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 More options Oct 22 2012, 11:31 pm
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From: Ant <a...@zimage.comANT>
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 20:31:27 -0700
Local: Mon, Oct 22 2012 11:31 pm
Subject: Connect an old parallel HP LaserJet 6P printer to MacBook Pros (Mac OS X 10.5.8 and 10.8.2)?
Hello.

My client would like to know if it is possible to connect his very old
parallel HP LaserJet 6P printer to his MacBook Pros since inkjet
printers' inks are expensive compared to old reliable and cheaper laser.
I assume it would require an USB+parallel adapter to physically connect.
Also, there are HP drivers for Mac OS X 10.5.x and older, but none for
the newer ones like 10.8.2. :(

Thank you in advance. :)
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 More options Oct 23 2012, 1:26 am
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From: Andreas Rutishauser <andr...@macandreas.ch>
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 07:26:07 +0200
Local: Tues, Oct 23 2012 1:26 am
Subject: Re: Connect an old parallel HP LaserJet 6P printer to MacBook Pros (Mac OS X 10.5.8 and 10.8.2)?
Salut Ant

In article <BI2dnW0DCvEIkhvNnZ2dnUVZ_tGdn...@earthlink.com>,

 Ant <a...@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> My client would like to know if it is possible to connect his very old
> parallel HP LaserJet 6P printer to his MacBook Pros since inkjet
> printers' inks are expensive compared to old reliable and cheaper laser.
> I assume it would require an USB+parallel adapter to physically connect.
> Also, there are HP drivers for Mac OS X 10.5.x and older, but none for
> the newer ones like 10.8.2. :(

I think I did that once with a LaserJet 6 MP (which is the Mac editionof
the 6P) and a d-link DPR-1061. Idea was then offer the printer to
several computers in the network.
HP PPDs (or "printer drivers") are either already built into newer
MacOSs or will be installed (downloaded) from Apple when needed.

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 More options Oct 23 2012, 1:50 am
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From: YourN...@YourISP.com (Your Name)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 18:50:50 +1300
Local: Tues, Oct 23 2012 1:50 am
Subject: Re: Connect an old parallel HP LaserJet 6P printer to MacBook Pros (Mac OS X 10.5.8 and 10.8.2)?
In article <BI2dnW0DCvEIkhvNnZ2dnUVZ_tGdn...@earthlink.com>, Ant

<a...@zimage.comANT> wrote:

> Hello.

> My client would like to know if it is possible to connect his very old
> parallel HP LaserJet 6P printer to his MacBook Pros since inkjet
> printers' inks are expensive compared to old reliable and cheaper laser.
> I assume it would require an USB+parallel adapter to physically connect.
> Also, there are HP drivers for Mac OS X 10.5.x and older, but none for
> the newer ones like 10.8.2. :(

> Thank you in advance. :)

I looked into this same situation for a client a few years ago (for a
LaserJet 5P from memory). You can get an ethernet add-on (or at least used
to be able to) from HP that plus inside the printer, but it's damn
expensive. You could also probably find a third-party Parallel->USB or
Parallel->Ethernet adaptor, but again it's not likely to be cheap. Either
way, as you mention, you may also have issues with not having a proper
printer driver. As Lewis says, it's simply cheaper and easier to just buy
a new printer.

 
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 More options Oct 23 2012, 2:11 am
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From: Ant <a...@zimage.comANT>
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 23:11:27 -0700
Local: Tues, Oct 23 2012 2:11 am
Subject: Re: Connect an old parallel HP LaserJet 6P printer to MacBook Pros (Mac OS X 10.5.8 and 10.8.2)?
On 10/22/2012 10:26 PM PT, Andreas Rutishauser typed:

>> My client would like to know if it is possible to connect his very old
>> parallel HP LaserJet 6P printer to his MacBook Pros since inkjet
>> printers' inks are expensive compared to old reliable and cheaper laser.
>> I assume it would require an USB+parallel adapter to physically connect.
>> Also, there are HP drivers for Mac OS X 10.5.x and older, but none for
>> the newer ones like 10.8.2. :(

> I think I did that once with a LaserJet 6 MP (which is the Mac editionof
> the 6P) and a d-link DPR-1061. Idea was then offer the printer to
> several computers in the network.
> HP PPDs (or "printer drivers") are either already built into newer
> MacOSs or will be installed (downloaded) from Apple when needed.

