Quirk 8 - by no means a dog
Derek Tree
My main gripe is that it's a tad sluggish when scrolling through long
documents. Other than that it's a worthwhile upgrade from 4x and after 2
months of solid use seems pretty robust.
I just thought I'd get that off my chest. Oh, who am I kidding? I just
wanted to upset a few Adobe dwellers!
;-)
Funnily enough I was all set to go for CS4 but after wasting a day
trying to install it on two windows boxes, I gave up in disgust and
threw the software back at the supplier. I've since read that quite a
few folk are none too happy with Adobe's Byzantine installation and
activation 'system.'
Quirk 8, by contrast, installed without a hitch in minutes and was
'activated' before one could say 'General protection fault.'
in any event, Ily 8 and Photoslop 6 are more than good enough for an old
twit like me...so I'm not missing much in not using Adobe's latest and
greatest overpriced offerings.
Toodle pip!!!
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Derek Tree
Michael Powell
I had quite the opposite experience,
No problems at all installing CS4, but the serial number supplied for
Quark 8 wouldn't work, it took about two dozen emails between me and
Quark to finally get a serial number that works.
You do realize Quark also has an activation system which will stop Quark
from working if you dare to change some of your hardware.
Cheers
Mike
Derek Tree
<4a2f8bd6$0$32369$5a62...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>, Michael
Powell <nospam@optima_press.com.au> writes
>Derek Tree wrote:
(snipped a chunk)
>> Quirk 8, by contrast, installed without a hitch in minutes and was
>>'activated' before one could say 'General protection fault.'
>I had quite the opposite experience,
Frankly, that doesn't surprise me. We both got 'lucky' in different
ways, Mike. ;-)
As far as I can tell most software produced in the last few years is
hedged around with more 'security' features than a Mediaeval virgin's
chastity belt. And if the figures found on the Webmagraph are to be
believed, there are now 4x as many illegal copies of Adobe apps
installed on computers as legal ones. Not that that has inspired either
Adobe or Quirk to take a different approach to this problem.
>You do realize Quark also has an activation system which will stop
>Quark from working if you dare to change some of your hardware.
Yep, don't they all? (see above).
If the worst comes to the worst we can always re-install Quirk 4x!
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Derek Tree
William F. Adams (willadams@aol.com)
> If the worst comes to the worst we can always re-install Quirk 4x!
Not and use any of the files you've been working on in Quark 8 ---
it'll only export back to v7.
By contrast a .inx file can be opened by InDesign CS--CS4, leaving out
only v1 and 2.
William
(who has on occasion had to take files all the way through from Quark
7, to 6, to 5 so the could be saved so that they could be opened in
Quark XPress 4)
Derek Tree
<21158eaf-3aaa-4c14...@k19g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
"William F. Adams (will...@aol.com)" <will...@aol.com> writes
Very true, William.
However, in our work, very few jobs are re-purposed, most are created
from scratch. Those that are not all exist as 4.11 documents. Indeed, we
still have 4.11 installed on all our machines and continue to work in it
for those jobs which it suits better than 8.
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Derek Tree
Eric Gill
$@noonehere.com:
> I'm now using it and it's not entirely horrible.
What was that, Del?
I'm having trouble hearing you over the sound of how awesome CS4 is on my
new i7. ;-}
Derek Tree
<eric...@yahoo.com> writes
Jolly good luck to you, Eric. Whatever works. In all seriousness, I
*TRIED* moderately hard, to install CS4 on 2 PC's some time ago and gave
up after a wasted morning. On one machine the CS4 installer did nothing
at all, despite repeated reloads of the installation disk. On the other
the installer started and then hung after 2 hours of displaying a
non-moving progress bar. Neither of these machines are old dogs. Both
have 4GB of RAM and the latest dual-core cpus.
In researching the matter further I came to the conclusion that some
doodad or other was attempting to write to sectors of the disk that the
OS, BIOS, or AV would not permit. Nor was I inclined to follow Adobe's
less than helpful advice to 're-format' the hard disk and 'try again.'
In my workflow the tail does NOT wag the bloody dog!!!
All the best,
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Derek Tree
Eric Gill
> In message <Xns9C29CD02EAB96...@74.209.131.10>, Eric Gill
> <eric...@yahoo.com> writes
>>Derek Tree <derek...@spamnull.co.uk> wrote in news:I+GG2$IHeqLKFwo
>>$@noonehere.com:
>>
>>> I'm now using it and it's not entirely horrible.
>>
>>What was that, Del?
>>
>>I'm having trouble hearing you over the sound of how awesome CS4 is on my
>>new i7. ;-}
>
> Jolly good luck to you, Eric. Whatever works. In all seriousness, I
> *TRIED* moderately hard, to install CS4 on 2 PC's some time ago and gave
> up after a wasted morning. On one machine the CS4 installer did nothing
> at all, despite repeated reloads of the installation disk. On the other
> the installer started and then hung after 2 hours of displaying a
> non-moving progress bar. Neither of these machines are old dogs. Both
> have 4GB of RAM and the latest dual-core cpus.
Adobe's tech help didn't just happen to suggest this, did they?
Lee Oswald Ving
http://www.keptlight.com/index.php?p=383
You probably won't want to go through this, but:
1) You're not alone. I'm not really needling you.
2) It's Adobe's problem, but they aren't mucking with your boot sectors or
critical system files (AFAICT).
Derek Tree
Ving <leeo...@yahoo.com> writes
I hadn't seen that, but I did read several similar tales of woe.
;-)
>1) You're not alone. I'm not really needling you.
I didn't imagine that you were.
>2) It's Adobe's problem, but they aren't mucking with your boot sectors or
>critical system files (AFAICT).
Whatever the true causes, it is clear that something is seriously amiss
when software requires the user to go through so many hoops merely to
install it. I am old enough to remember when software installed in
minutes and did not require such convoluted gymnastics. The good news is
that I saved myself a lot of money in *NOT* buying CS4. So, in a way,
Adobe have done me a favour. ;-)
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Derek Tree
Eric Gill
> In message <Xns9C2B778AD98AC...@74.209.131.10>, Lee
> Oswald Ving <leeo...@yahoo.com> writes
>>Disregard the last. This is what I was looking for:
>>http://www.keptlight.com/index.php?p=383
>
> I hadn't seen that, but I did read several similar tales of woe.
> ;-)
>
>>1) You're not alone. I'm not really needling you.
>
> I didn't imagine that you were.
Hey, that's one of my favorite hobbies.
>>2) It's Adobe's problem, but they aren't mucking with your boot
>>sectors or critical system files (AFAICT).
>
> Whatever the true causes, it is clear that something is seriously
> amiss when software requires the user to go through so many hoops
> merely to install it. I am old enough to remember when software
> installed in minutes and did not require such convoluted gymnastics.
> The good news is that I saved myself a lot of money in *NOT* buying
> CS4. So, in a way, Adobe have done me a favour. ;-)
It's clear (to me, at least) that Adobe didn't send the software out
thinking that would happen. My experience was pretty much just click-
select options-enter key and wait about 30 min (big install - I use most
of Master Suite).
Of course, it's also clear that they haven't responded well to the
problem once it was known to be widespread. There's a very similar
situation going on in the photography world right now (a major wireless
flash trigger company, of which I have a pile of their older, reliable
triggers), and I sure as hell won't spend money on a product that just
doesn't work right. No matter what it's potential.
Good luck with QXP 8+.