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T M Smith
separated by comma's,I.E addresses.
Despite reading the instructions I now cannot get this to function.
I can get the field headers separated by comma's but not the fields?
I am using V9.24
Anyone guess what I am doing wrong.
Malcolm Smith
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Martin Wynn
T M Smith <thomas....@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> I am sure that in the past I have exported CSV files with the fields
> separated by comma's,I.E addresses.
> Despite reading the instructions I now cannot get this to function.
> I can get the field headers separated by comma's but not the fields?
> I am using V9.24
>
> Anyone guess what I am doing wrong.
>
> Malcolm Smith
>
Menu(over record)> CSV files > export
Simple...*squeek*
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John Williams (News)
T M Smith <thomas....@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> Anyone guess what I am doing
Christmas cards?
John
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T M Smith
Martin Wynn <m.w...@SPAMYENOTblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <29fb7ec150.Broadband@thomas/smith57.ntlworld.com>
> T M Smith <thomas....@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>> I am sure that in the past I have exported CSV files with the fields
>> separated by comma's,I.E addresses.
>> Despite reading the instructions I now cannot get this to function.
>> I can get the field headers separated by comma's but not the fields?
>> I am using V9.24
>>
>> Anyone guess what I am doing wrong.
>>
>> Malcolm Smith
>>
> Menu(over record)> CSV files > export
>
> Simple...*squeek*
>
> Martin.
>
Thats what I have been doing. Data exports OK but the fields are
separated by spaces, not comma's!!
Malcolm
Brian Howlett
> Martin Wynn wrote:
[snip]
>>>
>> Menu(over record)> CSV files > export
>>
>> Simple...*squeek*
>>
> Thats what I have been doing. Data exports OK but the fields are
> separated by spaces, not comma's!!
Menu over the database, CSV files > Options - check the Separator
option. You probably have it set to TAB. Just change it to Comma.
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T M Smith
Brian Howlett <news-s...@brianhowlett.me.uk> wrote:
> On 29 Nov, T M Smith wrote:
>
>> Martin Wynn wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>>>>
>>> Menu(over record)> CSV files > export
>>>
>>> Simple...*squeek*
>>>
>> Thats what I have been doing. Data exports OK but the fields are
>> separated by spaces, not comma's!!
>
> Menu over the database, CSV files > Options - check the Separator
> option. You probably have it set to TAB. Just change it to Comma.
No, there is some other problem here.
Last Xmases file is OK, separated by comma's
This year tick what I like but only spaces as separaters, and I cannot
switch off the record numbers.
T M Smith
>> Menu over the database, CSV files > Options - check the Separator
>> option. You probably have it set to TAB. Just change it to Comma.
> No, there is some other problem here.
> Last Xmases file is OK, separated by comma's
> This year tick what I like but only spaces as separaters, and I cannot
> switch off the record numbers.
>
> Malcolm
>
worked???
Jeremy Nicoll - news posts
> Thats what I have been doing. Data exports OK but the fields are
> separated by spaces, not comma's!!
I know this is an off-topic comment, but could you explain to me why you see
a need to put an apostrophe into "comma's", but not into "fields" or
"spaces"?
All those words were plurals, but you only put an apostrophe in once. (None
of them should have had one.)
Then there's "Thats" which needed one but didn't get it.
What logic are you using for this?
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Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp....@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> wrote:
> I know this is an off-topic comment, but ...
Would such observations, which are indeed off-topic, be better suited to a
personal e-mail rather than a public whipping?
You are entitled to take exception to a poster's use-of-English, but is
public vilification likely to be productive, or even mildly helpful?
Were I the OP, I would take exception to this.
Please reflect before posting such criticism publicly.
I can't fault your grammar or punctuation in this case, but question the
wisdom of your posting, which may indeed result in others examining your
own postings with a fine tooth-comb to establish a pot-kettle-black
relationship.
The best of us can make mistakes, even those dwelling in glass houses.
Nothing personal, you understand. I suggest a polite withdrawal is in order.
