Just popping in
Jo Anne
Jo Anne
Barb Knox
Jo Anne <joanne...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> Holy shit! Are you people still here?!??
>
> Jo Anne
Hi Jo Anne! How's life?
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docd...@panix.com
zzzzzZZZZZzzzzzzz... eh? whuh? huh?
DD
Bob Brock
Sure we are. This is one group that doesn't involve much time to keep
up with.
How are you doing?
Li RM
<joanne...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Uh, yup.
I live within 5 miles of a 7/11 and I'm just enjoying some toast.
Have a slice. :)
<I literally had nothing to eat in the house the other night and
opened up a can of y2k Campbells Chunky Sirloin Burger - still good!>
I stop in every once in a while to see what's going on here, which
isn't much.
My last post here was back in 2005 I think (as "null" I believe)
Anyway, it's good to see some of the regulars stop in and see that you
fine folks are all doing OK - I hope life is treating you all well.
Jo Anne
>In article <vg8vj31sn08pk00uo...@4ax.com>,
> Jo Anne <joanne...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>> Holy shit! Are you people still here?!??
>>
>> Jo Anne
>
>
>Hi Jo Anne! How's life?
Hey Barb! You still in New Zealand?
I can't belive there is still action in this newsgroup. Oh well.
Stranger things have happened, I'm sure. Here's my life story since
2000:
Husband and I got fed up with the city, so we packed up and moved to
Prince Edward County:( http://www.pec.on.ca/Welcome.html ) in October
2002.
We bought a 120-year-old house about 20 miles from town, and we've
been kinda semi-retired/unemployed/self-employed/farmers for the last
five years. I don't have a nice picture of my house at hand, but
here's a really pretty one of my barn:
http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=1z5rbc6 .
We've been living the low-stress life working at part-time crappy
little jobs, and we have our grandchildren close at hand. Plus the
dogs. (Blackie is still going strong at almost 10 years old. And now
we also have a rottie.)
So what all have you have been doing with yourselves? How many people
are still hanging around here, anyway? So far, I count Barb, DD, and
Bob. I'd love to hear your life stories for the past five years.
Cheers,
Jo Anne
docd...@panix.com
Jo Anne <joanne...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
[snips]
>I'd love to hear your life stories for the past five years.
Me? I'se still a COBOL-codin' fool and it still beats working on the
loading-dock; it is pleasant to learn that things go as well as they do in
your part of the world.
DD
Pat Hall
Hmmm I still codin COBOL too guess the more things change the more they
stay the same.
PatH...yeah I guess I'm still a fool too
docd...@panix.com
Pat Hall <ph...@notsospam.certcoinc.com> wrote:
>docd...@panix.com wrote:
>> In article <2i22k3t19pni6htvc...@4ax.com>,
>> Jo Anne <joanne...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>
>> [snips]
>>
>>
>>>I'd love to hear your life stories for the past five years.
>>
>>
>> Me? I'se still a COBOL-codin' fool and it still beats working on the
>> loading-dock; it is pleasant to learn that things go as well as they do in
>> your part of the world.
>
>
>stay the same.
Well, *some* things might be a bit different with the passing years... Ms
Slaven mentioned her canines and it struck me that she might have missed
this particular announcement. From
<http://groups.google.com/group/comp.software.year-2000/msg/30341ac5d8125445?dmode=source>
--begin quoted text:
Back in '02 I became a dog-owner, myself... and am now the delighted owner
of an almost six-year-old, seventeen-pound (7.7Kg) Pug-dog whom I have
named Killer.
--end quoted text
>PatH...yeah I guess I'm still a fool too
Hey... if this is true then it might have been going on long enough that
one might be used to it, aye.
DD
Pat Hall
>
>>PatH...yeah I guess I'm still a fool too
>
>
> Hey... if this is true then it might have been going on long enough that
> one might be used to it, aye.
>
> DD
>
I think you are right. I've been at this long enough so being the fool
is almost 2nd nature now. LOL They keep saying that COBOL is going out
of my shop and we are switching too what ever is in vogue for the
moment. This rumor has been flying for 5 years. Seems we are no closer
now than we were 5 years ago and I'm still doing all my coding in a
language who time has come and gone. Amazing.
PatH
EskW...@spamblock.panix.com
> Holy shit! Are you people still here?!??
Nope. Not anymore.
--
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so
certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
-- Bertrand Russel
JR.St...@physics.org
> Holy shit! Are you people still here?!??
