Hello Friend,

We are proud to announce the launch of Sas User Group, a site exclusively focused on Sas Software, and thereby welcoming you to visit our site at
www.techieindex.com/sas

The site features:

  a.. Extensive Discussion Forums on common Sas topics.
  b.. Post your questions and technical topics and get answers on the fly from the vast  Sas team members.
  c.. Career development Center & Career Improvement Tools.
  d.. Sas  Job Center.
  e.. Post your resume for immediate exposure to Sas related jobs.
 The site is maintained by, experienced and certified  Sas developers, who have extensive Sas  and related tools implementation experience.

We sincerely hope that you will find most of the information regarding the Sas product. We deeply appreciate your valid comments, questions, concerns etc that you might have during the tour of the site. You can either post in the site or email us at serv...@techieindex.com

Thanks,

Sas User group Administrator.

Hey Jeff,

Sounds great!  Maybe I can finally let go of SCONSIG.com after 7 years, I
am getting a little tired keeping up with all that SAS stuff, job postings,
salary/rate surveys, tips and techniques, etc etc - and mostly free to the
SAS community at large.  But I do enjoy chatting and helping the SAS user
community where I can - my wife says I must be sick <grin>!

I am not sure everyone out there would want me to continue given you have a
TEAM of SAS Certified Professionals.

I'll see what happens to the comments to judge whether I should continue
with SCONSIG.com or not.  Maybe people will enjoy and find your site more
useful.  I will be sure to stop by and browse around to do some window
shopping, if you do not mind.  I am always looking for new ideas, etc etc.

Best Regards,
Charles Patridge
NON-Certified SAS professional
Email: Charles_S_Patri...@prodigy.net
web: http://www.sconsig.com

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Chuck,

Did you take a close look at this site before you posted your note
reproduced below?  Or even thoroughly read the guy's note on SAS-L?  You
don't have to go far, although I did delve a bit.  The content is quite
disorganized, rambling and redundant, and seems to be written entirely by
the same hand (including the Q's and the A's in the Q&A sections), except
when whole snatches of SAS copy were evidently lifted in toto.

Chuck, your site is relevant, professional (even though you don't get
paid), valuable and not self-serving.  Take a close look at this new "Sas"
site and then please re-comment.  I am oh so curious as well to see what
SAS itself thinks of the site, what with "SAS", "sas", "Sas", etc sprinkled
so ubiquitously all over it, along with a few pages of write-ups about
competing products.

Am I alone here or did anyone else have any reactions to this site?  My
biggest problem in reading most of the pages is,  What ever happened to the
English language?  I'm not talking about honest efforts by
non-native-English speaking contributors.  I'm talking about a commercial
presentation which purportedly is designed to provide a valuable forum for
it's target audience.  (The simple fact that the site is created by a
recruiter, by itself raises immediate questions as to purpose, although
it's oh so obvious.)  Nevertheless, I'd like to know, Don't they teach
punctuation any more?  Writing in general seems to be a dying art.  This is
a pet peeve of mine always so please pardon my little rant.

Getting back to you Chuck, please do not think of letting your valuable
service die, or at least not until you can find a suitable
replacement.  This isn't it.

Ray

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Umm, Ray, you mean Chuck wasn't just being sarcastic?

David
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I noticed the grammar problems as well as a reference to sas Corporation.

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Olympia, WA  98504-0962
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360-902-0084  FAX

Perhaps.  Knowing Chuck, I'm not really sure.  Anyway, it gave me a
framework in which to make my comments.

BTW, Ol' Eagle Eye Jack Hamilton found a grammatical error in my rant about
grammatical errors.  I could say I put it there as a test, but nah, it's
real (how was that Jack?).  Be the first one (besides Jack) to find it and
maybe Chuck has another cappuccino maker to part with :-)

Ray

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Dear Ray and Others,

I spoke a bit hastily concerning this new SAS site.  Once I visited and
started my search for where I could find SAS on the site - I decided this
was not something the SAS community wanted or needed at this time.

So, I guess I have to settle on another 7 years of SCONSIG.com or David
Ward's SASHELP.com, even if I have to cut my salary in half from the site
(heck, what is 1/2 of zero?) to make continue.

Or maybe, the BIG Guy at SI (you know who I mean, right?) might be real
generous and decide to buy SCONSIG.com for some real money! Say $40K (sounds
like the cost of most SAS products at the midtier level, <grin>).

So, I apologize if I put the fear of God into you Good Folks by inferring I
would be giving up SCONSIG.com - boy, you should have seen my wife jump,
hollar, scream for joy at the thought of me giving it up <VBG>!

Back to NOTEPAD and writing up some more HTML SAS related web pages!

PS - I just posted a MISSING CHILD Picture on the main page of
http://www.sconsig.com - and thought if each of you could just read it, copy
the picture and send it out to a few selected friends, that maybe we could
make a difference in this father's life and come to aid him in his plea.
And if this happens to be a hoax that someone passed on to me - so be it -
I'd rather be helpful and CONNED then to turn my head and ignore a cry for
help.

Kind Regards,
Charles Patridge
Email: Charles_S_Patri...@prodigy.net

From: Ray Pass <rayp...@ATT.NET>

<snip>

What ever happened to the English language?  I'm not talking about honest
efforts by non-native-English speaking contributors.

