which being interpreted means "After teaching you, we'd rather
like a generous donation please since by now you must be doing
extremely well and have paid off your mortgage".
My thanks to those who explained.
Brian Carroll
Oct 22, 2012, 7:36:39 AM10/22/12
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In article <52e2967ab7...@argonet.co.uk>, Alan Dawes
> > I use uk.pool.ntp.org as the server - this allows a range of
> > servers to be used.
> I concur with Chris's suggestion of using a pool of servers
> rather than using just one particular time server. It is not
> unusual for a particular server to be down for short periods
> but with the pool of servers there will always be one working
> (unless they have all been knocked out!). This is particularly
> important if, like me, you are using a BB-xm without battery
> which needs the time to be set everytime you boot up.
It is also important with RiscPCs that allow setting a networked
time source (in Configure - > Date and Time) because the Boot
sequence will hang indefinitely if a server is not found. I have
had no trouble in this respect since I changed to using a pool
server.
Brian.
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<alan....@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <52e23d888dchr...@spamcop.net>, Chris
> Johnson <chrisjoh...@spamcop.net> wrote:
[ ... ]
> In article <52e23d888dchr...@spamcop.net>, Chris
> Johnson <chrisjoh...@spamcop.net> wrote:
> > I use uk.pool.ntp.org as the server - this allows a range of
> > servers to be used.
> I concur with Chris's suggestion of using a pool of servers
> rather than using just one particular time server. It is not
> unusual for a particular server to be down for short periods
> but with the pool of servers there will always be one working
> (unless they have all been knocked out!). This is particularly
> important if, like me, you are using a BB-xm without battery
> which needs the time to be set everytime you boot up.
time source (in Configure - > Date and Time) because the Boot
sequence will hang indefinitely if a server is not found. I have
had no trouble in this respect since I changed to using a pool
server.
Brian.
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______________________________________________________________
Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire, UK
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M Harding
Oct 22, 2012, 4:07:42 PM10/22/12
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In article <52e2a013ff...@argonet.co.uk>,
the Boot sequence. I've always used the ancient but useful and
reliable Task & Window Organiser (TWO) of Ian Copestake to set up my
computer as I want it. So after the Boot sequence, I click on TWO,
and it's set to run things like FreeTime automatically and arrange my
desktop, leaving me then to choose what else I want to use.
Brian Carroll <bric-...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <52e2967ab7...@argonet.co.uk>, Alan Dawes
> <alan....@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <52e23d888dchr...@spamcop.net>, Chris
> > Johnson <chrisjoh...@spamcop.net> wrote:
> [ ... ]
> > > I use uk.pool.ntp.org as the server - this allows a range of
> > > servers to be used.
> > I concur with Chris's suggestion of using a pool of servers
> > rather than using just one particular time server. It is not
> > unusual for a particular server to be down for short periods
> > but with the pool of servers there will always be one working
> > (unless they have all been knocked out!). This is particularly
> > important if, like me, you are using a BB-xm without battery
> > which needs the time to be set everytime you boot up.
> It is also important with RiscPCs that allow setting a networked
> time source (in Configure - > Date and Time) because the Boot
> sequence will hang indefinitely if a server is not found. I have
> had no trouble in this respect since I changed to using a pool
> server.
I (inadvertently) avoided that pitfall by not having put FreeTime in
> In article <52e2967ab7...@argonet.co.uk>, Alan Dawes
> <alan....@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <52e23d888dchr...@spamcop.net>, Chris
> > Johnson <chrisjoh...@spamcop.net> wrote:
> [ ... ]
> > > I use uk.pool.ntp.org as the server - this allows a range of
> > > servers to be used.
> > I concur with Chris's suggestion of using a pool of servers
> > rather than using just one particular time server. It is not
> > unusual for a particular server to be down for short periods
> > but with the pool of servers there will always be one working
> > (unless they have all been knocked out!). This is particularly
> > important if, like me, you are using a BB-xm without battery
> > which needs the time to be set everytime you boot up.
> It is also important with RiscPCs that allow setting a networked
> time source (in Configure - > Date and Time) because the Boot
> sequence will hang indefinitely if a server is not found. I have
> had no trouble in this respect since I changed to using a pool
> server.
the Boot sequence. I've always used the ancient but useful and
reliable Task & Window Organiser (TWO) of Ian Copestake to set up my
computer as I want it. So after the Boot sequence, I click on TWO,
and it's set to run things like FreeTime automatically and arrange my
desktop, leaving me then to choose what else I want to use.
Dave Higton
Oct 22, 2012, 4:32:33 PM10/22/12
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In message <52e22cc...@audiomisc.co.uk>
rapidly falling into disuse these days. Most people are using ntp
or sntp instead. More and more RFC868 servers are being turned off.
NetTime is your best bet going forward.
Dave
Jim Lesurf <no...@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote:
> I've been using !FreeTime with ntp2d.mcc.ac.uk as the time server. But a
> few days ago this ceased working. Can someone recommend an alternative
> source for the time to use with !FreeTime, please?
FreeTime uses the old Time Protocol (RFC868 on port 37) which is
> I've been using !FreeTime with ntp2d.mcc.ac.uk as the time server. But a
> few days ago this ceased working. Can someone recommend an alternative
> source for the time to use with !FreeTime, please?
rapidly falling into disuse these days. Most people are using ntp
or sntp instead. More and more RFC868 servers are being turned off.
NetTime is your best bet going forward.
Dave
Evan Clark
Oct 22, 2012, 5:44:31 PM10/22/12
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In article <mpro.mcap9a05...@stevefryatt.org.uk>, Steve
> > Also, it's far from intuitive how to use the module, so if
> > someone can tell me it's legal to do do, I could send Jim my
> > working NetTime setup.
> I discussed setting it up in a recent issue of The WROCC --
> apologies, but I don't have time now to dig out the info and post
> it here (it's on the back page, in an article on Beagleboards,
> should someone else have a copy to hand). It's trivial, though:
> assuming the up-to-date image mentioned above, you just add one
> line into the networking setup in !Boot.
This was first discussed on the Iyonix mailing list back in 2005 when
the NetTime module was first made available.
According to the recommendation then, the appropriate location for
the module is !System.500.Modules.Network.NetTime, just as in the
ROOL release.
To kickstart the module at the appropriate time during Boot, add the
following lines to the end of the file !Boot.Choices.Internet.User,
which is run at the end of the network setup process thus avoiding
problems due to the network not being ready:
Set Inet$NTPServer server-name
RMEnsure NetTime 0.00 RMLoad System:Modules.Network.NetTime
'server-name' should, of course, be replaced with your chosen ntp
server.
Evan.
Fryatt <ne...@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
> On 22 Oct, Peter Young wrote in message
> <5139a2e25...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>:
[Snip]
> On 22 Oct, Peter Young wrote in message
> <5139a2e25...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>:
> > Also, it's far from intuitive how to use the module, so if
> > someone can tell me it's legal to do do, I could send Jim my
> > working NetTime setup.
> I discussed setting it up in a recent issue of The WROCC --
> apologies, but I don't have time now to dig out the info and post
> it here (it's on the back page, in an article on Beagleboards,
> should someone else have a copy to hand). It's trivial, though:
> assuming the up-to-date image mentioned above, you just add one
> line into the networking setup in !Boot.
the NetTime module was first made available.
According to the recommendation then, the appropriate location for
the module is !System.500.Modules.Network.NetTime, just as in the
ROOL release.
To kickstart the module at the appropriate time during Boot, add the
following lines to the end of the file !Boot.Choices.Internet.User,
which is run at the end of the network setup process thus avoiding
problems due to the network not being ready:
Set Inet$NTPServer server-name
RMEnsure NetTime 0.00 RMLoad System:Modules.Network.NetTime
'server-name' should, of course, be replaced with your chosen ntp
server.
Evan.
Russell Hafter News
Oct 22, 2012, 5:15:18 PM10/22/12
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In article <fd23d1e25...@my.inbox.com>, Dave Higton
Not if one runs RO 4.02, AIUI.
Somtime ago I downloadd a file called sntp/bin.
Double clicking it brings up a window with the wonderfully
informative message:
usage: sntp[-d] host [!service]
Makes mud look positively transparent.
However, Google "Servers operating RFC868 on port 37" takes
one to
http://www.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/eng/services/time/network_time.htmltime4.nrc.ca
which advises:
Starting March 1, 2011, the old TIME protocol on port
37(RFC-868) will no longer be offered from the NTP servers
below. However a new time service for the old TIME protocol
is now offered from a new server, time4.nrc.ca.
This also works fine, and, as a relatively recently set up
server, should hopefully be around for a bit.
Somtime ago I downloadd a file called sntp/bin.
Double clicking it brings up a window with the wonderfully
informative message:
usage: sntp[-d] host [!service]
Makes mud look positively transparent.
However, Google "Servers operating RFC868 on port 37" takes
one to
http://www.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/eng/services/time/network_time.htmltime4.nrc.ca
which advises:
Starting March 1, 2011, the old TIME protocol on port
37(RFC-868) will no longer be offered from the NTP servers
below. However a new time service for the old TIME protocol
is now offered from a new server, time4.nrc.ca.
