In message <528f42e7d3chrisjohnson+n...@spamcop.net>
Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+n...@spamcop.net> wrote:
> In article <16643b8f52.Johny...@john.bryan86.fsnet.co.uk>,
> John Bryan <j...@bryan86.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>> Under 5.16
>> 13 May 12:58:22 050 Newsfetch complete. Received 9 articles, 24950
>> bytes (24950 cps) in 1 seconds.
>> Under 5.18
>> 13 May 13:57:55 000 Error : Could not resolve newsserver hostname
> This is pointing the finger strongly at resolver problems. These are
> not general for 5.18/5.19 so the problem is close to home. Maybe
> there is a problem during boot causing the internet setup not to
> complete correctly.
> In a taskwindow (ctrl-F12) do *RomModules.
> On 5.18 the Resolver module is no. 94, version 0.69 and should be
> active.
> Next do a *show inet*
{SNIP}
> There are a number of other inet sysvars, but as eg NetSurf works,
> these should all be set up correctly.
> Is there anything suspicious in your settings?
I have done as you request and the Resolver is
module 94 ver 0.69 active in OS 5.18
All the paths are the same except:
on OS 5.16 I have
Inet$LocalAddr: fe156b01 AND
Inet$LocalAddr1: fe156b01
on OS 5.18 I have only
Inet$LocalAddr: fe156b01
Could it be that Netfetch via Newshound uses the Inet$LocalAddr1: path name under 5.16 and be the gremlin in the cupboard?
If it is how do I reset Netfetch/Newshound/Hermes to correct it?
-- John Bryan
In message <528f465550chrisjohnson+n...@spamcop.net>
Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+n...@spamcop.net> wrote:
> In article <3a31438f52.dougjw...@btinternet.com>,
> Doug Webb <doug.j.w...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> So this looks like Newshound having issues rather than Hermes.
> Doesn't follow, neither News nor Mail agent is able to resolve.
Well John did post the deatisl below in his last post and unless there are some other details missing in any posts then it just looks like newserver failing to resolve.
"> Under 5.18
> 13 May 13:57:55 000 Error : Could not resolve newsserver hostname"
Agree "show inet*" should confirm things and also unlikley Dec10 version of Newshound will make any differnce but until you try how do you know as I know of many software related issues, though my work, that go away with latest versions even undocumented issues.
-- Using an IYONIX pc and RISC OS 5.19, the thinking person's alternative operating system to Microsoft Windows.
In message <e0b44a8f52.Johny...@john.bryan86.fsnet.co.uk>
John Bryan <j...@bryan86.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
[snip]
> on OS 5.18 I have only
> Inet$LocalAddr: fe156b01
John I only have and "Inet$localAddr" setting here on 5.18.
> Could it be that Netfetch via Newshound uses the Inet$LocalAddr1: path
> name under 5.16 and be the gremlin in the cupboard?
> If it is how do I reset Netfetch/Newshound/Hermes to correct it?
Try the Dec10 version of Newshound for the address in a previous post and then see what happens.
-- Using an IYONIX pc and RISC OS 5.19, the thinking person's alternative operating system to Microsoft Windows.
On 13 May, Doug Webb wrote in message
<18cd4e8f52.dougjw...@btinternet.com>:
> In message <e0b44a8f52.Johny...@john.bryan86.fsnet.co.uk>
> John Bryan <j...@bryan86.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> > If it is how do I reset Netfetch/Newshound/Hermes to correct it?
> Try the Dec10 version of Newshound for the address in a previous post and
> then see what happens.
Let's not break anything else, shall we? I'd be inclined to try and
understand the issue with Resolver first, and then look at updating
NewsHound only if that fails.
On 13 May, Doug Webb wrote in message
<3e604e8f52.dougjw...@btinternet.com>:
> In message <528f465550chrisjohnson+n...@spamcop.net>
> Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+n...@spamcop.net> wrote:
> > In article <3a31438f52.dougjw...@btinternet.com>,
> > Doug Webb <doug.j.w...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > > So this looks like Newshound having issues rather than Hermes.