Just about. I see you people have arranged to have Easter always in
Summer Time now ...
2007-12-22 Sat - QEII = oldest monarch in this country
2007-12-31 Mon - Also 2003-12-29, 2019-12-30, and every 28 years after
in c.21 : Some VBScript DatePart give wrong ISO Week Number - see in
VBScript Date and Time 2. Error seen both in Web pages and in WSH;
still present in Vista.
.
2008-01-19 Sat - 30 years before 2038-01-19 - mortgage look-ahead?
2008-03-23 Sun - Easter Sunday is unusually early this year
(previously this day in 1913 & next in 2160; earliest possible date,
March 22, 1818 & 2285). Still in EU Winter Time!
2008-12-31 Wed - 2008-366 - cf. 1996-366.
--
No sig here?
Barb Knox
Jo Anne <joanne...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 15:47:55 +1300, Barb Knox <s...@sig.below> wrote:
>
> >In article <vg8vj31sn08pk00uo...@4ax.com>,
> > Jo Anne <joanne...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> Holy shit! Are you people still here?!??
> >>
> >> Jo Anne
> >
> >
> >Hi Jo Anne! How's life?
>
> Hey Barb! You still in New Zealand?
Yes indeed. And my big news is that I got married in 2005; cliche or
not, it really was the happiest day of my life, and we are still very
happy together.
> I can't believe there is still action in this newsgroup. Oh well.
> Stranger things have happened, I'm sure.
[SNIP]
Be well,
jbaloun
> Holy shit! Are you people still here?!??
>
> Jo Anne
Still waiting; BKS promised to be the last to post to c.s.y2k. Sold my
y2k country home and am using the proceeds to pay for my daughters
college. At least something good came of it. This news group's
activity is following a rate of exponential decay with a half-life of
about 6 months but the sample is contaminated by DD who apparently has
a much greater half-life.
James
Bradley K. Sherman
jbaloun <yona...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Nov 17, 6:24 pm, Jo Anne <joanne.sla...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>> Holy shit! Are you people still here?!??
>>
>> Jo Anne
>
>Still waiting; BKS promised to be the last to post to c.s.y2k. Sold my
Well?
--bks
jbaloun
> In article <d0457d7c-b9e8-4062-b4cd-eb721fb59...@b40g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>
> jbaloun <yonata...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Nov 17, 6:24 pm, Jo Anne <joanne.sla...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >> Holy shit! Are you people still here?!??
>
> >> Jo Anne
>
> >Still waiting; BKS promised to be the last to post to c.s.y2k. Sold my
>
> Well?
>
> --bks
That was quick. But if I answer your post then you have not been the
last.
How's life in Berkeley? Just went to the Rep last Saturday to see
Argonautika. Very interesting play. It took 45 minutes to get out of
the parking garage. I think I will take BART next time.
James
Bradley K. Sherman
jbaloun <yona...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>That was quick. But if I answer your post then you have not been the
>last.
That doesn't affect the prediction one iota. Of course, I never
made that prediction, but if it amuses you, so be it.
>How's life in Berkeley? Just went to the Rep last Saturday to see
>Argonautika. Very interesting play. It took 45 minutes to get out of
>the parking garage. I think I will take BART next time.
>
Park six blocks west and walk! I'm surprised I have to tell you
about what Y2k will do to your car (real soon now). You should
get in practice.
--bks
jbaloun
Apparently still carrying a grudge....well deserved I'm sure.
Is it a requirement that programmers be so blunt and tactless.
Anyway, I wish you good health.
Bye.
Bradley K. Sherman
jbaloun <yona...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> How's life in Berkeley?
>
>Apparently still carrying a grudge....well deserved I'm sure.
>Is it a requirement that programmers be so blunt and tactless.
>
You called me out claiming I said something which I never said and
*you're complaining that I'm not being nicey-nicey*?
'Twas ever thus.
--bks
jbaloun
> In article <a52510fb-744a-4508-aa8d-8446900da...@b40g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>
> jbaloun <yonata...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> How's life in Berkeley?
>
> >Apparently still carrying a grudge....well deserved I'm sure.
> >Is it a requirement that programmers be so blunt and tactless.
>
> You called me out claiming I said something which I never said and
> *you're complaining that I'm not being nicey-nicey*?
>
> 'Twas ever thus.
>
> --bks
Whatever you say Captain Ahab.
