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Sober Hi  
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This board is a wonderful resource. Thanks to all.

I am new to SAS (and don't even do this full-time), so be gentle
(please).

At work, we have SAS 6.12 and do NOT have a license for SAS'
excessively pricey Client IDE. It is a small shop here and budgets are
thin.

I am currently using TEXTPAD with SAS syntax highlighting for coding
development. This tool does little more than syntax highlighting. (The
other two people who do some occasional SAS development here use
Notepad !!!).

I am in need something that does much more. I have other programming
experience in SQL Server and Visual Basic and have been spoiled by
their rich IDE.

The only tools I found out there are UltraEdit (which seems to do the
same thing as TextPad) and ASAP by ComplementSoft. What else is out
there other than ASAP? What are people using? Any advice? Hints?
Suggestions?

Kindly advise. I did try to search around before posting and was
unable to find an article discussing this in detail. If someone can
help me find one, that might suffice as well......

Thanks in advance.....

Soberhi


 
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Richard A. DeVenezia  
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 More options Jun 3 2004, 11:52 am
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From: "Richard A. DeVenezia" <radev...@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:52:04 -0400
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Sober Hi wrote:
> This board is a wonderful resource. Thanks to all.

> I am currently using TEXTPAD with SAS syntax highlighting for coding
> development. This tool does little more than syntax highlighting. (The
> other two people who do some occasional SAS development here use
> Notepad !!!).

In this same camp there is Nedit, Emacs, Kedit,... you name it.
Search the archives (http://www.listserv.uga.edu/archives/sas-l.html) for
prior threads regarding best text editor for sas.
Me? I don't need no stinking ide ;) [but I do use UltraEdit]

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Peter Crawford  
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 More options Jun 3 2004, 11:59 am
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Surely, if sas6.12 is licensed then you can use sas display manager?

If your sas server is on unix, and you don't get an x-windows
emulator, you could use the sas learning edition (~$100) for code
development and testing on windows, before uploading to unix.
SAS also ship a JDMS at no extra charge, but you would need to
be able to address your sas server from a java window

................... iirc

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David L. Cassell  
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Notepad?  Ick.

If you don't like working in the SAS Display Manager to do your coding,
may want to look farther afield.  Some of the serious unix-heads use
Emacs as an IDE, opening multiple windows to run source and monitor
results as they go.  But you have to like Emacs first to consider this.
There are plenty of programming tools which allow you to code, then
execute
the code and examine the results, while remaining in the tool.

I personally don't use an IDE at all, and I program in whatever happens
to be avaiable on whichever box I am at.  But that's just me.  I know a
SAS developer who programs on his own linux box using the vi-mode of
Emacs.  But that's excessive.  :-)

HTH,
David
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Pardee, Roy  
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 More options Jun 3 2004, 12:48 pm
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Gosh, does even the enhanced SAS editor really compare to vs.net?  I'd
be surprised...

Personally, I get pretty good mileage out of UltraEdit & a couple of wsh
scripts for submitting jobs & trolling logs for errors...


 
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There was an implication at the Futures Forum at the recent SUGI that
the latest version of the editor has some "IntelliSense"-like features
(listing the possible parameters for a function call, for example), but
I haven't seen it in action.

SAS is a member of the Eclipse board, so maybe some of that technology
will show up eventually (but ptobably not soon).

--
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Metrics Department, First Health
West Sacramento, California USA

>>> "Pardee, Roy" <parde...@GHC.ORG> 06/03/2004 9:48 AM >>>

Gosh, does even the enhanced SAS editor really compare to vs.net?  I'd
be surprised...

Personally, I get pretty good mileage out of UltraEdit & a couple of
wsh
scripts for submitting jobs & trolling logs for errors...


 
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I think Jack hit it.  The "IntelliSense"-like behavior is what the SAS tools
miss for me.  I prefer UltraEdit even though the Enhanced Editor does a bit
better job of highlighting.  Perhaps I am missing an updated word file for
UE, but I have not been able to modify what I have to highlight comments vs
PROC TABULATE *'s correctly.

