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Alan Churchill  
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 More options Jun 4 2004, 1:01 am
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.sas
From: "Alan Churchill" <EmailMeDirec...@www.erratix.us>
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 23:01:08 -0600
Local: Fri, Jun 4 2004 1:01 am
Subject: Re: SAS IDE Development Environment
I disagree. As an experienced SAS user and an experienced VS .NET user,
SAS's IDEs are woefully behind. I think a modern IDE should support
Intellisense, automatic code formatting, indentation, parentheses
highlighting, XML integration, etc.

A pat answer would be (and has been) to train the programmer and I agree
with that sentiment. However, a modern IDE can certainly do all in its power
to make life at least easier for a programmer.

IMHO, SAS should abandon the IDEs that they have and work with an IDE
company to make a better editor. Whether that is Microsoft, Borland, IBM, or
an Eclipse angle...do something better. SAS's strength lies in analytics and
always has. Their IDEs have been horrible and still reflect back to their
ISPF roots.

Alan

"Paul M. Dorfman" <sash...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:20040603190615.TYZW18879.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@sasholewmis4a7...

> Soberhi,

> IMHO, editor wars are most of the time are tempests in tea pots when it
> comes to SAS coding. SAS is an extremely concise language, and a
programmer
> spends most of the time thinking about how to tell the machine what to do
> rather than typing instructions. Hence I concur with David that almost any
> editor will go except perhaps bone-dry Notepad... I do not like Brut,
> although it has its advantages as well. 6.12 SAS Program Editor offers
> enough, except perhaps tongue-specific highlighting. If you try to adhere
to
> the following:

> -- keep code consistently indented
> -- make code lines neither too long, nor too short
> -- separate logically independent portions of code and steps with blank
> lines or even *---------* ;
> -- use blanks around operators and before semicolons (thanks, Ian) for
> better instant visual comprehension (a = b, not a=b)
> -- close steps with RUN/QUIT statements
> -- become a line-up freak (i.e. instead of this:

> A=.1;
> ABC=5.2;
> today=date();
> Xy=256.32;

> try this:

> A     =    .1   ;
> ABC   =   5.2   ;
> Xy    = 256.32  ;
> today = date () ;

> in my experience, there is not line-up effort that does not pay off later
> on),

> and you will avoid needing many fancy editor features designed to cover
for
> stylistic sloppiness. And good folks looking at your intellectual heritage
> will have no reason to suppress a surge of instinctive hostility towards
an
> incognito. My $.02, anyway.

> Kind regards,
> ------------------
> Paul M. Dorfman
> Jacksonville, FL
> ------------------

> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: SAS(r) Discussion [mailto:SA...@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On
> > Behalf Of Sober Hi
> > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 11:08 AM
> > To: SA...@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> > Subject: SAS IDE Development Environment

> > This board is a wonderful resource. Thanks to all.

> > I am new to SAS (and don't even do this full-time), so be
> > gentle (please).

> > At work, we have SAS 6.12 and do NOT have a license for SAS'
> > excessively pricey Client IDE. It is a small shop here and
> > budgets are thin.

> > I am currently using TEXTPAD with SAS syntax highlighting for
> > coding development. This tool does little more than syntax
> > highlighting. (The other two people who do some occasional
> > SAS development here use Notepad !!!).

> > I am in need something that does much more. I have other
> > programming experience in SQL Server and Visual Basic and
> > have been spoiled by their rich IDE.

> > The only tools I found out there are UltraEdit (which seems
> > to do the same thing as TextPad) and ASAP by ComplementSoft.
> > What else is out there other than ASAP? What are people
> > using? Any advice? Hints?
> > Suggestions?

> > Kindly advise. I did try to search around before posting and
> > was unable to find an article discussing this in detail. If
> > someone can help me find one, that might suffice as well......

> > Thanks in advance.....

> > Soberhi


 
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