P.S. The war is over, you won, you can stop fighting now.
docd...@panix.com
[snip]
>Is it a requirement that programmers be so blunt and tactless.
Ummmm... I'm a COBOL-codin' fool, Mr Baloun, and have been accused of
circumlocutions sufficient to dizzy an aerialist.
Hope all goes well with you'n your'n.
DD
Bradley K. Sherman
jbaloun <yona...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Whatever you say Captain Ahab.
>P.S. The war is over, you won, you can stop fighting now.
Tell it to the Marines:
|
| American troops killed up to four bank staff on their way to work
| in Baghdad on Tuesday after firing on their minibus.
|
| The shooting happened in the city's northern Shaab district, a
| Shiite militia stronghold, as the driver was collecting employees
| for the Rasheed bank.
|
| The soldiers opened fire when the bus reached their roadblock
| and tried to drive through, killing four passengers police said.
|
<http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/world/bank+workers+shot+dead+by+us+troops/1103852>
--bks
EskW...@spamblock.panix.com
You scared the crap out of me with one of your prediction posts. I still
have it in hard copy, and read it every once in a while, just to
recalibrate my gullibility meter. Y2k was the first (and hopefuly, last)
time I have bought into mass hysteria.
BTW, have you heard that the world's financial institutions are now
melting down, and that the US Dollar is going to lose 90% of its value,
all due to the subprime mortgage market? It is inevitable, given the
current facts (or so some say). ;)
Jo Anne
wrote:
>Jo-Anne -
>
>You scared the crap out of me with one of your prediction posts. I still
>have it in hard copy, and read it every once in a while, just to
>recalibrate my gullibility meter. Y2k was the first (and hopefuly, last)
>time I have bought into mass hysteria.
LOL. What did I say? I honestly don't remember most of what I posted.
>BTW, have you heard that the world's financial institutions are now
>melting down, and that the US Dollar is going to lose 90% of its value,
>all due to the subprime mortgage market? It is inevitable, given the
>current facts (or so some say). ;)
The markets go up; the markets go down. My portfolio is doing OK. I've
been managing all of our investments since the late '90s and I always
sit on my hands when shit like this happens.
The World Wide Wade
what was tactless? don't park downtown like an idiot. there, that's
tactless.
hey brad ...
Bradley K. Sherman
Did you day-trade your way through 2000-2001, Wade? Still solvent?
--bks
The World Wide Wade
b...@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) wrote:
Yes sir. This year has been trying however. I live in Portland OR now.
You'd love some of the bars up here.
docd...@panix.com
The World Wide Wade <aderam...@comcast.net> wrote:
>In article <firvs8$mn5$1...@reader1.panix.com>,
> b...@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) wrote:
>
>> In article <aderamey.addw-576...@newsgroups.comcast.net>,
>> The World Wide Wade <aderam...@comcast.net> wrote:
[snip]
>> >what was tactless? don't park downtown like an idiot. there, that's
>> >tactless.
>> >
>> >hey brad ...
>>
>> Did you day-trade your way through 2000-2001, Wade? Still solvent?
>
>Yes sir. This year has been trying however. I live in Portland OR now.
>You'd love some of the bars up here.
I still keep all of my monies tied up in very sound investments called
'debts'.
DD
Bradley K. Sherman
The World Wide Wade <aderam...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>Yes sir. This year has been trying however. I live in Portland OR now.
>You'd love some of the bars up here.
Yes, the grayer the skies the better the bars.
--bks
Vikingdread
> In article <aderamey.addw-61C39F.22092602122...@newsgroups.comcast.net>,
> The World Wide Wade <aderamey.a...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> >Yes sir. This year has been trying however. I live in Portland OR now.
> >You'd love some of the bars up here.
>
> Yes, the grayer the skies the better the bars.
>
> --bks
Ghe ghe ghe...
What a trip down memory lane this is. You know how it goes. It's
almost year's end. You sit there thinking 'bout all the stupid things
you did in the past and you decide to drop by in
comp.software.year-2000, just to see if any of the old regulars are
still hanging around.
Nice to see those familiar names again...DD, BKS, Jo Anne...
You know who I miss? Paul Milne! I really wonder what happened to
him...he was always good for a laugh
well, take care all of you!
Rob van Wees
docd...@panix.com
Vikingdread <Vikin...@gmail.com> wrote:
[snip]
>well, take care all of you!
A happy, healthy, sweet and prosperous New Year to you and yours, Mr van
Wees.
