HP OfficeJet 145 Black/color ink old. 8 days to expire. Printing will stop.
Orak Listalavostok
Black ink old. Color ink old.
8 days to expire. 8 days to expire.
Printing will stop. Printing will stop.
Press enter to continue. Press enter to continue.
This is an HP lie.
The ink isn't old. I replaced it just last week. Actually, since a
5-year supply of ink (for me) costs less than 20 bucks in bulk at
costco, I've been re-filling the four HP OJ 145 ink tanks (some call
them cartridges but the jets are separate) successfully since January
of 2003. Once a quarter or so, I refill the ink tanks with a few drops
of ink, always keeping the sponges wet and turning off the Hewlett
Packard paper-counting checks which HP uses as a lousy substitute for
ink level checking.
Questions for printer experts:
Q1: How do I bypass this "8 days to expire" HP ink tank setting?
Q2: Is an HP ink tank really timed to shut down in 18 months?
Q3: Do I just replace the tanks or do I have to replace the jets?
Please help,
Orak Listalavostok
Shawn Hearn
orakl...@yahoo.com (Orak Listalavostok) wrote:
Try posting your question on a printer newsgroup
Travis Jordan
HP isn't lying. The printer cannot use an expired ink cartridge. I
don't know of any software hacks or tools that will let you get around
it.
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=9220
HP will give their customers all kinds of technical reasons why they
designed their printer this way, but in the end it was a marketing
decision to put this 'feature' in the product. Product feature
decisions are ALWAYS made by marketing.
Welcome to the brave new world of software-controlled obsolence.
Demonstrate your support for this concept with your feet. If you buy
another vendor's product be sure to send your old HP printer with a love
noe back to Carly Fiorina's personal attention.
Bob Parnass
> HP isn't lying. The printer cannot use an expired ink cartridge. ...
> Welcome to the brave new world of software-controlled obsolence.
> Demonstrate your support for this concept with your feet...
Amen. I found out about Hewlett-Packard's built-in ink cart
obsolence *after* buying a $1000+ HP 2500c color ink jet printer.
I bought a different brand of printer the next time because
of this and won't be buying HP printers again unless their
policy changes.
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Bob Parnass, AJ9S GNU/Linux User http://parnass.com
Margaret Vonet
> Orak Listalavostok wrote:
> > My HP OfficeJet d145 all-in-one printer suddenly reports:
> > Black ink old. Color ink old.
>
> don't know of any software hacks or tools that will let you get around
> it. http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=9220
While the cartridge may be expired the ink apparently is not old.
The ink according to the poster, is actually new ink (for that tank anyway).
Only the tank is what is old (print heads are separate in an HP OJ d145).
The interesting link you posted picqued my interest. Specifically the
line that says "that has led to the discovery that the only fix for
this cunning [HP lie about the ink being old] is to ... set systems to
dates in the past."
Does anyone know if setting the printer date to the past will solve the
users' problem? Is it easy or hard to set the printer date back a year?
---
Maggie
Orak Listalavostok
Great article!
Given that, I think we can finally figure out how to use so-called
soon-to-expire HP ink cartridges past this fake 8-day expiration date.
First, the HP printer ink level is NEVER monitored by HP.
This link http://www.valueshop.co.uk/printer-ink-links.asp
kindly sent to me by a helpful reader clearly says so:
"The [smart] chip [embedded in each HP printer cartridge] doesn't
indicate the amount of ink left in the cartridge ... but stops
[the HP printer] after a number of print runs, even if there is
[plenty of] ink available"
From your article, it appears there are three dates of concern:
"... the date printed on the ink cartridge is not the expiry
date [which] is determined either by a cartridge being in the
HP printer for 30 months, or the cartridge is 4.5 years old,
whichever comes first. The date on the cartridge, which you'd
every reason to think was the expiry date if you didn't know,
is 2.5 years after it was manufactured."
Therefore, the 3 Hewlett Packard ink cartridge dates appear to be:
- The date the cartridge was manufactured
(+ 2.5 years = printed date).
- The date the cartridge expires
(death occurs on the printed date + 2 years)
- The length of time the cartridge is in the printer
(2.5 years maximum)
Given the date printed on my HP c5010a tri-color ink cartridge is:
- 2004/06/10
(deriving an HP ink cartridge manufacture date of 2001/12/10)
And the date printed on my HP c5011a black ink cartridge is:
- 2004/04/29
(deriving an HP ink cartridge manufacture date of 2001/10/29)
This would seem to indicate the true HP ink expiration date is:
- 2006/06/10
(HP c5010a tri-color ink cartridge true expiration date)
- 2006/04/29
(HP c5011a black ink cartridge true expiration date)
Hmmmm .... so my HP ink cartridges are NOT expiring after all!
Then why do I see officejet d145 "Black ink old. 8 days to expire"
& HP OJ d145 "Color ink old. 8 days to expire" error messages?
Hewlett Packard all-in-one officejet warning messages?
Assuming the true HP ink cartridge expiration date is two years
hence, the HP OfficeJet d145 must be calculating the 30 months
in service expiration date instead. Now the HP error messages
begin to make sense.
Given I was presented with the HP OJ d145 printer as a birthday
gift from my lab mates in January of 2002, we calculate:
- 2002/01/14
(the 30 months in-service HP expiration date is then 2004/07/14)
That is, the 30-month contigious service date is what the HP
office-jet d145 printer must be complaining about!
So it's NOT the printer cartridge which is expiring; it's the
HP 30-months continuous service barrier which is hurting me.
I still have until 2006 for the HP ink cartridges to expire.
How can I recover the two years I am entitled for these cartridges?
Someone kindly emailed me this link which describes HP ink
rotation steps:
http://www.alotofthings.com/supportforrefillers/resettingthehpC5010A5011A.html
"Since Hewlett Packard multifunction printers only retain the
information of the last two cartridges, you can alternatively
swap cartridges in and out. This of course requires that you
have a total of three HP ink cartridges that are not date expired."
So, one possibility, if I can find them, is to borrow from a friend
two HP ink cartridges (HP c5011a & hp C5010a) and simply rotate them.
This, based on the information you kindly provided me, might overcome
the bug in the HP OfficeJet d145 all-in-one printer setup which
prevents an ink cartridge from being in service for more than 30
consecutive months.
Do HP printing experts have any other suggestions to overcome
HP OfficeJet d145 printer ink cartridge expiration messages?
Orak Listalavostok
Orak Listalavostok
Bob Headrick
"Orak Listalavostok" <orakl...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:44d113e9.04070...@posting.google.com...
> First, the HP printer ink level is NEVER monitored by HP.
> This link http://www.valueshop.co.uk/printer-ink-links.asp
> kindly sent to me by a helpful reader clearly says so:
> "The [smart] chip [embedded in each HP printer cartridge] doesn't
> indicate the amount of ink left in the cartridge ... but stops
> [the HP printer] after a number of print runs, even if there is
> [plenty of] ink available"
There is a misunderstanding here. The printer does not stop after a number of
prints or pages, it counts the individual drops fired. Based on the amount of
ink put in the supply and the individual drop size the printer can calculate
how much ink is left. There is some margin to keep the supply from running out
and introducing air into the printhead. Allowing the printhead to run dry
would result in damage to the printhead.
The expiration is the *earlier* of 30 months from date of insertion into the
printer or 4.5 years from date of manufacture. The ink supplies are cheap
compared to the printheads, and the expiration is enforced to protect the
printhead.
> Assuming the true HP ink cartridge expiration date is two years
> hence, the HP OfficeJet d145 must be calculating the 30 months
> in service expiration date instead. Now the HP error messages
> begin to make sense.
>
> Given I was presented with the HP OJ d145 printer as a birthday
> gift from my lab mates in January of 2002, we calculate:
> - 2002/01/14
> (the 30 months in-service HP expiration date is then 2004/07/14)
>
> That is, the 30-month contigious service date is what the HP
> office-jet d145 printer must be complaining about!
>
> So it's NOT the printer cartridge which is expiring; it's the
> HP 30-months continuous service barrier which is hurting me.
> I still have until 2006 for the HP ink cartridges to expire.