Ray,

Thanks for the kind words! At least I have got a good excuse in the case I
have not quite aligned The Sequence of Tenses, misused an article, screwed
up an Absolute Nominative Participial Construction, or missed a comma or a
colon... Hopefully, I do manage to get my semicolons right! :-)

Kind regards,
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Paul M. Dorfman
Jacksonville, FL
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P.S. Do all those speaking American fall into the "non-native-English
speaking contributors" category? Would be nice to find myself in a big
company <g>.

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Hi Again Ray.

Just had to go public on this one (sorry)!

Hi Ray,

Yeah, you were USING me, huh?  Well, I guess I will owe you one <grin>.

As for Notepad and WordPad, YEAH I do use them frequently!  And yes, I do
own and use UltraEdit (at home).  We are not allowed to bring in other
software without permission to safeguard against any potential copyright
issues.

I do use all the above depending on my need at the time.  Since most of my
HTML web pages are unique and do not follow a standard template, I often
will use Notepad to create the HTML page.

If I have global changes to make or update a bunch of them, then ULTRAEDIT
is the tool I will use.  As with most other things, I know I should spend
more time learning UltraEdit but when I typically acquire at least one new
software package about once every 3 months, I just do not have all the time
I would like/need to learn each one intensively except those I am required
or have at work.

Much of the software I have been accumulating over the past 3 years is
graphical, imaging, digital photography, movie making, etc in nature.  At
least, SCONSIG.com can afford most of them as opposed to spending more than
its entire annual revenue on a 1 year license for the PC SAS products.

I will take your suggestion and spend some more time trying to learn
UltaEdit better than I currently use it for.

Now, it is my time to use YOU!  Wouldn't a local SAS User Group appreciate
a presentation by a well known SAS user regarding the various TOOLS (such
as UltraEdit and others) a SAS programmer could use to become more
productive creating and maintaining his SAS code?

Do you know of anyone like this who could put such a presentation together
for his fellow SAS comrades???

Best Regards,
Charles Patridge

Congratulations Jeff, stand back in line. Couldn't contact you there, your
Feedback button still is inactive, so do it here. What do you think are the
mere merits of your site as compared to other already existing sites
www.sconsig.com and www.sashelp.com and especially the discussion list SAS-L
(also as http://listserv.uga.edu/archives/sas-l.html)? Your consultant
center (link) is not yet active, would that become a link to SAS-L?

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At 04:12 AM 03/22/2002 +0000, Paul Dorfman wrote:

Paul,

If only we 'Mercans spoke (or at least wrote :-) the tongue as well as you
do, we'd all be a lot better off.  When it comes to SAS, prose, etc, my
hat's off to you.

And a big company it is.  Other than DJ, Dr John and the rest of our
friends across the pond, we're all still learning the Mother Tongue.

Kind Regards to you!

Ray

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<5.1.0.14.2.20020321195805.029f0...@postoffice.worldnet.att.net>...

Actually, there are a couple of possibilities:

1) your two (rhetorical?) questions should probably be in quotes;
2) your sentence in parentheses shouldn't have a comma in it (...by a
recruiter by itself raises...).

Unfortunately I'm not a cappucino drinker but I can always use it as a
Christmas present.  :-)

Ray Pass wrote :

This is basically a non-SAS related flame so you can hit the DELETE key now
if you are so inclined.

reproduced below?  Or even thoroughly read the

Yeah, I also thought that Chuck was being sarcastic.

what with "SAS", "sas", "Sas", etc sprinkled so
competing products.

I'd be real surprised if SAS didn't go after them with a big hook.

biggest problem in reading most of the pages >  is,  What ever happened to
the English language?

Y'know Ray my first reaction was that it was written by a non-native
speaker.  But then most of it looked like it could have been lifted from
www.sas.com  So I was curious.  Maybe the writer made deliberate changes to
avoid being accused of lifting it off the SAS site?  Gee, even the color
scheme is the same!

Dianne Louise Rhodes
Sr. Systems Analyst
Westat

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At 10:36 22/03/02 -0500, Ray Pass wrote (in part):

I'm not so sure that you should make exceptions of us - I think we stopped
learning that Tongue at a far earlier point than do many of those for whom
English is not the first language.

For example, it's pretty apparent from some of the things he writes that
Paul D has a much greater understanding of formal English grammar than any
of us over here are ever likely to have!

However, we all seem able to communicate with one another reasonably
effectively, which is what matters, even if we are 'divided by that common
language'!!

Kind Regards

John

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At 03:51 PM 03/22/2002 +0000, randy cartwright <randall.cartwri...@GTE.NET>
wrote:

They were not "direct quotations", but rather "independent clauses".  As
such, since they can stand alone, their first words should be
capitalized.  They should not however be quoted.

I think this is one of those judgement calls, but I yield if I am wrong
here.  I am far from a linguistical expert, just a mild philologist at
large :-)

Perhaps we have squandered enough space on this interesting, but quite
off-topic topic.  I'm speaking about the grammar here, not the subject of
my original post.  That I think is still quite SAS-related.  My feeling at
this point is that the site will probably die a natural death due to
under-usage, if SAS itself does not cause it's removal first based on it's
liberal use of copyrighted material.  Time will tell.

Ray

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