DD
wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk
<8d36043e-d9fc-4e18...@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
Vikin...@gmail.com (Vikingdread) wrote:
>
> What a trip down memory lane this is. You know how it goes. It's
> almost year's end. You sit there thinking 'bout all the stupid things
> you did in the past and you decide to drop by in
> comp.software.year-2000, just to see if any of the old regulars are
> still hanging around.
That's why I checked in, too. You likely won't remember me: I'm the
writer who had a piece in Scientific American referencing this newsgroup
and predicting that despite the apocalyptic scenarios I thought it
likely civilization would survive Y2K, though not without some computer
problems.
Glad to see you're all doing OK.
wg
Bradley K. Sherman
<wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk> wrote:
>
>That's why I checked in, too. You likely won't remember me: I'm the
>writer who had a piece in Scientific American referencing this newsgroup
>and predicting that despite the apocalyptic scenarios I thought it
>likely civilization would survive Y2K, though not without some computer
>problems.
>
>Glad to see you're all doing OK.
Ms. Grossman's ripple in the csy2k waters:
<http://groups.google.com/groups/search?hl=en&q=group%3Acomp.software.year-2000+%2Bwendy+%2Bgrossman&qt_s=Search+Groups>
--bks
EskW...@spamblock.panix.com
> I'm the
> writer who had a piece in Scientific American referencing this newsgroup
> and predicting that despite the apocalyptic scenarios I thought it
> likely civilization would survive Y2K, though not without some computer
> problems.
So, in other words, your cavalier disregard for truth caused the deaths of
thousands?
You should be ashamed. The apocolyptic scenarios were INEVITABLE.
wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk
EskW...@spamblock.panix.com () wrote:
>
> So, in other words, your cavalier disregard for truth caused the
> deaths of thousands?
>
> You should be ashamed. The apocolyptic scenarios were INEVITABLE.
>
The worst - and my lawyers have advised me not to admit this - was the
Y2K-induced worldwide shortage of insulin an extremely well-known
computer scientist warned me about at a party in 1999. I didn't believe
him. If only I had trusted him and published the truth so that diabetics
could protect themselves by stockpiling insulin, even more lives could
have been saved. I am wracked with guilt.
wg
docd...@panix.com
<wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk> wrote:
[snip]
>If only I had trusted him and published the truth so that diabetics
>could protect themselves by stockpiling insulin, even more lives could
>have been saved. I am wracked with guilt.
No need to be so replete with rue; there's most likely someone out there
that will help assuage your feelings by telling you it was merely a
manifestation of Darwinisn... right after they're done getting their new
eyeglass-presciption filled, of course.
A happy, healthy, sweet and prosperous New Year to you and yours.
DD
EskW...@spamblock.panix.com
> The worst - and my lawyers have advised me not to admit this - was the
> Y2K-induced worldwide shortage of insulin an extremely well-known
> computer scientist warned me about at a party in 1999. I didn't believe
> him. If only I had trusted him and published the truth so that diabetics
> could protect themselves by stockpiling insulin, even more lives could
> have been saved. I am wracked with guilt.
Naw, the worst was the worldwide meltdown of the entire banking system
due to cascading failures of accounting systems.
Or maybe the massive failures of embedded systems, which wreaked havoc
with underground pipelines, and which halted the entire infrastructure of
every developed country on the map. Ironically, only the undeveloped
countries escaped this.
wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk
>
> No need to be so replete with rue; there's most likely someone out
> there that will help assuage your feelings by telling you it was
> merely a manifestation of Darwinisn... right after they're done
> getting their new eyeglass-presciption filled, of course.
>
> A happy, healthy, sweet and prosperous New Year to you and yours.
Thanks. To you, too.
Joking aside, I did get extremely irritated with the media commentators
after 1/1/2000 who behaved as though there'd never been a problem and it
was all a scam in the first place. Kudos to all the thousands of people
who worked really hard at remediation.
wg
docd...@panix.com
<wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk> wrote:
[snip]
>Joking aside, I did get extremely irritated with the media commentators
>after 1/1/2000 who behaved as though there'd never been a problem and it
>was all a scam in the first place.
Nothing new there... it is like stockings which wear out even if one never
wears them, darned if you do, darned if you don't.
>Kudos to all the thousands of people
>who worked really hard at remediation.
No need t' thank me, Ma'am... jes' doin muh job.
