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Nathalie Hutt

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Apr 10, 2004, 1:51:17 AM4/10/04
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Such tasks are made for intelligent women, men have the IQ of a
caveman and should do the dirty work or play, 惡ause they愉e just
children with an adult body.

I predict that all important inventions of the future will be made by
women, men are obsolete today.

Garrett Mace

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Apr 10, 2004, 2:44:48 AM4/10/04
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"Nathalie Hutt" <nathal...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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> Such tasks are made for intelligent women, men have the IQ of a
> caveman

Sometimes.

> and should do the dirty work or play, ´cause they´re just


> children with an adult body.

Ah HA! And what, exactly, is tinkering around with useless things, other
than play? It's this perpetual childhood playfulness and curiosity that
results in so many inventions and scientific discoveries by men. Women (in
my experience) are practical. If they cannot see an advantage to doing
something, they won't consider it. Men will do whatever comes to mind first.
Thus you have Volta dangling severed frog legs outside during a
thunderstorm. I'll grant you the fact that most playing around by men has
absolutely zero value, but sometimes it pays off.

> I predict that all important inventions of the future will be made by
> women, men are obsolete today.

I must have missed a major event that reversed our roles, then. If the past
is any indication, men will continue to tinker around with everything while
women will stay focused on tasks at hand. Women will refine and implement
new technology, but men will more or less blunder into the big discoveries.
I honestly know very very few women in engineering who are in it mostly for
the fun it of, rather than for the career opportunity.

Yes, I fed the troll. I felt like it. ;-)


chris

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Apr 10, 2004, 1:21:23 PM4/10/04
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Sigh....

Just like my ex, starting a fight just for the attention and the makeup
sex...

chris in napa

Neil Durant

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Apr 10, 2004, 2:23:27 PM4/10/04
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Why should the future be any different to the past? Look around you and
practically every you see was invented by a man...

--
Neil Durant
<n.durant at ntlworld dot com>

James M. Devine

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Apr 10, 2004, 3:07:56 PM4/10/04
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well..., After a long day in the lab, I need a warm meal and a beer.
Having a woman to bring them to me improves my work. Therefore women do
deserve some credit. :) Let the arrows fly...

Nathalie Hutt wrote:
> Such tasks are made for intelligent women, men have the IQ of a

> caveman and should do the dirty work or play, ´cause they´re just

Guillaume

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Apr 10, 2004, 4:07:30 PM4/10/04
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> Just like my ex, starting a fight just for the attention and the makeup
> sex...

Although in this case, there is no sex in line as far as we know.

Maybe "newsgroup" sex? ;-)

WTH

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Apr 10, 2004, 9:52:48 PM4/10/04
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Nathalie Hutt <nathal...@lycos.com> bored us with:

$5 says you're a man at heart...

WTH;)


Zagan

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Apr 11, 2004, 12:49:40 AM4/11/04
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"Nathalie Hutt" <nathal...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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> Such tasks are made for intelligent women, men have the IQ of a
> caveman and should do the dirty work or play, ´cause they´re just

> children with an adult body.
>
> I predict that all important inventions of the future will be made by
> women, men are obsolete today.

[Zagan]
Evidence?

None? Gee, I wonder why?

Are you on your period, or suffering PMS? Seems likely.

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Jeff Fox

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Apr 11, 2004, 1:46:33 PM4/11/04
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The story of Frankenstien, or of robotics, is one of womb-envy. ;-)

Randy M. Dumse

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Apr 11, 2004, 1:49:56 PM4/11/04
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"Jeff Fox" <f...@ultratechnology.com> wrote in message
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> The story of Frankenstien, or of robotics, is one of womb-envy. ;-)

How do you figure that? Do you know who the author of Frankenstien was?
No womb envy there.

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Caution: Objects in mirror are more confused than they appear.


Robert Mockan

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Apr 11, 2004, 5:08:45 PM4/11/04
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Nathalie Hutt wrote:

You might have something there. Certainly when you see
a prize being offered to make a robot vehicle that can
travel between Barstow and Las Vegas, instead of for example
a domestic house cleaning robot that can also fix meals
and do the dishes one has to wonder what the priorities
are. A cruise missile does an excellent job of flying to
its' target, using a combination of data from inertial and GPS
navigation systems. But of course that is in the air without
little rocks and ruts a ground vehicle can fall over..
My company assembles a gated shutter 3-D optical scanner
that can be set in position then will proceed to map all
distances to objects within a given volume with a resolution
of less than a fraction of an inch. Placed on a mobile
powered platform, for example, using the IBOT chassis
http://www.powerchair-review.fsnet.co.uk/ibot-3000-transporter-independence-technology.htm
with the scanner mounted on top it could map out the interior of
a home without difficulty, thus providing data for navigation
within the house. Some waldo designs borrowed from nuclear
labs for picking and placing objects, with motorized extension
and retraction, under computer control after initial training
of for example fixing a meal, collecting, and cleaning dishes,
and one could have the beginnings of a useful domestic robot.