Jeremy Nicoll - news posts
> You are entitled to take exception to a poster's use-of-English,
Thank-you, that's very gracious of you.
> but is public vilification likely to be productive, or even mildly
> helpful?
I intend not to vilify (and do not in fact think I have done so), but to
find out WHY. Possibly that could be helpful.
The post I replied to was the third (at least) in a series of posts in which
the OP consistently put an apostrophe into "commas", so it's unlikely to be
a typo. He's clearly doing it for a reason, and I simply wondered what that
is. Perhaps I could have expressed the curiousity aspect better.
I don't normally react to misplaced apostrophes scattered randomly through
text; what made me ask this time was the OP's dogged determination to do it
every time.
Paul Sprangers
> ... comma's ...
> what made me ask this time was the OP's dogged determination to do it
> every time.
Some decades ago, a national Dutch newspaper was the platform of a fierce
controversy between a linguist and one of our main writers: W. F. Hermans.
The latter had written a novel, called: Homme's hoest - which can be
translated by: the cough of Homme.
The linguist was pedantic and told Hermans that, since Homme's was a
genetivus, he should have written Hommes hoest. Hermans, however, stated
that he didn't want the readers to believe that the book was called Hommes
is coughing, which is indeed the same in Dutch - that is, when leaving out
the apostrophe,
Apart from the fun of increasing insults in every new letter, during many
weeks, it also taught me that linguistic rules do not always cover every
situation.
For some reason, I don't know which one, I would have written 'comma's'
too. Without that apostrophe, it looks so, mmm... closed. But of course,
I'm Dutch and by no means a linguist (or a writer).
Kind regards,
Paul Sprangers
John Williams (News)
Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp....@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> wrote:
> I intend not to vilify (and do not in fact think I have done so), but to
> find out WHY. Possibly that could be helpful.
Indeed - and my point was that this could be done more effectively, and
without any need for public humiliation, by e-mail.
Perhaps you might care to reflect on that.
I shall not respond further. My point is made.
Russell Hafter News
<Spa...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <50c2001e...@tiscali.co.uk>, John
> Williams (News) <UCE...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> > The best of us can make mistakes, even those dwelling
> > in glass houses.
> > Nothing personal, you understand. I suggest a polite
> > withdrawal is in order.
> Yes, interesting isn't it. Perhaps these groups should be
> re-titled comp.sys.english-grammar.criticism.
[Snip]
> Is this group full of english teachers and former english
> teachers?
> I may, of course, have been guilty of such criticism
> myself in the past and if I have and have offended anyone
> I apologise.
I recently heard (from a source that I would trust, but do
not recall) that contrary to what the Daily Mail and others
would have us believe about the 'recent' decline in proper
understanding of the use of the apostrophe, grammar experts
have been winging about it for over 200 years, at which
time, of course, far fewer people could write anyway.
Reminds of the speech our hiedie made at the start of the
session in the mid 1990s. He read a newspaper report on the
'appalling state' of the current education system, sounded
as though it had come from the Daily Mail the day before.
It was actually the London Times of 1918.
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John
<gemini.ktw7x...@wingsandbeaks.org.uk.invalid>,
> I intend not to vilify (and do not in fact think I have
> done so), but to find out WHY. Possibly that could be
> helpful.
If the cause were some physical/neurological condition
which he suffered, do you think he would be happy to
discuss it here? Your wish, to know why, could be seen as
selfish or thoughtless.
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Russell Hafter News <see...@walkingingermany.invalid>
wrote:
> I recently heard (from a source that I would trust, but do
> not recall) that contrary to what the Daily Mail and others
> would have us believe about the 'recent' decline in proper
> understanding of the use of the apostrophe, grammar experts
> have been winging about it for over 200 years, at which
> time, of course, far fewer people could write anyway.
> Reminds of the speech our hiedie made at the start of the
> session in the mid 1990s. He read a newspaper report on the
> 'appalling state' of the current education system, sounded
> as though it had come from the Daily Mail the day before.
> It was actually the London Times of 1918.
The phenomenon of the "greengrocer's apostrophe" is certainly not new.