DD
canuckistani
<joanne...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>Holy shit! Are you people still here?!??
>
>Jo Anne
Hey, in several meta-physical ways people are, indeed.
The Doc is still here. Oddly comforting, that. Doc should, long ago,
have been given a medal for being sage.
You know...
hyped and hind-sighted bs'sed it all has been, it did serve a purpose.
Made some people aware of exactly how thin the wafer really is.
I mean..
here I was, 7 years ago, popping in RTC cards to keep 486's going (if
they had an Award Bios)
And now?
Did we learn anything, kiddos?
Prolly not.
Stocks go up, stocks go down
Greed vs Fear
Oh Bammy vs the Clinton Gang.
Eye Oh Wah
All the same sheit, different years.
Just today, I finally had enough - and that's saying something.
Clicked on CNN
Vacuous cows, younger versions.
Same bullshit, seven years hence, bread and circusses
oh mah gawd!
bimbo being carted to hospital.
bimbo's younger sister preggurs.
whatever happened to jacko?
so I de-programmed the crap channels.
Piss off.
You threaten my (few remaining strands of) sanity
I mean, it's all been a somewhat amusing waste, this whole whytwokay
bit. Yet. I still maintain that an early warning of crisis potential
is better than an AMD up the poop-chute.
It all served it's purpose.
Little harm done, really.
Things do not change, in the long view.
Empires decline.
Societies go into decline.
Deservedly so.
The trick is in side-stepping the rusty hubcaps as they get shot by
crack-ho's.
Night, Graycee!
john up in victoria bc canaduh
docd...@panix.com
canuckistani <its...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 21:24:34 -0500, Jo Anne
><joanne...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>>Holy shit! Are you people still here?!??
>>
>>Jo Anne
>
>
>Hey, in several meta-physical ways people are, indeed.
>The Doc is still here. Oddly comforting, that. Doc should, long ago,
>have been given a medal for being sage.
Shucks, you'se jes' easily impressed... but if you really think it
is meritted then perhaps, somewhere, someone will find the thyme.
Speaking of the Oldene Dayse... recently a company whose goal it was to
re-establish Hard Money standards received a visit from some of Uncle
Sam's lads, seems like the National Organization for the Repeal of the
Federal Reserve (Norfed) may have been "uttering coins of gold, silver, or
other metal," "making or possessing likeness of coins,"... oh, and
indulging in mail fraud, wire fraud, money laundering and conspiracy.
(these are the folks who made the Ron Paul Dollar; see
<http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/16/AR2007111602267_pf.html>)
Anyhow... that bit of news reminded me of some of the exchanges in this
forum with folks who insisted that specie was the One True Money and the
term I coined, extemporaneously, to denote 'a gold coin of small
weight/demonination'. Went back and checked google and found that it was
nigh a decade back
(http://groups.google.com/group/comp.software.year-2000/msg/28f57f716b4ba27d?dmode=source)
that I first used the term 'Dime-a-Rand'.
Also seems like the term never caught on for broader use... ahhhh, the
fickle public, too busy making, spending and enjoying money to worry about
what it Really and Truly Is.
[snip]
>And now?
>Did we learn anything, kiddos?
>Prolly not.
>Stocks go up, stocks go down
>Greed vs Fear
>Oh Bammy vs the Clinton Gang.
>Eye Oh Wah
>
>All the same sheit, different years.
Well, while I was searching... also, from nigh a decade back I found
<http://groups.google.com/group/comp.software.year-2000/msg/2ceeb58ff3d6dca1?dmode=source>
--begin quoted text:
As we used to say in Latin: 'ayn chadash tachat hashemesh', literally
'no/not new/a new thing under the sun'.
--end quoted text
[snip]
>Things do not change, in the long view.
>Empires decline.
>Societies go into decline.
Folks get older - if they don't get dead - and say something along the
lines of 'Ahhhhhhh, for the Oldene Dayse... when a person could bemoan the
passing of the Oldene Dayse such as *ten* people cannot, today!'
On t'other hand... Winter Solstice has passed and I've started noticing a
bit more light in the sky during the morning commute; a sunrise is still a
smile-inducing thing for me. Life is Good, and It just keeps Getting
Better.
DD
jbaloun
'ayn chadash tachat hashemesh', literally
> 'no/not new/a new thing under the sun'.