Nevertheless, the real power of the M$ IDE's lie in the help with syntax.

My $.02,

Rob Rohrbough


 
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Nordlund, Dan  
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I use Textpad set up to submit jobs in batch mode and keep the log and lst
files open in additional windows.  One alternative which has only been
partially mentioned is to use Emacs or Xemacs with ESS (Emacs Speaks
Statistics).  I have only begun to dabble with it but it does appear to be a
viable alternative.  And Xemacs is somewhat less daunting to Mswin users
that plain emacs or vi.

Dan Nordlund

Notepad?  Ick.

If you don't like working in the SAS Display Manager to do your coding, may
want to look farther afield.  Some of the serious unix-heads use Emacs as an
IDE, opening multiple windows to run source and monitor results as they go.
But you have to like Emacs first to consider this. There are plenty of
programming tools which allow you to code, then execute the code and examine
the results, while remaining in the tool.

I personally don't use an IDE at all, and I program in whatever happens to
be avaiable on whichever box I am at.  But that's just me.  I know a SAS
developer who programs on his own linux box using the vi-mode of Emacs.  But
that's excessive.  :-)

HTH,
David
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Paul M. Dorfman  
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Date: 3 Jun 04 19:06:24 GMT
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Soberhi,

IMHO, editor wars are most of the time are tempests in tea pots when it
comes to SAS coding. SAS is an extremely concise language, and a programmer
spends most of the time thinking about how to tell the machine what to do
rather than typing instructions. Hence I concur with David that almost any
editor will go except perhaps bone-dry Notepad... I do not like Brut,
although it has its advantages as well. 6.12 SAS Program Editor offers
enough, except perhaps tongue-specific highlighting. If you try to adhere to
the following:

-- keep code consistently indented
-- make code lines neither too long, nor too short
-- separate logically independent portions of code and steps with blank
lines or even *---------* ;
-- use blanks around operators and before semicolons (thanks, Ian) for
better instant visual comprehension (a = b, not a=b)
-- close steps with RUN/QUIT statements
-- become a line-up freak (i.e. instead of this:

A=.1;
ABC=5.2;
today=date();
Xy=256.32;

try this:

A     =    .1   ;
ABC   =   5.2   ;
Xy    = 256.32  ;
today = date () ;

in my experience, there is not line-up effort that does not pay off later
on),

and you will avoid needing many fancy editor features designed to cover for
stylistic sloppiness. And good folks looking at your intellectual heritage
will have no reason to suppress a surge of instinctive hostility towards an
incognito. My $.02, anyway.

Kind regards,
------------------
Paul M. Dorfman
Jacksonville, FL
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Dunn, Toby  
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Date: 3 Jun 04 19:12:56 GMT
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Paul,

Have you tried to get a group of programmers who haven't coded like you
propose to start coding like that.  LOL....I have tried and am still
trying but let me tell ya it isn't easy and man o man you become very
unpopular very fast.  I have found its about as volatile as telling some
one they need to restructure their data set so that the code will be
less, neater in appearance,  and easier to read.

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Paul M. Dorfman  
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Date: 3 Jun 04 19:41:31 GMT
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Toby,

No I have not, and I will not... I respect other people's coding styles.
Say, our OmniMaven has distinctively his own. What I wrote is what I think
makes it easier for people on the average to visually find trees, bushes,
leaves, et al. in the forest of SAS code. And there is much more to that.
For example, Ian's global concept if separating code from data makes
programs much more bulletproof and infinitely easier to maintain, but by a
corollary much easier to read, since it eliminates pages of wall paper.

The last place where I saw code style standards actually enforced was a
COBOL shop where I happened to be a SAS "resource" (denoting a person as a
resource started becoming excessively popular about the same time). It was
not objected to so much because COBOL itself is not a free-form language,
and its users take it for granted. However, once the local enforcer (who did
not know SAS) pointed it out to me that in my SAS program, tabs do not fit
the COBOL standards, and hence the program will not compile... to which I
replied that it had already RUN, and run successfully at that...