There's a 19th century noticeboard in a church near here which refers
to a legacy to provide a small sum of money to "twelve poor widow's"
[sic] on a certain day each year.
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Peter Naulls
> Is this group full of english teachers and former english teachers?
FWIW, it should be "English".
> I may, of course, have been guilty of such criticism myself in the past
> and if I have and have offended anyone I apologise.
>
None required, but it's "RISC OS" in your sig.
> Risc OS Midlands show Sat 5th Dec.
Dave Symes
John <new...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> In article
> <gemini.ktw7x...@wingsandbeaks.org.uk.invalid>,
> Jeremy Nicoll - news posts
> <jn.nntp....@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> wrote:
> > I intend not to vilify (and do not in fact think I have
> > done so), but to find out WHY. Possibly that could be
> > helpful.
> If the cause were some physical/neurological condition
> which he suffered, do you think he would be happy to
> discuss it here? Your wish, to know why, could be seen as
> selfish or thoughtless.
> John
Tooooo much PC creeping in here... Awooga awooga! danger of GD the GM
getting out of his cage.
I don't think Jeremy was being selfish or thoughtless, just inquisitive,
and It would be interesting to know the answer.
Far far to much creeping around words these days.
Stick and stones etc etc.
For goodness sake people get some damn backbone.
So the OP might have some problems, so... many of us do.
When I was being treated by a Shrink over 20 years ago, the thing he
impressed on me was...
Talk about it openly, don't hide your problem, and most of all don't let
the words of others intimidate you.
I don't expect the rest of the world to revolve around my problems, It
would be nice if they did, but that's just not the way it works.
A while back when I was in a very dark place, none of you ceased writing
the stuff that got the GM out of his pram... And that's how it should be,
if I can't take the heat, I should get out of the kitchen; not expect the
rest of you to tread differently.
Enuff otherwise he will get out.... ;-)
Dave
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John
<da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> Tooooo much PC creeping in here...
Definitely not PC. I'm almost offended that you think so.
> Awooga awooga! danger of GD the GM getting out of his
> cage.
Get a stronger cage. ;-)
Jeremy Nicoll - news posts
> For some reason, I don't know which one, I would have written 'comma's'
> too. Without that apostrophe, it looks so, mmm... closed. But of course,
> I'm Dutch and by no means a linguist (or a writer).
I've been pondering why as well. It struck me that the reason the OP
thought it necessary (perhaps also your reason as I think 'closed' hints at
it), might be that "comma" is a word with an unusual final letter. He may
feel that the apostrophe is required to delimit the natural ending of the
singular word.
Possibly this may be why we often see things like:
CD's when CDs is all that was needed
It's always amused me that Chris of "CJE Micro's" has claimed that the
apostrophe represents the letters "computer". I'm somewhat inclined to
think that if that's the case, he should really have a business called
C'J'E' Micro's
Jeremy Nicoll - news posts
> In article
> <gemini.ktw7x...@wingsandbeaks.org.uk.invalid>,
> Jeremy Nicoll - news posts
> <jn.nntp....@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> wrote:
>
> > I intend not to vilify (and do not in fact think I have
> > done so), but to find out WHY. Possibly that could be
> > helpful.
>
> If the cause were some physical/neurological condition
> which he suffered, do you think he would be happy to
> discuss it here? Your wish, to know why, could be seen as
> selfish or thoughtless.
If it were such a thing, I think it would be useful for us all to learn that
such a cause is possible.
Personally I think it unlikely, mainly because of the consistent
mistreatment of a single word. My question after all, was predominantly
about the nature of that single word and why it had been singled out for
such treatment. I'd expect someone with a neurological problem to have more
obvious/general typographical traits.
Jeremy Nicoll - news posts
> In article <gemini.ktw7x...@wingsandbeaks.org.uk.invalid>,
> Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp....@wingsandbeaks.org.uk>
wrote:
>
> > I intend not to vilify (and do not in fact think I have done so), but to
> > find out WHY. Possibly that could be helpful.