This also works fine, and, as a relatively recently set up
server, should hopefully be around for a bit.
Jim Lesurf
Oct 23, 2012, 4:12:33 AM10/23/12
to
In article <52e2a6e...@davenoise.co.uk>, Dave Plowman (News)
click !Boot and choose the configure icon I get no sign of any "Date and
Time". Am I misunderstanding?
<da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <52e28f1...@audiomisc.co.uk>, Jim Lesurf
> <no...@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote:
> > A number of people mentioned NetTime. But no-one has said where I
> > could find a copy. FreeTime is now OK again, but if someone can give
> > me a URL for NetTime I'll have a go with it.
> Have you checked Boot Configure Date and Time? If you open that and
> click on Network that gives a time setting thingie in RO4.39
Here, using Iyonix RO5.16 I'm not sure what the above means. If I double
> In article <52e28f1...@audiomisc.co.uk>, Jim Lesurf
> <no...@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote:
> > A number of people mentioned NetTime. But no-one has said where I
> > could find a copy. FreeTime is now OK again, but if someone can give
> > me a URL for NetTime I'll have a go with it.
> Have you checked Boot Configure Date and Time? If you open that and
> click on Network that gives a time setting thingie in RO4.39
click !Boot and choose the configure icon I get no sign of any "Date and
Time". Am I misunderstanding?
Jim Lesurf
Oct 23, 2012, 4:18:15 AM10/23/12
to
In article <52e2d7b...@ejclark.force9.co.uk>, Evan Clark
above.
> To kickstart the module at the appropriate time during Boot, add the
> following lines to the end of the file !Boot.Choices.Internet.User,
> which is run at the end of the network setup process thus avoiding
> problems due to the network not being ready:
> Set Inet$NTPServer server-name RMEnsure NetTime 0.00 RMLoad
> System:Modules.Network.NetTime
> 'server-name' should, of course, be replaced with your chosen ntp server.
OK, I'll try that. I can't recall reading any previous announcements about
this. Nor did I see any interface for it by running !Boot and looking at
the config icons it shows. Is it there somewhere? (RO5.16). It seems to
have a rather low profile.
<ne...@ejclark.force9.co.uk> wrote:
> According to the recommendation then, the appropriate location for the
> module is !System.500.Modules.Network.NetTime, just as in the ROOL
> release.
Just looked, and that is present on my Iyonix in the location described
> According to the recommendation then, the appropriate location for the
> module is !System.500.Modules.Network.NetTime, just as in the ROOL
> release.
above.
> To kickstart the module at the appropriate time during Boot, add the
> following lines to the end of the file !Boot.Choices.Internet.User,
> which is run at the end of the network setup process thus avoiding
> problems due to the network not being ready:
> Set Inet$NTPServer server-name RMEnsure NetTime 0.00 RMLoad
> System:Modules.Network.NetTime
> 'server-name' should, of course, be replaced with your chosen ntp server.
this. Nor did I see any interface for it by running !Boot and looking at
the config icons it shows. Is it there somewhere? (RO5.16). It seems to
have a rather low profile.
Message has been deleted
Evan Clark
Oct 23, 2012, 5:19:54 AM10/23/12
to
In article <52e311b...@audiomisc.co.uk>, Jim Lesurf
Evan.
<no...@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <52e2d7b...@ejclark.force9.co.uk>, Evan Clark
> <ne...@ejclark.force9.co.uk> wrote:
> > According to the recommendation then, the appropriate location
> > for the module is !System.500.Modules.Network.NetTime, just as in
> > the ROOL release.
> Just looked, and that is present on my Iyonix in the location
> described above.
> > To kickstart the module at the appropriate time during Boot, add
> > the following lines to the end of the file
> > !Boot.Choices.Internet.User, which is run at the end of the
> > network setup process thus avoiding problems due to the network
> > not being ready:
> > Set Inet$NTPServer server-name
> > RMEnsure NetTime 0.00 RMLoad System:Modules.Network.NetTime
> > 'server-name' should, of course, be replaced with your chosen ntp
> > server.
> OK, I'll try that. I can't recall reading any previous
> announcements about this. Nor did I see any interface for it by
> running !Boot and looking at the config icons it shows. Is it there
> somewhere? (RO5.16). It seems to have a rather low profile.
I'm not aware of a configure plug-in for NetTime at present.
> In article <52e2d7b...@ejclark.force9.co.uk>, Evan Clark
> <ne...@ejclark.force9.co.uk> wrote:
> > According to the recommendation then, the appropriate location
> > for the module is !System.500.Modules.Network.NetTime, just as in
> > the ROOL release.
> Just looked, and that is present on my Iyonix in the location
> described above.
> > To kickstart the module at the appropriate time during Boot, add
> > the following lines to the end of the file
> > !Boot.Choices.Internet.User, which is run at the end of the
> > network setup process thus avoiding problems due to the network
> > not being ready:
> > Set Inet$NTPServer server-name
> > RMEnsure NetTime 0.00 RMLoad System:Modules.Network.NetTime
> > 'server-name' should, of course, be replaced with your chosen ntp
> > server.
> OK, I'll try that. I can't recall reading any previous
> announcements about this. Nor did I see any interface for it by
> running !Boot and looking at the config icons it shows. Is it there
> somewhere? (RO5.16). It seems to have a rather low profile.
Evan.
Chris Johnson
Oct 23, 2012, 6:04:03 AM10/23/12
to
In article <52e3113...@audiomisc.co.uk>,
Jim Lesurf <no...@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote:
> Am I misunderstanding?
No - that's Select only.
--
Chris Johnson
Jim Lesurf <no...@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote:
> Am I misunderstanding?
No - that's Select only.
--
Chris Johnson
Dave Plowman (News)
Oct 23, 2012, 7:48:19 AM10/23/12
to
In article <52e3113...@audiomisc.co.uk>,
--
*A person who smiles in the face of adversity probably has a scapegoat *
Jim Lesurf <no...@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote:
> > Have you checked Boot Configure Date and Time? If you open that and
> > click on Network that gives a time setting thingie in RO4.39
> Here, using Iyonix RO5.16 I'm not sure what the above means. If I double
> click !Boot and choose the configure icon I get no sign of any "Date and
> Time". Am I misunderstanding?
I doubt it. Just me not familiar with the 5 variants.
> > Have you checked Boot Configure Date and Time? If you open that and
> > click on Network that gives a time setting thingie in RO4.39
> Here, using Iyonix RO5.16 I'm not sure what the above means. If I double
> click !Boot and choose the configure icon I get no sign of any "Date and
> Time". Am I misunderstanding?
--
*A person who smiles in the face of adversity probably has a scapegoat *
Doug Webb
Oct 23, 2012, 7:57:42 AM10/23/12
to
In message <52e31b6f6echr...@spamcop.net>
contains a Time/Date plug in that interacts with Nettime and does the
setting up including time servers etc.
Otherwise you have to manually edit the User Options fiel in the
Internet setup or place your own Obey file in !Boot.Choices..
The Select version is a different module/configuration plug in.
--
See and experience the future using ARM Technology - BeagleBoard -xM,
Cortex A8 and RISC OS 5.19.
Chris Johnson <chrisjoh...@spamcop.net> wrote:
> In article <52e3113...@audiomisc.co.uk>,
> Jim Lesurf <no...@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote:
>> Am I misunderstanding?
> No - that's Select only.
The latest ROOL !Boot/Disc image, available from their website,
> In article <52e3113...@audiomisc.co.uk>,
> Jim Lesurf <no...@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote:
>> Am I misunderstanding?
> No - that's Select only.
contains a Time/Date plug in that interacts with Nettime and does the
setting up including time servers etc.
Otherwise you have to manually edit the User Options fiel in the
Internet setup or place your own Obey file in !Boot.Choices..
The Select version is a different module/configuration plug in.
--
See and experience the future using ARM Technology - BeagleBoard -xM,
Cortex A8 and RISC OS 5.19.
Peter Young
Oct 23, 2012, 12:27:59 PM10/23/12
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On 22 Oct 2012 Evan Clark <ne...@ejclark.force9.co.uk> wrote:
[snip]
> According to the recommendation then, the appropriate location for
> the module is !System.500.Modules.Network.NetTime, just as in the
> ROOL release.
> To kickstart the module at the appropriate time during Boot, add the
> following lines to the end of the file !Boot.Choices.Internet.User,
> which is run at the end of the network setup process thus avoiding
> problems due to the network not being ready:
> Set Inet$NTPServer server-name
> RMEnsure NetTime 0.00 RMLoad System:Modules.Network.NetTime
> 'server-name' should, of course, be replaced with your chosen ntp
> server.
Thanks for reminding me about this, as I had mislaid the original
instructions, and had NetTime in a little app called by Run at Boot,
instead of adding these lines to Choices.Internet.User; I have the
correct way now restored.
Perhaps worth mentioning that you can check whether NetTime is doing
its business by issuing the command NetTime_Status; I have this in an
Obey file launched via StrongMen.
[snip]
> According to the recommendation then, the appropriate location for
> the module is !System.500.Modules.Network.NetTime, just as in the
> ROOL release.
