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clashton  
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 More options Jan 26, 1:46 am
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.math.maple
From: clashton <clash...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 22:46:57 -0800 (PST)
Local: Thurs, Jan 26 2012 1:46 am
Subject: Series Summation Question
I am a little curious about whether Maple can evaluate a certain
infinite sum that fails with Mathematica (I do not have Maple so
cannot test it myself).

Here is the sum in Mathematica:
Sum[q^(-6 + 4*n)/(1 - q^(-5 + 4*n)), {n, 0, Infinity}] /. {q -> 0.1}
This leads to and error,
but
(Sum[q^(-6 + 4*n)/(1 - q^(-5 + 4*n)), {n, 0, 1}] /. {q -> 0.1)
                                 +
(Sum[q^(-6 + 4*n)/(1 - q^(-5 + 4*n)), {n, 2, Infinity}] /. {q -> 0.1})
gives the correct answer, which I find a little strange.

How does Maple perform on the original sum?


 
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Axel Vogt  
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 More options Jan 26, 1:41 pm
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.math.maple
From: Axel Vogt <&nore...@axelvogt.de>
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 19:41:00 +0100
Subject: Re: Series Summation Question
On 26.01.2012 07:46, clashton wrote:

> I am a little curious about whether Maple can evaluate a certain
> infinite sum that fails with Mathematica (I do not have Maple so
> cannot test it myself).

> Here is the sum in Mathematica:
> Sum[q^(-6 + 4*n)/(1 - q^(-5 + 4*n)), {n, 0, Infinity}] /. {q ->  0.1}
> This leads to and error,
> but
> (Sum[q^(-6 + 4*n)/(1 - q^(-5 + 4*n)), {n, 0, 1}] /. {q ->  0.1)
>                                   +
> (Sum[q^(-6 + 4*n)/(1 - q^(-5 + 4*n)), {n, 2, Infinity}] /. {q ->  0.1})
> gives the correct answer, which I find a little strange.

> How does Maple perform on the original sum?

Using Maple 15:

   Sum(q^(-6+4*n)/(1-q^(-5+4*n)),n = 0 .. infinity);
   eval(%, q=0.1);
   evalf(%);
                              -21.10120010


 
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Joe Riel  
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 More options Jan 26, 11:21 am
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.math.maple
From: Joe Riel <j...@san.rr.com>
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 08:21:49 -0800
Local: Thurs, Jan 26 2012 11:21 am
Subject: Re: Series Summation Question

clashton <clash...@gmail.com> writes:
> I am a little curious about whether Maple can evaluate a certain
> infinite sum that fails with Mathematica (I do not have Maple so
> cannot test it myself).

> Here is the sum in Mathematica:
> Sum[q^(-6 + 4*n)/(1 - q^(-5 + 4*n)), {n, 0, Infinity}] /. {q -> 0.1}
> This leads to and error,
> but
> (Sum[q^(-6 + 4*n)/(1 - q^(-5 + 4*n)), {n, 0, 1}] /. {q -> 0.1)
>                                  +
> (Sum[q^(-6 + 4*n)/(1 - q^(-5 + 4*n)), {n, 2, Infinity}] /. {q -> 0.1})
> gives the correct answer, which I find a little strange.

> How does Maple perform on the original sum?

Summing numerically (and guessing at the meaning of the Mathematica):

(**) S := Sum(q^(-6 + 4*n)/(1 - q^(-5 + 4*n)), n=0..infinity);
                                  infinity
                                   -----      (-6 + 4 n)
                                    \        q
                             S :=    )     ---------------
                                    /           (-5 + 4 n)
                                   -----   1 - q
                                   n = 0

(**) evalf(eval(S,q=1/10));
                                     -21.10120010

--
Joe Riel


 
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clashton  
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 More options Jan 26, 7:45 pm
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.math.maple
From: clashton <clash...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 16:45:31 -0800 (PST)
Local: Thurs, Jan 26 2012 7:45 pm
Subject: Re: Series Summation Question
On Jan 26, 11:21 am, Joe Riel <j...@san.rr.com> wrote:

Maple wins this round.

 
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Peter Pein  
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 More options Jan 27, 1:31 am
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.math.maple
From: Peter Pein <pet...@dordos.net>
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 07:31:19 +0100
Local: Fri, Jan 27 2012 1:31 am
Subject: Re: Series Summation Question
Am 27.01.2012 01:45, schrieb clashton:

Well, if you are interested in the approximation of the sum's value for
q=1/10, you should have used NSum in Mathematica:

NSum[q^(-6 + 4*n)/(1 - q^(-5 + 4*n)) /. q->1/10, {n, 0, Infinity},
WorkingPrecision->20]

-21.101200102001001100

or - using your workaround - get

6/(5*(-1 + q)) + (1 + 2*q + 3*q^2 + 4*q^3)/(5*(1 + q + q^2 + q^3 + q^4))
+ (-2*Log[q^4] + Log[1 - q^4] + QPolyGamma[0, 2 - Log[q^5]/Log[q^4],
q^4])/(q*Log[q^4])

as (hopefully) exact value.

Cheers, Peter


 
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Peter Pein  
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 More options Jan 27, 1:55 am
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From: Peter Pein <pet...@dordos.net>
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 07:55:54 +0100
Local: Fri, Jan 27 2012 1:55 am
Subject: Re: Series Summation Question
Am 27.01.2012 07:31, schrieb Peter Pein:

Sorry for posting too fast. One gets the result in a more simple form by
doing sth. more complicated:

In[1]:= f[q_] = q^(-6 + 4*n)/(1 - q^(-5 + 4*n));
assum = SumConvergence[f[q], n]
s[q_] = Together[Subtract @@ (Limit[Sum[f[q], n], n -> #1, Assumptions
-> assum] & ) /@ {Infinity, 0}]
N[s[1/10]]

Out[2]= q != 0 && Abs[q]^4 < 1
Out[3]= (Log[1 - q^4] + QPolyGamma[0, -(Log[q^5]/Log[q^4]),
q^4])/(q*Log[q^4])
Out[4]= -21.1012


 
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clashton  
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 More options Jan 28, 10:59 am
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From: clashton <clash...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 07:59:31 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sat, Jan 28 2012 10:59 am
Subject: Re: Series Summation Question
Thanks to everyone.

I am happy to see that there was a way of doing it in Mathematica, as
I do not have Maple.

On Jan 27, 1:55 am, Peter Pein <pet...@dordos.net> wrote:


 
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Axel Vogt  
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 More options Jan 28, 2:21 pm
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From: Axel Vogt <&nore...@axelvogt.de>
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 20:21:44 +0100
Local: Sat, Jan 28 2012 2:21 pm
Subject: Re: Series Summation Question
On 27.01.2012 07:55, Peter Pein wrote:
...

I am not aware that Maple has a command to find a
condition for convergence.

And it does not provide a symbolic solution (where
I guess the above cryptic command does just that)


 
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Peter Pein  
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 More options Feb 2, 6:21 am
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From: Peter Pein <pet...@dordos.net>
Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2012 12:21:45 +0100
Local: Thurs, Feb 2 2012 6:21 am
Subject: Re: Series Summation Question
Am 28.01.2012 20:21, schrieb Axel Vogt:

yes, see: http://reference.wolfram.com/mathematica/ref/QPolyGamma.html
and/or
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/q-PolygammaFunction.html

 
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