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Why all DVD-R/DVD+RW recorders are EIDE and no SCSI versions available ??

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geno_...@softhome.net

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Dec 24, 2001, 7:06:03 AM12/24/01
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I wanted to buy a DVD-R/DVD+RW SCSI recorder but I only found ATAPI/EIDE versions being available.
Why?

Plextor hasn't jumped in the consumer DVD-R market yet but I sincerely I hope they're going to
continue making SCSI drives available.

SerialATA won't be available for another 12 months or more, probably and EIDE it's just what it is,
inferior to SCSI even in its latest ATA/133 flavours.

And because SCSI controllers are far from being dead, I really wonder why Philips, Waitec, Pioneer
and others didn't release SCSI versions of their consumer DVD recorders available ?!


Mike Richter

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Dec 24, 2001, 3:43:08 PM12/24/01
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geno_...@softhome.net wrote:
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> I wanted to buy a DVD-R/DVD+RW SCSI recorder but I only found ATAPI/EIDE versions being available.
> Why?

SCSI has become uninteresting to consumers and seems now relegated to
professional applications. Indeed, the only drive I know of to master
DVD-Video for pressing is SCSI - but it's in the multi-kilobuck price
range.

Mike
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geno_...@softhome.net

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Dec 24, 2001, 7:10:09 PM12/24/01
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Unless you go SCSI you can't install many units on EIDE controllers, and the ones which come with
RAID capabilities are just a joke and can't be compared to real SCSI RAID controllers. Also, the
EIDE specs allow for only 4 units on 2 channels and any controllers extending those specs always
resulted in compatibility issues of some kind.

Until SerialATA becomes a reality there's no real option to SCSI.
I'm personally using EIDE for HDUs only because they're cheaper and really fast nowadays (although
CPU utilization is still higher but that's something that SerialATA is probably going to fix).

jeepers94

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Dec 27, 2001, 3:23:13 PM12/27/01
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In this group,as in the dvd groups,you keeo touting scsi and the ultimate
demise of the eide standard.You go on and on about serial ata.I think you
should come out of your hole and see,EIDE is the standard.Serial ATA has
not been released.It may become the standard,but not in the 1 year you keep
saying.It will take many years.Until then,either pay the big bucks for pro
scsi burners,or realize EIDE is the STANDARD!Also,WHY do you buy the
inferior eide hard drives?If you want scsi to survive,you have to show
your support for it!!!!
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geno_...@softhome.net

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Dec 27, 2001, 8:13:21 PM12/27/01
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Being an IDE fanatics like you it's a nonsense.

I buy EIDE HDUs because they're cheaper and I don't need the speed of 10K/15K rpm LVD SCSI drives.
But I want to be able to choose SCSI for adding even 15 optical drives and or backup units (DAT/JAZ
and so on) in my system if I want to.
That's just something impossible to achieve with EIDE controllers.

And SerialATA is going to be the standard in just 1-2 years. EIDE will get replaced sooner than what
you can expect. That's a good reason to not waste big bucks on a dead standard.

On the other hand, SCSI is not going to die. Simply because there's nothing better on the horizon,
yet. SerialATA won't be able to compete with SCSI320 and future standards anyway, especially in the
server market.

Paying big bucks for pro scsi burners it's another nonsense unless you're a producer that needs to
make your products with CSS/RCE and such !

jeepers94

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Dec 28, 2001, 1:17:58 AM12/28/01
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Yep,EIDE is dead! ha ha ha! SerialATA has not even been proved a viable
interface as of yet! How about you reading up on what you spew!
As for my being an EIDE fanatic,I have 6 systems.Four are eide,but 2 are
FULL SCSI! That includes the hard drives and cdrw drive! I will bet I have
been using both scsi and ide drives longer than you! I built my first
computer in 1972,probably before YOU were even born!
I have seen floppy drives go from 8" to 5.25" to 3.5".My first hard drive
was a huge 5 mb.I have built several hundred systems.I know all standards
change!I will bet any amount you want to bet,and put it in escrow,that your
serial ATA will not supplant EIDE in 3 years,let alone 1-2 you predict!
I have read up on this standard you seem so facinated with,and I have not
seen any reports of it being ready in that time.The only time-line I have
seen is it will be about 2005,before it will be offered by most motherboard
manufacturers!I remember 5 years,or so,ago that FIREWIRE was going to be the
standard by the year 2000.Well I use it,but only for video editing!
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jeepers94

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Dec 28, 2001, 1:57:20 AM12/28/01
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I guess I should make it a little more clear.I DO think SerialATA will
prove itself,and with time push out the eide standard.The big thing is,
most people are not going to rush out and buy a new system,or replace
their drives just because it is a little faster.To use the new drives,you
would need a new controller.The first drives will NOT be more than about
10% faster.Yes as new systems are bought,it will be a lot more common.
It took several years for the change over from ide to eide.I don't think it
will be any faster for this change!I still say 3 to 5 years!Yes I know,I
will
probably have a system before that,but I like a lot of you,try to stay ahead
of the pack.
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