> To kickstart the module at the appropriate time during Boot, add the
> following lines to the end of the file !Boot.Choices.Internet.User,
> which is run at the end of the network setup process thus avoiding
> problems due to the network not being ready:
> Set Inet$NTPServer server-name
> RMEnsure NetTime 0.00 RMLoad System:Modules.Network.NetTime
> 'server-name' should, of course, be replaced with your chosen ntp
> server.
instructions, and had NetTime in a little app called by Run at Boot,
instead of adding these lines to Choices.Internet.User; I have the
correct way now restored.
Perhaps worth mentioning that you can check whether NetTime is doing
its business by issuing the command NetTime_Status; I have this in an
Obey file launched via StrongMen.
Chris Hughes
Oct 23, 2012, 1:10:30 PM10/23/12
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In message <e5953ee35...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>
NetTime provided the Network -> utils folder on the Disc (not in
!Boot), that seems to work fine..
--
Chris Hughes
Peter Young <pny...@ormail.co.uk> wrote:
> On 22 Oct 2012 Evan Clark <ne...@ejclark.force9.co.uk> wrote:
> [snip]
>> According to the recommendation then, the appropriate location for
>> the module is !System.500.Modules.Network.NetTime, just as in the
>> ROOL release.
>> To kickstart the module at the appropriate time during Boot, add the
>> following lines to the end of the file !Boot.Choices.Internet.User,
>> which is run at the end of the network setup process thus avoiding
>> problems due to the network not being ready:
>> Set Inet$NTPServer server-name
>> RMEnsure NetTime 0.00 RMLoad System:Modules.Network.NetTime
>> 'server-name' should, of course, be replaced with your chosen ntp
>> server.
> Thanks for reminding me about this, as I had mislaid the original
> instructions, and had NetTime in a little app called by Run at Boot,
> instead of adding these lines to Choices.Internet.User; I have the
> correct way now restored.
> Perhaps worth mentioning that you can check whether NetTime is doing
> its business by issuing the command NetTime_Status; I have this in an
> Obey file launched via StrongMen.
Since you have an ARmini, what is wrong with the little app for
> On 22 Oct 2012 Evan Clark <ne...@ejclark.force9.co.uk> wrote:
> [snip]
>> According to the recommendation then, the appropriate location for
>> the module is !System.500.Modules.Network.NetTime, just as in the
>> ROOL release.
>> To kickstart the module at the appropriate time during Boot, add the
>> following lines to the end of the file !Boot.Choices.Internet.User,
>> which is run at the end of the network setup process thus avoiding
>> problems due to the network not being ready:
>> Set Inet$NTPServer server-name
>> RMEnsure NetTime 0.00 RMLoad System:Modules.Network.NetTime
>> 'server-name' should, of course, be replaced with your chosen ntp
>> server.
> Thanks for reminding me about this, as I had mislaid the original
> instructions, and had NetTime in a little app called by Run at Boot,
> instead of adding these lines to Choices.Internet.User; I have the
> correct way now restored.
> Perhaps worth mentioning that you can check whether NetTime is doing
> its business by issuing the command NetTime_Status; I have this in an
> Obey file launched via StrongMen.
NetTime provided the Network -> utils folder on the Disc (not in
!Boot), that seems to work fine..
--
Chris Hughes
Peter Young
Oct 23, 2012, 1:55:10 PM10/23/12
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perhaps erroneously, that I should be doing it the "approved" way.
Evan Clark
Oct 23, 2012, 4:48:47 PM10/23/12
to
In article <8a9146e35...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Peter Young
> > Since you have an ARmini, what is wrong with the little app for
> > NetTime provided the Network -> utils folder on the Disc (not in
> > !Boot), that seems to work fine..
> Nothing at all, and that's the way I was doing it! However, I
> thought, perhaps erroneously, that I should be doing it the
> "approved" way.
What I stated was the recommended way back in 2005 when NetTime was
released for the Iyonix.
After reading the posting from Doug Webb, I spent some time this
afternoon investigating the most recent HardDisc4 release from ROOL,
and I see that the location for NetTime and the method of configuring
it and starting it during Boot has changed significantly.
Evan.
<pny...@ormail.co.uk> wrote:
> On 23 Oct 2012 Chris Hughes <ne...@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
> > In message <e5953ee35...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> Peter Young
> > <pny...@ormail.co.uk> wrote:
[Snip]
> On 23 Oct 2012 Chris Hughes <ne...@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
> > In message <e5953ee35...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> Peter Young
> > <pny...@ormail.co.uk> wrote:
> > Since you have an ARmini, what is wrong with the little app for
> > NetTime provided the Network -> utils folder on the Disc (not in
> > !Boot), that seems to work fine..
> Nothing at all, and that's the way I was doing it! However, I
> thought, perhaps erroneously, that I should be doing it the
> "approved" way.
released for the Iyonix.
After reading the posting from Doug Webb, I spent some time this
afternoon investigating the most recent HardDisc4 release from ROOL,
and I see that the location for NetTime and the method of configuring
it and starting it during Boot has changed significantly.
Evan.
druck
Oct 27, 2012, 2:18:35 PM10/27/12
to
On 22/10/2012 17:00, M Harding wrote:
> This issue has prompted me to correct my old Kinetic, which uses
> Freetime because it's used irregularly and liable to drift.
NetTime is much better for this than FreeTime.
> This issue has prompted me to correct my old Kinetic, which uses
> Freetime because it's used irregularly and liable to drift.
FreeTime can potentially make significant changes to the real time
clock, causing jumps of times log files, and sometimes issues in
applications dealing with timings or file timestamps.
For small drifts NetTime adjusts the rate of timer interrupts which
control the soft real time clock, so it gradually bringing it back to
the correct time avoiding any discontinuities. It continues to regularly
adjust the timer to value which compensates for the inaccuracy of the
underlying hardware.
---druck
Dave Symes
Oct 27, 2012, 4:53:37 PM10/27/12
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In article <k6h8hn$5ks$1...@dont-email.me>,
But no-one has yet detailed how to get hold of NetTime?
Dave
--
Dave Triffid
Dave
--
Dave Triffid
Chris Johnson
Oct 27, 2012, 7:08:06 PM10/27/12
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In article <52e5663...@triffid.co.uk>,
It is in !Boot.Resources.!System.360.Modules.Network in the HardDisc4
image available on the ROOL site.
http://www.riscosopen.org/content/downloads/other-zipfiles
--
Chris Johnson
It is in !Boot.Resources.!System.360.Modules.Network in the HardDisc4
image available on the ROOL site.
http://www.riscosopen.org/content/downloads/other-zipfiles
--
Chris Johnson
Dave Symes
Oct 28, 2012, 3:29:33 AM10/28/12
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In article <52e5728fe5chr...@spamcop.net>,
Yes and now it's time to book myself into the local asylum.
Well I'll say "thank you" for the link Chris, already been there and can
find nothing that is usable on this machine. (RO 6.20).
HardDisc4 (Self extracting) doesn't!
HardDisc4 (tarball) what the... is that?
Tarballs are what we get when doing felt roofing.
So downloaded the Untar decompression thing, set it running with the file,
and after a while it failed with a...
"Unable to start application (decompression failed)".
I think I've been through all this toilet before when attempting to get a
RO5 Os for RPCEmu some time back.
D. ispair.
--
Dave Triffid
Well I'll say "thank you" for the link Chris, already been there and can
find nothing that is usable on this machine. (RO 6.20).
HardDisc4 (Self extracting) doesn't!
HardDisc4 (tarball) what the... is that?
Tarballs are what we get when doing felt roofing.
So downloaded the Untar decompression thing, set it running with the file,
and after a while it failed with a...
"Unable to start application (decompression failed)".
I think I've been through all this toilet before when attempting to get a
RO5 Os for RPCEmu some time back.
D. ispair.
--
Dave Triffid
Chris Hughes
Oct 28, 2012, 4:22:16 AM10/28/12
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In message <52e5728fe5chr...@spamcop.net>
On the Armini its also supplied as a little app, setup and configured
for immediate us in SCSI::ARMini.$.Network.Utils
--
Chris Hughes
for immediate us in SCSI::ARMini.$.Network.Utils
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Chris Hughes
Steve Fryatt
Oct 28, 2012, 5:43:25 AM10/28/12
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On 28 Oct, Chris Hughes wrote in message
<134ca5e5...@o2.co.uk>:
I'd assume that would just be a front-end for the module and config files
inside !Boot. NetTime isn't something you run when you think you need it:
it runs all the time.
--
Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England
http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/
<134ca5e5...@o2.co.uk>:
inside !Boot. NetTime isn't something you run when you think you need it:
it runs all the time.
--
Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England
http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/
Evan Clark
Oct 28, 2012, 6:01:03 AM10/28/12
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In article <52e5a07...@triffid.co.uk>,
Was the filetype set to 'Utility' before you double-clicked on it?
Evan.
Was the filetype set to 'Utility' before you double-clicked on it?
Evan.
Dave Plowman (News)
Oct 28, 2012, 6:14:53 AM10/28/12
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It produces a utility? called !CreateSEC which then asks for !Routines
1.40 or later. Go to the website given for that and it's in gobbledygook.
