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difference b/w slice thickness & spacing

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dave parsons

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Aug 7, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/7/00
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Had a question about dicom tags (0018, 0050) Slice thickness and (0018,
0088) Spacing between slices...

Considering that no one here (that is not on vacation) understands this
thing, what does nominal slice thickness mean? The current idea is that
is that the slice thickness is the distance the scanner travels when
taking an image for the series. & that the other, spacing, is the
distance between the images in a series.

Is this understanding correct?

Were trying to change our viewpoint of the series, so that a series is
viewed from a different direction; then as an example, if the series is
originally a sagittal view, then after a "rotate," we see a coronal
view.

do we actually need to worry about changing either of these tags? Are
they machine specific? Are they, instead, not applicable?

Thanks

dee csipo

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Aug 8, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/8/00
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Hi,

The thickness of the slice is the actual width of the collimated detector
space that was used to acquire the image for e.g. 3 mm, the spacing between
slices is the distance between the center of the slices lets say 10 mm
leaving 7 mm of empty space.

dee
;-D

David Clunie

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Aug 9, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/9/00
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Hi Dave

I agree that (0018,0088) Spacing Between Slices, used in the MR & NM
images (but not in CT images, unless one is extending the SOP
Class) is the distance between the centers of the slices (and
most definitely not between the edges of the slices, i.e. it is
not the gap as some buggy implementations have sent in the past).

However I do not agree that (0018,0050) Slice Thickness, which
occurs in the image plane module and is used in both CT and MR,
is necessarily related to collimation. It is defined only as
"nominal slice thickness".

In the case of helical CT for example, the reconstructed slice
thickness is not necessarily directly related to the collimation
of the X-ray beam. Same applies to multi-planar reconstructions.
It is clearly more appropriate to send the reconstructed thickness
of the slice in these cases than the collimator aperture. They may
be the same, but not always.

The same attribute used in MR also obviously needs to be the
reconstructed thickness, since there is no other thickness to
send.

Finally, depending on (0018,0088) Spacing Between Slices is not
a good idea, since it isn't sent for CT normally, and it isn't
always right in MR images, and it is always wrong when one is
changing spacing on the fly, e.g. going from 10 to 5mm spacing
and back again, what spacing to use for the boundary slices ?

It is always better to compute the distance between a pair of
slices along a normal to the plane of the image specified by
the Image Orientation (Patient) attribute, by projecting the
top left hand corner position specified by the Image Position
(Patient) attribute onto that normal. These attributes are
always sent and much more often "right" than is (0018,0088).

Also, never use Slice Location (0020,1041) for this purpose ...
it is purely descriptive and often empty, wrong or useless
for anything other than trying to reproduce a manufacturer's
native annotation on the display or film.

What you describe sounds like doing an MPR, in which case you
should recompute the two parameters based on whatever the
thickness and spacing of your reconstructions are, and not
just reuse the original parameters.

david

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Mathieu Malaterre

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Jul 18, 2023, 10:02:59 AM7/18/23
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On Wednesday, August 9, 2000 at 9:00:00 AM UTC+2, David Clunie wrote:
> Hi Dave
> I agree that (0018,0088) Spacing Between Slices, used in the MR & NM
> images (but not in CT images, unless one is extending the SOP
> Class) [...]

No need to extend SOP Class since CP-2061 (Spacing Between Slices is in Image Plane Module).
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