This one doesn't have network features. It does have InfraRed. :D
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 More options Oct 23 2012, 2:15 am
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From: Paul Sture <nos...@sture.ch>
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 08:14:58 +0200
Local: Tues, Oct 23 2012 2:14 am
Subject: Re: Connect an old parallel HP LaserJet 6P printer to MacBook Pros (Mac OS X 10.5.8 and 10.8.2)?
In article
<YourName-2310121850500...@203-118-187-213.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
 YourN...@YourISP.com (Your Name) wrote:

The HP printer network cards are shockingly expensive.

A parallel port to ethernet adaptor, known as a "Print Server" is much
cheaper.

Here's one example:

<http://www.trendnet.com/products/proddetail.asp?status=view&prod=220_TE1
00-P1P>

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 More options Oct 23 2012, 3:17 am
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From: demp...@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 20:17:09 +1300
Local: Tues, Oct 23 2012 3:17 am
Subject: Re: Connect an old parallel HP LaserJet 6P printer to MacBook Pros (Mac OS X 10.5.8 and 10.8.2)?

Ant <a...@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> My client would like to know if it is possible to connect his very old
> parallel HP LaserJet 6P printer to his MacBook Pros since inkjet
> printers' inks are expensive compared to old reliable and cheaper laser.
> I assume it would require an USB+parallel adapter to physically connect.

The only way I'd recommend bothering with this would be if you can lay
your hands on an HP JetDirect EX Plus, HP JetDirect EX Plus 3 or HP
JetDirect 300X for next to no money. They are external Ethernet print
servers with a parallel connection to the printer. (The EX Plus 3 has
three parallel ports.) There may be other brands which operate similarly
to these and are Mac compatible, but I haven't gone looking for them.

I have a HP JetDirect EX Plus attached to my HP LaserJet 6MP, and the
printer has continued to work through every version of Mac OS X up to
and including 10.8.2. After I upgraded from 10.5 to 10.6 I had to stop
using AppleTalk and switched to the "JetDirect Socket" protocol.

USB to parallel adapters are generally problematic, due to lack of Mac
drivers or compatibility issues.

The other option for Mac OS X 10.5.8 (but not later verisons) is an
Ethernet to LocalTalk adapter (made by Farallon?), which would plug into
the serial port on the LaserJet 6MP. These only support the AppleTalk
printing protocol, and AppleTalk was dropped by Mac OS X 10.6. They are
also much slower than connecting to the parallel port.

If you can't find a cheap external HP JetDirect, your client would be
better to buy a more modern laser printer which doesn't require a
conversion to interface to a modern Mac. I know a growing number of
people using Brother laser printers, and I have a mid-range Brother
model with built-in networking and duplexing (HL-5380DN).

The Brother is substantially faster than my old 6MP, plus its duplexing
unit saves paper and time for certain print jobs.

My LaserJet 6MP has been demoted to a backup printer which I keep in my
office at work (so I don't need to use work's printer for personal
stuff).

> Also, there are HP drivers for Mac OS X 10.5.x and older, but none for
> the newer ones like 10.8.2. :(

You are looking in the wrong place. Printer manufacturers supply the
printer drivers for Mac OS X 10.5.8 and earlier, but starting with Mac
OS X 10.6, drivers for most printers and scanners are distributed
through Apple, typically installed on demand via Software Update.

Apple has a page listing all the printer and scanner models supported by
the drivers they supply in Mac OS X 10.6 and later:

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3669

The HP LaserJet 6MP is supported via the Apple-supplied drivers.