Ecclesiastes 1:9
docd...@panix.com
jbaloun <yona...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Jan 4, 11:58 pm, docdw...@panix.com () wrote:
>'ayn chadash tachat hashemesh', literally
>> 'no/not new/a new thing under the sun'.
>
>
>
>Ecclesiastes 1:9
>
Ummmm... some newsreaders - including mine, it seems - have a bit of
trouble with other than plain ASCII... but the sentiment's appreciated,
I'm sure.
DD
jbaloun
> In article <f793b308-67ff-484e-800b-80dbb3a0c...@f47g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>,
>
> jbaloun <yonata...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Jan 4, 11:58 pm, docdw...@panix.com () wrote:
> >'ayn chadash tachat hashemesh', literally
> >> 'no/not new/a new thing under the sun'.
>
> > ???????????? ????????-????????????, ???????????? ????????????????????
>
> >Ecclesiastes 1:9
>
> Ummmm... some newsreaders - including mine, it seems - have a bit of
> trouble with other than plain ASCII... but the sentiment's appreciated,
> I'm sure.
>
> DD
Sorry for the non-standard font. I was quoting a source for the quote
which is older than the Latin.
Line number 9 of the following website shows the quote.
Bradley K. Sherman
jbaloun
> In article <116f5715-5ba6-4f47-acdd-a9beac5fb...@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
>
> jbaloun <yonata...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >> 'no/not new/a new thing under the sun'.
>
> Moses had an iPhone?
>
> --bks
He did not need one.
Exodus 33:11 God would speak to Moses face to face, just as a person
speaks to a close friend.
Otherwise he had lap-top stone tablets with a laborious I/O and a ROM
of a few hundred bytes. The beta version crashed but luckily God had
kept a back-up copy.
jbaloun
> In article <116f5715-5ba6-4f47-acdd-a9beac5fb...@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
>
> >> >> 'no/not new/a new thing under the sun'.
>
> Moses had an iPhone?
>
> --bks
...nothing new under the sun.
In context David was facing his mortality and considering the plight
of mortal humans compared to the larger cycles of nature and the
universe. The iPhone is just a better tool for communication.
Communication is the same. Nothing new.
In addition to being King, David was a poet, a singer and a musician.
The words he wrote before 967 B.C.E. are still sung today. Nothing
new.
jbaloun
> In article <116f5715-5ba6-4f47-acdd-a9beac5fb...@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
>
> >> >> 'no/not new/a new thing under the sun'.
>
> Moses had an iPhone?
>
> --bks
David was also good with a sling.
Wars in the Middle East. Nothing new.
docd...@panix.com
jbaloun <yona...@yahoo.com> wrote:
[snip]
>In addition to being King, David was a poet, a singer and a musician.
One of those warrior-poet-king types? Sounds nigh Japanese... no, wait,
the Japanese are an ancient culture with a sort of ethnocentric
arrogance... ummmmm...
DD
jbaloun
> In article <a0042a16-d7c9-418d-b0d0-b3465a24d...@m77g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
>
> jbaloun <yonata...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> >In addition to being King, David was a poet, a singer and a musician.
>
> One of those warrior-poet-king types? Sounds nigh Japanese... no, wait,
> the Japanese are an ancient culture with a sort of ethnocentric
> arrogance... ummmmm...
>
> DD
It was your quote to begin with...
Sir Gawain and the Green Knight
Epic of Gilgamesh
The Monkey King
Homer
King Kamehameha
Romulus and Remus
By all means, let's be equal opportunity in our warrior kings.
jbaloun
Yes I know a mix of fact and fiction. But some of the ancient stories
are more fiction than fact considering our current understanding of
what may or may not have happened hundreds or thousands of years ago.
My daughter just left today to go visit the ruins of David's house.
jbaloun
I love the Monkey King story. Very humorous. I some versions the
monkey is very mischievous and is scolded by the Gods.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Wukong
The Epic of Gilgamesh is one of the oldest of the epic myths.
Originally written in cuneiform if I recall correctly.
jbaloun
>
an ancient culture with a sort of ethnocentric
> > arrogance... ummmmm...
>
> > DD
>
Mea culpa.
All cultures have some degree of ethnocentric arrogance.
"Nothing new" is another way of saying it is human nature. The tribe
is biased in favor of it's members and against others. A survival
instinct which humans are theoretically intelligent enough to choose
to ignore. The majority of humanity has so far not been able to make
the choice. Ghandi came very very close.
docd...@panix.com
jbaloun <yona...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Jan 6, 5:08 pm, docdw...@panix.com () wrote:
>> In article
><a0042a16-d7c9-418d-b0d0-b3465a24d...@m77g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
>>
>> jbaloun <yonata...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>> >In addition to being King, David was a poet, a singer and a musician.