>
> How can I recover the two years I am entitled for these cartridges?
The printer is designed to allow an ink cartrdige to be in the printer for 2.5
years. There is not an "entitlement". Once the seal of the supply has been
broken and the supply installed in the printer you have 30 months to use up the
cartrdige. Over time normal vapro losses will cause the ink to thicken and
become less suitable. Once again, the printer limits the allowable age of ink
supplies to avoid damage to the semi-permanent printheads.
> Someone kindly emailed me this link which describes HP ink
> rotation steps:
>
http://www.alotofthings.com/supportforrefillers/resettingthehpC5010A5011A.html
> "Since Hewlett Packard multifunction printers only retain the
> information of the last two cartridges, you can alternatively
> swap cartridges in and out. This of course requires that you
> have a total of three HP ink cartridges that are not date expired."
This applies to the low on ink indicator in the printers with integrated
cartridges containing both the ink supply and printhead. In these pritners the
toolbox and printer will indicate a low on ink condition but will not stop
printing, since there is not an external printhead to protect there is no need
for the pritner to limit printing in this case.
> Do HP printing experts have any other suggestions to overcome
> HP OfficeJet d145 printer ink cartridge expiration messages?
Put a fresh ink supply in the printer....
The HP printers with separate ink and printheads are designed for relatively
heavy usage home users or small office applications. If you do not print much
you should probably get a different printer. The PSC 2210 or 2410 or Officejet
6110 may be a better fit for your needs.
Regards,
Bob Headrick, not speaking for my employer HP
The Real Bev
>
> "Orak Listalavostok" <orakl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Do HP printing experts have any other suggestions to overcome
> > HP OfficeJet d145 printer ink cartridge expiration messages?
>
> Put a fresh ink supply in the printer....
I think the intent was to avoid doing that when there's clearly ink in
the cartridge.
> The HP printers with separate ink and printheads are designed for relatively
> heavy usage home users or small office applications. If you do not print much
> you should probably get a different printer. The PSC 2210 or 2410 or Officejet
> 6110 may be a better fit for your needs.
>
> Regards,
> Bob Headrick, not speaking for my employer HP
Is the cartridge expiration a windows thing? What happens if you're
running linux?
I'm pretty pissed about the 2 HP printers my mom (win 98) has had -- the
last one started printing purple 3/4" color bands at random times and
now prints all photos with a purple cast, although text printing in b+w
and colors comes out fine. She's printed 1500 pages, which sure doesn't
seem like a proper lifetime for a printer.
--
Cheers,
Bev
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"We need to cut more slack for the stupid; after all, somebody has
to populate the lower part of the bell curve." -- Dennis (evil)
Orak Listalavostok
> Does anyone know if setting the printer date to the past will solve the
> users' problem? Is it easy or hard to set the printer date back a year?
I do not know how to change the date in an HP officejet d145 printer.
iskowitzsa
Thanks Bob for a thorough explanation of the expiration dates. I at
least understand the purpose of the expiration dates on cartridges and
printers with the built in print heads. makes too me. That helps
explain a few things to me. I appreciate your Relpy. Stu
Bob Headrick
"iskowitzsa" <i.sko...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Y6AHc.1775$ju1....@nwrddc04.gnilink.net...
> Thanks Bob for a thorough explanation of the expiration dates. I at
> least understand the purpose of the expiration dates on cartridges and
> printers with the built in print heads. makes too me. That helps
> explain a few things to me. I appreciate your Relpy. Stu
You are welcome. I may not have made things clear for the case of the
cartridges with built-in printheads. These cartridges have an "install by"
date printhead on the package and a "warranty date" printed on the cartridge
body. The integrated print cartridges do not have an expiration date and the
printer will not stop printing because it thinks the cartridges are tool old or
too empty.
Regards,
Bob Headrick, not speaking for my employer HP
MS MVP Printing/Imaging
Bob Headrick
"The Real Bev" <bas...@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:40EE35B4...@myrealbox.com...
> I'm pretty pissed about the 2 HP printers my mom (win 98) has had -- the
> last one started printing purple 3/4" color bands at random times and
> now prints all photos with a purple cast, although text printing in b+w
> and colors comes out fine. She's printed 1500 pages, which sure doesn't
> seem like a proper lifetime for a printer.
It sounds like she has a cartridge that is running out of yellow. Text is a
very low duty cycle of printing compared to photo printing. A cartridge that
still ahs a bit of yellow ink left could print colored text OK but fail to
deliver enough yellow when trying to print graphics.
What is the mode of the printer? Most likely a fresh color cartridge would
solve the problem.
Regards,
Bob Headrick, not speaking for my employer HP
MS MVP Printing/Imaging
The Real Bev
>
> "The Real Bev" <bas...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm pretty pissed about the 2 HP printers my mom (win 98) has had -- the
> > last one started printing purple 3/4" color bands at random times and
> > now prints all photos with a purple cast, although text printing in b+w
> > and colors comes out fine. She's printed 1500 pages, which sure doesn't
> > seem like a proper lifetime for a printer.
>
> It sounds like she has a cartridge that is running out of yellow. Text is a
> very low duty cycle of printing compared to photo printing. A cartridge that
> still ahs a bit of yellow ink left could print colored text OK but fail to
> deliver enough yellow when trying to print graphics.
It's an 882C. When printing a photo it chugs along properly for 3" and
then prints a 3/4" band of photograph with a distinct purple cast. Then
it goes along properly for another few inches (these distances are
pretty much random) and then prints another 3/4" band. Sometimes it
will print a whole photo properly, sometimes with one band, sometimes
with two or three. Occasionally it will print an entire page with one
of the rows of dots lagging behind, which really looks cheesy. This may
have stopped when the cartridges were replaced last time, but perhaps
not.
A third failure mode: consider a photo of a flat wall lit from one
end. The wall will shade evenly from light to dark across the picture,
right? That's what happens most of the time. Every once in a while,
such a picture will exhibit stair-stepped blocks of color, as if the
resolution were suddenly cut to 1/4 or 1/8 the proper value. Especially
annoying when it's a person's face instead of a smooth wall or the sky.
A second attempt at printing the same picture may or may not print
properly. Likewise with the purple banding. All intermittent.
> What is the mode of the printer? Most likely a fresh color cartridge would
> solve the problem.
This happened both before and after replacing the cartridges. I doubt
if the new one (third set of cartridges, possibly) has printed more than
100 pages. Went through the test process, cleaned the print surfaces
with a damp Q-tip per instructions. No difference.
What do you mean 'mode'? If you mean draft/ordinary/high-res, she
prints 'ordinary' because 'high-res' takes longer but makes no
difference discernible under 10x magnification.
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Cheers,
Bev
*****************************************
"Don't force it, use a bigger hammer!"
--M. Irving
Anthony Matonak
...
> A third failure mode: consider a photo of a flat wall lit from one
> end. The wall will shade evenly from light to dark across the picture,
> right? That's what happens most of the time. Every once in a while,
> such a picture will exhibit stair-stepped blocks of color, as if the
> resolution were suddenly cut to 1/4 or 1/8 the proper value. Especially
> annoying when it's a person's face instead of a smooth wall or the sky.
> A second attempt at printing the same picture may or may not print
> properly. Likewise with the purple banding. All intermittent.
It's called posterization. It happens when you decrease the number of
colors. Sounds like time to write the printer off as a lost cause and
find something that works reliably.
Anthony
The Real Bev
What really bothers me is that HP is supposed to be the gold standard.
This printer was $300 or so when she bought it a couple of years ago.
Everybody is always happy with HP and says they're reliable. So how
come she got so unlucky? The previous one just stopped working a few
months out of warranty.
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Cheers,
Bev
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Steve J
<bas...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
>What really bothers me is that HP is supposed to be the gold standard.
>This printer was $300 or so when she bought it a couple of years ago.
>Everybody is always happy with HP and says they're reliable. So how
>come she got so unlucky? The previous one just stopped working a few
>months out of warranty.
Sometimes you get a 'dog' as it were. Perfectly good manufacturers
make a batch of machines that fail. I have noticed however, that HP's
manufacturing quality has been declining over the last few years.