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 More options Oct 23 2012, 9:24 am
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From: Mark Storkamp <mstork...@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 08:22:56 -0500
Local: Tues, Oct 23 2012 9:22 am
Subject: Re: Connect an old parallel HP LaserJet 6P printer to MacBook Pros (Mac OS X 10.5.8 and 10.8.2)?
In article <slrnk8c4a2.2u04.g.kr...@mbp55.local>,

 Lewis <g.kr...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> In message <BI2dnW0DCvEIkhvNnZ2dnUVZ_tGdn...@earthlink.com>
>   Ant <a...@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> > Hello.

> > My client would like to know if it is possible to connect his very old
> > parallel HP LaserJet 6P printer to his MacBook Pros since inkjet
> > printers' inks are expensive compared to old reliable and cheaper laser.
> > I assume it would require an USB+parallel adapter to physically connect.

> It would be cheaper to buy a decent laser printer, and you'd get a
> scanner and duplex and faxing <spit> in the bargin. Oh, and it would be
> faster.

> I recommend Brother. I think my MFC was under $200.

You can get a parallel to ethernet printer server on Amazon for about
37USD. I've used USB versions in the past with good results.

 
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 More options Oct 23 2012, 9:24 am
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From: Ant <a...@zimage.comANT>
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 06:24:41 -0700
Local: Tues, Oct 23 2012 9:24 am
Subject: Re: Connect an old parallel HP LaserJet 6P printer to MacBook Pros (Mac OS X 10.5.8 and 10.8.2)?
On 10/22/2012 11:14 PM PT, Paul Sture typed:

>> I looked into this same situation for a client a few years ago (for a
>> LaserJet 5P from memory). You can get an ethernet add-on (or at least used
>> to be able to) from HP that plus inside the printer, but it's damn
>> expensive. You could also probably find a third-party Parallel->USB or
>> Parallel->Ethernet adaptor, but again it's not likely to be cheap. Either
>> way, as you mention, you may also have issues with not having a proper
>> printer driver. As Lewis says, it's simply cheaper and easier to just buy
>> a new printer.

> The HP printer network cards are shockingly expensive.

Like how much? I can tell my client to make him buy a new USB laser
printer. Heh heh!

> A parallel port to ethernet adaptor, known as a "Print Server" is much
> cheaper.

> Here's one example:

> <http://www.trendnet.com/products/proddetail.asp?status=view&prod=220_...>

Interesting. Is there a wireless version since the router/switch is far
away from the old printer? What about Infrared?
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 More options Oct 23 2012, 9:38 am
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From: Ant <a...@zimage.comANT>
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 06:38:42 -0700
Local: Tues, Oct 23 2012 9:38 am
Subject: Re: Connect an old parallel HP LaserJet 6P printer to MacBook Pros (Mac OS X 10.5.8 and 10.8.2)?
On 10/23/2012 12:17 AM PT, David Empson typed:

> The only way I'd recommend bothering with this would be if you can lay
> your hands on an HP JetDirect EX Plus, HP JetDirect EX Plus 3 or HP
> JetDirect 300X for next to no money. They are external Ethernet print
> servers with a parallel connection to the printer. (The EX Plus 3 has
> three parallel ports.) There may be other brands which operate similarly
> to these and are Mac compatible, but I haven't gone looking for them.

One parallel port is enough. Who knows how long this printer will last.
Yes, they are like tanks but this is one is over a decade old or so.

> I have a HP JetDirect EX Plus attached to my HP LaserJet 6MP, and the
> printer has continued to work through every version of Mac OS X up to
> and including 10.8.2. After I upgraded from 10.5 to 10.6 I had to stop
> using AppleTalk and switched to the "JetDirect Socket" protocol.

> USB to parallel adapters are generally problematic, due to lack of Mac
> drivers or compatibility issues.

> The other option for Mac OS X 10.5.8 (but not later verisons) is an
> Ethernet to LocalTalk adapter (made by Farallon?), which would plug into
> the serial port on the LaserJet 6MP. These only support the AppleTalk
> printing protocol, and AppleTalk was dropped by Mac OS X 10.6. They are
> also much slower than connecting to the parallel port.

Yeah, but that requires leaving a computer on which we don't want to do.
Hence, the direct cable connections.

Ah.

> Apple has a page listing all the printer and scanner models supported by
> the drivers they supply in Mac OS X 10.6 and later:

> http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3669

> The HP LaserJet 6MP is supported via the Apple-supplied drivers.