>>
>> One of those warrior-poet-king types? Sounds nigh Japanese... no, wait,
>> the Japanese are an ancient culture with a sort of ethnocentric
>> arrogance... ummmmm...
>
He hit me back first!
>
>Sir Gawain and the Green Knight
>Epic of Gilgamesh
>The Monkey King
>Homer
>King Kamehameha
>Romulus and Remus
>
>By all means, let's be equal opportunity in our warrior kings.
... and the ancient cultures with a sort of arrogant ethnocentrism, as
well.
DD
docd...@panix.com
jbaloun <yona...@yahoo.com> wrote:
[snip]
>The Epic of Gilgamesh is one of the oldest of the epic myths.
>Originally written in cuneiform if I recall correctly.
Not the large version... just the puny form of coneiform, maybe...
actually, I was just referring to it the other day in a discussion about
value, wealth and gold; whole bunch of new stuff under ol' Sol, aye.
DD
docd...@panix.com
jbaloun <yona...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Jan 6, 7:31 pm, jbaloun <yonata...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Jan 6, 5:08 pm, docdw...@panix.com () wrote:
>>
> > an ancient culture with a sort of ethnocentric
>> > arrogance... ummmmm...
>>
>
Not to worry.
>All cultures have some degree of ethnocentric arrogance.
In that there is, as I believe Durkheim labelled it, by necessity a
'we-group' there must be an 'us' who are not 'them', aye.
In that there are varying degrees of ethnocentrism - 'Other languages make
as much sense as bird-talk, their speakers are Barbaroi', 'A gaijin may
learn some decent manners but do not be surprised by their rudeness', 'We
call ourselves 'am' and it is our duty to be a light unto the other
nations (goyim)' - then there seems to be greater and lesser degerees.
DD
jbaloun
> In article <ea287ceb-eb1c-4a23-b086-027adec52...@i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>
> jbaloun <yonata...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Jan 6, 7:31 pm, jbaloun <yonata...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On Jan 6, 5:08 pm, docdw...@panix.com () wrote:
>
> > > an ancient culture with a sort of ethnocentric
> >> > arrogance... ummmmm...
>
> >Mea culpa.
>
> Not to worry.
>
> >All cultures have some degree of ethnocentric arrogance.
>
> In that there is, as I believe Durkheim labelled it, by necessity a
> 'we-group' there must be an 'us' who are not 'them', aye.
>
> In that there are varying degrees of ethnocentrism - 'Other languages make
> as much sense as bird-talk, their speakers are Barbaroi', 'A gaijin may
> learn some decent manners but do not be surprised by their rudeness', 'We
> call ourselves 'am' and it is our duty to be a light unto the other
> nations (goyim)' - then there seems to be greater and lesser degerees.
>
> DD
As I said all cultures have some degree of arrogance. But consider
that -part- of what appears to be arrogance may just be a
misunderstanding of the observer. For comparison it may be useful to
look at the words vs. the deeds of various cultures and also to
compare what was done and said centuries ago vs. what is done and said
currently to see if a culture has improved itself. I remain hopeful
the all cultures and some people are improving though atrocities
continue to occur. Communication goes a long way to foster a better
understanding and the internet has connected people of the world as
never before.
docd...@panix.com
jbaloun <yona...@yahoo.com> wrote:
[snip]
>I remain hopeful
>the all cultures and some people are improving though atrocities
>continue to occur.
Perhaps it might be interesting to compare this hope with the 'steady
state' hypothesis put forward by... oh, say, Koh:I.9.
(... and it gets wrapped right back around... and such a *cute* little
ribbon, too!)
DD
jbaloun
> In article <68fc12b1-cb75-43a2-a944-239f771ee...@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
>
> jbaloun <yonata...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> >I remain hopeful
> >the all cultures and some people are improving though atrocities
> >continue to occur.
>
> Perhaps it might be interesting to compare this hope with the 'steady
> state' hypothesis put forward by... oh, say, Koh:I.9.
>
> (... and it gets wrapped right back around... and such a *cute* little
> ribbon, too!)
>
> DD
Indeed very interesting.