;-)
--
*Gun Control: Use both hands.
1.40 or later. Go to the website given for that and it's in gobbledygook.
;-)
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*Gun Control: Use both hands.
Chris Hughes
Oct 28, 2012, 7:17:14 AM10/28/12
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In message <mpro.mclkbx03...@stevefryatt.org.uk>
Its done as a little app and is sslf contained. I have it run at boot
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Chris Hughes
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Chris Hughes
Chris Johnson
Oct 28, 2012, 6:59:04 AM10/28/12
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In article <52e5af9...@davenoise.co.uk>,
files etc. 7th Software used to have 2 domains, one .com and one
.co.uk. A year or so ago the .com domain was discontinued and has
been taken over by one of these domain sitters. Try
http://www.7thsoftware.co.uk/ instead.
--
Chris Johnson
Dave Plowman (News) <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> It produces a utility? called !CreateSEC which then asks for
> !Routines 1.40 or later. Go to the website given for that and it's
> in gobbledygook. ;-)
Ahhhh. I have told Steve about a number of links to this url in help
> !Routines 1.40 or later. Go to the website given for that and it's
> in gobbledygook. ;-)
files etc. 7th Software used to have 2 domains, one .com and one
.co.uk. A year or so ago the .com domain was discontinued and has
been taken over by one of these domain sitters. Try
http://www.7thsoftware.co.uk/ instead.
--
Chris Johnson
Dave Plowman (News)
Oct 28, 2012, 8:14:38 AM10/28/12
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In article <52e5b3a735chr...@spamcop.net>,
Thanks, Chris.
--
*Sorry, I don't date outside my species.
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*Sorry, I don't date outside my species.
spampling
Oct 28, 2012, 8:33:05 AM10/28/12
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In article <52e5a07...@triffid.co.uk>,
Cos it's not filtyped as Utility. However the instructions for use do say
to filetype appropriately.
</grump inducing>
What you are after is a small module called "NetTime" which sits in the
location described by others.
It works nicely if you drop a file (filetyped Obey) with the following
content into !boot.Choices.Boot.Tasks and call it TimeSetup
|###############
Set NetTime$Server pool.ntp.org
SetEval NetTime$Loaded 1
RMEnsure NetTime 0.39 X RMLoad System:Modules.Network.NetTime
RMEnsure NetTime 0.39 SetEval NetTime$Loaded 0
If <NetTime$Loaded> Then NetTime_PollInterval 1800
| ##############
Feel free to alter the server name details if you don't like a pool of
servers or the poll interval if you want a different interval.
--
Steve Pampling
Dave Symes <da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> > http://www.riscosopen.org/content/downloads/other-zipfiles
> Yes and now it's time to book myself into the local asylum.
> Well I'll say "thank you" for the link Chris, already been there and can
> find nothing that is usable on this machine. (RO 6.20).
> HardDisc4 (Self extracting) doesn't!
<grump inducing item>
> > http://www.riscosopen.org/content/downloads/other-zipfiles
> Yes and now it's time to book myself into the local asylum.
> Well I'll say "thank you" for the link Chris, already been there and can
> find nothing that is usable on this machine. (RO 6.20).
> HardDisc4 (Self extracting) doesn't!
Cos it's not filtyped as Utility. However the instructions for use do say
to filetype appropriately.
</grump inducing>
What you are after is a small module called "NetTime" which sits in the
location described by others.
It works nicely if you drop a file (filetyped Obey) with the following
content into !boot.Choices.Boot.Tasks and call it TimeSetup
|###############
Set NetTime$Server pool.ntp.org
SetEval NetTime$Loaded 1
RMEnsure NetTime 0.39 X RMLoad System:Modules.Network.NetTime
RMEnsure NetTime 0.39 SetEval NetTime$Loaded 0
If <NetTime$Loaded> Then NetTime_PollInterval 1800
| ##############
Feel free to alter the server name details if you don't like a pool of
servers or the poll interval if you want a different interval.
--
Steve Pampling
Dave Symes
Oct 28, 2012, 11:50:07 AM10/28/12
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In article <52e5bc429f...@btinternet.com>,
Thanks Steve,
Yes, I filetyped it Utility, and I double clicked it, and I waited, and
waited and discovered some time later the machine was frozen.
Dave
--
Dave Triffid
spampling <spam....@btinternet.com> wrote:
> In article <52e5a07...@triffid.co.uk>,
> Dave Symes <da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> > > http://www.riscosopen.org/content/downloads/other-zipfiles
> > Yes and now it's time to book myself into the local asylum.
> > Well I'll say "thank you" for the link Chris, already been there and
> > can find nothing that is usable on this machine. (RO 6.20).
> > HardDisc4 (Self extracting) doesn't!
> <grump inducing item>
> Cos it's not filtyped as Utility. However the instructions for use do say
> to filetype appropriately.
> </grump inducing>
[Snippy]
> In article <52e5a07...@triffid.co.uk>,
> Dave Symes <da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> > > http://www.riscosopen.org/content/downloads/other-zipfiles
> > Yes and now it's time to book myself into the local asylum.
> > Well I'll say "thank you" for the link Chris, already been there and
> > can find nothing that is usable on this machine. (RO 6.20).
> > HardDisc4 (Self extracting) doesn't!
> <grump inducing item>
> Cos it's not filtyped as Utility. However the instructions for use do say
> to filetype appropriately.
> </grump inducing>
Thanks Steve,
Yes, I filetyped it Utility, and I double clicked it, and I waited, and
waited and discovered some time later the machine was frozen.
Dave
--
Dave Triffid
Dave Symes
Oct 28, 2012, 11:51:22 AM10/28/12
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In article <52e5ae5...@ejclark.force9.co.uk>,
Yup! and after double clicking and waiting, and waiting, discovered the
Ron Briscoe
Oct 28, 2012, 1:04:04 PM10/28/12
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In article <52e5ce4...@triffid.co.uk>,
Download the self extracting HardDisc4
Rename it to HardDisc4/util
Set the type to Utility
Click on the resultant. This will extract the directory called 'HardDisc4'
into the same directory as the self extracting tar ball now renamed to
'HardDisc4/util'.
Works for me anyway ;-).
Regards Ron.
Dave Symes <da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> [Snippy]
> Thanks Steve,
> Yes, I filetyped it Utility, and I double clicked it, and I waited, and
> waited and discovered some time later the machine was frozen.
What I do is;
> [Snippy]
> Thanks Steve,
> Yes, I filetyped it Utility, and I double clicked it, and I waited, and
> waited and discovered some time later the machine was frozen.
Download the self extracting HardDisc4
Rename it to HardDisc4/util
Set the type to Utility
Click on the resultant. This will extract the directory called 'HardDisc4'
into the same directory as the self extracting tar ball now renamed to
'HardDisc4/util'.
Works for me anyway ;-).
Regards Ron.
Chris Johnson
Oct 28, 2012, 3:14:35 PM10/28/12
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In article <52e5d511f0...@blueyonder.co.uk>,
I think a major factor is that Dave is using RISC OS 6, which seems
to have issues.
--
Chris Johnson
I think a major factor is that Dave is using RISC OS 6, which seems
to have issues.
--
Chris Johnson
spampling
Oct 28, 2012, 5:39:02 PM10/28/12
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In article <52e5e1048echr...@spamcop.net>,
Leaving aside the usual comments regarding RO6 and compatibility issues, I
thought there was a Time setting feature in Select.
I suppose the questions are:
1. Am I mis-remembering stuff from too many mixed documents
2. Does the ROOL NetTime module work under RO6?
--
Steve Pampling
thought there was a Time setting feature in Select.
I suppose the questions are:
1. Am I mis-remembering stuff from too many mixed documents
2. Does the ROOL NetTime module work under RO6?
--
Steve Pampling
Dave Symes
Oct 28, 2012, 6:05:53 PM10/28/12
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catches an error message, and the action fails.
******************************************
22:03:48.91 ** Error **
Error : &00000406
Message: Not enough memory for utility
22:03:49.35 ** WimpError ** from unknown task
Error : &00000406
Message: Not enough memory for utility
******************************************
Dave
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Dave Triffid
Dave Symes
Oct 28, 2012, 6:18:16 PM10/28/12
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In article <52e5ee3e38...@btinternet.com>,
1) There is a Time setting feature in the RO 6.20 Configure-Date and
Time-Network config tool.
Unfortunately if it is configured On and during the boot sequence a time
server is not available then the machine is stiffed at that point in the
Boot and the user is stuffed.
After that happened twice (at different times) I decided to keep it
switched off.
2) When I eventually got a copy out and did the required...It appears to
work okay.
A *NetTime_Status produces the following:
*NetTime_Status
Current time: Sunday, 28 October 2012 22:15:59.18
Status: Sleeping
Last server: ntp.plus.net
Poll interval: 30 minutes
Timer latch: 20000
Dave
--
Dave Triffid
Time-Network config tool.
Unfortunately if it is configured On and during the boot sequence a time
server is not available then the machine is stiffed at that point in the
Boot and the user is stuffed.
After that happened twice (at different times) I decided to keep it
switched off.
2) When I eventually got a copy out and did the required...It appears to
work okay.
