DSPP/Alliance-1 PAKs

[VAXman-]

When I download these from the web site, I cannot find a VMS file format
which will allow me to execute them as a command file. There's a blank
line between every command making it impossible to execute as a procedure
to install the PAKs. Why can't these be made available as a PLAIN TEXT
file that VMS will be able to execute. I'm tiring of having to spent so
much time editing these so that they are usable.

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VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG

Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.

[Hein RMS van den Heuvel]

On Sunday, September 2, 2012 10:01:17 AM UTC-4, (unknown) wrote:
> When I download these from the web site, I cannot find a VMS file format
> which will allow me to execute them as a command file. There's a blank
> line between every command making it impossible to execute as a procedure
> to install the PAKs. Why can't these be made available as a PLAIN TEXT
> file that VMS will be able to execute. I'm tiring of having to spent so
> much time editing these so that they are usable.

Hmm, I don't remember having any trouble with them.
Just plain text. Certainly no mass edit needed.
I might have diddled the record attributes but that was weeks ago.
Did you check with DUMP/RECO=COUNT=3 or similar? Maybe bonus CR?
You can have RMS 'eat' those with SET FILE/ATTR=RFM=STM instead of STMLF
Cheers,
Hein.

[Steven Schweda]

This might be slightly more relevant than laptop fastener
hardware, but a casual reader might wonder why you seem
unable to find an appropriate forum for your questions. Why
not ask the people who supply the bad hardware/software/data?

> [...] I cannot find [...]

Not a useful description of what you tried. Combined with
no example of the original file, what do you expect to get
here?

> [...] I'm tiring of [...]

I'm tired of some things, too, but you keep posting them
anyway.

[VAXman-]

I tried all stream format Hein and various permutations of the record
attributes too. What I finally managed to do was use some simple DCL
to read in the records, skip the blank line, and write it back out.
Then, EDITT/TECO EX$$ to purge the remaining mess.

[VAXman-]

In article <631495bb-8c74-47dc...@k17g2000yqp.googlegroups.com>, Steven Schweda <sms.an...@gmail.com> writes:
> This might be slightly more relevant than laptop fastener
>hardware, but a casual reader might wonder why you seem
>unable to find an appropriate forum for your questions. Why
>not ask the people who supply the bad hardware/software/data?

Well, since the old PAKs expired on 31-Aug, I asked HP but I have not
received any response. This is a long US holidy weekend, so I do not
expect a response from HP. I do, however, have work to do regardless
of other's observations of first weekend in September holidays.

>> [...] I cannot find [...]
>
> Not a useful description of what you tried. Combined with
>no example of the original file, what do you expect to get
>here?

Tried all the permutations of RFM and RAT to no avail. I could, if
you really want me to, list those permutations.

>> [...] I'm tiring of [...]
>
> I'm tired of some things, too, but you keep posting them
>anyway.

Then go to sleep.

[Marc Van Dyck]

As far as I remember, I had the command file from the HP web site
with all LICENSE commands in it, displayed on my screen, opened an
e-mail, copied and pasted the whole stuff in it, and sent it to one
of my system engineers. He just displayed the mail, copy and paste
in his terminal emulation window, and that was it. No mess with file
attributes or any other fuss...

--
Marc Van Dyck

[Stephen Hoffman]

Not sure what VAXman is encountering, but for grins, I sed'd the HP
files to remove the ^M characters through the file, cut-n-pasted the
core three PAKs over using the console serial line, started IP, and
transferred the sed'd files over via ftp, and successfully loaded them.

There's a spurious doubled ^M^J at the end of the files, if you want to
remove that separately.

--
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[Stephen Hoffman]

On 2012-09-02 16:41:21 +0000, Stephen Hoffman said:

> Not sure what VAXman is encountering, but for grins, I sed'd the HP
> files to remove the ^M characters through the file, cut-n-pasted the
> core three PAKs over using the console serial line, started IP, and
> transferred the sed'd files over via ftp, and successfully loaded them.
>
> There's a spurious doubled ^M^J at the end of the files, if you want to
> remove that separately.

sed -e 's/^M//g' input > output

Use ^V to escape the ^M character.