>
> Indeed - and my point was that this could be done more effectively, and
> without any need for public humiliation, by e-mail.
>
> Perhaps you might care to reflect on that.
>
> I shall not respond further. My point is made.
Fine, but actually I think it's you that's introduced the idea of
humiliation and vilification, not me.
One might argue that a public discussion is of more general interest (as it
has turned out to be). Also if I'd resorted to a private mail that could
well have been seen by the recipient more as a private attack.
Dave Symes
John <new...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> > Awooga awooga! danger of GD the GM getting out of his
> > cage.
> Get a stronger cage. ;-)
> John
If you've ever regularly inhabited a very dark place... There is no cage
strong enough... You are the cage.
But I do see your point. :-)~
Dave
I shall now remove myself from this thread.
D.
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> Stick and stones etc etc.
Shouldn't that be "too" much?
Alan Griffin
T M Smith
> T M Smith <thomas....@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>> Thats what I have been doing. Data exports OK but the fields are
>> separated by spaces, not comma's!!
>
> I know this is an off-topic comment, but could you explain to me why you see
> a need to put an apostrophe into "comma's", but not into "fields" or
> "spaces"?
>
> All those words were plurals, but you only put an apostrophe in once. (None
> of them should have had one.)
>
> Then there's "Thats" which needed one but didn't get it.
>
> What logic are you using for this?
>
None, obviously. It depends mostly on how my fingers hit the keys.
Ray Dawson
I dread to think what contributors here would do if they received a text
from a teenager ;)
Cheers,
Ray D
John
<da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> I shall now remove myself from this thread.
A jolly good idea. I shall do likewise.
John
<gemini.ktxsa...@wingsandbeaks.org.uk.invalid>,
> > If the cause were some physical/neurological condition
> > which he suffered, do you think he would be happy to
> > discuss it here? Your wish, to know why, could be seen
> > as selfish or thoughtless.
> If it were such a thing, I think it would be useful for
> us all to learn that such a cause is possible.
In the same way that you put two unnecessary spaces after a
full stop and before starting a new paragraph? I can't for
the life of me imagine how this could be useful.
> Personally I think it unlikely, mainly because of the
> consistent mistreatment of a single word. My question
> after all, was predominantly about the nature of that
> single word and why it had been singled out for such
> treatment. I'd expect someone with a neurological
> problem to have more obvious/general typographical
> traits.
Well, there you have an advantage over me. As a general
incompetent, I have no expectations whatsoever with regard
possible typographical manifestations of neurologic
problems.
Brian Carroll
<gemini.ktyx7s0...@magray.freeserve.co.uk>, Ray
Dawson <r...@magray.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
[Snip]
> I dread to think what contributors here would do if they
> received a text from a teenager ;)
To get an insight into the standard of writing of some of the
younger generation, Freecycle is hard to beat. Of the 40-50
emails I get daily at least 5 contain solecisms, some of which
are hilarious. Even so, it is very rare to receive one that is
incomprehensible.
Brian.
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<gemini.ktyx7s0...@magray.freeserve.co.uk>,
Ray Dawson <r...@magray.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
2 mch 2 cntmpl8
> Cheers,
> Ray D
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> I dread to think what contributors here would do if they received a text
> from a teenager ;)
Teenagers? The source of the abomination known as "text speak" isn't just
limited to them, you know.
Personally, although I call it an abomination[1], I don't object to
receiving it in text messages. This is for two main reasons: Firstly,
because text entry on most mobile keypads can be cumbersome, and secondly
because a single text message has a limited amount of characters, and some
people would rather squeeze what they want to say into a single message if
possible. That's fair enough. (Although, personally, I write what I want to
say in full, and if that takes more than one message, then that's what it
takes.)
What I object to is when people go on to use it where they don't *need* to,
where space *isn't* at a premium - certainly not for the message they wish
to convey.
[1] and dread to think how my older usenet posts might come across! (But
then, back at the start I was on dial up and the longer I spent online, the
more I paid my telephone provider - so 2 for two, etc, was a cost saving
exercise!)
