Re: Trying to Trace Data Design...
Chris Evans
<URL:mailto:fmn...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hi
>
> Does anyone here know what happened to Data Design?
No.
> It was the company the produced the Designer Castles
> software.
Semerc did:
My World - Design a Castle
we have that in stock!
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Graham Pegg
Chris Evans <ch...@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <f32078dc.04092...@posting.google.com>, Privacy Trap
> <URL:mailto:fmn...@hotmail.com> wrote:
[snip]
> > It was the company the produced the Designer Castles
> > software.
>
> Semerc did:
> My World - Design a Castle
>
> we have that in stock!
Yes, but that's IIRC not the same. 'Designer Castles' was a prog just for
that purpose - and produced complete printed 'nets', complete with all
the necessary glue tabs, for building the castle.
Graham
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John Cartmell
<D...@therpc.f9.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <ant25112...@client.cjemicros.co.uk> Chris Evans
> <ch...@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <f32078dc.04092...@posting.google.com>, Privacy
> > Trap <URL:mailto:fmn...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> [snip]
> > > It was the company the produced the Designer Castles software.
> >
> > Semerc did: My World - Design a Castle
> >
> > we have that in stock!
> Yes, but that's IIRC not the same. 'Designer Castles' was a prog just
> for that purpose - and produced complete printed 'nets', complete with
> all the necessary glue tabs, for building the castle.
Was it, by any chance, a version of TABS by Aspex Software?
The only alternative program (but I don't know about the Castles) is the one by Mike Battersby "!Flatpack" - see Qercus 272.
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Eddie Lord
Graham Pegg <D...@therpc.f9.co.uk> wrote thus:
> In message <ant25112...@client.cjemicros.co.uk>
> Chris Evans <ch...@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > In article <f32078dc.04092...@posting.google.com>, Privacy Trap
> > <URL:mailto:fmn...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> [snip]
> > > It was the company the produced the Designer Castles
> > > software.
> >
> > Semerc did:
> > My World - Design a Castle
>
> Yes, but that's IIRC not the same. 'Designer Castles' was a prog just for
> that purpose - and produced complete printed 'nets', complete with all
> the necessary glue tabs, for building the castle.
I tried Designer Castles on the Iyonix some time ago and it does appear
to run under Aemulor.
Not tested all the functions, but it did at least start up OK.
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John Cartmell
<ef...@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
> In message <335717f44c%D...@therpc.f9.co.uk> Graham Pegg
> <D...@therpc.f9.co.uk> wrote thus:
> > In message <ant25112...@client.cjemicros.co.uk> Chris Evans
> > <ch...@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <f32078dc.04092...@posting.google.com>,
> > > Privacy Trap <URL:mailto:fmn...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > [snip]
> > > > It was the company the produced the Designer Castles software.
> > >
> > > Semerc did: My World - Design a Castle
> >
> > Yes, but that's IIRC not the same. 'Designer Castles' was a prog just
> > for that purpose - and produced complete printed 'nets', complete with
> > all the necessary glue tabs, for building the castle.
> I tried Designer Castles on the Iyonix some time ago and it does appear
> to run under Aemulor.
> Not tested all the functions, but it did at least start up OK.
What is it & where from?
Klintworth
Just got out my copy of Designer Castles. It's by Data Design from way
back in 1988. It uses a Printware ROM, around which they were planning
other Designer packages. I also have the Medieval Villages add-on, and
IIRC they were planning a Wild West one and a Space one, but I never saw
those. The address in the handbook is: 'Gowanbank', 3 Botham Hall Road,
Longwood, Huddersfield, HD3 4RJ and the 'phone # is (0484) 653176. I
guess the code will have changed! I think it would be great to have a
Risc OS version!
Paul :)
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John Cartmell
> John Cartmell <jo...@cartmell.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:<4cf41bf...@cartmell.demon.co.uk>...