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----------------
Paul M. Dorfman
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Gys de Jongh  
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"Sober Hi" <sobe...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:b989e687.0406030707.3f3aa389@posting.google.com...

<snip>

Hi,
if you like the IntelliSense and object oriented programming then maybe you want
to have a look at Statistica.

http://www.statsoft.com/

It is a bit cheaper and smaller than SAS . It uses standard Visual Basic. I now
have a configuration where SQL Server is central. SAS talks easily with SQL
Server via the right Libname engine (ODBC or OLEDB ; search the SUGI archives).
Statistica , Visual Basic , Excel all can talk to SQL Server via ADO/OLEDB to do
the lighter jobs.

hth
Gys


 
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Alan Churchill  
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 More options Jun 4 2004, 1:01 am
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I disagree. As an experienced SAS user and an experienced VS .NET user,
SAS's IDEs are woefully behind. I think a modern IDE should support
Intellisense, automatic code formatting, indentation, parentheses
highlighting, XML integration, etc.

A pat answer would be (and has been) to train the programmer and I agree
with that sentiment. However, a modern IDE can certainly do all in its power
to make life at least easier for a programmer.

IMHO, SAS should abandon the IDEs that they have and work with an IDE
company to make a better editor. Whether that is Microsoft, Borland, IBM, or
an Eclipse angle...do something better. SAS's strength lies in analytics and
always has. Their IDEs have been horrible and still reflect back to their
ISPF roots.

Alan

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Peter Crawford  
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Without adequate experience of the ide for a VS .NET user, I
can't disagree with Alan Churchil below, but
on the capabilities of sas and sas display manager, I'd like to
interrupt Alan's message just a little>>>>(with prefix [pc]

On Thu, 3 Jun 2004 23:01:08 -0600,

Alan Churchill <EmailMeDirec...@ERRATIX.US> wrote:
>I disagree. As an experienced SAS user and an experienced VS .NET user,
>SAS's IDEs are woefully behind. I think a modern IDE should support
>Intellisense,

[pc]  Jack Hamilton points out that that is "on the cards"
      And have you seen "Creating Code Templates in the SAS Enhanced
Editor" http://support.sas.com/sassamples/papers/0303_saseditor.pdf

>automatic code formatting,

[pc]  high on the SASware ballot rankings and, again, "on the cards"

>indentation,

[pc]  part of the improvements planned (just for enhanced editor)

>parentheses highlighting,

[pc]  already facillitated, and enhancements announced

>XML integration,

[pc]  see sas9 atlas

>etc.

[pc]  that might be interesting too

>A pat answer would be (and has been) to train the programmer and I agree
>with that sentiment. However, a modern IDE can certainly do all in its
>power to make life at least easier for a programmer.

[pc] there are many features not automatically opened by an install
     "straight out of the box". Unfortunately, not enough awareness
     of these features circulates to those who need them.

>IMHO, SAS should abandon the IDEs that they have and work with an IDE
>company to make a better editor. Whether that is Microsoft, Borland,
>IBM, or an Eclipse angle...do something better. SAS's strength lies
>in analytics and always has. Their IDEs have been horrible and still
>reflect back to their ISPF roots.

[pc] I'm not so sure .... not all comments on Enterprise Guide
     are as positive as Alan's confident "abandon" requires.
     That, as Jack Hamilton points out SAS is involved in Eclipse,
     indicates SAS interest in new directions and developments.
     A comment at SUGI Futures Forum from Director R&D base SAS+
     (or is that foundation SAS ?)
     on Enterprise Guide vs Display Manager, seemed to indicate that
     the old platform is no longer strategic. Future developments
     for a SAS IDE do seem to bypass SAS Display Manager.
  Perhaps I'm mistaken -
  Perhaps SAS have abandoned Display Manager!
     At the end of Futures Forum, those interested in discussing
     future directions for a SAS IDE were invited to meet with
     SAS to open dialog like a focus group. Sadly, not a lot of
     customer interest was shown.