> > Doesn't follow, neither News nor Mail agent is able to resolve.
> Well John did post the deatisl below in his last post and unless there are
> some other details missing in any posts then it just looks like newserver
> failing to resolve.
Why? Hermes doesn't log to SysLog (for whatever reason), so errors from
that would go elsewhere. We need to also know what's in the Hermes log file
to know if it's just NewsHound.
> "> Under 5.18
> > 13 May 13:57:55 000 Error : Could not resolve newsserver hostname"
> Agree "show inet*" should confirm things and also unlikley Dec10 version
> of Newshound will make any differnce but until you try how do you know as
> I know of many software related issues, though my work, that go away with
> latest versions even undocumented issues.
Um. As the person who created the December 10 version of NewsHound, I think
it unlikely to have *any* bearing on this. The update simply allowed the
NEWGROUPS command to be disabled, and did nothing to address resolution.
Press Escape to finish once you have got some sort of response
otherwise it will just keep going.
You should get a response such as
PING www.bbc.net.uk (212.58.246.91): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 212.58.246.91: icmp_seq=0 ttl=54 time=39.688 ms
64 bytes from 212.58.246.91: icmp_seq=1 ttl=54 time=38.730 ms
64 bytes from 212.58.246.91: icmp_seq=2 ttl=54 time=38.521 ms
If instead you get a response unknown host then try
ping 212.58.246.91
That should work without using the resolver to look up the address.
In message <528f541579chrisjohnson+n...@spamcop.net>
Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+n...@spamcop.net> wrote:
> John, open a taskwindow and enter
> ping www.bbc.co.uk > Press Escape to finish once you have got some sort of response
> otherwise it will just keep going.
> You should get a response such as
> PING www.bbc.net.uk (212.58.246.91): 56 data bytes
> 64 bytes from 212.58.246.91: icmp_seq=0 ttl=54 time=39.688 ms
> 64 bytes from 212.58.246.91: icmp_seq=1 ttl=54 time=38.730 ms
> 64 bytes from 212.58.246.91: icmp_seq=2 ttl=54 time=38.521 ms
> If instead you get a response unknown host then try
> ping 212.58.246.91
> That should work without using the resolver to look up the address.
> What responses do you get?
PING www.bbc.net.uk (212.58.244.66): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 212.58.244.66: icmp_seq=0 ttl=52 time=30.670 ms
64 bytes from 212.58.244.66: icmp_seq=1 ttl=52 time=30.831 ms
--- www.bbc.net.uk ping statistics ---
12 packets transmitted, 12 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max = 30.357/30.848/31.301 ms
This seems to be working although addresses slightly different, I live up in in Yorkshire!
-- John Bryan
*In message <528f541579chrisjohnson+n...@spamcop.net>
Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+n...@spamcop.net> wrote:
> John, open a taskwindow and enter
> ping www.bbc.co.uk > Press Escape to finish once you have got some sort of response
> otherwise it will just keep going.
> You should get a response such as
> PING www.bbc.net.uk (212.58.246.91): 56 data bytes
> 64 bytes from 212.58.246.91: icmp_seq=0 ttl=54 time=39.688 ms
> 64 bytes from 212.58.246.91: icmp_seq=1 ttl=54 time=38.730 ms
> 64 bytes from 212.58.246.91: icmp_seq=2 ttl=54 time=38.521 ms
> If instead you get a response unknown host then try
> ping 212.58.246.91
> That should work without using the resolver to look up the address.
> What responses do you get?