Ah cool, it says "HP LaserJet 6P/6MP" which is perfect. Now, the hard
part is to connect to it. Darn, he would have to get a power AC (running
out of outlets even though multiple strips!) big addon to connect
instead of a basic adapter for USB and parallel cables. :(
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 More options Oct 23 2012, 9:40 am
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From: Ant <a...@zimage.comANT>
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 06:40:57 -0700
Local: Tues, Oct 23 2012 9:40 am
Subject: Re: Connect an old parallel HP LaserJet 6P printer to MacBook Pros (Mac OS X 10.5.8 and 10.8.2)?
On 10/23/2012 6:22 AM PT, Mark Storkamp typed:

 > You can get a parallel to ethernet printer server on Amazon for about

> 37USD. I've used USB versions in the past with good results.

Which ones did you used? Do they all require power AC outlets since my
client is running low on power outlets even with multiple power strips.
Heh. Or is running off a powered USB ports enough?
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From: Ant <a...@zimage.comANT>
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 06:44:16 -0700
Local: Tues, Oct 23 2012 9:44 am
Subject: Re: Connect an old parallel HP LaserJet 6P printer to MacBook Pros (Mac OS X 10.5.8 and 10.8.2)?
On 10/23/2012 6:40 AM PT, Ant typed:

 >> You can get a parallel to ethernet printer server on Amazon for about

>> 37USD. I've used USB versions in the past with good results.

> Which ones did you used? Do they all require power AC outlets since my
> client is running low on power outlets even with multiple power strips.
> Heh. Or is running off a powered USB ports enough?

Also, is there a wireless service type? This old printer is far away
from the router and switch.
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 More options Oct 23 2012, 10:59 am
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From: Paul Sture <nos...@sture.ch>
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 16:53:48 +0200
Local: Tues, Oct 23 2012 10:53 am
Subject: Re: Connect an old parallel HP LaserJet 6P printer to MacBook Pros (Mac OS X 10.5.8 and 10.8.2)?
In article <eKSdnfxR4_8EBxvNnZ2dnUVZ_oOdn...@earthlink.com>,

I can see plenty on ebay, but when I was looking a few years ago, the
proper HP JetDirect card for my printer was 250-300 USD (estimate
because exchange rates have changed - it was certainly a sticker shock
price for me).

> > A parallel port to ethernet adaptor, known as a "Print Server" is much
> > cheaper.

> > Here's one example:

> > <http://www.trendnet.com/products/proddetail.asp?status=view&prod=220_...
> > P1P>

> Interesting. Is there a wireless version since the router/switch is far
> away from the old printer? What about Infrared?

<http://compnetworking.about.com/od/wireless/ss/wirelessgear_4.htm>

but the example there is only for USB printers.

I suggest you Google (Or Bing or whatever) for

"wireless print server" and see what you get.

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From: Paul Sture <nos...@sture.ch>
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 17:24:17 +0200
Local: Tues, Oct 23 2012 11:24 am
Subject: Re: Connect an old parallel HP LaserJet 6P printer to MacBook Pros (Mac OS X 10.5.8 and 10.8.2)?
In article <slrnk8dac9.31hs.g.kr...@mbp55.local>,

Yep. Over $250 when I looked.  Too much.

> Still, a modern MFC is a great deal. The duplex printing alone saves me
> a ton of money.

My Brother probably saves a lot of power over my old HP LaserJet.  It
doesn't have the huge power brick that the HP had and goes into a deep
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From: Andreas Rutishauser <andr...@macandreas.ch>
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 06:45:17 +0200
Local: Wed, Oct 24 2012 12:45 am
Subject: Re: Connect an old parallel HP LaserJet 6P printer to MacBook Pros (Mac OS X 10.5.8 and 10.8.2)?
In article <Zcydnf7p1_aNqBvNnZ2dnUVZ_j-dn...@earthlink.com>,

I know, that is what the d-link was for, or the JetDirects et al that
are mentioned in other posts.
Infrared requires that feature on both sides. If I remember correctly
Apple discontinued support of features other than Apple Remote with the
introduction of the Apple Remote...