>Alan

While waiting for the future, there is much that can be done with
the existing environment. (we just don't have a "code beautifier"
yet  - any offers ? )
Using your sas coding and design skills,
allied to the historic DMS customisable environment,
allied to the(more recent) customisable sas explorer
there are a lot of potential options to *abandon*
perhaps (imho) too many!

Peter Crawford

>"Paul M. Dorfman" <sash...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>news:20040603190615.TYZW18879.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@sasholewmis4a7..
.
>> Soberhi,

>> IMHO, editor wars are most of the time are tempests in tea pots

.......... snips available in archives


 
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Sigurd Hermansen  
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All:
Even though this discussion began with V6 constraints, it has now ranged
into future IDE's. Surprisingly, Peter Crawford has mentioned SAS Enterprise
Guide (EG). Does that IDE application have a future for real programmers, or
will it languish as did SAS/Assist?

I have found EG useful in some respects. It provides templates for certain
procedures, including REPORT, FREQ, and graphics, and for ODS. Hopefully, it
will also help specify data objects and methods (a role that SAS has
fragmented into a confusing array of products such as ETL Studio and AppDev
Studio).

EG and the original server component, Integration Technologies, appear to be
aimed more at executives and analysts than programmers. Perhaps those of us
who actually write SAS programs have made it too abundantly clear that we
won't use an IDE that hides the details of programmers from the user. While
I continue to favor writing scripts to a purely graphical interface, I have
a more open mind than before when it comes to intelligent prompts and
generated program segments (say, connection strings from directory nodes,
property sheets a la VB for middleware components, or icons representing
metatdata).

What would a real programmer really want to see in an IDE? What would she or
he actually use?

I would like to avoid becoming the current equivalent of the mainframe
assembly language programmer of the early 1990's. New programming
environments don't empower executives and analysts and make programmers
obsolete. Executives buy an IDE and hire a new class of programmers
(currently, Oracle developers, Web developers, and MS Windows system
engineers). What on the cluttered shelf of IDE products would help database
programmers work more productively?
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Richard A. DeVenezia  
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A 'modern' IDE that supports all the features mention relies on an
objectification of the constructs being eventually realized as 'source
code'.  In a fully objected paradigm, there would be no source, simply
objects, attributes and data configuring relationships between objects or
attributes thereof (Enterprise Guide 3?).  The 'source' in essence is the
set of properties that realizes some abstraction (as code) via a renderer.

In certain IDEs, the the gui used to develope the relationships drives the
persistent representation of those relationships to  be a non-source data
construct wherein the source code is a rendering of data (i.e. the gui can
write source, but handwritten/altered source can't always be gui'd)

Certain aspects of the SAS system are ripe for objectification, indeed, they
probably are in terms of the internal compiler(s) for Proc and Data steps.
All those wonderful statements we can place in a step have to be torn down
and verified with respect to the documented grammars (that contract between
SAS and us that says 'write it like this' and 'it will compile').

Most of us know SAS Institute does indeed respond to customer demand (albeit
slow sometimes), if you want an intellisensed IDE, make your voice heard!
Send emails to sugg...@sas.com, tell them to put feature X on the SAS
Ballot, contact people you network with and tell them request feature X.

Sure, a feature can bring in new customers, but servicing existing customers
is also important.  I wouldn't know how to do a cost benefit analysis
regarding 'new business for feature X' versus 'maintaining business with
feature Y'

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Gary Ross  
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Just to throw my two cents worth in, we use SlickEdit at our shop and
with the Sas plug-in, seems to have almost all the features mentioned in
this thread. Additionally, projects can be set-up we previosly opened
files, etc. are remembered. It is pretty slick. :)

 
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%Soapox on;

I have one thing to say about Visual-Studio IDEs, MS-Word and
MS-Execl: Increase the power of the command line,
so I can recover screen realstate.

I once saw I secretary typing in a 4in by 4in window, the rest of
her screen was toolbars.

Because almost all of SAS can be executed on the command line,
why would anyone even consider any other editor.