Response when running OS 5.18
*ping www.bbc.co.uk ping: unknown host www.bbc.co.uk *ping 212.58.246.91
PING 212.58.246.91 (212.58.246.91): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 212.58.246.91: icmp_seq=0 ttl=53 time=32.378 ms
64 bytes from 212.58.246.91: icmp_seq=1 ttl=53 time=31.871 ms
--- 212.58.246.91 ping statistics ---
6 packets transmitted, 6 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max = 31.724/32.013/32.378 ms
On 13 May, John Bryan wrote in message
<baea568f52.Johny...@john.bryan86.fsnet.co.uk>:
> Response when running OS 5.18
> *ping www.bbc.co.uk > ping: unknown host www.bbc.co.uk > *ping 212.58.246.91
> PING 212.58.246.91 (212.58.246.91): 56 data bytes
OK, so that seems to confirm that it's not NewsHound or Hermes, but a more
general problem with the Resolver. In other words, don't mess with
NewsHound or Hermes just yet -- let's try and wort out why name resolution
isn't working on your system (when it clearly does on other people's 5.18
installations, including mine).
> On 13 May, Doug Webb wrote in message
> <3e604e8f52.dougjw...@btinternet.com>:
>> In message <528f465550chrisjohnson+n...@spamcop.net>
>> Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+n...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>>> In article <3a31438f52.dougjw...@btinternet.com>,
>>> Doug Webb <doug.j.w...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>> So this looks like Newshound having issues rather than Hermes.
>>> Doesn't follow, neither News nor Mail agent is able to resolve.
>> Well John did post the deatisl below in his last post and unless there are
>> some other details missing in any posts then it just looks like newserver
>> failing to resolve.
> Why? Hermes doesn't log to SysLog (for whatever reason), so errors from
> that would go elsewhere. We need to also know what's in the Hermes log file
> to know if it's just NewsHound.
>> "> Under 5.18
>>> 13 May 13:57:55 000 Error : Could not resolve newsserver hostname"
>> Agree "show inet*" should confirm things and also unlikley Dec10 version
>> of Newshound will make any differnce but until you try how do you know as
>> I know of many software related issues, though my work, that go away with
>> latest versions even undocumented issues.
> Um. As the person who created the December 10 version of NewsHound, I think
> it unlikely to have *any* bearing on this. The update simply allowed the
> NEWGROUPS command to be disabled, and did nothing to address resolution.
Sorry but I missed the part referring to Hermes. Under OS5.18 neither Newshound or Hermes get out to the world. both of them cannot resolve the address. Further Chris Johnson asked if I could ping www.bbc.co.uk which also fails but pings to 219.64....etc do return info.
Under 5.18 using Netsurf 2.9 I can access web sites as I have just tried www.east-london-textiles.com from a charity bag and I have definately never been there before so It cannot be stored on my machine anywhere.
I have to reboot from 5.18 back to 5.16 to send these messages and developing a routine to check which OS version I am in at the time.
-- John Bryan
In message <mpro.m3z4zl09eyxk001iw.n...@stevefryatt.org.uk>
Steve Fryatt <n...@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
> On 13 May, John Bryan wrote in message
> <baea568f52.Johny...@john.bryan86.fsnet.co.uk>:
>> Response when running OS 5.18
>> *ping www.bbc.co.uk >> ping: unknown host www.bbc.co.uk >> *ping 212.58.246.91
>> PING 212.58.246.91 (212.58.246.91): 56 data bytes
> OK, so that seems to confirm that it's not NewsHound or Hermes, but a more
> general problem with the Resolver. In other words, don't mess with
> NewsHound or Hermes just yet -- let's try and wort out why name resolution
> isn't working on your system (when it clearly does on other people's 5.18
> installations, including mine).
> What does
> *Show Inet$Resolver*
> tell you?