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Chris Evans
Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <URL:mailto:jn.nntp....@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> wrote:
> It's always amused me that Chris of "CJE Micro's" has claimed that the
> apostrophe represents the letters "computer". I'm somewhat inclined to
> think that if that's the case, he should really have a business called
>
> C'J'E' Micro's
But the business has never been called "Christopher J Evans Microcomputers"
It was registered under the Business Names Act as "CJE Microcomputers"
;-)
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Jeremy Nicoll - news posts
> In the same way that you put two unnecessary spaces after a
> full stop and before starting a new paragraph? I can't for
> the life of me imagine how this could be useful.
I type in a monospace font, and the text is displayed equally spaced, rather
than justified and filled as a WP or DTP program would do. I find reading
easier if the end of a sentence is clearly delimited.
Jeremy Nicoll - news posts
> To get an insight into the standard of writing of some of the
> younger generation, Freecycle is hard to beat. Of the 40-50
> emails I get daily at least 5 contain solecisms, some of which
> are hilarious. Even so, it is very rare to receive one that is
> incomprehensible.
Freecycle (Freegle) in Edinburgh produces far far more than 50 messages per
day, so I only rarely subscribe. When I do, I find evidence of illiteracy
common. I'm not sure though that it's limited to the very young.
John
<gemini.ktz94...@wingsandbeaks.org.uk.invalid>,
>
> > In the same way that you put two unnecessary spaces
> > after a full stop and before starting a new paragraph?
> > I can't for the life of me imagine how this could be
> > useful.
> I type in a monospace font, and the text is displayed
> equally spaced, rather than justified and filled as a WP
> or DTP program would do. I find reading easier if the
> end of a sentence is clearly delimited.
You've missed my point. As displayed in Pluto, your post
shows each of the two paragraphs ending with a full stop,
two spaces and a carriage return (or should that be a new
line?)
My point is that the spaces are redundant before the
carriage return. How you use them between sentences is up
to you.
Bryn Evans
> so 2 for two, etc, was a cost saving exercise!
Huh? At Sainsbugs it is 2 for 1 !
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Ollie Clark
> Brian Carroll <bric-...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> To get an insight into the standard of writing of some of the
>> younger generation, Freecycle is hard to beat. Of the 40-50
>> emails I get daily at least 5 contain solecisms, some of which
>> are hilarious. Even so, it is very rare to receive one that is
>> incomprehensible.
>
> Freecycle (Freegle) in Edinburgh produces far far more than 50 messages per
> day, so I only rarely subscribe. When I do, I find evidence of illiteracy
> common. I'm not sure though that it's limited to the very young.
Definitely not exclusively the young. The young tend to use abbreviations
and txt spk but as far as I can see are usually pretty literate - ie.
they know what they're writing is not "correct" but they use it anyway.
Some of the older ones are just illiterate.
Despite people's gnashing of teeth about declining literacy due to
texting there is little evidence to support that. In fact the opposite
may be true:
http://www.textually.org/textually/archives/2009/02/022817.htm
Cheers,
Ollie
Leeds Freegle Owner.
Martin Wuerthner
Bryn Evans <d...@a.invalid> wrote:
> In a mad moment - Vince M Hudd mumbled :
>> so 2 for two, etc, was a cost saving exercise!
> Huh? At Sainsbugs it is 2 for 1 !
The Three Musketeers even offer you all for 1 (and 1 for all).
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I expect BOGOF would be an inappropriate response.
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Bryn Evans
> In message <csaa1abbe...@yo.rk>
> Bryn Evans <d...@a.invalid> wrote:
>> In a mad moment - Vince M Hudd mumbled :
>>> so 2 for two, etc, was a cost saving exercise!
>> Huh? At Sainsbugs it is 2 for 1 !
> The Three Musketeers even offer you all for 1 (and 1 for all).
Touche !
Jeremy Nicoll - news posts
> You've missed my point. As displayed in Pluto, your post
> shows each of the two paragraphs ending with a full stop,
> two spaces and a carriage return (or should that be a new
> line?)