I happen to disagree with his steady state hypothesis. Indeed I am not
required to accept it and am encouraged to question it and all other
writings as a method to explore greater understanding. The world is
not quite hopeless IMO. Hopefulness may only hold a 51% majority, more
or less, but greater than parity. I think he was old and in a bad
mood.
I have no way to measure hopefulness or dispair but it reminds me of
how the mass of the universe appears to be finely balanced between
open and closed. A small percent difference in the mass appears to
make a big difference in the inflation and expansion of the universe.
Bad things happen but so do good things. Nothing is new, almost.
docd...@panix.com
jbaloun <yona...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Jan 7, 7:46?am, docdw...@panix.com () wrote:
>> In article
><68fc12b1-cb75-43a2-a944-239f771ee...@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
>>
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>> >I remain hopeful
>> >the all cultures and some people are improving though atrocities
>> >continue to occur.
>>
>> Perhaps it might be interesting to compare this hope with the 'steady
>> state' hypothesis put forward by... oh, say, Koh:I.9.
>>
>> (... and it gets wrapped right back around... and such a *cute* little
>> ribbon, too!)
>
>
>I happen to disagree with his steady state hypothesis. Indeed I am not
>required to accept it and am encouraged to question it and all other
>writings as a method to explore greater understanding. The world is
>not quite hopeless IMO.
Now there's a curious possibility. If there is 'nothing new under the
sun' and something called 'improvement' does not exist then, reasonably
enough, nothing can ever improve.
On the other hand... if 'improvement' does exist (there *may* have been
something new (ie 'improvement') even though there isn't, now) then
things-getting-better have and will continue to exist.
[snip]
>Bad things happen but so do good things. Nothing is new, almost.
Nothing is for-always, including this statement... another bit of Anciente
Wisdome has it exactly contrariwise; Heraclitus advises that the only
constant is change.
DD
jbaloun
> In article <9db1b318-d4dc-4463-8a58-58c044814...@l6g2000prm.googlegroups.com>,
>
> - Show quoted text -
Change can be continuous and still appear to have little permanent
effect. Sinusoidal motion is one example. Then again we are struggling
against increasing disorder so if improvement exists it has to include
increased disorder. Then do we have the maximum improvement with
complete disorder? Uh oh, maybe all is futile? Or maybe the universe
is not a closed system?
Thoughts of humans (information) can lead to changes in the physical
world. Does information exist? It has no mass or energy yet it changes
the world. It does, however require mass/energy to transmit
information from one location or person to another but is not clear
where my ideas come from. Steven Hawlking considered the qustion of
what happens to information entering a black hole. Hawking talks of
information as a property of the universe.
But where does information come from? Was 2+2=4 invented or does it
exist as a part of the x,w,z,t universe?
We do not even understand information so how do we know if the
universe is a closed system without external interaction.
Nothing new under the sun.
or
The only constant is change.
It is hard to tell which is true.
docd...@panix.com
jbaloun <yona...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Jan 7, 11:10?am, docdw...@panix.com () wrote:
[snip]
>> Nothing is for-always, including this statement... another bit of Anciente
>> Wisdome has it exactly contrariwise; Heraclitus advises that the only
>> constant is change.
[snip]
>Nothing new under the sun.
>or
>The only constant is change.
>It is hard to tell which is true.
E) Some of the Above.
DD
Bob Brock
wrote:
>Jo-Anne -
>
>You scared the crap out of me with one of your prediction posts. I still
>have it in hard copy, and read it every once in a while, just to
>recalibrate my gullibility meter. Y2k was the first (and hopefuly, last)
>time I have bought into mass hysteria.
>
>BTW, have you heard that the world's financial institutions are now
>melting down, and that the US Dollar is going to lose 90% of its value,
>all due to the subprime mortgage market? It is inevitable, given the
>current facts (or so some say). ;)
It would appear that some people were right huh?
docd...@panix.com
Bob Brock <bbr...@i-americia.net> wrote:
>On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:33:25 +0000 (UTC), EskW...@spamblock.panix.com
>wrote:
>
>>Jo-Anne -
[snip]
>>BTW, have you heard that the world's financial institutions are now
>>melting down, and that the US Dollar is going to lose 90% of its value,
>>all due to the subprime mortgage market? It is inevitable, given the
>>current facts (or so some say). ;)
>
>It would appear that some people were right huh?
You would not be able to tell the difference from *my* portfolio, Mr
Brock... those debts keep holding, rock-solid.
DD