Under OS 5.16
*show inet$resolver
*show inet$resolver*
Inet$ResolverDelay : 5
Inet$ResolverRetries : 3
Inet$Resolvers : 10.0.0.2
*
Under OS 5.18
*show inet$resolver*
Inet$ResolverDelay : 5
Inet$ResolverRetries : 3
Inet$Resolvers : 10.0.0.2
*
In message <mpro.m3z22q082gbgw01iw.n...@stevefryatt.org.uk>
Steve Fryatt <n...@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
> On 13 May, Doug Webb wrote in message
> <18cd4e8f52.dougjw...@btinternet.com>:
>> In message <e0b44a8f52.Johny...@john.bryan86.fsnet.co.uk>
>> John Bryan <j...@bryan86.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>>> If it is how do I reset Netfetch/Newshound/Hermes to correct it?
>> Try the Dec10 version of Newshound for the address in a previous post and
>> then see what happens.
> Let's not break anything else, shall we? I'd be inclined to try and
> understand the issue with Resolver first, and then look at updating
> NewsHound only if that fails.
Agree, now John has given the other information re !Hermes it then becomes one of what is different between the set up for someone using the same software versions and John's set up.
-- Using an IYONIX pc and RISC OS 5.19, the thinking person's alternative operating system to Microsoft Windows.
If John would like to follow the following steps it may solve his problem.
1.) Bring up the 'Configuration' window (On RISC OS 5.18 of course.)
2.) Click on 'Network'.
3.) Click on 'Internet'.
4.) Save a copy of 'User options' to a safe place.
5.) Shift click on 'User options'.
6.) Change RMEnsure Resolver 0.XX to 0.69
7.) Save the changes (StrongED, Zap whatever.
8.) Close the 'Internet configuration' window and click on save for the
'Network configuration' box. This will bring up a reset now or later choice,
I would choose the reset later option and close down normally.
In article <baea568f52.Johny...@john.bryan86.fsnet.co.uk>,
John Bryan <j...@bryan86.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> Response when running OS 5.18
> *ping www.bbc.co.uk > ping: unknown host www.bbc.co.uk > *ping 212.58.246.91
> PING 212.58.246.91 (212.58.246.91): 56 data bytes
> 64 bytes from 212.58.246.91: icmp_seq=0 ttl=53 time=32.378 ms
Well, it certainly looks like resolver trouble. Are you absolutely
sure that all the inet* sysvars are identical under 5.16 and 5.18?
It looks as if there is a problem in boot with running all the inet
related stuff, possibly due to some other file in eg
Choices.Boot.Predesk preventing the running of SetupNet, and hence
choices:internet.startup, which initialises the resolver module.
However, if all the inet* sysvars are set up as normal, then these
various files must be being run.
In message <528f67cc73ron.bris...@blueyonder.co.uk>
Ron Briscoe <ron.bris...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi all,
> If John would like to follow the following steps it may solve his problem.
> 1.) Bring up the 'Configuration' window (On RISC OS 5.18 of course.)
> 2.) Click on 'Network'.
> 3.) Click on 'Internet'.
> 4.) Save a copy of 'User options' to a safe place.
> 5.) Shift click on 'User options'.
> 6.) Change RMEnsure Resolver 0.XX to 0.69
> 7.) Save the changes (StrongED, Zap whatever.
> 8.) Close the 'Internet configuration' window and click on save for the
> 'Network configuration' box. This will bring up a reset now or later choice,
> I would choose the reset later option and close down normally.
> Upon restarting everything should be ok.
> Regards Ron.
Thank you THANK YOU THANK YOU Ron
This has indeed solved the problem on a soft load of OS 5.18
I can now right click on the Newshound icon or Transfer mail icon in the panel and away it goes retrieving news and mail. Brilliant thanks once again. What do I do with the saved User options? :-)
In message <a8b26e8f52.Johny...@john.bryan86.fsnet.co.uk>
John Bryan <j...@bryan86.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <528f67cc73ron.bris...@blueyonder.co.uk>
> Ron Briscoe <ron.bris...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
[snip]
>> 4.) Save a copy of 'User options' to a safe place.
>> 5.) Shift click on 'User options'.