What are you choices? Brother, Canon, Epson, Lexmark and one or two
others? I have had misery with Epson (besides their truly irritating
tendancy to spend a whole minute clunking and whirring when switched
on), and Lexmark.
The ink running out thing is a pshychological ruse to make you go and
buy more ink. I have a deskjet 960c and it bitched at me for 6 months!
before the ink ran out, and it worked 100% all that time with moderate
use.
Use BLACKLIST to automatically shut down the error message window.
SteveJ :)
SoCalMike
Steve J wrote:
if color isnt a necessity, i bought a samsung laser printer at sams for
$98. fires right up, no ink to dry out, no nozzles to clog, no program
telling me i need to buy another overpriced cartridge. and supposedly
the "starter" toner cart it came with is good for 1200 pages, more than
ill do in 5 years. replacement carts are supposedly good for 5000 pages.
and all carts are *supposedly* refillable. even if not, a new cart is
$80- the same price as a couple ink carts.
dan
Couldn't agree more. After fighting my 3rd POS inkjet printer buying
ridiculously priced cartriges and learning the messy art of filling
them, I gave up on color to get a cheap laser printer. Now I get page
after page after page of cheap troublefree pages.
SoCalMike
>>if color isnt a necessity, i bought a samsung laser printer at sams for
>>$98. fires right up, no ink to dry out, no nozzles to clog, no program
>>telling me i need to buy another overpriced cartridge. and supposedly
>>the "starter" toner cart it came with is good for 1200 pages, more than
>>ill do in 5 years. replacement carts are supposedly good for 5000 pages.
>>and all carts are *supposedly* refillable. even if not, a new cart is
>>$80- the same price as a couple ink carts.
>
>
> Couldn't agree more. After fighting my 3rd POS inkjet printer buying
> ridiculously priced cartriges and learning the messy art of filling
> them, I gave up on color to get a cheap laser printer. Now I get page
> after page after page of cheap troublefree pages.
i see inkjets dying a slow death, market-wise. companies have milked the
refill costs for all theyre worth.
Toni Tagalario
> > users' problem? Is it easy or hard to set the printer date back a year?
Two approaches will easily defeat almost any HP ink expiry date.
1) Cycle 3 HP c501x ink cartridges (even epired cartridges work well).
2) Remove the CMOS battery from the MPU board; short; reinstall.
The first method entails momentarily replacing the existing expiring
HP c5010 & c5011 officejet d145 ink cartridges with an existing ink
cartridge (this second HP ink cartridge can be expired or not); then
cycling the power on the Hewlett Packard Office Jet d145 all-in-one
printer. Repeat with a third HP c5011 & c5010 ink cartridge (expired
or not). Replace the original after the obligatory cycling of the
power on the HP OfficeJet d145 all-in-one printer.
That stuff about print heads being destroyed by running out of ink is
pure unadulterated HP FUD (hey, he filled the ink - it never ran the
ink dry so dry print heads is not of concern in this excellent ng
thread).
The second method entals repairing the HP Office Jet d145 printer by
removing the restriction on date altogether. Simply disconnect the MPU
board CMOS battery (just remove it from the clips momentarily); short
the terminals of the MPU board battery connector (with the 120v power
off, of course); then re-connect.
The HP OfficeJet d145 boot-up sequence (which normally occurs only at
the factory) will go through a series of questions such as:
- What is the current date & time?
(change it by a year or two but not three!)
- How many sheets of paper for the B&W ink low-ink message?
- How many sheets of paper for the color ink low-ink message?
This proves HP is counting paper sheets - not ink drops or ink
levels!.
These methods have worked for thousands of successful HP printer
homeowners to eliminate the Hewlett Packard illegal restriction on
refilling HP printer ink cartridges. They will work for you too!
TT
Bob Headrick
"Toni Tagalario" <taga...@yahoo.com.sg> wrote in message
news:b3d2dc0b.04071...@posting.google.com...
> The HP OfficeJet d145 boot-up sequence (which normally occurs only at
> the factory) will go through a series of questions such as:
> - What is the current date & time?
> (change it by a year or two but not three!)
> - How many sheets of paper for the B&W ink low-ink message?
> - How many sheets of paper for the color ink low-ink message?
>
> This proves HP is counting paper sheets - not ink drops or ink
> levels!.
It does not prove any such thing. The printer does count drops, which may
correspond to a certain number of "standard" pages for calibration purposes.
Real printing varies widely on the amount of ink per page and counting pages
for a low on ink indicator would be a very unsuitable approach. For example, a
photo will use perhaps 10x the ink per page as a web page with small bit of
color.
It is much easier to type "800 pages" than "1039680000 drops" but the printer
counts the drops to estimate the level of ink left.
- Bob Headrick, not speaking for my employer HP
Joe
printer
> counts the drops to estimate the level of ink left.
My question is a little different... Why does my printer - which has both
black and multiple color resivoirs - use color ink up from time to time when
I only print B&W?
--
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Northern, NJ
Ask me about "The Ride" on July 31, '04:
http://www.youthelate.com/the_ride.htm
Born once - Die twice. Born twice - Die only once. Your choice...
~^Johnny^~
>the expiration is enforced to protect the
>printhead.
bull
--
-john
wide-open at throttle dot info
~~~~~~~~
The time to repair the roof is when the sun is shining
- JFK
~~~~~~~~
~^Johnny^~
> If you do not print much
>you should probably get a different printer. The PSC 2210 or 2410 or Officejet
>6110 may be a better fit for your needs.
>
>Regards,
>Bob Headrick, not speaking for my employer HP
HP sucks, and they lie to their employees and their customers.
My scanner (Photosmart S20) supposedly supports Windows 2000, but it broke
when I udated with SP4. HP tech support ws clueless about this - at first I
thought the hardware was going south - turns out it is the crappy drvers. It
works fine in Windows98 SE.
What irks me is: they flat out lied about OS support.
Oh yeah, I still have an old deskjet too, and the NT drivers are crap. I
have to buy and install third party software, like fine-print, in oorder to
realize the same functionality that WAS there with Win95/98, under NT4/2k/XP
Screw them. Screw them and their lies, and their inconsistent, buggy
engineering. I'll buy Epson from now on.
I have less sympathy for their employees than I do for burger-flippers.
They DID make good some calculators, back in the '70s - I'll give them credit
for that.
For more on the subject, see:
http://tinyurl.com/5vmcq
--
-john
wide-open at throttle dot info
~~~~~~~~
Power is, power does, and power slips away.
It's so easy to abuse. - Kris Kristofferson
~~~~~~~~
~^Johnny^~
>> > Does anyone know if setting the printer date to the past will solve the
>> > users' problem? Is it easy or hard to set the printer date back a year?
>
>Two approaches will easily defeat almost any HP ink expiry date.
>1) Cycle 3 HP c501x ink cartridges (even epired cartridges work well).
>2) Remove the CMOS battery from the MPU board; short; reinstall.
3) Reverse-engineer, patch, and recompile the driver. ;->
>The first method entails momentarily replacing the existing expiring
>HP c5010 & c5011 officejet d145 ink cartridges with an existing ink
>cartridge (this second HP ink cartridge can be expired or not); then
>cycling the power on the Hewlett Packard Office Jet d145 all-in-one
>printer. Repeat with a third HP c5011 & c5010 ink cartridge (expired
>or not). Replace the original after the obligatory cycling of the
>power on the HP OfficeJet d145 all-in-one printer.
Too much monkey business. Patching DLLs is more fun, anyway. ;-)
>That stuff about print heads being destroyed by running out of ink is
>pure unadulterated HP FUD (hey, he filled the ink - it never ran the
>ink dry so dry print heads is not of concern in this excellent ng
>thread).
I concur.
It is a marketing ploy.
I guess the "logic" is : user can afford high end printer = user can afford
to waste ink at his/her own expense. Manufacturer is happy to sell more ink.
I've been refilling _deskjet_ cartridges for years, and they have integral
print heads!
>
>The second method entals repairing the HP Office Jet d145 printer by
>removing the restriction on date altogether. Simply disconnect the MPU
>board CMOS battery (just remove it from the clips momentarily); short
>the terminals of the MPU board battery connector (with the 120v power
>off, of course); then re-connect.