I like to use the old bare bones 'ispf' SAS editor.

   0. Turn everthing off in Tools>Options
      and Tools>customize ( I do this with word and excel too)
      ( I do save last 30 commands and use color coding )

      turn off toolbars/enhanced editor/explorer/scrollbars etc

      Turn the command on and numbers on

   1. I like two identical 21 in monitors, two editor panels in left
      monitor and log and list in right monitor

      Your right monitor might look like

   Program Editor           |    NotePad <G.G>
   Command ===>             |    Command ====>
   000001                   |
   000002                   |
                            |

     Your left monitor might look like

   Log                      |    Output
   Command ====>            |    Command ====>
                            |
                            |
                            |

  2. I remove horizontal scroll bars
     I use funtion keys instead

     Function key 1 'F1'  has 'left 2'
     Function key 2 'F2'  has 'right 2'

     Just hold down the key to scroll ( more sensitive than scroll
bars)
     Plus I gain realstate.

  3. I remove vertical scrollbars
     Usue page down and page up keys for vertical scrolling

  4. I like to do my own versioning

     In autoexec '%Let _q=%sysfunc(int(%sysfunc(time())));'

     first line of all my program is  '%let Pgm=Pop_Dem;'

     To version your program

     place this text on a mouse button, yes
     I use all 3 mouse buttons and all 6 mouse button controls

     save &pgm.&_q;file &pgm..sas r;%let _q=%eval(0&_q + 1);

     Each time you hit shf-rmb your program will be saved
     with a new unique number on the end ie Pop_Dem30678 ..
Pop_Dem30679

  5. I put the magic string on F4

  8. I put f '=';mark;home;2;home;mark;home;store;home;unmark;top;home;paste;:ts
     on PF5 this grabs the program name from the first line of your
     program and puts the text on the command line

     for fun execute this program ( in pgm editor - not on command
line)

     DM '1;HOME;C " " "CompuCraft";HOME;F
"CompuCraft";MARK;HOME;2;HOME;MARK;CUT;PASTE;PASTE;PASTE;';

  9. Instead pointing and clicking, I have use short editor commands,
that keep your
     hands on the keyboard for instance.

 10. I have many more IDE shortcuts, but do not have time to outline
them here.

     The prefix area ( where the line numbers are ) will accept
commands.

     Point and shoot functions make the SAS editor even more powerful.

     I can highlight and submit a block of SAS code using just the
mouse

     example of point and shoot function...

     ie highlight - hold down left mouse button - drag over code - -
then hit middle
     mouse  button to submit highlighted code.

     'home' takes you to the command line, 'log' takes you to the log
panel and activates
     that panel, 'out' takes you to output panel command line. Thies
is very fast
     panel flipping. All without your hands leaving the keyboard.

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Peter Crawford  
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From: Pe...@CRAWFORDSOFTWARE.DEMON.CO.UK (Peter Crawford)
Date: 6 Jun 04 17:22:51 GMT
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Hi Sig

EG won't languish !

I raised the question of EG at the SUGi futures forum. I was very
surprised to hear that
           EG is the strategic sas client.
           DMS will not be developed further.
Perhaps we have to be using templates far more than we do already.

>EG and the original server component, Integration Technologies,
>appear to be aimed more at executives and analysts than programmers

Perhaps programmers as well as executives, have to find potential
value in EG
So far I've only seen the neat pfd funnel for a where clause,
and heard about scheduling tasks in EG3 .........
**********So it might have been helpful if SAS/UK had shipped EG
          along with my SAS9.1  (base SAS plus a couple)       !!!!!
My exposure to EG remains a _real_ "future option"

Peter Crawford
Crawford Software Consultancy Limited
UK

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You might be right, but I don't remember hearing that DMS won't be
developed further (I'm including the Enhanced Editor as part of DMS).

I think that the editor in EG and the Enhanced Editor in SAS for
Windows are basically the same program, just called from different
places.  Can anyone verify (or refute) that?