A *NetTime_Status produces the following:
*NetTime_Status
Current time: Sunday, 28 October 2012 22:15:59.18
Status: Sleeping
Last server: ntp.plus.net
Poll interval: 30 minutes
Timer latch: 20000
Dave
--
Dave Triffid
Steve Fryatt
Oct 28, 2012, 6:59:19 PM10/28/12
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On 28 Oct, Dave Symes wrote in message
<52e5f0b...@triffid.co.uk>:
> Indeed that's what I do, unfortunately even with 74 Mbytes Free, Reporter
> catches an error message, and the action fails.
How big is the next slot at this point?
<52e5f0b...@triffid.co.uk>:
> Indeed that's what I do, unfortunately even with 74 Mbytes Free, Reporter
> catches an error message, and the action fails.
Dave Symes
Oct 29, 2012, 1:32:12 AM10/29/12
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In article <mpro.mcml6f0h...@stevefryatt.org.uk>,
However, being a slightly old hand at this OS, I tried with various
settings right up to the max allowed on these versions of RO.
No change, same problem.
Good thought though.
Thanks
Dave
When I get a chance later, I'll try the process on a RO 4.39 machine.
D.
--
Dave Triffid
Steve Fryatt <ne...@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
> On 28 Oct, Dave Symes wrote in message
> <52e5f0b...@triffid.co.uk>:
> > Indeed that's what I do, unfortunately even with 74 Mbytes Free,
> > Reporter catches an error message, and the action fails.
> How big is the next slot at this point?
My default set at boot is 10Mbytes.
> On 28 Oct, Dave Symes wrote in message
> <52e5f0b...@triffid.co.uk>:
> > Indeed that's what I do, unfortunately even with 74 Mbytes Free,
> > Reporter catches an error message, and the action fails.
> How big is the next slot at this point?
However, being a slightly old hand at this OS, I tried with various
settings right up to the max allowed on these versions of RO.
No change, same problem.
Good thought though.
Thanks
Dave
When I get a chance later, I'll try the process on a RO 4.39 machine.
D.
--
Dave Triffid
Dave Symes
Oct 29, 2012, 12:02:39 PM10/29/12
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On 28 Oct, da...@triffid.co.uk wrote:
> In article <52e5ee3e38...@btinternet.com>,
> spampling <spam....@btinternet.com> wrote:
[Snippy]
> In article <52e5ee3e38...@btinternet.com>,
> spampling <spam....@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > 2. Does the ROOL NetTime module work under RO6?
> 2) When I eventually got a copy out and did the required...It appears to
> work okay.
Having done a test today, the answer to your Q2 Steve is no!
I put the clock 10 minutes slow earlier today, and after close on 8 hours
passing, two cold boots the clock is still 10 minutes slow.
So I guess I'd better note 'wot' I 'dunn' with the module.
This is a SARPC Select RO 6.20
NetTime module was placed in ...!Boot.Resources.!System.310.Modules.Network
It is obviously seen during Boot as CLI *Help produces the three commands.
A "TimeSetup" obey file with the following has been placed in ...Tasks
****************************
|NetTime setup
|
Set NetTime$Server pool.ntp.org
SetEval NetTime$Loaded 1
RMEnsure NetTime 0.39 X RMLoad System:Modules.Network.NetTime
RMEnsure NetTime 0.39 SetEval NetTime$Loaded 0
NetTime_Kick
Set NetTime$Server pool.ntp.org
SetEval NetTime$Loaded 1
RMEnsure NetTime 0.39 X RMLoad System:Modules.Network.NetTime
RMEnsure NetTime 0.39 SetEval NetTime$Loaded 0
If <NetTime$Loaded> Then NetTime_PollInterval 1800
***************************
I guess, I'm doing something wrong, unless it is RO 6.n or maybe there's
something missing from the above Obey file.
I must play some more...
Advice always welcome.
Thanks
Dave
--
Dave Triffid
spampling
Oct 29, 2012, 1:46:59 PM10/29/12
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In article <52e6534...@triffid.co.uk>,
If the module is loaded it will give you the available commands. Always
best to check the boot did wot it orta.
Try the NetTime_Status command first and then try NetTime_Kick then run the
NetTime_Status command again.
Trying that on my RPC (running 4.02) the variability of the clock looks
like it can't manage much better than +/-0.0002 sec. (Oh well, could be
worse - it could be Windows and only accurate to the nearest few seconds.
--
Steve Pampling
Dave Symes <da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> Having done a test today, the answer to your Q2 Steve is no!
> I put the clock 10 minutes slow earlier today, and after close on 8 hours
> passing, two cold boots the clock is still 10 minutes slow.
open a task window and type h. NetTime.
> Having done a test today, the answer to your Q2 Steve is no!
> I put the clock 10 minutes slow earlier today, and after close on 8 hours
> passing, two cold boots the clock is still 10 minutes slow.
If the module is loaded it will give you the available commands. Always
best to check the boot did wot it orta.
Try the NetTime_Status command first and then try NetTime_Kick then run the
NetTime_Status command again.
Trying that on my RPC (running 4.02) the variability of the clock looks
like it can't manage much better than +/-0.0002 sec. (Oh well, could be
worse - it could be Windows and only accurate to the nearest few seconds.
--
Steve Pampling
Dave Symes
Oct 29, 2012, 6:34:18 PM10/29/12
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In article <52e65cd5c0...@btinternet.com>,
"It is obviously seen during Boot as CLI *Help produces the three
commands."
(I shorthanded my note) but I did use * Help NetTime and the three
commands were listed.
Anyway...
> Try the NetTime_Status command first and then try NetTime_Kick then run
> the NetTime_Status command again. Trying that on my RPC (running 4.02)
> the variability of the clock looks like it can't manage much better than
> +/-0.0002 sec. (Oh well, could be worse - it could be Windows and only
> accurate to the nearest few seconds.
I have an Obey file on the Pinboard that does NetTime_Status.
It produces:
*NetTime_Status
Current time: Monday, 29 October 2012 21:43:34.33
Status: Expecting
Last server: ntp.plus.net
Last protocol: Time/UDP
*NetTime_Kick produces Nothing, the time remains the same (behind 10
minutes) and NetTime_Status is the same.
I'm going to lay this out for some checking.
1) The module *is* loaded at Boot.
I've used Verma to check, as well as the *Help to make sure the three
commands are listed.
2) I have an Obey file in ...Tasks called TimeSetup containing the
following: With stuff from one of your postings.
|NetTime setup
Set NetTime$Server 1.pool.ntp.org
However when, a short while ago I was re-reading the thread, I noticed
Evan Clark in a posting had in his Obey listing an actual ip address.
(I have no idea what it means).
So adding his ip address to my Obey I get... (My <<<<<<<< as a pointer).
|NetTime setup
Set NetTime$Server 1.pool.ntp.org
I've re-set the clock to 10 minutes slow.
Pause now while I Draft this and re-boot the computer to see.
That seems to be it, upon boot up the clock time is correct.
Perhaps someone could explain for me as I assumed from what I'd read that
all I needed was the first line for the time server... I've not seen any
other mention of an ip address being required?
spampling <spam....@btinternet.com> wrote:
> In article <52e6534...@triffid.co.uk>,
> Dave Symes <da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> > Having done a test today, the answer to your Q2 Steve is no!
> > I put the clock 10 minutes slow earlier today, and after close on 8
> > hours passing, two cold boots the clock is still 10 minutes slow.
> open a task window and type h. NetTime.
> If the module is loaded it will give you the available commands. Always
> best to check the boot did wot it orta.
Did you see what I wrote earlier today?
> In article <52e6534...@triffid.co.uk>,
> Dave Symes <da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> > Having done a test today, the answer to your Q2 Steve is no!
> > I put the clock 10 minutes slow earlier today, and after close on 8
> > hours passing, two cold boots the clock is still 10 minutes slow.
> open a task window and type h. NetTime.
> If the module is loaded it will give you the available commands. Always
> best to check the boot did wot it orta.
"It is obviously seen during Boot as CLI *Help produces the three
commands."
commands were listed.
Anyway...
> Try the NetTime_Status command first and then try NetTime_Kick then run
> the NetTime_Status command again. Trying that on my RPC (running 4.02)
> the variability of the clock looks like it can't manage much better than
> +/-0.0002 sec. (Oh well, could be worse - it could be Windows and only
> accurate to the nearest few seconds.
It produces:
*NetTime_Status
Current time: Monday, 29 October 2012 21:43:34.33
Status: Expecting
Last server: ntp.plus.net
Last protocol: Time/UDP
Poll interval: 30 minutes
Timer latch: 20000
*
Timer latch: 20000
*NetTime_Kick produces Nothing, the time remains the same (behind 10
minutes) and NetTime_Status is the same.
I'm going to lay this out for some checking.
1) The module *is* loaded at Boot.
I've used Verma to check, as well as the *Help to make sure the three
commands are listed.
2) I have an Obey file in ...Tasks called TimeSetup containing the
following: With stuff from one of your postings.
|NetTime setup
Set NetTime$Server 1.pool.ntp.org
SetEval NetTime$Loaded 1
RMEnsure NetTime 0.39 X RMLoad System:Modules.Network.NetTime
RMEnsure NetTime 0.39 SetEval NetTime$Loaded 0
NetTime_Kick
If <NetTime$Loaded> Then NetTime_PollInterval 1800
Even double clicking that Obey file does nothing to correct the clock time.