>
>The HP OfficeJet d145 boot-up sequence (which normally occurs only at
>the factory) will go through a series of questions such as:
> - What is the current date & time?
> (change it by a year or two but not three!)
> - How many sheets of paper for the B&W ink low-ink message?
> - How many sheets of paper for the color ink low-ink message?
Chop! I love it!
Beats hacking code, too!
>
>This proves HP is counting paper sheets - not ink drops or ink
>levels!.
>
>These methods have worked for thousands of successful HP printer
>homeowners to eliminate the Hewlett Packard illegal restriction on
>refilling HP printer ink cartridges. They will work for you too!
Recorded and noted.
This article will be saved to text file
(and printed on my my 7-year-old Deskjet). <g>
--
-john
wide-open at throttle dot info
~~~~~~~~
~^Johnny^~
wrote:
>It's an 882C. When printing a photo it chugs along properly for 3" and
>then prints a 3/4" band of photograph with a distinct purple cast. Then
>it goes along properly for another few inches (these distances are
>pretty much random) and then prints another 3/4" band. Sometimes it
>will print a whole photo properly, sometimes with one band, sometimes
>with two or three. Occasionally it will print an entire page with one
>of the rows of dots lagging behind, which really looks cheesy. This may
>have stopped when the cartridges were replaced last time, but perhaps
>not.
>
>A third failure mode: consider a photo of a flat wall lit from one
>end. The wall will shade evenly from light to dark across the picture,
>right? That's what happens most of the time. Every once in a while,
>such a picture will exhibit stair-stepped blocks of color, as if the
>resolution were suddenly cut to 1/4 or 1/8 the proper value. Especially
>annoying when it's a person's face instead of a smooth wall or the sky.
>A second attempt at printing the same picture may or may not print
>properly. Likewise with the purple banding. All intermittent.
Reinstall the driver.
~^Johnny^~
>Couldn't agree more. After fighting my 3rd POS inkjet printer buying
>ridiculously priced cartriges and learning the messy art of filling
>them,
Toner is just as bad as ink, if spilled down the front of you. :-)
>I gave up on color to get a cheap laser printer. Now I get page
>after page after page of cheap troublefree pages.
How can I print my color photos on a monochrome printer?
The Real Bev
>
> On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 17:11:15 -0600, dan <d...@dontspamme.com> wrote:
>
> >Couldn't agree more. After fighting my 3rd POS inkjet printer buying
> >ridiculously priced cartriges and learning the messy art of filling
> >them,
>
> Toner is just as bad as ink, if spilled down the front of you. :-)
It washes off easily.
> >I gave up on color to get a cheap laser printer. Now I get page
> >after page after page of cheap troublefree pages.
>
> How can I print my color photos on a monochrome printer?
With great difficulty. Fortunately, crayons are pretty cheap.
--
Cheers, Bev
###################################################################
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facility for 10 years before operations ended in November 2000.
The island was turned into a wildlife preserve."
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The Real Bev
I had wondered about that. Do you have a specific reason for saying
that, or is it just the "Reformat your hard drive and reinstall all your
software" standard prescription for windows problems?
Gene Wirchenko
>On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 17:11:15 -0600, dan <d...@dontspamme.com> wrote:
>
>>Couldn't agree more. After fighting my 3rd POS inkjet printer buying
>>ridiculously priced cartriges and learning the messy art of filling
>>them,
>
>Toner is just as bad as ink, if spilled down the front of you. :-)
I understand that it is worse, if you try cleaning up using a
vacuum cleaner.
[snip]
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
Computerese Irregular Verb Conjugation:
I have preferences.
You have biases.
He/She has prejudices.
SoCalMike
~^Johnny^~ wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 17:11:15 -0600, dan <d...@dontspamme.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Couldn't agree more. After fighting my 3rd POS inkjet printer buying
>>ridiculously priced cartriges and learning the messy art of filling
>>them,
>
>
> Toner is just as bad as ink, if spilled down the front of you. :-)
>
>
>>I gave up on color to get a cheap laser printer. Now I get page
>>after page after page of cheap troublefree pages.
>
>
> How can I print my color photos on a monochrome printer?
sure, if you like B&W.
making a slideshow CD that can be viewed on most DVD players is easier.
another option, if you *need* hard copies of prints (xmas cards, etc) is
costco...
4x6 @ .18/ea (youd need to print 1000 to break even on a $180 printer,
and *still* have to factor in the ink and paper costs for 1000 prints)
5x7 @ .69/ea
8x10/8x12 @ 1.99/ea
11x14/12x18 @ 2.99/ea (try printing something this big on a regular
photo printer!)
all done in their 1 hr photo labs.
Bob Ward
<nos...@gyrogearloose.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 17:11:15 -0600, dan <d...@dontspamme.com> wrote:
>
>>Couldn't agree more. After fighting my 3rd POS inkjet printer buying
>>ridiculously priced cartriges and learning the messy art of filling
>>them,
>
>Toner is just as bad as ink, if spilled down the front of you. :-)
>
>>I gave up on color to get a cheap laser printer. Now I get page
>>after page after page of cheap troublefree pages.
>
>How can I print my color photos on a monochrome printer?
Take more shots of penguins - or polar bears.
~^Johnny^~
wrote:
No, I'm serious.
Both my old Radio Shack DMP-310 dot matrix printer, and my current printer,
started printing funny ... skewed lines and such .. weird aberrations in the
output .. and I had to reinstall the drivers. Device drivers, in the
software realm, can take on a mind of their own. Please trust me in this!
Reinstalling a printer driver is HARDLY as drastic as reformatting, or even
rebuilding the HAL (which I have had to do, in Windows 2000).
Just reinstall the printer driver. It's not drastic, and it's admittedly a
shotgun approach, but it's NOT DRASTIC enough to worry about.
Reinstall the driver. It's not a big deal.
~^Johnny^~
wrote:
>~^Johnny^~ wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 17:11:15 -0600, dan <d...@dontspamme.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Couldn't agree more. After fighting my 3rd POS inkjet printer buying
>> >ridiculously priced cartriges and learning the messy art of filling
>> >them,
>>
>> Toner is just as bad as ink, if spilled down the front of you. :-)
>
>It washes off easily.
>
>> >I gave up on color to get a cheap laser printer. Now I get page
>> >after page after page of cheap troublefree pages.
>>
>> How can I print my color photos on a monochrome printer?
>
>With great difficulty. Fortunately, crayons are pretty cheap.
LOL!
{{{{{{{{ Bev }}}}}}}}}
~^Johnny^~
Very good!
I like penguins.
At least, the Linux bird...
~^Johnny^~
wrote:
>another option, if you *need* hard copies of prints (xmas cards, etc) is
>costco...
>
>4x6 @ .18/ea (youd need to print 1000 to break even on a $180 printer,
>and *still* have to factor in the ink and paper costs for 1000 prints)
>
>5x7 @ .69/ea
>
>8x10/8x12 @ 1.99/ea
>
>11x14/12x18 @ 2.99/ea (try printing something this big on a regular
>photo printer!)
>
>all done in their 1 hr photo labs.
Can I take my =digital= images into Costco®?
The ones I have so laboriosly processed in Photoshop?
Check!
Your move...
SoCalMike
~^Johnny^~ wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 03:53:53 GMT, SoCalMike <mikein562...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>another option, if you *need* hard copies of prints (xmas cards, etc) is
>>costco...
>>
>>4x6 @ .18/ea (youd need to print 1000 to break even on a $180 printer,
>>and *still* have to factor in the ink and paper costs for 1000 prints)
>>
>>5x7 @ .69/ea
>>
>>8x10/8x12 @ 1.99/ea
>>
>>11x14/12x18 @ 2.99/ea (try printing something this big on a regular
>>photo printer!)
>>
>>all done in their 1 hr photo labs.
>
>
>
> Can I take my =digital= images into Costco®?
>
> The ones I have so laboriosly processed in Photoshop?
>
> Check!
