It seems as if HP massivly jacked up their prices over the past few months. The 96/97 combo went from US$67 to $74! I buy that the most, so it's hard to tell if others also went up.
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> It seems as if HP massivly jacked up their prices over the past few
> months. The 96/97 combo went from US$67 to $74! I buy that the most, so
> it's hard to tell if others also went up.
Yeah, and they are old too for older printers like my HP PhotoSmart 8450 printer. Good thing I rarely use it to print. Have you look at third parties (did this, but inks weren't that good) and refilling your own (never tried this)?
My future printer will be a more expensive laser. Inkjets are too expensive even if the printers are free!
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Andrew Rossmann wrote:
> It seems as if HP massivly jacked up their prices over the past few
> months. The 96/97 combo went from US$67 to $74! I buy that the most, so
> it's hard to tell if others also went up.
Staples has been running a series of sales with coupons, discounts,and rebates on H-P inks. In addition, they give a $2.00 credit for each empty cartridge turned in, up to a maximum of 10 cartridges per month. By buying their ink-only combopack (O2 inks)and turning in old cartridges, I do somewhat reduce the financial pain. One of the reasons that these O2 cartridges are expensive is that each one has a built-in head, eliminating clogged or damaged ink nozzles.
Don't misunderstand me, for I agree that these inks are much more expensive than they need to be. It is marketing 101, started by Gillette 100 years ago. Make the razors cheap or free,and then make big bucks selling a steady stream of razor blades.
stan.bi...@hotmail.com writes:
> >On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 16:02:52 -0600, Andrew Rossmann <andysnewsreply@no_junk.comcast.net> wrote:
> >It seems as if HP massivly jacked up their prices over the past few > >months. The 96/97 combo went from US$67 to $74! I buy that the most, so > >it's hard to tell if others also went up.
> Canon did the same thing, but instead of jacking the price, they made the ink cartridges a whole lot
> smaller.
> Until now, I've been a big fan of Canon printers. I bought an MG5220 to replace my failed almost new
> IP4800. The new Canons, not only have tiny tiny tiny ink cartridges, but Canon has also used opaque
> black plastic for the cartridges so you can't visually determine how much ink is left them.
> I only managed to get 25 8x10's before the printer was demanding a new set of cartridges!!
> No way I'll ever buy another set of cartridges for this albatross, nor any other Canon printer for
> that matter; until they come up with something a lot more attractive than their current offering!
> Meanwhile, I am immensely enjoying my new 27" HP computer monitor!!!!! :-)
Yes, I was pretty disappointed, to the point of giggling, when I saw those miniature carts in the shops.
On the other hand, a set of refill bottles and a chip resetter is all you need to keep things smooth, although it is of course a pain to refill more often.
I'm still happy with my MP450, it has outlasted all the newer models so far. -- Gernot Hassenpflug
> > > >On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 16:02:52 -0600, Andrew Rossmann <andysnewsreply@no_junk.comcast.net> wrote:
> > > >It seems as if HP massivly jacked up their prices over the past few > > > >months. The 96/97 combo went from US$67 to $74! I buy that the most, so > > > >it's hard to tell if others also went up.
> > > Canon did the same thing, but instead of jacking the price, they made the ink cartridges a whole lot
> > > smaller.
> > > Until now, I've been a big fan of Canon printers. I bought an MG5220 to replace my failed almost new
> > > IP4800. The new Canons, not only have tiny tiny tiny ink cartridges, but Canon has also used opaque
> > > black plastic for the cartridges so you can't visually determine how much ink is left them.
> > > I only managed to get 25 8x10's before the printer was demanding a new set of cartridges!!
> > > No way I'll ever buy another set of cartridges for this albatross, nor any other Canon printer for
> > > that matter; until they come up with something a lot more attractive than their current offering!
> > > Meanwhile, I am immensely enjoying my new 27" HP computer monitor!!!!! :-)
> > Yes, I was pretty disappointed, to the point of giggling, when I saw those miniature carts in the shops.
> > On the other hand, a set of refill bottles and a chip resetter is all you need to keep things smooth, although it is of course a pain to refill more often.
> > I'm still happy with my MP450, it has outlasted all the newer models so far.
> I don't know how much you know about refilling, but if you can use the
> current newest *refillable* cartridge then it should be PAIN-FREE.
The short answer: not much!
In Japanese stores the products can be pretty variable, depending on
the pressure of the manufacturers on the retailers. For example, there
was a time when chip resetters were taboo.
I don't know about the refillable carts, I so far use the standard
method of drilling holes (or punching out the existing hole), filling
with thin-tipped bottle of ink, and taping the hole. Not messy per se,
but the bottom of the carts tend to leak when filling until the hole
is taped again.
> No messy, and depending on the printer (I am Epson user) you may not even
> have to remove the cartridge off the printer. But if you use the older
> catridge with *sponge* inside then I agree it's messy and pain.
> The new refillable ink cartridge has no sponge inside, so you just fill
> the ink up to the rim, no sponge to cause any bubble (air), and no sponge to
> cause dried ink building up. And they should have ARC (Auto Reset Chip) so
> you don't even have to mess with the Chip Resetter.
Interesting. I'm not sure if such carts are even available generally
in Tokyo, but I will have a look. 3rd part carts are often opaque so
one cannot see if there is a sponge or not. Some are clear, without
sponge, but I have had a bad experience with one of those where the
chip is never recognized by the printer (this is a BCI-7e type).
Never heard of the ARC before, I'll have to read up on that on the web.
> And if there is Chip Resetter for your cartridge then there should be
> *refillable* cartridge with built-in ARC. My epson uses 6-cartridges and it
> costs around $20-25 for 6 cartridges (I paid $20 some years ago and still
> going strong)
Very nice!
Thanks for your information, that makes me feel a lot better about the
possibilities for maintaining my printers cheaply in the future.
-- Gernot Hassenpflug
> And they should have ARC (Auto Reset Chip) so
> you don't even have to mess with the Chip Resetter.
I bought a set of refillable cartridges with seemed to have Auto Reset chips. These automatically set the level at "full" when you put them in the printer, and remembered how much ink you've used. However when you turn the printer off, the chips forget this ink level and revert to showing them as "full".
So there is no warning when the cartridges are about to run dry, except by taking them out of the printer and holding them up to the light! I was not willing to let them run until they stopped printing, as this wastes paper and can lead to a burnt-out print-head.
