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Barry Finkel  
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 More options Sep 1 2004, 5:36 pm
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.dns.bind
From: Barry Finkel <b19...@achilles.ctd.anl.gov>
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 16:36:27 -0500 (CDT)
Local: Wed, Sep 1 2004 5:36 pm
Subject: Strange MX Record for altavista.com
There is a mail system here that has mail queued for altavista.com.
dig reports:

atalanta% dig altavista.com mx

     ; <<>> DiG 8.3 <<>> altavista.com mx
     ;; res options: init recurs defnam dnsrch
     ;; got answer:
     ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 4
     ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 5, ADDITIONAL: 0
     ;; QUERY SECTION:
     ;;      altavista.com, type = MX, class = IN

     ;; ANSWER SECTION:
     altavista.com.          10M IN MX       0 .

     ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
     altavista.com.          10M IN NS       ns4.yahoo.com.
     altavista.com.          10M IN NS       ns5.yahoo.com.
     altavista.com.          10M IN NS       ns1.yahoo.com.
     altavista.com.          10M IN NS       ns2.yahoo.com.
     altavista.com.          10M IN NS       ns3.yahoo.com.

     ;; Total query time: 65 msec
     ;; FROM: atalanta.ctd.anl.gov to SERVER: default -- 146.137.64.5
     ;; WHEN: Wed Sep  1 16:27:21 2004
     ;; MSG SIZE  sent: 31  rcvd: 142

     atalanta%

That is a strange MX record.  When that mail system (MX Exchange)
tries to send the mail, it opens an SMTP port 25 connection to one of
my DNS servers.  Is this what is supposed to happen?  Thanks.
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Mark Andrews  
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 More options Sep 1 2004, 5:56 pm
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From: Mark Andrews <Mark_Andr...@isc.org>
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 07:56:44 +1000
Local: Wed, Sep 1 2004 5:56 pm
Subject: Re: Strange MX Record for altavista.com

        It's an attempt to say "don't sent mail to the domain
        altavista.com."  It's a pity it is not been codified
        AFAIK.

        I would be teaching my MTA to treat a MX record like
        this as a indication to just bounce the mail.

        Mark
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Three Letter Acronym  
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 More options Sep 1 2004, 7:33 pm
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.dns.bind
From: Three Letter Acronym <t...@spiderchain.com>
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 16:33:43 -0700
Local: Wed, Sep 1 2004 7:33 pm
Subject: Re: Strange MX Record for altavista.com

[snip]

>>That is a strange MX record.  When that mail system (MX Exchange)
>>tries to send the mail, it opens an SMTP port 25 connection to one of
>>my DNS servers.  Is this what is supposed to happen?  Thanks.

[snip]

>    It's an attempt to say "don't sent mail to the domain
>    altavista.com."  It's a pity it is not been codified
>    AFAIK.

>    I would be teaching my MTA to treat a MX record like
>    this as a indication to just bounce the mail.

Note that altavista.com uses SPF to declare that they don't send any
mail either...

                --eli

dart@laptop ~ >> dig txt altavista.com

; <<>> DiG 9.2.3 <<>> txt altavista.com
;; global options:  printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 54292
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 4, AUTHORITY: 5, ADDITIONAL: 0

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;altavista.com.                 IN      TXT

;; ANSWER SECTION:
altavista.com.          587     IN      TXT     "Null SPF is for
tracking purposes only"
altavista.com.          587     IN      TXT     "All mail claiming to be
from altavista.com is forged"
altavista.com.          587     IN      TXT     "v=spf1
+exists:CL.%{i}.FR.%{s}.HE.%{h}.null.spf.altavista.com -all"
altavista.com.          587     IN      TXT     "This domain sends no email"


 
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Christian Smith  
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 More options Sep 1 2004, 7:14 pm
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.dns.bind
From: Christian Smith <n...@i.am.invalid>
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 23:14:16 GMT
Local: Wed, Sep 1 2004 7:14 pm
Subject: Re: Strange MX Record for altavista.com
In article <ch5fte$14e...@sf1.isc.org>,
 Barry Finkel <b19...@achilles.ctd.anl.gov> wrote:

> That is a strange MX record.  When that mail system (MX Exchange)
> tries to send the mail, it opens an SMTP port 25 connection to one of
> my DNS servers.  Is this what is supposed to happen?  Thanks.

Well, that MX record is pretty much busted. The mail server -should-
probably just barf and refuse to deliver the message, but some other
behavior is not too unexpected.

Looks like Yahoo pouched the MX record for altavista.com.


 
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Barry Margolin  
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 More options Sep 1 2004, 11:14 pm
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.dns.bind
From: Barry Margolin <bar...@alum.mit.edu>
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 23:14:32 -0400
Local: Wed, Sep 1 2004 11:14 pm
Subject: Re: Strange MX Record for altavista.com
In article <ch5mlr$1io...@sf1.isc.org>,
 Christian Smith <n...@i.am.invalid> wrote:

> In article <ch5fte$14e...@sf1.isc.org>,
>  Barry Finkel <b19...@achilles.ctd.anl.gov> wrote:

> > That is a strange MX record.  When that mail system (MX Exchange)
> > tries to send the mail, it opens an SMTP port 25 connection to one of
> > my DNS servers.  Is this what is supposed to happen?  Thanks.

> Well, that MX record is pretty much busted. The mail server -should-
> probably just barf and refuse to deliver the message, but some other
> behavior is not too unexpected.

There's no reason for any special-casing.  The mailer should try to look
up an A record for "." (the root domain).  Since there is no such
record, it should handle it just like any other MX record that points to
a name without an A record -- log a complaint and bounce the mail.

--
Barry Margolin, bar...@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
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Francis Dupont  
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 More options Sep 2 2004, 4:56 am
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.dns.bind
From: Francis Dupont <Francis.Dup...@enst-bretagne.fr>
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 10:56:41 +0200
Local: Thurs, Sep 2 2004 4:56 am
Subject: Re: Strange MX Record for altavista.com
 In your previous mail you wrote:

   >      ;; ANSWER SECTION:
   >      altavista.com.          10M IN MX       0 .

        It's an attempt to say "don't sent mail to the domain
        altavista.com."  It's a pity it is not been codified
        AFAIK.

        I would be teaching my MTA to treat a MX record like
        this as a indication to just bounce the mail.

=> perhaps it is time to reconsider RFC 1846 which provides a cleaner
way to bounce any mail?

Regards

Francis.Dup...@enst-bretagne.fr

PS: it is an operational issue so in the scope of DNSOP WG.


 
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Chris Stone  
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 More options Sep 2 2004, 1:44 pm
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.dns.bind
From: "Chris Stone" <cst...@axint.net>
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 11:44:39 -0600
Local: Thurs, Sep 2 2004 1:44 pm
Subject: RE: Strange MX Record for altavista.com
From rfc-ignorant.org
(http://www.rfc-ignorant.org/tools/lookup.php?domain=altavista.com) lookup:

Current Results for altavista.com lookup

blacklist_zone  domain          status  Submitted
Added                   Rejected        Removed
Postmaster              altavista.com   Listed  Apr 1, 2004 21:24 EST   Apr
2, 2004 1:51 EST        Never   Never
dsn                     altavista.com   Listed  Feb 29, 2004 19:26 EST  Mar
1, 2004 4:19 EST        Never   Never
abuse           altavista.com   Listed  Jan 21, 2002 23:54 EST  Jan 23, 2002
21:28 EST       Never   Never
bogusmx                 altavista.com   Listed  Mar 25, 2004 17:47 EST  Mar
25, 2004 17:47 EST      Never   Never


 
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