I use EG as a text editor for SAS programs quite often, and yes, there
is value in it for programmers.  The problems for programers in EG don't
come from the editor.

It was stated at the Futures Forum that there is no intention to port
EG to Unix or any other non-Windows platform.

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>>> "Peter Crawford" <Pe...@CRAWFORDSOFTWARE.DEMON.CO.UK> 06/06/2004

10:22 AM >>>
Hi Sig

EG won't languish !

I raised the question of EG at the SUGi futures forum. I was very
surprised to hear that
           EG is the strategic sas client.
           DMS will not be developed further.
Perhaps we have to be using templates far more than we do already.

>EG and the original server component, Integration Technologies,
>appear to be aimed more at executives and analysts than programmers

Perhaps programmers as well as executives, have to find potential
value in EG
So far I've only seen the neat pfd funnel for a where clause,
and heard about scheduling tasks in EG3 .........
**********So it might have been helpful if SAS/UK had shipped EG
          along with my SAS9.1  (base SAS plus a couple)       !!!!!
My exposure to EG remains a _real_ "future option"

Peter Crawford
Crawford Software Consultancy Limited
UK

On Fri, 4 Jun 2004 09:03:59 -0400, Sigurd Hermansen
<HERMA...@WESTAT.COM>
wrote:

they
need
>to restructure their data set so that the code will be less, neater
in
>appearance,  and easier to read.

>Toby Dunn

>-----Original Message-----
>From: SAS(r) Discussion [mailto:SA...@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of

Paul
M.

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Jack:
The EG editor and the DMS appear to work basically the same. Obvious
exceptions include toolbars, additional features in EG, and details. Details
include method of executing a marked block, different segments for log,
list, and work datasets, and a prompt asking whether to delete prior log,
list, and work datasets.
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Yes, the EG Editor is the Enhanced Editor. If you have both SAS and EG,
you only need it installed once (in 8.2 within the "Shared Files"
subdirectory of c:\program files\sas institute).

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EG is coded in Microsoft .NET and there are probably specific calls to the
Microsoft class names (for example, MS Office libraries). However, with the
Mono Project working on a Linux port of .NET, it is possible that EG may pop
up on a Unix machine someday...but I doubt it.

Alan

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Hello all

I agree that the EG editor is about the same as the enhanced editor in
PC-SAS v.8.02.
The only difference I've noticed is the deployment of settings.

As for EG's usefulness for developers, I'll admit that the template for proc
tabulate can be handy with complex tables, and the SAS/Graph procedures
which I have no intention to learn, are also nice to have on a click-to-know
basis.
But that's also where the good things to say about EG ends. (If You're not
in the mood for complaints, stop reading! :-)

1: What have happened to the SAS/Connect-procedures and statements?
- Well yes, with Integration Technology you have the possibility to add
remote servers to EG, BUT: Stupid EG "downloads" everything to the first
location in mention. That's not enough control to the programmer for my
taste, and besides how do You export the code to be run in batch-mode?
2: What about the command line? Where has it gone? Along with my beloved
dm-statements perhaps?
3: The formerly acceptable break-function is now single-threaded (EG 2)-
exactly when does Your break-ordered submitted statements stop processing
then? :-) (It's fixed in EG 3 allright)

That's about it, for being bitter. I sincerely hope that SAS will wake up
some day, and spend some effort in making an IDE instead of a DEE
(Disintegrated Entanglement Environment).

If any of You fellow SAS-developers are in favour of EG, please post Your
positive arguments :o)

Best Regard
Christian
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EG is the best program that SAS has out there IMHO. Certainly, the EG guys
have presented us with a modern interface and the next EG is really nice.
However, it is not an IDE: it is intended for analysts and not for
developers. For developers, it's back to the good old enhanced editor which
is why I have an issue with SAS's IDE. It is simply not up to speed against
modern development environments. Nothing anyone has posted has really
changed my mind on that simple fact.

SAS certainly has the talent internally to make a decent IDE. Nonetheless, I
still maintain that they should look external and just hook into an existing
environment.

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