>
> My point is that the spaces are redundant before the
> carriage return. How you use them between sentences is up
> to you.
Oh! Well, it's possible that I'm so used to typing a double space at the
end of any sentence that it just happens that way.
Another possibility is that separate paragraphs were joined at some point
and then I separated them.
But typing this I do see a tendency for me to type the CR after the
automatic spaces.
It's a conspiracy between me and disk-drive manufacturers.
Russell Hafter News
<gemini.ktzul...@wingsandbeaks.org.uk.invalid>,
> Oh! Well, it's possible that I'm so used to typing a
> double space at the end of any sentence that it just
> happens that way.
I remember the first commercial WP guide we had in school in
the mid 1980s. One couple of lines, for some reason, has
always stuck in my mind:-
"Do NOT type a double space after a full stop at the end of
a sentence. You are not typing now."
Knowing the tradition of typing a double space after the end
of a sentence, I assumed that the logic behind this was that
when text was justified, a double space could on occasions
get dragged out to be very wide.
Personally I could never see the point and find double
spaces at the end very unattractive. Looking at a couple of
novels off my shelves, I do not see it there either.
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John
<gemini.ktzul...@wingsandbeaks.org.uk.invalid>,> John <new...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> > You've missed my point. As displayed in Pluto, your
> > post shows each of the two paragraphs ending with a
> > full stop, two spaces and a carriage return (or should
> > that be a new line?)
> >
> > My point is that the spaces are redundant before the
> > carriage return. How you use them between sentences is
> > up to you.
> Oh! Well, it's possible that I'm so used to typing a
> double space at the end of any sentence that it just
> happens that way.
I too was brought up on two spaces after a full stop, from
using a typewriter through to WordPerfect 5 with Courier as
the font. I never found any difficulty in adopting a single
space when moving to a more capable word processor.
> Another possibility is that separate paragraphs were
> joined at some point and then I separated them.
That possibility did occur to me.
> But typing this I do see a tendency for me to type the CR
> after the automatic spaces.
I too have tendencies, but I generally keep them under
control! ;-)
Chris Evans
<URL:mailto:new...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> In article
> <gemini.ktzul...@wingsandbeaks.org.uk.invalid>,
> Jeremy Nicoll - news posts
> <jn.nntp....@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> wrote:
> > John <new...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > You've missed my point. As displayed in Pluto, your
> > > post shows each of the two paragraphs ending with a
> > > full stop, two spaces and a carriage return (or should
> > > that be a new line?)
> > >
> > > My point is that the spaces are redundant before the
> > > carriage return. How you use them between sentences is
> > > up to you.
>
> > Oh! Well, it's possible that I'm so used to typing a
> > double space at the end of any sentence that it just
> > happens that way.
>
> I too was brought up on two spaces after a full stop, from
> using a typewriter through to WordPerfect 5 with Courier as
> the font. I never found any difficulty in adopting a single
> space when moving to a more capable word processor.
I recall being told, two spaces after a comma and three after a full stop!
Barry Gray
Ollie Clark <use...@ollieclark.com> wrote:
> Jeremy Nicoll - news posts wrote:
>> Brian Carroll <bric-...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> To get an insight into the standard of writing of some of the
>>> younger generation, Freecycle is hard to beat. Of the 40-50
>>> emails I get daily at least 5 contain solecisms, some of which
>>> are hilarious. Even so, it is very rare to receive one that is
>>> incomprehensible.
>>
>> Freecycle (Freegle) in Edinburgh produces far far more than 50 messages per
>> day, so I only rarely subscribe. When I do, I find evidence of illiteracy
>> common. I'm not sure though that it's limited to the very young.
> Definitely not exclusively the young. The young tend to use abbreviations
> and txt spk but as far as I can see are usually pretty literate - ie.
> they know what they're writing is not "correct" but they use it anyway.
> Cheers,
> Ollie
> Leeds Freegle Owner.
In my experience the people who think that if it is done on a computer
or mobile phone anything goes are mostly not young.
Perhaps some of the most beautiful books ever produced are mediaeval
Gospels and Books of Hours, of which I have several modern facsimiles.