> Your move...
in .jpg format, and either on a card, or cd? sure! give it a shot- you
might be really surprised. id be interested in seeing how they turn out
as well. and the higher the resolution, the better the picture.
The Real Bev
All I have to do is find the CD that came with the printer. I'll give
it a shot, though. It certainly sounds reasonable.
--
Cheers,
Bev
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"The way England treats her prisoners, she doesn't
deserve to have any." --Oscar Wilde
Bob Ward
<nos...@gyrogearloose.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 03:53:53 GMT, SoCalMike <mikein562...@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>another option, if you *need* hard copies of prints (xmas cards, etc) is
>>costco...
>>
>>4x6 @ .18/ea (youd need to print 1000 to break even on a $180 printer,
>>and *still* have to factor in the ink and paper costs for 1000 prints)
>>
>>5x7 @ .69/ea
>>
>>8x10/8x12 @ 1.99/ea
>>
>>11x14/12x18 @ 2.99/ea (try printing something this big on a regular
>>photo printer!)
>>
>>all done in their 1 hr photo labs.
>
>
>Can I take my =digital= images into Costco®?
>
>The ones I have so laboriosly processed in Photoshop?
>
>Check!
>Your move...
Sure you can. Costco has a CD drive for just that purpose.
Next time play a game you know something about.
SoCalMike
>
> All I have to do is find the CD that came with the printer. I'll give
> it a shot, though. It certainly sounds reasonable.
a lot of the time, companies will have drivers available on their
website. updated ones with bug fixes, too. helps to have broadband to
download them.
Rod Speed
"The Real Bev" <bas...@myrealbox.com> wrote in message news:410A8CB8...@myrealbox.com...
Its generally better to get the latest version off the manufacturer's web site.
The Real Bev
>
> ~^Johnny^~ wrote:
> > Just reinstall the printer driver. It's not drastic, and it's admittedly a
> > shotgun approach, but it's NOT DRASTIC enough to worry about.
> >
> > Reinstall the driver. It's not a big deal.
>
> All I have to do is find the CD that came with the printer. I'll give
> it a shot, though. It certainly sounds reasonable.
Downloaded the latest stuff. Installed it. No joy. Went to the HP
website, which suggested some diagnostics not mentioned in the User
Guide. Interesting: no yellow grid. The sucker is out of yellow!
Plenty of magenta and cyan (or whatever) but no yellow. Replaced the
cartridge, all is well.
Now I'm pissed because you have to replace the whole cartridge when you
run out of only one color. Nothing is ever perfect!
Has anybody found something that compares and contrasts various printers
in terms of lifetime cost per page?
--
Cheers,
Bev
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"Friends help you move. *Real* friends help you move bodies."
--A. Walker
Bob Ward
<bas...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
>The Real Bev wrote:
>>
>> ~^Johnny^~ wrote:
>> > Just reinstall the printer driver. It's not drastic, and it's admittedly a
>> > shotgun approach, but it's NOT DRASTIC enough to worry about.
>> >
>> > Reinstall the driver. It's not a big deal.
>>
>> All I have to do is find the CD that came with the printer. I'll give
>> it a shot, though. It certainly sounds reasonable.
>
>Downloaded the latest stuff. Installed it. No joy. Went to the HP
>website, which suggested some diagnostics not mentioned in the User
>Guide. Interesting: no yellow grid. The sucker is out of yellow!
>Plenty of magenta and cyan (or whatever) but no yellow. Replaced the
>cartridge, all is well.
>
>Now I'm pissed because you have to replace the whole cartridge when you
>run out of only one color. Nothing is ever perfect!
>
>Has anybody found something that compares and contrasts various printers
>in terms of lifetime cost per page?
You haven't tried refilling it? And you call yourself frugal?
Robert Morein
Bob Ward <bob...@email.com> wrote:
Way to resurrect an old and expired thread
ben_myers_spam_me_not
printers. But their articles are obsolete as soon as printed, because the
printer manufacturers change printer models quicker than I change underwear.
Suffice it to say that the life cycle costs per page for inkjet printers are
spiralling ever higher as evidenced by low printer prices and high cartridge
prices. All the inkjet printer manufacturers are now following the Gilette
product strategy of many years ago. Give away the razors and sell lots of
blades.
Epson now sells printers with 4 cartridges. If you run out of one color, you
need only to replace the one cartridge. Same high prices though.
If you want LOW life cycle costs and can live with black and white only
printing, HP LaserJets are way ahead of any inkjet printer. I'm running a
networked older LaserJet 5M here. It just keeps pumping out the paper at
somewhere between a penny and two cents a page including paper.
... Ben Myers
The Real Bev
It's my mom. She pays somebody to pump her gas, too. It's her choice,
I'd just like to widen the spectrum of possibility a bit. When she
replaces it she'll have better resolution, but it would be nice to NOT
feel like you're flushing money. She's frugal too, just not as serious
as I am. She looks on it as exchanging pieces of green paper for
something she can actually use.
Our printer is a 10-YO Panasonic laser printer, and we have a spare to
use for parts. I've refilled it once. I see no need to print in
color; sometimes it would be nice, but not nice enough to have to deal
with the problems all the time.
--
Cheers,
Bev
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"If you see me running, try to keep up."
...Back of bomb technician's shirt
SoCalMike
>>
>>Now I'm pissed because you have to replace the whole cartridge when you
>>run out of only one color. Nothing is ever perfect!
canon has some printers that use individual ink carts. i dont like
canon, because ive never had one that didnt jam.
>>
>>Has anybody found something that compares and contrasts various printers
>>in terms of lifetime cost per page?
>
>
>
> You haven't tried refilling it? And you call yourself frugal?
some people have more luck than others with the refilling. ive never
been one of the lucky ones. either i overfill, the piezo nozzle clogs,
or it works intermittantly.
>
>
Rod Speed
SoCalMike <mikein562...@hotmail.com> wrote in
message news:a9AQc.212460$%_6.61416@attbi_s01...
>>> Now I'm pissed because you have to replace the whole cartridge
>>> when you run out of only one color. Nothing is ever perfect!
> canon has some printers that use individual ink carts.
They do indeed.
> i dont like canon, because ive never had one that didnt jam.
Mine has never jammed. Ever.
>>> Has anybody found something that compares and
>>> contrasts various printers in terms of lifetime cost per page?
>> You haven't tried refilling it? And you call yourself frugal?
> some people have more luck than others with the refilling.
> ive never been one of the lucky ones. either i overfill, the
> piezo nozzle clogs, or it works intermittantly.
My canon is easy to refill, specially with the Pelikan syringe type refillers.
ahedge
"SoCalMike" <mikein562...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:a9AQc.212460$%_6.61416@attbi_s01...
>
> >>
Jeff Jonas
>Mine has never jammed. Ever.
Jamming was never a problem since the ones I have place the paper in-tray
in the back so the paper path is only forward to the front tray.
No flexing or bending around for the space-saving paper tray underneath
as with HP printers.
I just tossed out a Canon inkjet printer and several more will follow.
I wasted over $100 on the model 610 when that was the latest and greatest.
It has separate tanks, but the head doesn't seal when it parks,
so the "permanent" heads clogged.
Even when new, heads clogged after a day or 2
so I never achieved full resolution color printing.
While pulling it apart I found out why the felt cleaning-pad doesn't remove.
The felt pad continues to a huge chamber that's underneath the printer.
Several friends are pleased with the recent Epson color inkjet printers.
They print photographic quality. That's my next color printer.
shelly
>Several friends are pleased with the recent Epson color
>inkjet printers. They print photographic quality. That's my
>next color printer.
i've got an Epson Stylus C84. the print quality is quite
good. it prints full bleed, has separate tanks, and the ink
is waterproof. the last was the deciding factor for me. i
use it mainly for art purposes, so images that won't smear
when wet is important. this ink won't so much as smudge, even
if you fully immerse the print in water. i've printed on all
sorts of surfaces (newsprint, card stock, onion skin, paper
bags, transparencies, fabric...) and haven't had any
finickiness or jamming, nor any problems with print-heads
drying out, even when the printer isn't used for weeks on end.
and, it ships with full-sized color cartridges and a large
black cartridge (black comes in two sizes).