Men continue to misunderstand the amount of labor that goes into
keeping house and raising a family. Perhaps it will indeed take
a woman to build the first universal useful robots...

Jeff Fox

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Apr 11, 2004, 6:41:48 PM4/11/04
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"Randy M. Dumse" <r...@newmicros.com> wrote in message news:<0Afec.63$wX6....@eagle.america.net>...

> "Jeff Fox" <f...@ultratechnology.com> wrote in message
> news:4fbeeb5a.04041...@posting.google.com...
> > The story of Frankenstien, or of robotics, is one of womb-envy. ;-)
>
> How do you figure that? Do you know who the author of Frankenstien was?
> No womb envy there.

The 'story' of Dr. Frankenstien and his creation was one of a man
wanting to create life. In a discussion of Young Frankenstien the
filmmaker, Mel Brooks, made the comment that it is a story about
womb-envy. Since women have wombs where human life is created a
short description of men's desires to create life though engineering
is womb-envy. Sure Mary Shelly was not suffering from womb-envy,
but the character she created sure was. (And, I did use a smiley. ;-)

Maybe a better response to this thread would be the question, are
robots too stupid to build men, or just not stupid enough? ;-)

Best Wishes

RatliffGrp

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Apr 11, 2004, 7:16:48 PM4/11/04
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"Makeup sex?" What's that? My ex loved to fight to get attention, but there
was NO MAKEUP SEX! (Sigh) Ripped off again!

Seth Koster

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Apr 13, 2004, 10:53:16 PM4/13/04
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nathal...@lycos.com (Nathalie Hutt) wrote in message news:<9a6c4c2b.04040...@posting.google.com>...

> Such tasks are made for intelligent women, men have the IQ of a
> caveman and should do the dirty work or play, ´cause they´re just

> children with an adult body.
>
> I predict that all important inventions of the future will be made by
> women, men are obsolete today.

From your post I can rule out at least one woman from the possible
multitudes who will one day rule over us men while inventing
everything of worth. Absolutely we are obsolete! After all, what
do we do anymore? I mean if you discount philosophy, religion,
science, education, governing, enforcing laws, entertaining, creating
artwork, supplying half of the genetics of children, manufacturing,
etc., we are some lazy bastards, huh? Note that women can do all of
these things and in fact do many of them, but then I never said that
women are obsolete child-idiots in adult bodies.
As to children with adult bodies, one might argue that either that
is good since children have not lost their imaginations, or that women
are more childlike since an aspect of acting adult is controlling
one's emotions. I prefer to think that each individual is different,
and therefore women and men are about equally idiotic and childlike on
the whole.
I predict that someone will laugh at you in the near future. I
guarantee you that someone has laughed at you in the recent past.

Unknown

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Apr 14, 2004, 8:52:09 PM4/14/04
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> From your post I can rule out at least one woman from the possible
>multitudes who will one day rule over us men ......

Hmm. Multitudes of women ruling over me. Cool.

+brw

Randy M. Dumse

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Apr 15, 2004, 7:29:10 PM4/15/04
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"Jeff Fox" <f...@ultratechnology.com> wrote in message
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> Since women have wombs where human life is created a
> short description of men's desires to create life though engineering
> is womb-envy. Sure Mary Shelly was not suffering from womb-
> envy, but the character she created sure was.

Jeff, you may have a good point there. At one time in the past, when New
Micros, Inc. was in its start up phase, I worked very long hours. Many
people told me to slow down and relax. I wondered if olympic atheletes
are told by their friends to relax? Are concert violinists told to
relax? And are mothers ever told to ignore their children and relax?

So I came on the idea of finding a suitable motherhood book. Copy it,
replacing all reference to "mother" with "entrepreneur" and "child" with
business. I'm sure it would be the kind of revealing hit that would make
the best seller lists as a tremendous insight into the minds of men,
bent on the power of "creating" their companies or projects, with the
same intensity that mothers have for their children.

--
Randy M. Dumse
www.newmicros.com

Jeff Fox

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Apr 16, 2004, 2:37:35 PM4/16/04
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"Randy M. Dumse" <r...@newmicros.com> wrote in message news:<2WEfc.33$uP....@eagle.america.net>...