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 More options Oct 24 2012, 1:17 am
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From: YourN...@YourISP.com (Your Name)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 18:17:48 +1300
Local: Wed, Oct 24 2012 1:17 am
Subject: Re: Connect an old parallel HP LaserJet 6P printer to MacBook Pros (Mac OS X 10.5.8 and 10.8.2)?
In article <andreas-DCA254.06451724102...@news.individual.de>, Andreas

The brief fad of infrared printing disappeared (mostly on HP printers).
It's been superceeded by wireless protocols. Infrared needs line-of-sight,
which always made it rather a clumsy, silly system.

 
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From: myfathersson <licensedtoqu...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 20:05:17 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Oct 26 2012 11:05 pm
Subject: Re: Connect an old parallel HP LaserJet 6P printer to MacBook Pros (Mac OS X 10.5.8 and 10.8.2)?
Could be I am a bit eccentric but I do pretty much exactly this with a VM.

I installed Fusion and Windows 98 (or whatever you prefer) under it.

Then I install the printer with an USB to parallel converter which everyone here knows wont work with any later flavour of OSX but which WILL work with Windows 98.

You just open up 98 in a VM, plug in the converter and install the driver for it. there arent any newer drivers but you dont want a new driver, you want the OLD driver!

Then plug in the printer and Hey Presto!

BTW Those old HP laserjets were built like rocks but had a fault: The rubber rollers decompose over time and start to break down.  this was worse when I last checked a few years ago on a 6MP than the 5MP. I suppose they went over to using cheaper rubber at that time.

BTW remember, you will have to install (for example) Office 97 and re-save all your documents in the correct format and print from there. But you may well save a ton of money before the printer gives out.

And those huge toner cartridges are dirt cheap, aren't they!


 
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From: Andrew Smallshaw <andr...@sdf.lonestar.org>
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 05:26:54 +0000 (UTC)
Local: Sat, Oct 27 2012 1:26 am
Subject: Re: Connect an old parallel HP LaserJet 6P printer to MacBook Pros (Mac OS X 10.5.8 and 10.8.2)?
On 2012-10-23, Paul Sture <nos...@sture.ch> wrote:

> In article <slrnk8dac9.31hs.g.kr...@mbp55.local>,
>  Lewis <g.kr...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

>> In message <mstorkamp-88A0A7.08225623102...@news.eternal-september.org>
>>   Mark Storkamp <mstork...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > You can get a parallel to ethernet printer server on Amazon for about
>> > 37USD.

>> For an HP printer? The last time I tried to get an ethernet thingy for
>> an HP printer is was well over $150, and I think over $250.

> Yep. Over $250 when I looked.  Too much.

He was talking about a generic ethernet<->parallel interface, not
a printer-specific JetDirect card.  The former are a lot cheaper
since they are much more of a commodity item.  The Netgear PS-101
is probably the most famous example but there are others usch as
this one:

http://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-AC-TL-PS110P-Single-Parall/dp/B003CFATR...

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 More options Oct 27 2012, 11:44 am
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From: Ant <a...@zimage.comANT>
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 08:44:05 -0700
Local: Sat, Oct 27 2012 11:44 am
Subject: Re: Connect an old parallel HP LaserJet 6P printer to MacBook Pros (Mac OS X 10.5.8 and 10.8.2)?
That's not worth it. He just wanted to print directly from his latest
Mac softwares to his old parallel laser printer. Oh well. :(

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From: Ant <a...@zimage.comANT>
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 12:47:17 -0800
Local: Fri, Jan 18 2013 3:47 pm
Subject: Re: Connect an old parallel HP LaserJet 6P printer to MacBook Pros (Mac OS X 10.5.8 and 10.8.2)?
On 10/23/2012 12:17 AM PT, David Empson typed:

> USB to parallel adapters are generally problematic, due to lack of Mac
> drivers or compatibility issues.