Lovely to look at but very hard to read, partly because they use a
script with which most people today are unfamiliar, partly because
they are written in Latin, but mainly because they make extensive use
of the mediaeval equivalent of txt spk! I can usually cope fairly well
with the first two but not the last.
--
Barry Gray
http://www.barrygray.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk
A child is a fire to be lit not a vessel to be filled
Steve Fryatt
<50c345ea...@walkingingermany.invalid>:
[Double spaces arfet full stops]
> Personally I could never see the point and find double spaces at the end
> very unattractive. Looking at a couple of novels off my shelves, I do not
> see it there either.
You won't, in proportional text. Double-spaces are often still used in text
written in monospaced fonts, which usenet (and non-HTML email) is still
assumed to be.
--
Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England
M Harding
Russell Hafter News <see...@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:
> In article
> <gemini.ktzul...@wingsandbeaks.org.uk.invalid>,
> Jeremy Nicoll - news posts
> <jn.nntp....@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> wrote:
> > Oh! Well, it's possible that I'm so used to typing a
> > double space at the end of any sentence that it just
> > happens that way.
> I remember the first commercial WP guide we had in school in
> the mid 1980s. One couple of lines, for some reason, has
> always stuck in my mind:-
> "Do NOT type a double space after a full stop at the end of
> a sentence. You are not typing now."
Robin Williams (a female Robin!) wrote a book about this called, I
think, "A Mac is Not a Typewriter".
She also wrote a book which I've found very helpful for amateur
graphic designer use in DTP: "The Non-Designer's Design Book - design
& typographic principles for the visual novice" (Peachpit Press,
Berkeley, California,1994).
Michael Harding (adding to the subject-drift)
Rev. Preb. M.D. Harding ris...@mdharding.org.uk
John
Evans <ch...@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
> I recall being told, two spaces after a comma and three
> after a full stop!
I say, steady on, old chap! That's rather over-egging the
pudding isn't it?
Russell Hafter News
<ris...@mdharding.org.uk> wrote:
> Robin Williams (a female Robin!) wrote a book about this
> called, I think, "A Mac is Not a Typewriter".
During my time in the USA, all the Robins I came across were
female. Also a number of Robyns as well.
Ben Crick
<see...@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:
> During my time in the USA, all the Robins I came across were
> female. Also a number of Robyns as well.
So who killed Cock Robin?
Ben
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Chris Evans
> In article <50c345ea...@walkingingermany.invalid>,
> Russell Hafter News <see...@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:
> > In article
> > <gemini.ktzul...@wingsandbeaks.org.uk.invalid>,
> > Jeremy Nicoll - news posts
> > <jn.nntp....@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> wrote:
>
> > > Oh! Well, it's possible that I'm so used to typing a
> > > double space at the end of any sentence that it just
> > > happens that way.
>
> > I remember the first commercial WP guide we had in school in
> > the mid 1980s. One couple of lines, for some reason, has
> > always stuck in my mind:-
>
> > "Do NOT type a double space after a full stop at the end of
> > a sentence. You are not typing now."
>
> Robin Williams (a female Robin!) wrote a book about this called, I
> think, "A Mac is Not a Typewriter".
In stock
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Also in stock New & S/H
Beyond The Mac Is Not A Typewriter
http://www.cjemicros.co.uk/micros/individual/newprodpages/prodinfo.php?prodcode=CBS-BMNT
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> She also wrote a book which I've found very helpful for amateur
> graphic designer use in DTP: "The Non-Designer's Design Book - design
> & typographic principles for the visual novice" (Peachpit Press,
> Berkeley, California,1994).
>
> Michael Harding (adding to the subject-drift)
> Rev. Preb. M.D. Harding ris...@mdharding.org.uk
>
>
John
<m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> On 2 Dec, Chris Evans <ch...@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
> > I recall being told, two spaces after a comma and three
> > after a full stop!
> That's what I was taught by my typing teacher on a
> mechanical typewriter.