RMEnsure NetTime 0.39 X RMLoad System:Modules.Network.NetTime
RMEnsure NetTime 0.39 SetEval NetTime$Loaded 0
NetTime_Kick
If <NetTime$Loaded> Then NetTime_PollInterval 1800
However when, a short while ago I was re-reading the thread, I noticed
Evan Clark in a posting had in his Obey listing an actual ip address.
(I have no idea what it means).
So adding his ip address to my Obey I get... (My <<<<<<<< as a pointer).
|NetTime setup
Set NetTime$Server 1.pool.ntp.org
SetEval NetTime$Loaded 1
RMEnsure NetTime 0.39 X RMLoad System:Modules.Network.NetTime
RMEnsure NetTime 0.39 SetEval NetTime$Loaded 0
SET Inet$NTPServer 130.88.200.4 (<<<<<<<<<<<)
RMEnsure NetTime 0.39 X RMLoad System:Modules.Network.NetTime
RMEnsure NetTime 0.39 SetEval NetTime$Loaded 0
NetTime_Kick
If <NetTime$Loaded> Then NetTime_PollInterval 1800
Which if double clicked changes the clock to the correct time.
If <NetTime$Loaded> Then NetTime_PollInterval 1800
I've re-set the clock to 10 minutes slow.
Pause now while I Draft this and re-boot the computer to see.
That seems to be it, upon boot up the clock time is correct.
Perhaps someone could explain for me as I assumed from what I'd read that
all I needed was the first line for the time server... I've not seen any
other mention of an ip address being required?
Dave Plowman (News)
Oct 29, 2012, 7:18:06 PM10/29/12
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If it's any help, it's simply in <boot choices users single boot tasks>
here with 4.39. No obey file telling it what to do.
--
*Never put off until tomorrow what you can avoid altogether *
here with 4.39. No obey file telling it what to do.
--
*Never put off until tomorrow what you can avoid altogether *
Chris Johnson
Oct 29, 2012, 7:30:38 PM10/29/12
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In article <52e6772...@triffid.co.uk>,
have the system variable Inet$NTPServer set, so it certainly isn't
required for the operation of NetTime under RISC OS 5.
The actual host is dir.mcc.ac.uk (130.88.200.4) (Manchester Computing
Centre).
--
Chris Johnson
Dave Symes <da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> I've not seen any
> other mention of an ip address being required?
An oddity. I have checked my RISC OS 5 systems and neither of them
> I've not seen any
> other mention of an ip address being required?
have the system variable Inet$NTPServer set, so it certainly isn't
required for the operation of NetTime under RISC OS 5.
The actual host is dir.mcc.ac.uk (130.88.200.4) (Manchester Computing
Centre).
--
Chris Johnson
spampling
Oct 30, 2012, 3:39:19 AM10/30/12
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In article <52e6772...@triffid.co.uk>,
Out of sync
> "It is obviously seen during Boot as CLI *Help produces the three
> commands."
> (I shorthanded my note) but I did use * Help NetTime and the three
> commands were listed.
> Anyway...
> Last server: ntp.plus.net
Have you tried a different server?
I know the one I quoted is working, the item above looks like it is waiting
for a response.
--
Steve Pampling
Out of sync
> "It is obviously seen during Boot as CLI *Help produces the three
> commands."
> (I shorthanded my note) but I did use * Help NetTime and the three
> commands were listed.
> Anyway...
> I have an Obey file on the Pinboard that does NetTime_Status.
> It produces:
> *NetTime_Status
> Current time: Monday, 29 October 2012 21:43:34.33
> Status: Expecting <-------------------
> It produces:
> *NetTime_Status
> Current time: Monday, 29 October 2012 21:43:34.33
> Last server: ntp.plus.net
Have you tried a different server?
I know the one I quoted is working, the item above looks like it is waiting
for a response.
--
Steve Pampling
Dave Symes
Oct 30, 2012, 1:45:28 AM10/30/12
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In article <52e67b2...@davenoise.co.uk>,
Dave
--
Dave Triffid
Dave Plowman (News) <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> If it's any help, it's simply in <boot choices users single boot tasks>
> here with 4.39. No obey file telling it what to do.
Sorry, what is in your Tasks?
> here with 4.39. No obey file telling it what to do.
Dave
--
Dave Triffid
Dave Symes
Oct 30, 2012, 5:41:13 AM10/30/12
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In article <52e67c4bbachr...@spamcop.net>,
There are some interesting aspects to this.
If the Module is in ...!Boot.Resources.!System.310.Modules.Network then at
boot the clock time error is not corrected, but the module *is* loaded.
If the NetTime module is residing in any of the other directories in
System, other than 310 Modules it is *not* loaded at boot
If the NetTime module is in Tasks, then at Boot the clock time error is
corrected, so in the above case it prompts one to think, NetTime is loaded
before the clock is loaded?
Dave
--
Dave Triffid
If the Module is in ...!Boot.Resources.!System.310.Modules.Network then at
boot the clock time error is not corrected, but the module *is* loaded.
If the NetTime module is residing in any of the other directories in
System, other than 310 Modules it is *not* loaded at boot
If the NetTime module is in Tasks, then at Boot the clock time error is
corrected, so in the above case it prompts one to think, NetTime is loaded
before the clock is loaded?
Dave
--
Dave Triffid
Dave Symes
Oct 30, 2012, 5:47:53 AM10/30/12
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In article <52e6a90946...@btinternet.com>,
> > "It is obviously seen during Boot as CLI *Help produces the three
> > commands."
> > (I shorthanded my note) but I did use * Help NetTime and the three
> > commands were listed.
> > Anyway...
> > I have an Obey file on the Pinboard that does NetTime_Status.
> > It produces:
> > *NetTime_Status
> > Current time: Monday, 29 October 2012 21:43:34.33
> > Status: Expecting <-------------------
> > Last server: ntp.plus.net
> Have you tried a different server? I know the one I quoted is working,
> the item above looks like it is waiting for a response.
Mmnnn! good thought, though I thought I had but here goes.
I'm removing the ip address line. (SET Inet$NTPServer 130.88.200.4)
Now I'll change the first line to the address I've been using with
FreeTime b'cos I know that works.
Set NetTime$Server 1 NTP2a.mcc.ac.uk
Saved the TimeSetup file back in Tasks.
I shall now cold Boot the computer after a cuppa.
Yes that work, time was reset and NetTime_Status presented:
*NetTime_Status
Current time: Tuesday, 30 October 2012 09:39:01.04
Status: Sleeping
Last adjustment: 3 minutes 37 seconds ago
Last delta: 0.570000 seconds slow
Last server: maverick.mcc.ac.uk
Dave
So it appears it's now working okay on RO Select 6.20
D
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Dave Triffid
spampling <spam....@btinternet.com> wrote:
> In article <52e6772...@triffid.co.uk>,
> Dave Symes <da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
[Snippy]
> In article <52e6772...@triffid.co.uk>,
> Dave Symes <da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> > "It is obviously seen during Boot as CLI *Help produces the three
> > commands."
> > (I shorthanded my note) but I did use * Help NetTime and the three
> > commands were listed.
> > Anyway...
> > I have an Obey file on the Pinboard that does NetTime_Status.
> > It produces:
> > *NetTime_Status
> > Current time: Monday, 29 October 2012 21:43:34.33
> > Status: Expecting <-------------------
> > Last server: ntp.plus.net
> Have you tried a different server? I know the one I quoted is working,
> the item above looks like it is waiting for a response.
I'm removing the ip address line. (SET Inet$NTPServer 130.88.200.4)
Now I'll change the first line to the address I've been using with
FreeTime b'cos I know that works.
Set NetTime$Server 1 NTP2a.mcc.ac.uk
Saved the TimeSetup file back in Tasks.
I shall now cold Boot the computer after a cuppa.
Yes that work, time was reset and NetTime_Status presented:
*NetTime_Status
Current time: Tuesday, 30 October 2012 09:39:01.04
Status: Sleeping
Last adjustment: 3 minutes 37 seconds ago
Last delta: 0.570000 seconds slow
Last server: maverick.mcc.ac.uk
Last protocol: Time/UDP
Poll interval: 30 minutes
Timer latch: 20200 (-10000ppm)
Poll interval: 30 minutes
Dave
So it appears it's now working okay on RO Select 6.20
D
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Dave Plowman (News)
Oct 30, 2012, 8:09:11 AM10/30/12
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In article <52e69e9...@triffid.co.uk>,
The NetTime module.
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Oct 30, 2012, 10:07:13 AM10/30/12
to
On Oct 30, 9:48 am, Dave Symes <d...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <52e67c4bbachrisjohnson+n...@spamcop.net>,
> Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+n...@spamcop.net> wrote:
> > In article <52e6772366d...@triffid.co.uk>,
the Internet module to fiddle with (eg. Inet$NTPServer will be set by
it if your DHCP server reports there being an NTP machine).
If you must manually set it up on Select, you want NetTime$Server.
