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From: Programmer Dude <Ch...@Sonnack.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:13:15 -0600
Local: Mon, Jan 24 2005 6:13 pm
Subject: Re: Admire the rentacoder.com
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From: "Sergey I.Grachyov" <grach...@infopro.spb.su>
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 00:28:34 +0300
Local: Mon, Jan 24 2005 4:28 pm
Subject: Re: Admire the rentacoder.com
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From: Randy Howard <randyhow...@FOOverizonBAR.net>
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:10:01 GMT
Local: Mon, Jan 24 2005 4:10 pm
Subject: Re: Admire the rentacoder.com
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From: "Sergey I.Grachyov" <grach...@infopro.spb.su>
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 01:34:31 +0300
Local: Mon, Jan 24 2005 5:34 pm
Subject: Re: Admire the rentacoder.com
>>> I am not morally opposed to them at all. And I assure you it Do you want to place your bid? :-) >>> is not a matter of 'can't compete'. It's a matter of not >>> wanting to compete on price. >> Not in price. Many factors. > Highly likely. There some $1000+ projects every week. Ah, I forget: You have many sofisticated reasons to stay away from RentACoder. So, not "Highly likely", but "impossible" :-( >>>>> Those of us with a conscience feel obliged to record our 1. Obvious: There are many failed projects. >>>>> failures on our CV, as well as our successes. >>>> According google - there are no failures. >>> You are incredibly naive if you really think that way. >> You and Mr.infobahn are incredibly naive. No one will outline his > I was referring to the obviously false statement which you made, that is 2. According to Mr.infoban: programmers "obliged to record our failures on our CV" 3. I can't find these resumes via google 4. My conclusion(sarcasm): "No one is responsible for failed projects." > Anyone that thinks their programming is "perfect"... You can't follow me? I wish you to update your skills. >> My buyers rates me as expert as well. May be even auto mechanic can't recommend to use any of your skills. > Well, if an auto mechanic recommended someone as the world's best Beside your "skill" to degrade my achievements. > You might as well claim that your mother loves your code. It's equally May be your mother dislike my completed projects too. > useful. I will use RentACoder again and again. But my current and feature buyers doesn't know anything about hers opinion. >>> Successful programming projects don't have or need an arbitrage This warning should be recorded. Via on-site message. >>> process. >> Yes, but no one can predict: is current project success or not. > You can at least get some advance warning and stop a problem before it Just voice message isn't enough. >> Also - I act according RAC's rules: Examples: >> "If you are working with the other party and simply communicating offsite, >> then you are unnecessarily putting yourself into a dangerous position". > You don't suppose they tell you that to make sure they get their cut do 1. You post request for bids: "I need product. With features ABC and XYZ and ..." 2. I win auction and start coding. 3. You phone me: "Update. You can exclude feature ABC from final product. I need feature CCC instead of ABC" 4. OK. Update done. 5. I complete my work and report "Done." 6. You are complain: "I post request for bids. I outline feature ABC. Where is it???" 7. Arbitration begin. Since we have off-site communication via phone - RAC's staff can't verify what you say to me via phone. There are many other variants. I have been involved into arbitration 13 times. -- You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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Newsgroups: comp.programming
From: Randy Howard <randyhow...@FOOverizonBAR.net>
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:49:57 GMT
Local: Mon, Jan 24 2005 5:49 pm
Subject: Re: Admire the rentacoder.com
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Newsgroups: comp.programming
From: infobahn <infob...@btinternet.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 02:16:26 +0000 (UTC)
Local: Mon, Jan 24 2005 9:16 pm
Subject: Re: Admire the rentacoder.com