So, no USB to parallel adapters work well under Mac OS X with old
parallel printers? Interesting.
http://www.amazon.com/Sabrent-SBT-UPPC-Parallel-6-Foot-Printer/dp/B00...
says it works with Macs, but how well?
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From: Ron Lee <rgl4...@earthlink.net>
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 16:12:20 -0500
Local: Fri, Jan 18 2013 4:12 pm
Subject: Re: Connect an old parallel HP LaserJet 6P printer to MacBook Pros (Mac OS X 10.5.8 and 10.8.2)?
In article <o-qdnXnHXeZIKWTNnZ2dnUVZ_i2dn...@earthlink.com>,

 Ant <a...@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> On 10/23/2012 12:17 AM PT, David Empson typed:

> > USB to parallel adapters are generally problematic, due to lack of Mac
> > drivers or compatibility issues.

> So, no USB to parallel adapters work well under Mac OS X with old
> parallel printers? Interesting.
> http://www.amazon.com/Sabrent-SBT-UPPC-Parallel-6-Foot-Printer/dp/B00...
> says it works with Macs, but how well?

I don't know about this cable, but I have been using an Epson cable (USB
to parallel) with a Stylus Photo 700 printer for years. It has moved
from G4 to G5 to 2011 iMac with no problems.

 
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From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spam...@vaxination.ca>
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 18:03:55 -0500
Local: Fri, Jan 18 2013 6:03 pm
Subject: Re: Connect an old parallel HP LaserJet 6P printer to MacBook Pros (Mac OS X 10.5.8 and 10.8.2)?

>> So, no USB to parallel adapters work well under Mac OS X with old
>> parallel printers? Interesting.
>> http://www.amazon.com/Sabrent-SBT-UPPC-Parallel-6-Foot-Printer/dp/B00...
>> says it works with Macs, but how well?

In my case, I have USB-> Serial adaptor.

Devices are created in /dev to point to serial ports.  OS-X has drivers
to talk to serial devices, but CUPS (the printing subsystem) did not.

"foomatic" came to the rescue (thanks to this newsgroup). It allows one
to specify a serial device in the printer destination (which includes
baud rates etc).

so in CUPS, the Connection can be set to:
Connection:    
serial:/dev2/matrix?baud=9600+bits=8+parity=none+flow=soft

( /dev2/matrix is an alias that points to the cryptic /dev serial port name)

Based on quick read, it shoudl also support parallel: URIs for printer
destinations.

You can read more about foomatic:

And the OS-X specific page:

Basically, you create a .PPD file that describes your printer and either
specify a ghostscript command (complete with all switches etc) to be
executed, or some built-in raster support for your printer.

When you print, the system the looks up the .PPD and feeds foomatic with
the postcript file and foomatic then invokes the config within the .PPD
to convert your postscript file to the printer's native format and then
spools it to the specified device.

I believe that for serial and parallel printers, the communication is
unidirectional. (for instance it won't interrogate your printer to find
what fonts are pre-loaded on it - thsi is something you can specify in
the .PPD for instance)


 
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From: Ant <a...@zimage.comANT>
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 23:08:30 -0800
Local: Tues, Jan 22 2013 2:08 am
Subject: Re: Connect an old parallel HP LaserJet 6P printer to MacBook Pros (Mac OS X 10.5.8 and 10.8.2)?
On 1/18/2013 1:15 PM PT, Michael Vilain typed:

> Buy it and try it. It's only $11.59 with shipping.  Report back on how
> well it works on what systems you tried it on.  Don't know how this will
> jive with the control signals and the rest.  If you print something to a
> parallel printer, the data comes over strobed at a certain rate or
> there's likely a "stop/start" sending data line.  Serial printers used
> XON/XOFF character protocol to do this.  I don't know how USB printers
> work but if it's just an extension of parallel printer, you might be
> half way there.  Inside MacOS X, the printing system just sends print
> file to a device.  If it's a USB printer, then it's a different sort of
> file than if it's a laser printer that uses Postscript or an emulator.

> Ultimately, inside MacOS X, you'd need a parallel port printer 'driver'
> to create the proper type of output to send to the device.

> You may end up sending this back, but try it and report to us.