> There are some interesting aspects to this.
> If the Module is in ...!Boot.Resources.!System.310.Modules.Network then at
> boot the clock time error is not corrected, but the module *is* loaded.
>
> If the NetTime module is residing in any of the other directories in
> System, other than 310 Modules it is *not* loaded at boot
That's suspicious. NetTime should be in "360.Modules.Network" and
since everything uses "System:" it should pick it up from there.
Typing
*SHOW System$Path
would confirm that, it should have all of the subdirectories listed
from your version of the OS in reverse order, comma separated,
Sprow.
> In article <52e67c4bbachrisjohnson+n...@spamcop.net>,
> Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+n...@spamcop.net> wrote:
> > In article <52e6772366d...@triffid.co.uk>,
> > An oddity. I have checked my RISC OS 5 systems and neither of them
> > have the system variable Inet$NTPServer set, so it certainly isn't
> > required for the operation of NetTime under RISC OS 5.
You shouldn't be manually fiddling with Inet$ variables, these are for
> > have the system variable Inet$NTPServer set, so it certainly isn't
> > required for the operation of NetTime under RISC OS 5.
the Internet module to fiddle with (eg. Inet$NTPServer will be set by
it if your DHCP server reports there being an NTP machine).
If you must manually set it up on Select, you want NetTime$Server.
> There are some interesting aspects to this.
> If the Module is in ...!Boot.Resources.!System.310.Modules.Network then at
> boot the clock time error is not corrected, but the module *is* loaded.
>
> If the NetTime module is residing in any of the other directories in
> System, other than 310 Modules it is *not* loaded at boot
since everything uses "System:" it should pick it up from there.
Typing
*SHOW System$Path
would confirm that, it should have all of the subdirectories listed
from your version of the OS in reverse order, comma separated,
Sprow.
Dave Symes
Oct 30, 2012, 5:16:31 PM10/30/12
to
In article
<896b1e49-7d1c-421d...@r6g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
> > There are some interesting aspects to this. If the Module is in
> > ...!Boot.Resources.!System.310.Modules.Network then at boot the clock
> > time error is not corrected, but the module *is* loaded.
> >
> > If the NetTime module is residing in any of the other directories in
> > System, other than 310 Modules it is *not* loaded at boot
> That's suspicious. NetTime should be in "360.Modules.Network" and
> since everything uses "System:" it should pick it up from there.
> Typing
> *SHOW System$Path
> would confirm that, it should have all of the subdirectories listed
> from your version of the OS in reverse order, comma separated,
> Sprow.
Problem is I don't have a ...!System.360 so I couldn't have a
"360.Modules.Network"
I have 310,350,370,400,420 so I've put it in 370.Modules.Network and that
works okay.
So in answer to the question a few days ago, "...does NetTime work with
RISC OS 6"?
Yes!
Dave
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Dave Triffid
<896b1e49-7d1c-421d...@r6g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
Sprow <ne...@sprow.co.uk> wrote:
> On Oct 30, 9:48 am, Dave Symes <d...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <52e67c4bbachrisjohnson+n...@spamcop.net>,
> > Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+n...@spamcop.net> wrote:
> > > In article <52e6772366d...@triffid.co.uk>,
> > > An oddity. I have checked my RISC OS 5 systems and neither of them
> > > have the system variable Inet$NTPServer set, so it certainly isn't
> > > required for the operation of NetTime under RISC OS 5.
> You shouldn't be manually fiddling with Inet$ variables, these are for
> the Internet module to fiddle with (eg. Inet$NTPServer will be set by
> it if your DHCP server reports there being an NTP machine).
> If you must manually set it up on Select, you want NetTime$Server.
That's what it's using now I've got it working.
> On Oct 30, 9:48 am, Dave Symes <d...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <52e67c4bbachrisjohnson+n...@spamcop.net>,
> > Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+n...@spamcop.net> wrote:
> > > In article <52e6772366d...@triffid.co.uk>,
> > > An oddity. I have checked my RISC OS 5 systems and neither of them
> > > have the system variable Inet$NTPServer set, so it certainly isn't
> > > required for the operation of NetTime under RISC OS 5.
> You shouldn't be manually fiddling with Inet$ variables, these are for
> the Internet module to fiddle with (eg. Inet$NTPServer will be set by
> it if your DHCP server reports there being an NTP machine).
> If you must manually set it up on Select, you want NetTime$Server.
> > There are some interesting aspects to this. If the Module is in
> > ...!Boot.Resources.!System.310.Modules.Network then at boot the clock
> > time error is not corrected, but the module *is* loaded.
> >
> > If the NetTime module is residing in any of the other directories in
> > System, other than 310 Modules it is *not* loaded at boot
> That's suspicious. NetTime should be in "360.Modules.Network" and
> since everything uses "System:" it should pick it up from there.
> Typing
> *SHOW System$Path
> would confirm that, it should have all of the subdirectories listed
> from your version of the OS in reverse order, comma separated,
> Sprow.
"360.Modules.Network"
I have 310,350,370,400,420 so I've put it in 370.Modules.Network and that
works okay.
So in answer to the question a few days ago, "...does NetTime work with
RISC OS 6"?
Yes!
Dave
--
Dave Triffid
Evan Clark
Oct 30, 2012, 7:34:46 PM10/30/12
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In article <52e6f3d...@triffid.co.uk>,
Better still, create a separate !System.360.Modules.Network directory
structure and copy the module into that. Then use the System Merge
utility in Configuration to merge that with the main !System and
enjoy the added benefit that the process will be recorded in the Log
file within !System.
Evan.
Dave Symes <da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> Problem is I don't have a ...!System.360 so I couldn't have a
> "360.Modules.Network"
So, just create that directory structure and copy the module there.
> Problem is I don't have a ...!System.360 so I couldn't have a
> "360.Modules.Network"
Better still, create a separate !System.360.Modules.Network directory
structure and copy the module into that. Then use the System Merge
utility in Configuration to merge that with the main !System and
enjoy the added benefit that the process will be recorded in the Log
file within !System.
Evan.
spampling
Oct 31, 2012, 3:54:26 AM10/31/12
to
In article <52e7008...@ejclark.force9.co.uk>,
The structure is supposed to reflect the lowest level a module works at and
give the opportunity to have different copies in different directories to
support different OS revisions that might boot from the same Universal Boot
structure.
On an RPC the odds are that the OS is 3.70 or higher anyway.
It's interesting to note that the RO6 model of things ignores 3.6 (and
presumably 3.5)
So, since it works in a place that is lower than any OS revision he has and
higher than other modules of similar ilk (it runs where it is so there
isn't an equivalent in a higher number directory) why start inventing extra
bits.
--
Steve Pampling
Evan Clark <ne...@ejclark.force9.co.uk> wrote:
> So, just create that directory structure and copy the module there.
> Better still, create a separate !System.360.Modules.Network directory
> structure and copy the module into that.
From Daves comments it works in 370.Module.Network (no great surprise)
> So, just create that directory structure and copy the module there.
> Better still, create a separate !System.360.Modules.Network directory
> structure and copy the module into that.
The structure is supposed to reflect the lowest level a module works at and
give the opportunity to have different copies in different directories to
support different OS revisions that might boot from the same Universal Boot
structure.
On an RPC the odds are that the OS is 3.70 or higher anyway.
It's interesting to note that the RO6 model of things ignores 3.6 (and
presumably 3.5)
So, since it works in a place that is lower than any OS revision he has and
higher than other modules of similar ilk (it runs where it is so there
isn't an equivalent in a higher number directory) why start inventing extra
bits.
--
Steve Pampling
Dave Plowman (News)
Oct 31, 2012, 6:01:56 AM10/31/12
to
In article <52e72e41a5...@btinternet.com>,
Why is mine (which works fine) in tasks, then? RO 4.39 soft load.
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Evan Clark
Oct 31, 2012, 6:08:02 AM10/31/12
to
> It's interesting to note that the RO6 model of things ignores 3.6
> (and presumably 3.5)
Do you mean that in RISC OS 6 System$Path does not include Sys:360,
> (and presumably 3.5)
or that even if it is present, RISC OS 6 ignores it?
> So, since it works in a place that is lower than any OS revision he
> has and higher than other modules of similar ilk (it runs where it
> is so there isn't an equivalent in a higher number directory) why
> start inventing extra bits.
be in the same place for all users.
Evan.
Dave Symes
Oct 31, 2012, 7:27:00 AM10/31/12
to
In article <52e73a7...@ejclark.force9.co.uk>,
While generally I'm a believer in the KISS principle, adding an extra
directory to my SARPC !System is not applying KISS to my !System.
Dave
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directory to my SARPC !System is not applying KISS to my !System.
Dave
--
Dave Triffid
Dave Symes
Oct 31, 2012, 7:23:49 AM10/31/12
to
In article <52e739e...@davenoise.co.uk>,
> > From Daves comments it works in 370.Module.Network (no great surprise)
> > The structure is supposed to reflect the lowest level a module works at
> > and give the opportunity to have different copies in different
> > directories to support different OS revisions that might boot from the
> > same Universal Boot structure. On an RPC the odds are that the OS is
> > 3.70 or higher anyway.