Sergey I.Grachyov wrote: If such projects take more than, say, three days to code, test, > Do you want to place your bid? :-) > There some $1000+ projects every week. and UAT, then it's probably not worth a professional programmer's time to do them. > Ah, I forget: You have many sofisticated reasons to stay away from Yes. RentACoder encourages cheap, shoddy programming for users > RentACoder. too unsophisticated to know when they're being ripped off. > 1. Obvious: There are many failed projects. I note your lack of attention to detail twice in this item. > 2. According to Mr.infoban: programmers "obliged to record our failures on > our CV" I will skip over the inappropriate use of "Mr." in conjunction with an obvious nickname, since that could simply be a translation issue. But your misspelling of that nickname indicates that you can't be bothered to get people's names right. If I were your customer, that would seriously annoy me, to the point where I might just call off the deal, even if I were naive enough to have hired you in the process. Secondly, you have placed a direct quotation out of context to convey a false impression. What I actually said was: "Those of us with a conscience feel obliged to record our failures on our CV, as well as our successes." Note that not all programmers have consciences. > 3. I can't find these resumes via google Two problems here. Firstly, your ability (or otherwise) to use a search engine is unrelated to programmers' CV honesty. Secondly, the item shows a worrying tendency to believe that something only exists if it's on Google. My CV is /not/ on Google. It's on my hard disk. You can search Google all you like, but you won't find it. > 4. My conclusion(sarcasm): "No one is responsible for failed projects." False premises lead to false conclusions. >>Anyone that thinks their programming is "perfect"... A programmer who believes he is perfect is merely blind to > You can't follow me? his imperfections. > I wish you to update your skills. All good programmers seek to be educated continually. >>>My buyers rates me as expert as well. You appear to have missed the point. >>Well, if an auto mechanic recommended someone as the world's best > May be even auto mechanic can't recommend to use any of your skills. > Beside your "skill" to degrade my achievements. But the only evidence we have so far about your "achievements" is that you've hacked out hundreds of quickie programs and flogged them cheap. Any idiot can do that. Where's the achievement there? >>You might as well claim that your mother loves your code. It's equally That's not the point. The point is whether a professional >>useful. > May be your mother dislike my completed projects too. programmer would consider your work to be competent. > I will use RentACoder again and again. Fabulous. I wish you every success. The sucker market is clearly booming. > But my current and feature buyers doesn't know anything about hers opinion. Nor do they have the skills to assess whether a program is good or bad. (BTW I think he means "future", not "feature". English >>>Yes, but no one can predict: is current project success or not. Generally a walk through the office is sufficient. If you >>You can at least get some advance warning and stop a problem before it > This warning should be recorded. Via on-site message. have good people, they'll generally let you know when there is a problem. >>How could it be dangerous to send an email, fax or make a phone "Fine. Please let me have the change request in writing over >>call to someone without going through their website other than that? >>Never mind, I don't really care one way or the other about their rules. > Examples: your signature, so that I can be sure that the change is authorised." Standard practice. > 4. OK. Update done. Nor can you. Hence the importance for proper tracking of > 5. I complete my work and report "Done." > 6. You are complain: "I post request for bids. I outline feature ABC. Where > is it???" > 7. Arbitration begin. Since we have off-site communication via phone - > RAC's staff can't verify what you say to me via phone. change requests. This is SOP in professional organisations. You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: "gooch" <gooch...@comcast.net>
Date: 25 Jan 2005 06:13:34 -0800
Local: Tues, Jan 25 2005 9:13 am
Subject: Re: Admire the rentacoder.com
I think you are just missing the entire point Sergey. The first point I
think is being made is that if any reputable software organization operated as RAC does they would not remain in business very long. Secondly, just because you can find someone to pay a small fee for a steming pile of dog crap does not make it a gormet meal. I do not know what kind of training you have but it obviously was not The fact that you do not want to talk to your client is disturbing Finally you claim to bid your projects based on a $10 an hour value. Do I I think RAC is a good fit for you because judging by your rants here You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: spinoza1...@yahoo.com
Date: 19 Jan 2005 18:41:35 -0800
Local: Wed, Jan 19 2005 9:41 pm
Subject: Re: Beware the rentacoder.com
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