OK, so we tried a GearHead parallel+USB adapter cable
(http://pcgearhead.com/iFrame/usb-hubs.php?PrdID=1217 ) from a local
retail store to replace the old parallel printer cable on two different
MacBook Pros (15" 2008 model with Mac OS X 10.5.8 and 13.3" mid-2012
model with Mac OS X 10.8.2). Both of them detected the printer correctly
(10.5.8 didn't even ask to download; 10.8.2 asked me to download HP
drivers first).

Print Tests in Mac OS X:

V10.5.8 seems to sit forever even though the printer was waiting. Here's
a screen shot/capture of it in action: http://i.imgur.com/ws9tRys.gif  ...

V10.8.2 actually prints, but it's all printer/computer codes or whatever
and nonstop even though it was only ONE page with one line ("test 123"
in Office's Word!). We had to shut the printer off to stop since Mac OS
X's printer options and disconnecting USB cable could stop it.

So, does this mean this won't work at all or something else? Thank you
in advance. :)
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From: Ant <a...@zimage.comANT>
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 06:24:07 -0800
Local: Tues, Jan 22 2013 9:24 am
Subject: Re: Connect an old parallel HP LaserJet 6P printer to MacBook Pros (Mac OS X 10.5.8 and 10.8.2)?
On 1/22/2013 5:58 AM PT, Michael Vilain typed:

 > This is what I suspected.  The printing system doesn't know how to

> create the proper output for the printer.  The 'drivers' work for serial
> or network attached printers but not parallel printers.

> The serial-to-parallel conversion boxes for UNIX boxes were more
> elaborate than a mere cable.  Since there's no more 'serial' ports on
> Mac, the ability to generate the proper output and send it to the
> printer seems to be limited to network transfer or direct transfer over
> USB.

So, the USB+parallel adapter description is false/inaccurate/misleading
to support old parallel printers?

> It's your call on how much time you want to spend to get this printer
> working.  Can you even still get parts for it?  At best, you might have
> to buy a PC with a parallel port, setup a print server in an older
> version of Windows that has remote printing features, and use that as a
> print server to use this machine.

> Or you could just recycle this printer and buy one that 'just works'.

Yeah, I told my client that others and I say using this printer isn't
worth it anymore since it is from the 1990s/90s. Yeah, it works like a
tank but it is time move on! He didn't want to do a print server either.
He just wanted a direct hookup to his MBPs. Whatever. Here, we proved it
that it failed on two MBPs with it.
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From: "Wayne C. Morris" <wayne.mor...@this.is.invalid>
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 09:20:32 -0600
Local: Tues, Jan 22 2013 10:20 am
Subject: Re: Connect an old parallel HP LaserJet 6P printer to MacBook Pros (Mac OS X 10.5.8 and 10.8.2)?
In article <vilain-14598E.05580322012...@news.individual.net>,
 Michael Vilain <vil...@NOspamcop.net> wrote:

I doubt that's the problem. A printer driver shouldn't know or care whether the
printer is serial, parallel, USB, or ethernet. It only has to translate the
output into the printer's special language.

My old HP 5MP is connected to a Windows PC. I have no problem printing to it
from my Mac (OS 10.6.8) -- EXCEPT when I try to print from Photoshop CS3, it
spits out pages and pages with a few lines of nonsense, like Ant reported
getting from Mac OS 10.8.2.


 
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From: Jim Janney <jjan...@shell.xmission.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 08:22:17 -0700
Local: Tues, Jan 22 2013 10:22 am
Subject: Re: Connect an old parallel HP LaserJet 6P printer to MacBook Pros (Mac OS X 10.5.8 and 10.8.2)?

Michael Vilain <vil...@NOspamcop.net> writes:
> It's your call on how much time you want to spend to get this printer
> working.  Can you even still get parts for it?  At best, you might have
> to buy a PC with a parallel port, setup a print server in an older
> version of Windows that has remote printing features, and use that as a
> print server to use this machine.

You can buy dedicated network print servers for under $50.  I used to
use a D-Link model that could be configured through an HTTP interface.
I had to set it up manually in CUPS but otherwise it worked well enough.

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