--
shelly (perfectly foul wench) and elliott and harriet
http://home.bluemarble.net/~scouvrette
Dave Close
>Has anybody found something that compares and contrasts various printers
>in terms of lifetime cost per page?
Consumer Reports, current issue.
--
Dave Close, Compata, Costa Mesa CA "If I seem unduly clear to you,
da...@compata.com, +1 714 434 7359 you must have misunderstood
dhc...@alumni.caltech.edu what I said." -- Alan Greenspan
--
Dave Close, Compata, Costa Mesa CA "Politics is the business of getting
da...@compata.com, +1 714 434 7359 power and privilege without
dhc...@alumni.caltech.edu possessing merit." - P. J. O'Rourke
The Real Bev
>
> The Real Bev <bas...@myrealbox.com> writes:
> >Has anybody found something that compares and contrasts various printers
> >in terms of lifetime cost per page?
> Consumer Reports, current issue.
Oh goody, off to the library. I stopped reading it when I got tired of
hearing about shock hazards if you do something incredibly stupid with
something that you plug into the wall. What they rarely talk about is
longevity. I'm willing to forego a lot of features as long as a thing
works pretty much forever.
--
Cheers,
Bev
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Subscribe today to "Fire in the Hole - the Quarterly Journal
for Incinerator Toilet Enthusiasts" -- Andrew
Rod Speed
"The Real Bev" <bas...@myrealbox.com> wrote in message news:41194057...@myrealbox.com...
> Dave Close wrote:
> >
> > The Real Bev <bas...@myrealbox.com> writes:
> > >Has anybody found something that compares and contrasts various printers
> > >in terms of lifetime cost per page?
>
> > Consumer Reports, current issue.
>
> Oh goody, off to the library. I stopped reading it when I got tired of
> hearing about shock hazards if you do something incredibly stupid with
> something that you plug into the wall. What they rarely talk about is
> longevity. I'm willing to forego a lot of features as long as a thing
> works pretty much forever.
Get with the program, granny.
The real world has moved on just a tad on that with inkjet printers now.
Bill Haught
"~^Johnny^~" <nos...@gyrogearloose.com> wrote in message
news:ip9af0le72154uknb...@4ax.com...
>> a long tirade to make it short
Installing service packs can break systems if you don't install
updates to important programs (which may or may not require a costly
upgrade). I would consider printer drivers as important programs.
Considering a Linux distro might be a good idea to. I haven't checked
for Linux drivers, but the directions and registration pretended that
UNIX-like operating systems do not exist (except Mac OS X), which
isn't exactly encouraging.
Michael Meissner
According to http://hpoj.sourceforge.net/suplist.shtml, Linux supports the
OfficeJet D145 as a printer, but does not support the fax part. I'm not sure
the if scanner part is supported.
--
Michael Meissner
email: mrm...@the-meissners.org
http://www.the-meissners.org
Donna Di' Stranso
Except the final 4.5-year-from-date-of-manufacture expiry date.
The question still is HOW DOES HP STORE that final expiry date?
I find it hard to believe the COMPUTER has anything to do with the
storage of the expiry date on an HP 14 ink cartridge. Why? Because the
d145 all-in-one printer which uses the HP 14 ink ink is a color copier
and a fax and neither usage requires the use of a computer.
Does ANYONE actually know how HP stores the expiry date in an HP14 ink
cartridge?
Joel M. Eichen
Its a simple thing for computer technology as the computer and the
printer do "TALK" to one another. FONTS, etc.
You install the cartidge and it sends a signal to the computer and
send the exiration date.
How?
How to circumvent?
I have no idea!
JOEL
Brian Inglis
<DonnaD...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Every HP fake expiry date has been shown to be surmountable.
>Except the final 4.5-year-from-date-of-manufacture expiry date.
>
>The question still is HOW DOES HP STORE that final expiry date?
>
>I find it hard to believe the COMPUTER has anything to do with the
>storage of the expiry date on an HP 14 ink cartridge. Why? Because the
>d145 all-in-one printer which uses the HP 14 ink ink is a color copier
>and a fax and neither usage requires the use of a computer.
ISTM the reference is to the computer(s) that run the scanner,
printer, and modem inside the all-in-one.
>Does ANYONE actually know how HP stores the expiry date in an HP14 ink
>cartridge?
Probably encoded with some of the cartridge contacts, possibly
internal to the cartridge, requiring a minor mod every month, so that
the flexible circuit strip doesn't have to be changed.
--
Thanks. Take care, Brian Inglis Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Brian....@CSi.com (Brian[dot]Inglis{at}SystematicSW[dot]ab[dot]ca)
fake address use address above to reply
Bob Headrick
"Brian Inglis" <Brian....@SystematicSW.Invalid> wrote in message
news:n034l0pp6glpolkq0...@4ax.com...
> Probably encoded with some of the cartridge contacts, possibly
> internal to the cartridge, requiring a minor mod every month, so that
> the flexible circuit strip doesn't have to be changed.
Interesting speculation but not even close.
- Bob
Brian Inglis
Ah, I forgot about the dot code on the paper label on the front!
Orak Listalavostok
Why do I have so much trouble with my HP d125 all-in-one printer!
(I'm trying to print labels for the kids' gifts tonight).
I have three brand-new 19 ml HP #14 hpc5010a tri-color ink cartridges
which had been merely placed in the printer a few months ago and then
removed (in a hopeless attempt at cycling which failed at the time).
These three cartrides are FULL OF ORIGINAL OEM HP INK!
Yet, here is what happened this Christmas Eve:
The color of the first hpc5010a HP14 cartridge ran out today saying:
"Color ink out. Printing stopped. Replace color ink cartridge.
Press enter to continue."
So, I put in the second cartridge (which is full of OEM HP ink!).
It says the same thing!
So I put the third cartridge (which also is full of OEM HP ink!).
It says the same thing.
I recycle the power. Kill all print jobs. Reboot the computer.
Recycle the printer power again. All to no avail.
What is happening?
What is the (HP) logic here? (whatever it is, I don't get it).
Orak Listalavostok
Donna Michaelson
<orakl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Why do I have so much trouble with my HP d125 all-in-one printer!
>The color of the first hpc5010a HP14 cartridge ran out today saying:
>"Color ink out. Printing stopped. Replace color ink cartridge.
>Press enter to continue."
>So, I put in the second cartridge (which is full of OEM HP ink!).
>It says the same thing!
On Christmas Eve! What horror! Think about the kids!
Where is Bob Headrick when you need him? :)
Even though you've cycled three or four ink cartridges,
I don't think that will erase any cartridge serial numbers
because I think the HP D145 printer actually BURNS the
installation date into the HP-14 cartridges themselves!
I may be wrong so take whatever Bob Headrick says as
gospel in response ... but if I'm right, now that the ink is
out of the first HP-14 color cartridge, then the only way
you can refill these c5010A cartridges is to tape over certain
gold leads BEFORE you place the cartridge in that
Hewlett Packard D145 printer for the first time.
Worse yet, you've started the expiration clock merely by inserting
the HP-14 ink cartridge into the HP D145 printer & there's nothing
you can do to stop the expiration clock from its inevitable countdown.
If anyone knows WHICH gold leads to tape over so that the
expiration clock doesn't start ticking, please let the rest of us
know the secret sauce!
Donna Michaelson
William Bowman
> On 24 Dec 2004 21:45:19 -0800, "Orak Listalavostok"
> <orakl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Why do I have so much trouble with my HP d125 all-in-one printer!
>>The color of the first hpc5010a HP14 cartridge ran out today saying:
>>"Color ink out. Printing stopped. Replace color ink cartridge.
>>Press enter to continue."
>>So, I put in the second cartridge (which is full of OEM HP ink!).
>>It says the same thing!
>
> On Christmas Eve! What horror! Think about the kids!
> Where is Bob Headrick when you need him? :)
>
Who is Bob Headrick?
I've always had problems with HP printers crapping out on me so I don't
recommend anyone ever buy them. Remember HP makes all its money on the ink.
