!MSN and !Natter not being listened to!
Mark
having checked !Natter no longer can connect "Connection refused (not
listening at destination)"
What about !Grapevine?
No comment about this problem on the !Natter site or Grapevine.
the RiscMSN news smartgroup has flagged it up however, anyone know what
is going on?
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Alan Wrigley
Mark <ma...@foweraker.com> wrote:
> It appears that something has changed at MSN which means that !MSN and
> having checked !Natter no longer can connect "Connection refused (not
> listening at destination)"
>
> What about !Grapevine?
Connected to MSN with Grapevine and chatting aweay happily as I type...
Alan
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Mark Rowan
Mark <ma...@foweraker.com> wrote:
> It appears that something has changed at MSN which means that !MSN and
> having checked !Natter no longer can connect "Connection refused (not
> listening at destination)"
Russell announced on the mailing list today that he's fixed it and is
hoping to release a long-awaited update today, which will also allow
Natter to connect to MSN again.
HTH,
Mark
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bob...@nospamukgateway.net
I find I am unable to print Impression files with images larger than
a couple of Mb. I vaguely remember being told there is some limitation
in Acorn machines.
Is this so and how can I get around it?
My main interest is producing post script files to be sent
to a commercial printer.
Bob
John Cartmell
<bob...@NOSPAMukgateway.net> wrote:
> HI
Well I usually use Ovation Pro but I've just tested Impression Style with a
5MB TIFF file that I'm including in next month's magazine and it produces a
PostScript file OK and is now (slowly) making a pdf file from the 5MB
PostScript file.
No apparent problems.
<aside> I have to say that David Cowell's production of Impressionist style
paintings from modern photographs is remarkable - my test file being one
example </aside>
The pdf is a mere 2254K but csa readers will be pleased to note that I'm
not sending either file as an attachment. ;-)
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Alex Bach Andersen
date 16 Nov, wrote a daemon named Alan Wrigley:
>Connected to MSN with Grapevine and chatting aweay happily as I type...
>
Same here using Miranda-ICQ on a PC.
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Chris Ward
<URL:mailto:jo...@cartmell.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <ddacd096...@ukgateway.net>,
> <bob...@NOSPAMukgateway.net> wrote:
> > HI
>
> > I find I am unable to print Impression files with images larger than
> > a couple of Mb. I vaguely remember being told there is some limitation
> > in Acorn machines.
>
> > Is this so and how can I get around it?
>
> > My main interest is producing post script files to be sent
> > to a commercial printer.
>
> Well I usually use Ovation Pro but I've just tested Impression Style with a
> 5MB TIFF file that I'm including in next month's magazine and it produces a
> PostScript file OK and is now (slowly) making a pdf file from the 5MB
> PostScript file.
> No apparent problems.
> <aside> I have to say that David Cowell's production of Impressionist style
> paintings from modern photographs is remarkable - my test file being one
> example </aside>
>
> The pdf is a mere 2254K but csa readers will be pleased to note that I'm
> not sending either file as an attachment. ;-)
>
My last set of lesson notes was 29Mb (29 945 149 bytes) done in TWPro - sent to a
Paul Richardson Kycoera PS1700+ , the 67 sides take about 5 minutes to print out,
but are then plonked straight on the photocopier for onwards distribution.
Oh - I haven't attached it, as most of it would be boring content for the reader.
Chris
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John Cartmell
<chrisward...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <4b96fe5...@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell
> <URL:mailto:jo...@cartmell.demon.co.uk> wrote:
[Snip]
> > Well I usually use Ovation Pro but I've just tested Impression Style
> > with a 5MB TIFF file that I'm including in next month's magazine and
> > it produces a PostScript file OK and is now (slowly) making a pdf file
> > from the 5MB PostScript file. No apparent problems. <aside> I have to
> > say that David Cowell's production of Impressionist style paintings
> > from modern photographs is remarkable - my test file being one example
> > </aside>
> >
> > The pdf is a mere 2254K but csa readers will be pleased to note that
> > I'm not sending either file as an attachment. ;-)
> >
> My last set of lesson notes was 29Mb (29 945 149 bytes) done in TWPro -
> sent to a Paul Richardson Kycoera PS1700+ , the 67 sides take about 5
> minutes to print out, but are then plonked straight on the photocopier
> for onwards distribution.
My 5MB was one graphic!
[Snip]
Alan Griffin
I send a Christmas letter out every year, which is full of colour
pictures. They are usually about 20 Mb, and print out O.K. on Impression
Publisher (version 4.11).
Alan Griffin
Alan Griffin
Martin Wuerthner
bob...@NOSPAMukgateway.net wrote:
> I find I am unable to print Impression files with images larger than
> a couple of Mb. I vaguely remember being told there is some limitation
> in Acorn machines.
You have not been very specific: What do you mean by "unable"? What
happens? An error message? A crash? Is the printer just sitting there
accepting the data but printing nothing?
> My main interest is producing post script files to be sent
> to a commercial printer.
I have done that successfully with Impression many times. Nowadays, I feed
the PostScript file through GhostScript to turn it into a PDF though as
most printers are MUCH happier with PDF.
Martin
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John Evans
I regularly generate 30+Mb Postscript (and PCL) printout files from Ovation
Pro. However one dodgy font and the whole thing goes bananas! Strangely
this occured when I loaded a MSWord file into Techwriter and output a !Draw
file for use in an Ovation frame. Printing from Ovation then overwrote
screen memory and/or produced a Type5 error in Ovation. The cure was to
output a text only file and rebuild/reformat the item by hand.