I think you'll find that the entire Civil Service in the
MoD and the Armed Forces would disagree with that. One
space after a comma and two after a full stop was taught
and enforced when typewriters and monospaced fonts were
used. There were manuals
Martin Wynn
John <new...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <50C378FDE0%brian...@lycos.co.uk>,
> <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>> On 2 Dec, Chris Evans <ch...@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> > I recall being told, two spaces after a comma and three
>> > after a full stop!
>
>> That's what I was taught by my typing teacher on a
>> mechanical typewriter.
>
> I think you'll find that the entire Civil Service in the
> MoD and the Armed Forces would disagree with that. One
> space after a comma and two after a full stop was taught
> and enforced when typewriters and monospaced fonts were
> used. There were manuals
JSP 101
Martin.
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A. HTML.
Q. What are the two most annoying things about emails?
John
Martin Wynn <m.w...@SPAMYENOTblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <50c3f7b4...@blueyonder.co.uk> John
> <new...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <50C378FDE0%brian...@lycos.co.uk>,
> > <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> >> On 2 Dec, Chris Evans <ch...@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> > I recall being told, two spaces after a comma and
> >> > three after a full stop!
> >
> >> That's what I was taught by my typing teacher on a
> >> mechanical typewriter.
> >
> > I think you'll find that the entire Civil Service in
> > the MoD and the Armed Forces would disagree with that.
> > One space after a comma and two after a full stop was
> > taught and enforced when typewriters and monospaced
> > fonts were used. There were manuals
> JSP 101
Indeed. I take it you have a background in one of the
services above. Looking at your address, I'm bound to ask
if you work(ed?) at Cosford or Donnington.
Martin Wynn
John <new...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
[snip]
>
> Indeed. I take it you have a background in one of the
> services above. Looking at your address, I'm bound to ask
> if you work(ed?) at Cosford or Donnington.
>
> John
I did.
Jeremy Nicoll - news posts
> In article <50c264b...@triffid.co.uk>,
> Dave Symes <da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> > Enuff otherwise he will get out.... ;-)
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8339647.stm
A surprisingly high proportion of the comments on that page have been
submitted by people of type 'Dave'. And for all we know, the others, eg
"Amanda" [look, there's a 'DA' in that], might be closet Daves.
Dave Symes
> > In article <50c264b...@triffid.co.uk>,
> > Dave Symes <da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> > > Enuff otherwise he will get out.... ;-)
> >
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8339647.stm
> A surprisingly high proportion of the comments on that page have been
> submitted by people of type 'Dave'. And for all we know, the others, eg
> "Amanda" [look, there's a 'DA' in that], might be closet Daves.
Mmnnn! If one were the sort of person (Climate change) to massage the
statistics, it could be said, if there's a "da" in your name you are sure
to be a grump.
Dave
Interestingly my second name begins with A, so as well as being Dave, I'm
also D A Symes double whammy. :-(
--
Dave Triffid
Tim Hill
<ch...@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <gemini.ktxs3...@wingsandbeaks.org.uk.invalid>,
> Jeremy Nicoll - news posts
> > It's always amused me that Chris of "CJE Micro's" has claimed that
> > the apostrophe represents the letters "computer". I'm somewhat
> > inclined to think that if that's the case, he should really have a
> > business called
> >
> > C'J'E' Micro's
> But the business has never been called "Christopher J Evans
> Microcomputers"
> It was registered under the Business Names Act as "CJE Microcomputers"
Was. It's now C.J.E. Micro's then? Which is, surely, correctly punctuated
for all those pesky abbreviations.
It seems as though CJE may have been moonlighting as a decorator and
hairdresser. Something for the weekend, sir?
Vince M Hudd
> In article <50c264b...@triffid.co.uk>,
> Dave Symes <da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> > Enuff otherwise he will get out.... ;-)
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8339647.stm
"Feeling grumpy 'is good for you'"
Well, that's Dave's wife sorted then, but what about the man himself? ;>
--
Vince M Hudd - Soft Rock Software
http://www.softrock.co.uk
http://misc.vinceh.com