> > In article <335717f44c%D...@therpc.f9.co.uk>, Graham Pegg
> > <D...@therpc.f9.co.uk> wrote:
> > > In message <ant25112...@client.cjemicros.co.uk> Chris Evans
> > > <ch...@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > > In article <f32078dc.04092...@posting.google.com>,
> > > > Privacy Trap <URL:mailto:fmn...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > [snip]
> > > > > It was the company the produced the Designer Castles software.
> > > >
> > > > Semerc did: My World - Design a Castle
> > > >
> > > > we have that in stock!
> >
> > > Yes, but that's IIRC not the same. 'Designer Castles' was a prog
> > > just for that purpose - and produced complete printed 'nets',
> > > complete with all the necessary glue tabs, for building the castle.
> >
> > Was it, by any chance, a version of TABS by Aspex Software? The only
> > alternative program (but I don't know about the Castles) is the one
> > >by Mike Battersby "!Flatpack" - see Qercus 272.
> Hmm, I haven't had a subscription since you were Acorn User WAY back in
> 1993.
> A review of the BBC Micro 'Designer Castles' software by Data Design
> appears in the March 1989 issue of BBC Acorn User(P90-91) as the article
> 'Cut out and Keep'
> Data Design went on to produce Medival Villages, Designer Environment,
> (possibly Designer Logic), and Arc versions of Designer Castles and
> medival Villages.
It would be interesting to see if the arc versions would run (or could be
made to run) on a modern RISC OS machine.
> I happen to like Designer Castles, and would love to see the concept
> revived.
> As for Tabs - I am aware of it but it worked very differently from
> Designer Castles.
How?
> !Flatpack was software I wasn't aware of, Is it proprietary software or
> was it a contribution for a Quercus?
It's produced by Mike Battersby who wrote the article in the (about to be)
current issue of Qercus. The software is available from:
http://www.jellybaby.net/rougol/general/index.html
> As mentioned elsewhere in this thread, Wild West and Space were planned
> by Data Design but did not appear. My thoughts for 'buliding' ideas
> would be more mundane historical ideas as in - Monastic
> Buldings, Churches, Cathedrals, and other medival buildings. - Roman era
> forts & villas. - 19th Century industry. - New England/15th/16th
> Century. - 17th-19th Century forts (Naval or otherwise...)
> Other than that the whole spectrum of 'Modern' buildings presents itself.
Send me an e-mail please (jo...@qercus.com) with a returnable address about
these ideas. [NB only one U in Qercus].
> The other use I had for a Printware type system was suprisingly Kitchen
> Units, storage systems, and Interior design, but there are presumably
> high-tech CAD systems that produce such cut-out models from input
> blue-prints already.
Have you seen the Spex+ system from Aspex? You can switch between plan and
isometric views of such items and it incorporates other (eg costing)
elements. Whether they still supply their RISC OS version is another
question.
Qercus editor
<fmn...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> John Cartmell <jo...@cartmell.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> Well, I'll try and dig outh the articles on the Arc programs that were
> in The Micro User. I belive the Arc verisons were full Risc OS apps.
I wonder if we have any re-publication copyright??
Please let me have the details by e-mail.
> > > I happen to like Designer Castles, and would love to see the concept
> > > revived.
> >
> > > As for Tabs - I am aware of it but it worked very differently from
> > > Designer Castles.
> >
> > How?
> >
> Tabs as I understand did 'net'-generation from a dull 3D model whereas
> 'Printware' relied on having fixed model 'parts' and models AFIAK.
I'm still not understanding the difference.
> > > !Flatpack was software I wasn't aware of, Is it proprietary software
> > > or was it a contribution for a Quercus?
> >
> > It's produced by Mike Battersby who wrote the article in the (about to
> > be) current issue of Qercus. The software is available from:
> > http://www.jellybaby.net/rougol/general/index.html
> >
> OK will take a look, I'm assuming the zips on that page to be accesible
> with Spakplug or ArcFS
Yes - but there seems to be a problem with using the program at the moment.
i've asked Mike to look into it.