Incidentally the operating system was affected and a full reboot required.
I think the problem is in my Arial font - but am not sure.
John
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bob...@nospamukgateway.net
Martin Wuerthner <mar...@invalidMW-software.com.invalid> wrote:
> In message <ddacd096...@ukgateway.net>
> bob...@NOSPAMukgateway.net wrote:
>
> > I find I am unable to print Impression files with images larger than
> > a couple of Mb. I vaguely remember being told there is some limitation
> > in Acorn machines.
>
> You have not been very specific: What do you mean by "unable"? What
> happens? An error message? A crash? Is the printer just sitting there
> accepting the data but printing nothing?
>
> > My main interest is producing post script files to be sent
> > to a commercial printer.
>
> I have done that successfully with Impression many times. Nowadays, I feed
> the PostScript file through GhostScript to turn it into a PDF though as
> most printers are MUCH happier with PDF.
>
> Martin
I do not get any error messages.
If I try to print a page containing text with a large graphic, only the text is printed with a blank space where the graphic should be.
The graphic will only be printed if it is reduced in size by lowering the resolution.
I have tried printing from an evaluation copy of Ovation but experienced the same problem
Bob
Martin Wuerthner
bob...@NOSPAMukgateway.net wrote:
> In message <82a20098...@mw-software.com>
> Martin Wuerthner <mar...@invalidMW-software.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> > In message <ddacd096...@ukgateway.net>
> > bob...@NOSPAMukgateway.net wrote:
> >
> > > I find I am unable to print Impression files with images larger than
> > > a couple of Mb. I vaguely remember being told there is some limitation
> > > in Acorn machines.
> >
> > You have not been very specific: What do you mean by "unable"? What
> > happens? An error message? A crash? Is the printer just sitting there
> > accepting the data but printing nothing?
>
> I do not get any error messages.
>
> If I try to print a page containing text with a large graphic, only the
> text is printed with a blank space where the graphic should be.
>
> The graphic will only be printed if it is reduced in size by lowering
> the resolution.
>
> I have tried printing from an evaluation copy of Ovation but
> experienced the same problem
Ah, yes, this is a typical problem.
You have not told us what printer and printer driver you are using.
I guess, you have a PostScript printer? If not, then ignore the rest of
this post. If yes, then read on:
First of all, check the generated PostScript file using GhostScript (use
the GView front-end and enter a small scaling factor to save time). Do
the graphics appear?
If so, there could be two possible reasons for the printer not printing
them: Either, you do not have enough memory in your printer, which is
highly likely if you use it with the amount of RAM it is shipped with. My
Brother HL-1270 came with a meagre 4MB of RAM, this just leads you
nowhere. I now have 32MB in it (the maximum), which is just about enough.
The second possibility is indeed a limitation in the PS printer drivers:
The way sprites with <= 256 colours (or all sprites if you turn "Colour"
off in the printer driver settings) are printed often exceeds some
internal printer PostScript implementation limits.
Check the graphic: Does it have <= 256 colours? If so, replace it with a
16M colour version and make sure you turn the "Colour" button on in the
PostScript printer driver configuration.
Gavin Crawford
There is also a third possibility. The PostScript device's interpreter
may not handle the PostScript data correctly. For example we can send
the same output generated via the RISC OS level 2 print driver to an
AGFA level 2 hardware RIP with no problems, but the same file sent to a
HP 8150DN laser will not print large sprites, even though the HP has
more memory.
It should be noted that the HP doesn't use an Adobe interpreter which
reduces the cost as there is no licence fee. Many other laser printer
manufacturers do the same. Not all PostScript devices are created
equal.
As Martin Wuerthner has suggested, use GhostScript to check the output,
if all looks OK then ask the printing firm to try it and get a proof.
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web: www.crawford-print.co.uk
John Tytgat
>It should be noted that the HP doesn't use an Adobe interpreter which
>reduces the cost as there is no licence fee.
>
Well I'm sure there is a licence fee but not an Adobe licence fee.
> Many other laser printer
>manufacturers do the same. Not all PostScript devices are created
>equal.
>
In this case you seem to deal with an inferior product. It is a
PostScript clone RIP afterall.
John.
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Gavin Crawford
> >It should be noted that the HP doesn't use an Adobe interpreter which
> >reduces the cost as there is no licence fee.
> >
> Well I'm sure there is a licence fee but not an Adobe licence fee.
Yes, sorry. I re-wrote that a few times to get it to make sense but
it still came out wrong.
> > Many other laser printer
> >manufacturers do the same. Not all PostScript devices are created
> >equal.
> >
> In this case you seem to deal with an inferior product. It is a
> PostScript clone RIP afterall.
The AGFA RIP that drives the imagesetter uses an Adobe written
interpreter. That produces the required output with no problem.
If 'clone' means not Adobe written, then yes, the HP laser printer is
the device that uses a 'clone' interpreter. Which is my point about
different PostScript devices (with different RIPs) producing different
results from the same code.
Which makes the job of proofing the output on different
devices/interpreters rather pointless.
Mitch Crawford
> It is a PostScript clone RIP afterall.
It isn't a clone of an Adobe interpreter though, because it interprets it
differently :-)
I can't fault the HP's either, they've all worked exceptionally well, but
the output device IS different, and work (may be) adjusted to suit.