It's their game to tell you the ink is empty when it's not. Sure they could
actually l@@k but they don't see it as their advantage to really tell you
how much ink is in there.
You don't think they could just sense the amount of ink in the cartridge?
Nope. They don't want to know the answer. In your case, the hpc5010a HP #14
ink is full but HP doesn't actually care. They want you to go out on
Christmas eve and buy another 50 dollar cartridge of 6.33 ml of ink (per
color). Sucker!
It's all your fault for purchasing an HP printer.
Anyone who buys or uses an HP printer is a **** fool!
Suffer like the rest of us did until we found a different printer
manufacturer that actually cared about their printer and their customer
more than their overpriced ink.
Bill
P.S. Don't tell whoever Bob Headrick is that I said this!
Sharon Rumsburg
news:f37ks9rlba0w.k...@40tude.net:
> On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 07:11:55 GMT, Donna Michaelson wrote:
>
>> On 24 Dec 2004 21:45:19 -0800, "Orak Listalavostok"
>> <orakl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Why do I have so much trouble with my HP d125 all-in-one printer!
>>>The color of the first hpc5010a HP14 cartridge ran out today saying:
>>>"Color ink out. Printing stopped. Replace color ink cartridge.
>>>Press enter to continue."
>>>So, I put in the second cartridge (which is full of OEM HP ink!).
>>>It says the same thing!
>>
>> On Christmas Eve! What horror! Think about the kids!
>> Where is Bob Headrick when you need him? :)
>>
>
> You don't think they could just sense the amount of ink in the
> cartridge? Nope. They don't want to know the answer. In your case, the
> hpc5010a HP #14 ink is full but HP doesn't actually care. They want
> you to go out on Christmas eve and buy another 50 dollar cartridge of
> 6.33 ml of ink (per color). Sucker!
You may still have a chance this evening if you try this hint I picked up
on the web somewhere. These steps were meant to apply to those who refill
the HP14 cartridges, yet you have original HP14 ink --- but the steps
still might work for you if you hurry before the kids wake up to see all
their presents with monotone hand-labelled notes from Santa & Mrs. Claus!
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Make sure the DATE is showing in the HP OfficeJet D LCD display.
Note: The reset process will NOT work if the date is not showing!
Note: Reset only one tank (HP14 tri-color or black) at a time.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
2. With two fingers, instantly press the "<" & ">" keys and let up.
Note: Do not hold the two keys down for more than an instant or
nothing will happen; just try again if you do that.
For the tri-color tank:
Then press the keys "4" "5" and "6", in sequence, on the d145 keypad.
Or, for the black tank:
Press the keys "7" "8" and "9", in sequence, on the OfficeJet keypad.
When the display asks "Ink Gage Off? 1=Yes 2=No", enter 1 (of course).
You should now see the message "Ink gage is now off".
Note: If you ever wish to turn the ink gage back on (say, for a new
tank), you can repeat the steps above, entering "2" instead.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
3. Print a black-and-white or tri-color test page:
Note: Here are sample color and B&W test pages to print:
http://www.printerfillingstation.com/color/color.htm
http://www.printerfillingstation.com/color/black.htm
Note: My ink refill kit contained black, cyan, magenta, yellow,
photo cyan, & photo magenta (photo is lighter). My instructions
say to use the regular color, not the pc (photo color).
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4. To restore HPd145 factory defaults:
Press "Menu" on the OfficeJet D series printer.
Bring up the "Status & Maintenance" menu by pressing the keys, in
sequence "7" and "5"; then select "Restore Factory Defaults"
(luckily, this will not wipe out speed-dial settings nor fax header &
date information).
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Hints:
- This method does NOT reset expiration dates.
- The printer will refuse to print using expired-date tanks.
- Before your ink goes dry (even for a day), refill it!
- Choose the 20% level as your refill level.
- You can easily get 5-7 refills from a cartridge (range is 2 to 20).
- Never ever touch the copper contacts on any printer ink cartridge!
- Tape over the correct contacts before placing them in service!
Note: The mere fact you've refilled cartridges & ink tanks can NOT
affect your warranty (by law)! For example, see HP's web site:
http://www.hp.com/cposupport/printers/support_doc/bpa00113.html
which basically dances around the FTC Magnuson-Moss Warranty
Improvement Act which says a company cannot warrant or sell any
product under the pretense the consumer MUST purchase replacement
parts solely from them.
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Orak Listalavostok
> >> On Christmas Eve! Think about the kids!
> >> Where is Bob Headrick when you need him?
> You may still have a chance this evening if you try this hint ...
OK. I turned off the ink counting in my HP D series printer.
But, still, no matter what cartridge I put in (all but the first
one are full of OEM original ink), the HP d145 printer _still_ says:
"Color ink out"
Why is HP doing this to me?
What did I do to deserve this treatment from my printer?
The other two brand-new color cartridges are dated 2005/09/10 and
2005/12/18 respectively so I don't think the expiration dates are
kicking in (are they)?
When I clear everything and try to copy with the scanner, it says:
"Copying 1 of 1"
"Press Cancel to cancel job"
yet nothing comes out of this HP d145 printer.
It was all working minutes before!
None of this is making any sense to me!
Can someone who understands HP printers please explain what is going
on?
Maybe Bob Headrick knows why the HP D145 printer acts this way?
Orak Listalavostok
Donna Michaelson
<orakl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>It was all working minutes before!
>None of this is making any sense to me!
>Can someone who understands HP printers please explain what is going
>on?
>Maybe Bob Headrick knows why the HP D145 printer acts this way?
>Orak Listalavostok
I just ran a search for you.
See this article at http://hardware.mcse.ms/message36090-3.html
Mayby you can remove the HP d145 battery for an hour.
That battery is visible (with a flashlight) if you open the cover
(like you do to replace the HP 14 ink cartridges).
Look way left against the sidewall.
A battery the size of a quarter is held in with a clip
on a black plastic shell on a small brown circuit board.
It's hard to get your head in there but I just tried and was
able to remove the battery (with some difficulty) using just
a large paper clip. I used the paper clip to pull back on the
surprisingly long spring and then used my fingernail to pry
the battery out at the 11 o'clock and 1 o'clock detents provided
in the black plastic battery holder for this purpose.
I was glad I previously pulled the plug as the batter fell
down and I had to remove everything I could from the printer
and then shake the d145 printer upside down to get the
battery back.
Use needlenose pliars or equivalent so you don't lose
that battery like I did. One good thing came of shaking
the printer in that a few shreds of crumpled paper fell out.
I have no idea where *they* were hiding!
Donna Michaelson
<dmich...@NOSPAM.blockbuster.com> wrote:
>Look way left against the sidewall.
>A battery the size of a quarter is held in with a clip
>on a black plastic shell on a small brown circuit board.
I forgot to mention the battery was installed with the
MINUS side down (toward the circuit board) with the
PLUS side facing your head as you peek inside.
For my HP OfficeJet d145 printer, it's the stock HP
PANASONIC CR2032 3V battery (made in Indonesia).
Now I've got to get wrapping my kids presents too!
I hope you get your HP printer to behave before dawn.
Good luck and Merry Christmas.
Donna
Bob Ward
<wrob...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>It's all your fault for purchasing an HP printer.
>Anyone who buys or uses an HP printer is a **** fool!
>Suffer like the rest of us did until we found a different printer
>manufacturer that actually cared about their printer and their customer
>more than their overpriced ink.
And the name of this company is...?
Bob Ward
Merry Christmas! See
http://www.stratitec.com/inkrefill/support/inkreset4.php
Resetting ink levels in HP printers with HP 14 cartridges
First check to verify that your cartridge has not exceeded it's
expiration date. Printers that use the HP14 cartridge are unable to
use expired cartridges. If your cartridge is not past it's expiration
date, you may be able to override the ink level meters on the printer.
IMPORTANT: Printing with an empty print cartridge can result in
damaged print heads. Be sure to refill frequently, and before the
printer shows signs of low ink.
Before disabling the Ink Level Gauge, be aware that your printer will
no longer warn you when your cartridges are in need of refill. You
will need to pay close attention, and refill them before they run low.