> > It's interesting to note that the RO6 model of things ignores 3.6 (and
> > presumably 3.5)
> > So, since it works in a place that is lower than any OS revision he has
> > and higher than other modules of similar ilk (it runs where it is so
> > there isn't an equivalent in a higher number directory) why start
> > inventing extra bits.
> Why is mine (which works fine) in tasks, then? RO 4.39 soft load.
RO 4.39 is substantially advanced and on from 3.6 or 3.7 but even I could
get the NT module loaded when it was in Tasks, but as Mr Druck has been
pointing out for years, apparently, Tasks is not really the place for such
things.
Dave
--
Dave Triffid
Dave Plowman (News) <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
[Snippy]
> > From Daves comments it works in 370.Module.Network (no great surprise)
> > The structure is supposed to reflect the lowest level a module works at
> > and give the opportunity to have different copies in different
> > directories to support different OS revisions that might boot from the
> > same Universal Boot structure. On an RPC the odds are that the OS is
> > 3.70 or higher anyway.
> > It's interesting to note that the RO6 model of things ignores 3.6 (and
> > presumably 3.5)
> > So, since it works in a place that is lower than any OS revision he has
> > and higher than other modules of similar ilk (it runs where it is so
> > there isn't an equivalent in a higher number directory) why start
> > inventing extra bits.
> Why is mine (which works fine) in tasks, then? RO 4.39 soft load.
get the NT module loaded when it was in Tasks, but as Mr Druck has been
pointing out for years, apparently, Tasks is not really the place for such
things.
Dave
--
Dave Triffid
Dave Symes
Oct 31, 2012, 7:34:49 AM10/31/12
to
> In article <52e7008...@ejclark.force9.co.uk>,
> Evan Clark <ne...@ejclark.force9.co.uk> wrote:
> > So, just create that directory structure and copy the module there.
> > Better still, create a separate !System.360.Modules.Network directory
> > structure and copy the module into that.
> From Daves comments it works in 370.Module.Network (no great surprise)
> The structure is supposed to reflect the lowest level a module works at
> and give the opportunity to have different copies in different
> directories to support different OS revisions that might boot from the
> same Universal Boot structure. On an RPC the odds are that the OS is
> 3.70 or higher anyway.
> It's interesting to note that the RO6 model of things ignores 3.6 (and
> presumably 3.5)
My System contains 310,350,370,400,420,500 and of course the Modules
> Evan Clark <ne...@ejclark.force9.co.uk> wrote:
> > So, just create that directory structure and copy the module there.
> > Better still, create a separate !System.360.Modules.Network directory
> > structure and copy the module into that.
> From Daves comments it works in 370.Module.Network (no great surprise)
> The structure is supposed to reflect the lowest level a module works at
> and give the opportunity to have different copies in different
> directories to support different OS revisions that might boot from the
> same Universal Boot structure. On an RPC the odds are that the OS is
> 3.70 or higher anyway.
> It's interesting to note that the RO6 model of things ignores 3.6 (and
> presumably 3.5)
directory.
310,370,400,420 all have a Network sub dir, the others do not.
> So, since it works in a place that is lower than any OS revision he has
> and higher than other modules of similar ilk (it runs where it is so
> there isn't an equivalent in a higher number directory) why start
> inventing extra bits.
more for the sake of it.
I'll retry in all the sys dirs that have a Network sub directory and
report back.
Dave
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Dave Triffid
Dave Symes
Oct 31, 2012, 8:27:10 AM10/31/12
to
On 31 Oct, da...@triffid.co.uk wrote:
[Snippy]
> 310,370,400,420 all have a Network sub dir, the others do not.
I'll do a few other tests.
SARPC running Select RO 6.20
One at a time, putting the NT module in System sub dirs. 310,370,400,420
Set the clock wrong, then cold re-booting.
Every time after the re-boot the clock is showing the correct time.
310,370,400,420
Dave
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Dave Triffid
[Snippy]
> 310,370,400,420 all have a Network sub dir, the others do not.
> I'll retry in all the sys dirs that have a Network sub directory and
> report back.
> Dave
As mentioned previously now NetTime and the config obey are working okay,
> report back.
> Dave
I'll do a few other tests.
SARPC running Select RO 6.20
One at a time, putting the NT module in System sub dirs. 310,370,400,420
Set the clock wrong, then cold re-booting.
Every time after the re-boot the clock is showing the correct time.
310,370,400,420
Dave
--
Dave Triffid
Evan Clark
Oct 31, 2012, 11:20:09 AM10/31/12
to
In article <52e741b...@triffid.co.uk>,
recommended place and in the expected place if you need help in the
future to sort out any problems with it?
Evan.
Dave Symes <da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> While generally I'm a believer in the KISS principle, adding an
> extra directory to my SARPC !System is not applying KISS to my
> !System.
Surely it is, if it means you have the NetTime module in the
> While generally I'm a believer in the KISS principle, adding an
> extra directory to my SARPC !System is not applying KISS to my
> !System.
recommended place and in the expected place if you need help in the
future to sort out any problems with it?
Evan.
Peter Young
Oct 31, 2012, 12:02:36 PM10/31/12
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Network.Utilities supplied with the ARMini, which runs NetTime, if you
remember to put it in Boot.Run. NetTime now in its recommended place,
with the changes made to the file Boot.Choices.Internet.User.
The downside of that, as I've just reminded myself, is remembering
which file it is that you have to make the changes to. I've just had
to search for *user* in Boot, as I'd forgotten. Ah, well!
With best wishes,
Peter.
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Sprow
Oct 31, 2012, 2:37:49 PM10/31/12
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On Oct 31, 11:36 am, Dave Symes <d...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <52e72e41a5spam.pl...@btinternet.com>,
> > In article <52e70082f3n...@ejclark.force9.co.uk>,
would likely not have come with 370/350/310. These have probably have
been added during sys merging - the sys merge log would tell you.
The idea of the directories is to answer the question "what is the
earliest version of the OS that this module will work on?". NetTime,
for example, uses international help tokens for its *HELP and syntax
and this wasn't introduced until 3.60 so it goes in the 360 directory.
When you use the boot sequence with a given OS it sets up System$Path
to be all the directories from the current version and earlier so it's
all safe, thus the higher numbered ones get ignored. Of course that
does mean that when you're running the highest number it will appear
that modules will "work" regardless of where you put them, doing so is
at your own risk!
Note, when I say "version number" here, it's rounded down to the
nearest multiple of 10, so for example anything from RISC OS 3.70 to
3.79 would use the 370 directory,
Sprow.
> In article <52e72e41a5spam.pl...@btinternet.com>,
> > In article <52e70082f3n...@ejclark.force9.co.uk>,
> > to support different OS revisions that might boot from the
> > same Universal Boot structure. On an RPC the odds are that the OS is
> > 3.70 or higher anyway.
> > It's interesting to note that the RO6 model of things ignores 3.6 (and
> > presumably 3.5)
>
> My System contains 310,350,370,400,420,500 and of course the Modules
> directory.
I think Select chopped support for anything pre 400 at some point, so
> > same Universal Boot structure. On an RPC the odds are that the OS is
> > 3.70 or higher anyway.
> > It's interesting to note that the RO6 model of things ignores 3.6 (and
> > presumably 3.5)
>
> My System contains 310,350,370,400,420,500 and of course the Modules
> directory.
would likely not have come with 370/350/310. These have probably have
been added during sys merging - the sys merge log would tell you.
The idea of the directories is to answer the question "what is the
earliest version of the OS that this module will work on?". NetTime,
for example, uses international help tokens for its *HELP and syntax
and this wasn't introduced until 3.60 so it goes in the 360 directory.
When you use the boot sequence with a given OS it sets up System$Path
to be all the directories from the current version and earlier so it's
all safe, thus the higher numbered ones get ignored. Of course that
does mean that when you're running the highest number it will appear
that modules will "work" regardless of where you put them, doing so is
at your own risk!
Note, when I say "version number" here, it's rounded down to the
nearest multiple of 10, so for example anything from RISC OS 3.70 to
3.79 would use the 370 directory,
Sprow.
Dave Symes
Oct 31, 2012, 5:14:14 PM10/31/12
to
In article
<b857c58e-5b49-4f32...@j10g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
Sprow <ne...@sprow.co.uk> wrote:
[Snippy]
"!System.360 dir and subdirs within and done a "system Merge.
D.
--
Dave Triffid
<b857c58e-5b49-4f32...@j10g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
Sprow <ne...@sprow.co.uk> wrote:
[Snippy]
> When you use the boot sequence with a given OS it sets up System$Path
> to be all the directories from the current version and earlier so it's
> all safe, thus the higher numbered ones get ignored. Of course that
> does mean that when you're running the highest number it will appear
> that modules will "work" regardless of where you put them, doing so is
> at your own risk!
Just to keep you chaps happy, I've done it the proper way, created the
> to be all the directories from the current version and earlier so it's
> all safe, thus the higher numbered ones get ignored. Of course that
> does mean that when you're running the highest number it will appear
> that modules will "work" regardless of where you put them, doing so is
> at your own risk!
"!System.360 dir and subdirs within and done a "system Merge.
D.
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Dave Triffid
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