After investing a decade of time and money to produce custom chips
for AI and robotics I borrowed the term 'mind children' from Hans
Morovec and refered to the chips as my children. When I heard Mel
Brooks make the joke about 'womb envy' as a description of the story
of Dr. Frankenstien and his obsession with creating life it
resonated with me. I suppose the idea does also resonate with
anyone going through all the effort to take something from a
mere idea and give birth to it and nurture its development.

BTW. You have some really nice new products at New Micros. I
hope other people have checked out your website to see their
new options.

Best Wishes

Daniel Rudy

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Apr 17, 2004, 2:21:56 AM4/17/04
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And somewhere around the time of 04/09/2004 22:51, the world stopped and
listened as Nathalie Hutt contributed the following to humanity:

> Such tasks are made for intelligent women, men have the IQ of a

> caveman and should do the dirty work or play, ´cause they´re just


> children with an adult body.

Problem is that women generally don't have that "out of the box"
creativity that men do. As for your child reference...Yep, I can agree
to that.

> I predict that all important inventions of the future will be made by
> women, men are obsolete today.

Um...No.

Remember, without a man, YOU wouldn't be here, and neither would the
rest of us.

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Daniel Rudy

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Robin G Hewitt

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Apr 17, 2004, 4:41:17 AM4/17/04
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> men are too stupid to build robots


I think I'm inclined to agree. I've spent nearly 3 years designing this
bipedal 'thing', the domain name has been renewed but never used, all I have
are lots of very clever mechanisms which don't quite join together to form a
cohesive whole.

I think my problem is that I start designing at the knees (limited space,
awkward shape, 20 ft.lbs req'd) then spread out. By the time I reach the
fingertips I have invariably found a better lever system or a better motor
and want to apply it to the knees. The enemy of a good idea is a better
idea, round and round I go in ever decreasing circles.

Perhaps I should ask myself, "How would a woman escape this loop?"

best regards

Robin G Hewitt


Tom McEwan

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Apr 17, 2004, 11:48:36 AM4/17/04
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. I've spent nearly 3 years designing this
> bipedal 'thing', the domain name has been renewed but never used, all I
have
> are lots of very clever mechanisms which don't quite join together to form
a
> cohesive whole.

Join the club. I also have loads of unfinished subsystems and prototypes
scattered all over the workshop. Still, even Leonardo did that, so it's
probably nothing to be ashamed of. It's just always annoying when you keep
coming up with better ways to build things before finishing the last
attempt, and end up with a huge heap of junk.

If you do figure out a way of breaking the loop, please share it!

Tom


Dennis Clark

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May 20, 2004, 12:39:55 AM5/20/04
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Randy M. Dumse <r...@newmicros.com> wrote:
: "Jeff Fox" <f...@ultratechnology.com> wrote in message

: news:4fbeeb5a.04041...@posting.google.com...
: > The story of Frankenstien, or of robotics, is one of womb-envy. ;-)

: How do you figure that? Do you know who the author of Frankenstien was?
: No womb envy there.

<Laugh> I should HOPE not!

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John Casey

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John Casey

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"Dennis Clark" <d...@io.frii.com> wrote in message
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Wasn't the author, Mary Shelley, having a go at male
scientists who have no regard for morality or nature?

Victor Frankenstein was playing God and his only
interest was prestige, fame, admiration and power.

Our Frankenstein monster might be the nuclear bomb.

JGC
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Carl Burke

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May 20, 2004, 5:27:29 PM5/20/04
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John Casey wrote:
[re "Frankenstein"]

> Wasn't the author, Mary Shelley, having a go at male
> scientists who have no regard for morality or nature?

Maybe, but I read it more as an attack on people who
don't have the guts to take responsibility for what
they've made.

> Victor Frankenstein was playing God and his only
> interest was prestige, fame, admiration and power.

Sure, but he was also a coward. The "monster" probably would've
turned out just fine if Victor hadn't've abandoned him just because
he thought the creature was ugly.

Whether that's what Mary Shelley had in mind is another story.

> Our Frankenstein monster might be the nuclear bomb.

Only if we abandon the silos and stop learning to love the bomb.

--
Carl Burke
cbu...@mitre.org

Dennis Clark

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May 20, 2004, 5:41:58 PM5/20/04
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John Casey <kjc...@hotkey.net.au> wrote:

It is most commonly thought that it was a morality play on "hubris".
I think that we have lots of "monsters" running loose these days...

No matter how much things change, they remain the same. Perhaps wisdom
is not something that can mature in mere thousands of years.