[Bill Gunshannon]

In article <00AC6C8B...@sendspamhere.org>,

VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:
> In article <631495bb-8c74-47dc...@k17g2000yqp.googlegroups.com>, Steven Schweda <sms.an...@gmail.com> writes:
>> This might be slightly more relevant than laptop fastener
>>hardware, but a casual reader might wonder why you seem
>>unable to find an appropriate forum for your questions. Why
>>not ask the people who supply the bad hardware/software/data?
>
> Well, since the old PAKs expired on 31-Aug, I asked HP but I have not
> received any response. This is a long US holidy weekend, so I do not
> expect a response from HP. I do, however, have work to do regardless
> of other's observations of first weekend in September holidays.
>

I didn't know it was a holiday in India, too...

bill

--
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bill...@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.
University of Scranton |
Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include <std.disclaimer.h>

[VAXman-]

In article <k2027h$mkc$1...@dont-email.me>, Stephen Hoffman <seao...@hoffmanlabs.invalid> writes:
>
>Not sure what VAXman is encountering, but for grins, I sed'd the HP
>files to remove the ^M characters through the file, cut-n-pasted the
>core three PAKs over using the console serial line, started IP, and
>transferred the sed'd files over via ftp, and successfully loaded them.

After spending some time looking atthe differences with 'xxd' and VMS
DUMP, I hit on this to fix the file BEFORE I transfered it to VMS. I
assume the problem is HP's WEENDOZE myopia with the CR and LF.

$ tr -d '\r' < ALLIANCE-1-VMS-130531.TXT > ALLIANCE-1-VMS-130531.COM

I then sftp'ed the ALLIANCE-1-VMS-130531.COM without the issues that
I was seeing before.

[VAXman-]

In article <aahhdk...@mid.individual.net>, bill...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:
>In article <00AC6C8B...@sendspamhere.org>,
> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:
>> In article <631495bb-8c74-47dc...@k17g2000yqp.googlegroups.com>, Steven Schweda <sms.an...@gmail.com> writes:
>>> This might be slightly more relevant than laptop fastener
>>>hardware, but a casual reader might wonder why you seem
>>>unable to find an appropriate forum for your questions. Why
>>>not ask the people who supply the bad hardware/software/data?
>>
>> Well, since the old PAKs expired on 31-Aug, I asked HP but I have not
>> received any response. This is a long US holidy weekend, so I do not
>> expect a response from HP. I do, however, have work to do regardless
>> of other's observations of first weekend in September holidays.
>>
>
>I didn't know it was a holiday in India, too...

I don't believe that HP's DSPP/Alliance-1 program is managed or maintained
by any parts of HP with east longitudinal coordinates.

[Stephen Hoffman]

On 2012-09-02 17:54:59 +0000, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG said:


> $ tr -d '\r' < ALLIANCE-1-VMS-130531.TXT > ALLIANCE-1-VMS-130531.COM

Yeah; I'd tried that, too, and that worked fine. (There's still that
doubled 0d0a at the end.) tr isn't in GNV, so I didn't include that
in the reply.

[Hans Vlems]

They come in plain text attachments. Linux mangles them, so I ftp the
text file
to a VMS system and use EDIT/EDT to correct the contents. It is one
substitution and
many repeat commands, which EDT does rather well with a few keypad
commands.
Hans

[VAXman-]

In article <767e3852-76a3-4d0b...@f17g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>, Hans Vlems <hvl...@freenet.de> writes:
>On 2 sep, 16:01, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:
>> When I download these from the web site, I cannot find a VMS file format

>> which will allow me to execute them as a command file. =A0There's a blank

>> line between every command making it impossible to execute as a procedure

>> to install the PAKs. =A0Why can't these be made available as a PLAIN TEXT
>> file that VMS will be able to execute. =A0I'm tiring of having to spent s=

>o
>> much time editing these so that they are usable.
>>
>> --

>> VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker =A0 =A0VAXman(at)TMESIS(=

>dot)ORG
>>
>> Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
>
>They come in plain text attachments.

I don't know how your PAK mechanism works there but here in the US the
PAKs are downloaded from a web site; not emailed as attachments.

> Linux mangles them, so I ftp the text file
>to a VMS system and use EDIT/EDT to correct the contents.

Linux isn't mangling them.

> It is one
>substitution and
>many repeat commands, which EDT does rather well with a few keypad
>commands.

I posted two messages yesterday. One was that a simple DCL procedure to
ignore the extra <CR> (blank line) worked as well as using the linux 'tr'
command (translate or delete characters) to remove that extraneous <CR>
before sending it to VMS. In the future, I'll probably just use the 'tr'
because what is then deposited on VMS is immediately usable because it
shows up as a proper STREAM_LF file.

[hb]

On 09/02/12 20:08, Stephen Hoffman wrote:
> tr isn't in GNV, so I didn't include that in
> the reply.

Which version of GNV?