The procedure to reset the ink level on the black cartridge differs
slightly from the the color cartridge procedure. To override the ink
level gauge:
For Black
Press both left and right arrow buttons simultaneously, then release
Press 7, 8, then 9
A prompt should appear in the status window on the unit, press 1 for
Yes to turn off the level indicator on this particular black cartridge
For Tri-Color
Press both left and right arrow buttons simultaneously, then release
Press 4, 5, then 6
A prompt should appear in the status window on the unit, press 1 for
Yes to turn off the level indicator on this particular color
cartridge.
The following is an alternate method for the Color Inkjet 1160 model
printer. This model does not have a keypad for the sequence above. You
may reset this printer's ink level gauge, by the following method:
For Black
Press and hold down the Power button
While holding down the Power button:
* Press the Cancel button twelve (12) times
* Press the Resume button once (1)
Release the Power button
For Tri-Color
Press and hold down the Power button
While holding down the Power button:
* Press the Cancel button twelve (12) times
* Press the Resume button three (3) times
Release the Power button.
Orak Listalavostok
>
http://www.alotofthings.com/inkjetinformation/TheNewInkJetMarketplace.htm
> some HP (and Lexmark) cartridges have the expiration dates burned in
> at the time of manufacture, not the time of installation.
I think there might be two dates 'burned' into the HP 14 c5010a ink
cartridges.
1. FINAL EXPIRATION DATE (dies 4.5 years from date of manufacture)
2. IN-SERVICE DATE (dies 2.5 years from date of initial installation)
The "actual" HP14 ink cartrdige expiry date is the first of these two!
I think the 4.5 year expiry date is burned in at manufacture time;
I think the 30-month expiry date is burned in when you install it.
I don't think HP burns in a serial number;
I think it burns the actual date!
Witness these facts:
Today, Christmas Eve, my color cartridge said it was out of ink.
When I put a second cartridge in, it said the SAME THING even though
the cartridge was full of OEM ink (it was only used ONCE on the day I
bought it). Same with a third OEM full HP 14 color ink cartridge.
I infer that the 30-months contiguous service is burned into the smart
chip at the time of install.
Interesting, since all three cartridges were put in service on the same
day in the same machine, and all three are saying "out of ink" even
though only one can possibly be out of ink, I suspect the date burned
into each cartridge is the SAME DATE (and not some unique serial
number).
That is, I'm surmising, the HP D145 printer is seeing the second and
third ink cartridges EXACTLY the same as the first (it appears). If I
had only put them in service on a DIFFERENT DATE, then perhaps it would
recognize the second and third cartridges as different.
In summary, I think the HP D145 printer is assuming the three ink
cartridges are one and the same because all the HP ojd145 "sees" is
the same date burned into the smart chip on all three (which were put
in initial service in the same machine on that same date months ago).
Does this make any sense?
Don Klipstein
I use Canon printers. There are alternative suppliers of ink cartridges
for Canon printers. The ink cartridges do not have chips to expire them
after some time after manufacture or after first use or get in the way of
refilling.
For at least some models, all colors are replaceable separately.
CAUTION: The manual says you may damage your printer with refilled ink
cartridges. And I have sometimes had refilled ones act like they were
empty or low even when there was a lot of ink in them (with a BJC-620
printer), even after as little as two refills.
- Don Klipstein (d...@misty.com)
Dr. Rastis Fafoofnik
This is just ONE of the reasons I took my HP printer out to the driveway and
threw that piece of shit around until there wasn't a piece bigger than your
fist.After destroying it, it will NEVER crap out on me again.
It was replaced with a cheapo "Lexmark" that produces NICE pictures,text and
NEVER gives me any grief.
HP can go suck an egg, screw them. Never will buy another HP printer again.
SoCalMike
using the OEM cartrige, which can hopefully be refilled easier and more
successfully than those leaky crappy inkjets.
Bob Ward
So you chose to buy the printer with the highest priced cartridges
available. Got it.
Bob Ward
And with a box of crayons, full color.
John Beardmore
<bob...@verizon.net> writes
Is there a similar incantation to this for the HP CP1700 using 10 and 11
cartridges ?
Cheers, J/.
--
John Beardmore
SoCalMike
>>screw em all. bought a samsung B&W laser printer for under $100. still
>>using the OEM cartrige, which can hopefully be refilled easier and more
>>successfully than those leaky crappy inkjets.
>
>
> And with a box of crayons, full color.
>
>
directions, etc. B&W will do for that.
Orak Listalavostok
> The unexplained HP engineering is why did three HP14 c5010a ink
> tanks (all of which were placed in service on the same date with
> all but one of which were immediately removed from service) report
> "COLOR INK OUT" (even when 2 of the 3 were full of HP OEM ink!)?
... twas the night before Christmas ... my HP ink level sank ...
... not a printer was printing ... nary one of 3 tanks ...
The good news:
- We're back printing beautifully (better than before) scores of prints
- Using (strangely) the original HP14 c5010a tri-color cartridge
- Which previously exhibited the correct "COLOR INK OUT" message!
The bad news:
- I have no idea what particular event "cleared" the HP "memory"
The lessons learned:
- Switching the three cartridges Dec 24 had no effect on COLOR INK OUT
- Filling the one empty cartridge also had no effect on COLOR INK OUT
- Removing the CR2032 3V CMOS battery had no immediate efect ...
The day after:
- Yet, about 12 hours later (on Christmas day)
- The completely full cartridge was removed ...
- And then replaced with the original empty cartridge ...
And it printed without error!
After subsequent refilling ... the original PRINTER INK OUT HP14
tri-color ink cartridge is printing beautifully vibrant photos even
after scores of sheets of paper (and multiple refills).
I guess it's the first Christmas present from HP to all of us.
I can't explain it; if you can - please do!
Orak Listalavostok
Vic Dura
Black/color ink old. 8 days to expire. Printing will stop. "Dr.
Rastis Fafoofnik" <Fafo...@fafoofnik.org> wrote:
Dr. Fafoofnik,
Would you by chance be a physiologist specializing in anger
management?
--
To reply to me directly, remove the XXX characters from my email address.
Bob Headrick
"Orak Listalavostok" <orakl...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1103970181.1...@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> That is, I'm surmising, the HP D145 printer is seeing the second and
> third ink cartridges EXACTLY the same as the first (it appears). If I
> had only put them in service on a DIFFERENT DATE, then perhaps it would
> recognize the second and third cartridges as different.
>
> In summary, I think the HP D145 printer is assuming the three ink
> cartridges are one and the same because all the HP ojd145 "sees" is
> the same date burned into the smart chip on all three (which were put
> in initial service in the same machine on that same date months ago).
> Does this make any sense?
That is not what I would have expected but it may be possible. Try calling HP
toll-free and discuss the issue with them. I would expect the cartridges to
still be under warranty, although installing them in the printer started the
"clock" on the expiration based on time in the printer.
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/genericDocument?lc=en&cc=us&docname=bpa02075&dlc=en&lang=en
and
http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?objectID=bpa02074#N1028E
have information on the warranty. Call HP at 1-800-HPINVENt for warranty
information.
I replied to a later posting wondering why you would have installed all the
cartridges and then removed them, wondering why you would do that. Having read
more of the thread I now understand the process of trying to thwart the low on
ink indicator. The printers that "remember" the last two cartridges and have a
low on ink indicator do not in any way use the LOI indicator to prevent
printing. These printers have the printhead built into the cartridge, and no
damage can happen to the printer if the printer prints with an empty cartridge.
The LOI warning is designed to give the user an indication that they are
running low on ink so they can have a replacement cartridge on hand.
Printers that have separate ink supplies and printheads may enforce a more
stringent policy for low or out of ink, since running the printhead dry can
cause clogging, air locks and/or burning out the firing resistors, requiring
the printhead to be replaced as well as the supply. I suppose it is possible
that the printer has the three cartridges confused since it would not expect
them to be all installed initially on the same date; I would not have designed
it this way but I had nothing to do with this model :-). In addition to
calling HP, you might try asking the question in the HP users forum at:
http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/bizsupport/categoryhome.do?categoryId=420
Regards,
Bob Headrick, not speaking for my employer HP