>> 6.) Change RMEnsure Resolver 0.XX to 0.69
[snip]
> Thank you THANK YOU THANK YOU Ron
> This has indeed solved the problem on a soft load of OS 5.18
> I can now right click on the Newshound icon or Transfer mail icon in
> the panel and away it goes retrieving news and mail. Brilliant thanks
> once again. What do I do with the saved User options? :-)
Glad to here it has been sorted John and Ron has made a great suggestion that proves it was resolver related but this does seem imply something isn't right with your boot sequence.
Also if Resolver 0.69 isn't available prior to 5.18 then you will not be able to revert back to an earlier version of RISC OS before 5.18 if you want or need to.
I have 5.18 running here that load Resolver 0.69 with the User file showing:
"RMEnsure Resolver 0.55 SetEval Test$Eval 0"
-- See and experience the future using ARM Technology - BeagleBoard -xM, Cortex A8 and RISC OS 5.19.
On 14 May, Doug Webb wrote in message
<3ee99a8f52.dougjw...@doug.j.webb.btinternet.com>:
> Glad to here it has been sorted John and Ron has made a great suggestion
> that proves it was resolver related but this does seem imply something
> isn't right with your boot sequence.
> Also if Resolver 0.69 isn't available prior to 5.18 then you will not be
> able to revert back to an earlier version of RISC OS before 5.18 if you
> want or need to.
> I have 5.18 running here that load Resolver 0.69 with the User file
> showing:
> "RMEnsure Resolver 0.55 SetEval Test$Eval 0"
It sounds as if it might be time to check that there aren't any errors in
the boot sequence. Try
> In message <a8b26e8f52.Johny...@john.bryan86.fsnet.co.uk>
> John Bryan <j...@bryan86.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>> In message <528f67cc73ron.bris...@blueyonder.co.uk>
>> Ron Briscoe <ron.bris...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> [snip]
>>> 4.) Save a copy of 'User options' to a safe place.
>>> 5.) Shift click on 'User options'.
>>> 6.) Change RMEnsure Resolver 0.XX to 0.69
> [snip]
>> Thank you THANK YOU THANK YOU Ron
>> This has indeed solved the problem on a soft load of OS 5.18
>> I can now right click on the Newshound icon or Transfer mail icon in
>> the panel and away it goes retrieving news and mail. Brilliant thanks
>> once again. What do I do with the saved User options? :-)
> Glad to here it has been sorted John and Ron has made a great
> suggestion that proves it was resolver related but this does seem
> imply something isn't right with your boot sequence.
> Also if Resolver 0.69 isn't available prior to 5.18 then you will not
> be able to revert back to an earlier version of RISC OS before 5.18 if
> you want or need to.
> I have 5.18 running here that load Resolver 0.69 with the User file
> showing:
> "RMEnsure Resolver 0.55 SetEval Test$Eval 0"
Prior to Ron's suggestion I did note that Resolver was version 0.69 under OS 5.16 and OS 5.18. I am wondering if the solution lies in resetting from the Internet panel.
I will post the pre and post reset User options along with the Show Inet* results later today.
I agree with you observation with regard to the Boot sequence and as I mentioned earlier in the thread that it has "developed" over many upgrades and installs, but I am somewhat wary as in a slip up here could cause a huge headache.
In article <a8b26e8f52.Johny...@john.bryan86.fsnet.co.uk>,
John Bryan <j...@bryan86.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
[Snip steppy bits.]
> Thank you THANK YOU THANK YOU Ron
Pleased to be of use ;-)).
> This has indeed solved the problem on a soft load of OS 5.18
> I can now right click on the Newshound icon or Transfer mail icon in > the panel and away it goes retrieving news and mail. Brilliant thanks > once again. What do I do with the saved User options? :-)
Keep them as reference in case you need to revert to an earlier version of
RISC OS 5. Though I personally only ever want to move on to the next version
up :-)).