$ ty gnv$gnu:[lib]gnv_version.txt
GNVDEV:[GNV.CVSKIT_2007-10-25]DEC-AXPVMS-GNV-V0201-002-1.PCSI$DESCRIPTION;10
20-DEC-2007 15:38:28.41
GNVDEV:[GNV.CVSKIT_2007-10-25]HP-I64VMS-GNV-V0201-002-1.PCSI$DESCRIPTION;13
20-DEC-2007 15:38:26.54
$
$ dir gnv$gnu:[bin]tr

Directory GNV$GNU:[bin]

tr.;1 TR.EXE;1

Total of 2 files.

$ mc gnv$gnu:[bin]tr. "here" "HERE"
here it is!
HERE it is!
[ Exit ]
$

[Stephen Hoffman]

On 2012-09-03 15:47:56 +0000, hb said:

> On 09/02/12 20:08, Stephen Hoffman wrote:
>> tr isn't in GNV, so I didn't include that in
>> the reply.
>
> Which version of GNV?

Nevermind. It's there. I'm clearly spending way too much time reading
Unix directory listings.

[Wilm Boerhout]

VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG mentioned on 3-9-2012 12:59:

> In article <767e3852-76a3-4d0b...@f17g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>, Hans Vlems <hvl...@freenet.de> writes:
>> On 2 sep, 16:01, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:
>>> When I download these from the web site, I cannot find a VMS file format
>>> which will allow me to execute them as a command file. =A0There's a blank
>>> line between every command making it impossible to execute as a procedure
>>> to install the PAKs. =A0Why can't these be made available as a PLAIN TEXT
>>> file that VMS will be able to execute. =A0I'm tiring of having to spent s=
>> o
>>> much time editing these so that they are usable.
>>>
>>> --
>>> VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker =A0 =A0VAXman(at)TMESIS(=
>> dot)ORG
>>>
>>> Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
>>
>> They come in plain text attachments.
>
> I don't know how your PAK mechanism works there but here in the US the
> PAKs are downloaded from a web site; not emailed as attachments.

[snipped]

Just this morning, I did the following:

Visit www.hp.com/go/paks and logged in with my HP Passport. A few clicks
displays the VMS PAK.COM as a text file. CTRL/A CTRL/C (yes, this is
Windows) puts the text into the paste buffer.

Then fire up a puttY session to the OPA0 console of my VAX/Alpha, and
EDIT /TPU NEWPAKS.COM. In the empty file, right mouseclick in puTTY to
paste the buffer, and I have a DCL script in seconds.

On other platforms, YMMV.

/Wilm

[VAXman-]

Not exactly how I got to it but your method gets me to the same place.

I selected the "OpenVMS for HP Alpha servers - access key" link.

Then I get the legalooze with [Disagree>>] [Agree>>] buttons. Clicked
on [Agree>>].

I'm then brought back to what looks like the original "OpenVMS for HP
Alpha servers - access key" page and link, which forces a "download"
dialog box to save the file.

So, when I click "OpenVMS for HP Alpha servers - access key", it forces
a download. Regardless, that's an FN kludge to get a file transferred
to VMS that you use. sftp'ing to VMS should work. Nobody should have
to dick about with stupid WEENDOZE cut-n-paste kludges!

--
VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG

[JF Mezei]

VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:
>
> So, when I click "OpenVMS for HP Alpha servers - access key", it forces
> a download.

It is likely that because it is a .COM, HP sends it you you as the
microsoft "application/octet-stream" which standards compliant browsers
will handle by saving it since they couldn't know what do do with a
binary blob.

You'd have to do a wireshark trace to see what the HTTP transaction is
like and then convince your favourite company to change their handling
of .COM to be sent as text/ascii instead.

If this were a static unproteted page, you could write your own HTML to
link to the page and specify the content type in the
<a href="http://www.chocolate.com" type="ascii/text">
Click here for nourishement
</a>

[VAXman-]

In article <504557b5$0$44636$c3e8da3$9dec...@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> writes:
>VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:
>>
>> So, when I click "OpenVMS for HP Alpha servers - access key", it forces
>> a download.
>
>It is likely that because it is a .COM, HP sends it you you as the
>microsoft "application/octet-stream" which standards compliant browsers
>will handle by saving it since they couldn't know what do do with a
>binary blob.

It's a .TXT file.

[Richard Maher]

"Wilm Boerhout" <wboerhou...@this-gmail.com> wrote in message
news:k231ut$vc8$1...@speranza.aioe.org...

Same here. Same as every year.

>
> /Wilm

Cheers Richard Maher
>
>