> > > As mentioned elsewhere in this thread, Wild West and Space were
> > > planned by Data Design but did not appear. My thoughts for
> > > 'buliding' ideas would be more mundane historical ideas as in -
> > > Monastic Buldings, Churches, Cathedrals, and other medival
> > > buildings. - Roman era forts & villas. - 19th Century industry. -
> > > New England/15th/16th Century. - 17th-19th Century forts (Naval or
> > > otherwise...)
> >
> > > Other than that the whole spectrum of 'Modern' buildings presents
> > > itself.
> >
> > Send me an e-mail please (jo...@qercus.com) with a returnable address
> > about these ideas. [NB only one U in Qercus].
> >
> I will do so, but if there was scope for product/concept development It
> would need input from Data Design, hence my attempts to trace them.
> After all as I stated earlier 'Printware' was thier concept.
Of course.
> > > The other use I had for a Printware type system was suprisingly
> > > Kitchen Units, storage systems, and Interior design, but there are
> > > presumably high-tech CAD systems that produce such cut-out models
> > > from input blue-prints already.
> >
> > Have you seen the Spex+ system from Aspex? You can switch between plan
> > and isometric views of such items and it incorporates other (eg
> > costing) elements. Whether they still supply their RISC OS version is
> > another question.
> Is the Spex+ system able to generate a cut-out model from a design? If
> it is then that's one use of Printware types software that's already
> catered for?
No (AFAIK) just visualise and do associated spreadsheet work.
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Eddie Lord
Klintworth <paul_kl...@telus.net> wrote thus:
Just had a look through my files and I had a letter from Data Design in
Feb 94, Address: BBIC, Innovation Way, Barnsley, S Yorkshire, S75 1JL
Phone 0226 249590
A quick search of companies house didn't find anything directly, but
there are a couple of Data Designs in the yellow pages.
http://ws6info.companieshouse.gov.uk/info/
http://search.yell.com/ucs/HomePageAction.do
John Cartmell
> Hmm AFAIK There was only 1 or 2 packages for doing model construction
> from CAD on the PC.
On the Acorn there was Home, Street, Moon, School, Kitchen, &c
> I know that cut-out kitchens is hardly going to be a killer app for the
> Arc but it might be an excellent application of the 'Printware' concept
> outside of the Education sector were it originated.
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Martin Wuerthner
John Cartmell <jo...@cartmell.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <f32078dc.04092...@posting.google.com>, Privacy Trap
> <fmn...@hotmail.com> wrote: [Spex+}
> > Hmm AFAIK There was only 1 or 2 packages for doing model construction
> > from CAD on the PC.
>
> On the Acorn there was Home, Street, Moon, School, Kitchen, &c
I think you misunderstood FMNT80: He was referring to software packages,
not to environments for Spex+.
Martin
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"Farlie,A" <use...@gfarlie.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> John Cartmell <jo...@cartmell.demon.co.uk> wrote in
> news:4cf4884...@cartmell.demon.co.uk:
>
> > Have you seen the Spex+ system from Aspex? You can switch between plan
> > and isometric views of such items and it incorporates other (eg
> > costing) elements. Whether they still supply their RISC OS version is
> > another question.
> >
>
> In relation to something. I'm suprsied that when I found out today that
> Spex+ and Tabs seem to be from the same organisation (Aspex Software)
> that there doesn't seem to be a link up between the two programs.
> (Maybe I've missed it.)
The two programs do completely different things.
Basically, Spex+ is not a 3D package. It just allows you to place objects
from a library on a 2D plan view. The library has predefined 3D drawings
for these objects from 4 angles that are used to display a 3D isometric
view. Spex+ does not know anything about the 3D structure of these
objects - basically, the 3D isometric view is just a nicer way of
displaying the 2D plan view.