DLC

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R. Steve Walz

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May 20, 2004, 6:52:33 PM5/20/04
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John Casey wrote:
>
> Wasn't the author, Mary Shelley, having a go at male
> scientists who have no regard for morality or nature?
-----------------------
No, she was just repressed and needed something long and hard
jammed all the way up her and moved in and out vigorously.


> Victor Frankenstein was playing God and his only
> interest was prestige, fame, admiration and power.

----------------------
He wouldn't fuck her, so she sent her vaginal clit monster
to destroy him for not going "downtown" on her.
The "soul-less" monster concept was 19th century Victorian, strictly.
Totally Fruedian. We see shades of the same in "Forbidden Planet".


> Our Frankenstein monster might be the nuclear bomb.

------------------
No. It was Mary Shelley.
An author can only write about themselves.
It's like dream analysis, everybody in your dream is YOU!
She was afraid she'd explode or have an orgasm.

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Jeff Fox

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May 21, 2004, 3:14:09 AM5/21/04
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"John Casey" <kjc...@hotkey.net.au> wrote in message news:<40ad1eeb$1...@news.iprimus.com.au>...

> Our Frankenstein monster might be the nuclear bomb.

Or military robots.

Tom McEwan

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May 21, 2004, 2:59:35 PM5/21/04
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"R. Steve Walz" <rst...@armory.com> wrote in message
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> John Casey wrote:
> >
> > Wasn't the author, Mary Shelley, having a go at male
> > scientists who have no regard for morality or nature?
> -----------------------
> No, she was just repressed and needed something long and hard
> jammed all the way up her and moved in and out vigorously.

It's just no fun when he makes it this easy. Steve, just how old are you?


Bob Yates

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May 23, 2004, 5:14:53 PM5/23/04
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You seem to be unfamiliar with her life!

pat collin

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Jun 24, 2004, 7:42:53 PM6/24/04
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On 9 Apr 2004 22:51:17 -0700, nathal...@lycos.com (Nathalie Hutt)
wrote:

>Such tasks are made for intelligent women, men have the IQ of a
>caveman and should do the dirty work or play, ´cause they´re just
>children with an adult body.
>

>I predict that all important inventions of the future will be made by
>women, men are obsolete today.


Interesting..........Most women I know can't get over themselves
enough to do anything usefully like invent stuff.

The track record said it all.....

There are more men robot builders than women .

BTW your comment looks childish in itself

Matt Dibb

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Jun 24, 2004, 7:51:42 PM6/24/04
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pat collin wrote:

> BTW your comment looks childish in itself


Yes. Try doing a google search for "nathal...@lycos.com".
Suprising what turns up, eh?


Nice attempt at the troll "Nathalie", looks like you caught a few here
at least.

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Lighthammer

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Jun 25, 2004, 2:28:57 AM6/25/04
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That Time of the Month ?

"Mark Haase" <meh...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> In article <2k17ocF...@uni-berlin.de>, Matt Dibb <ju...@mdibb.net>


> wrote:
>
> > Yes. Try doing a google search for "nathal...@lycos.com".
> > Suprising what turns up, eh?
>

> HAHHAHAHA THAT IS Hilarious!!
>
> I've seen her ridiculous subject lines but never bothered to open until
> I saw a few replies in this thread.
>
> What a whack job lady...
>
> --
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Guillaume

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Jun 25, 2004, 6:03:12 AM6/25/04
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>>I predict that all important inventions of the future will be made by
>>women, men are obsolete today.
>
> Interesting..........Most women I know can't get over themselves
> enough to do anything usefully like invent stuff.

Lol... ok, her claim was pure provocation, but what you just said is
really borderline... insulting, I'd say.

"Most women I know can't get over themselves enough to do anything

useful" ---> I think you might need to check out what's out there...
This claim was as hilarious as hers... ;-)

Dave Hrynkiw

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Jun 27, 2004, 2:31:23 AM6/27/04
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In article <mehaase-40BFBA...@netnews.upenn.edu>,
meh...@earthlink.net says...

>
>
>In article <2k17ocF...@uni-berlin.de>, Matt Dibb <ju...@mdibb.net>
>wrote:
>
>> Yes. Try doing a google search for "nathal...@lycos.com".
>> Suprising what turns up, eh?
>
>HAHHAHAHA THAT IS Hilarious!!
>

That is rather interesting! I got exactly 100 original posts to various
groups from Nathalie regarding "Dumb men". Wonder what set her off?

<http://groups.google.ca/groups?q=nathalie_hutt%40lycos.com+-re:&hl=en&lr
=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&lr=&start=0&sa=N>

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Kevin Gomez

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Jun 28, 2004, 11:21:03 PM6/28/04
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Dave, Is your last name really pronounced "Smith"?

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Dave

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Kevin,

See this

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