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badger007
Aug 3, 2012, 9:47:39 PM8/3/12
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Hello This is badger007 back to being a badger
I am installing alpha vms 8.3 on the charon as400 freeware that is good until dec 31 i might get it going by then.
I am working on alphavm but having port problems with it and i am tired of problems.
I really dont understand option 2 on the main menu of the uxc on the alpha .. it makes you post a domain. I dont have a local domain
It makes you use dhcp and i need a static ip for my router
the alias option dont really understand how to use that one.
if someone can explain that to me. I can get "ALPHA1" running ip and then we can get down to business of trying to get dec windows working.
load dec basic, c, pascal, fortran
badger007
pr...@yahoo.com
if anyone would wish to communicate with me on a more personal level please email me i will send you requested information to contact me. but i will not give out my social security number like that guy did on the commercial with the semi trucks got his hacked
I am installing alpha vms 8.3 on the charon as400 freeware that is good until dec 31 i might get it going by then.
I am working on alphavm but having port problems with it and i am tired of problems.
I really dont understand option 2 on the main menu of the uxc on the alpha .. it makes you post a domain. I dont have a local domain
It makes you use dhcp and i need a static ip for my router
the alias option dont really understand how to use that one.
if someone can explain that to me. I can get "ALPHA1" running ip and then we can get down to business of trying to get dec windows working.
load dec basic, c, pascal, fortran
badger007
pr...@yahoo.com
if anyone would wish to communicate with me on a more personal level please email me i will send you requested information to contact me. but i will not give out my social security number like that guy did on the commercial with the semi trucks got his hacked
Stephen Hoffman
Aug 3, 2012, 10:16:34 PM8/3/12
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On 2012-08-04 01:47:39 +0000, badger007 said:
> I am working on alphavm but having port problems with it and i am tired
> of problems.
OpenVMS might disappoint you there, then. Some OpenVMS configurations
> I am working on alphavm but having port problems with it and i am tired
> of problems.
and tools can get pretty gnarly, and emulators tend to be some of the
tougher configurations.
> I really dont understand option 2 on the main menu of the uxc on the alpha ..
of a server system. Most (all?) servers ask for this information
during a set-up, too.
> it makes you post a domain.
> I dont have a local domain
proud "owner" of the .badger top-level domain (TLD)! Free!!!!!
Yes, you now have the domain lab.badger, and the host name vms.lab.badger!
This is great!!!! You have a domain!!!! Free!!!!!
Congratulations!!!!!!!!! Isn't this KEWL?!?! Sure it is.
But seriously, so long as you don't use a top-level domain (.COM, .NET,
.ORG, .US, .UK, or the couple-hundred existing other top-level domains
(country codes, .museum, .arpa, and some others), then you can do
pretty much what you want here. On your own private NAT'd network,
that is.
And in this case, .badger is not a current top-level domain, so you can
have lab.badger and house.badger and hosts such as evil.empire.badger
and vms.lab.badger, or whatever underneath the .badger TLD. Easy, yes?
There you go, you even now grok a little bit more about how DNS works,
too.
In reality, you will want to register a domain for yourself. That's
cheap, and it avoids the hassles of not having a domain.
The .badger domain won't work off your network, of course, and - if you
want to actually make use of your new local-bogus-private top-level
.badger domain - then you can set up DNS on your local network, either
on OpenVMS or another DNS-capable server. Get your own registered
domain. But for hackery, your .badger TLD will work.
>
> It makes you use dhcp and i need a static ip for my router
--
Pure Personal Opinion | HoffmanLabs LLC
VAXman-
Aug 4, 2012, 9:23:16 AM8/4/12
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In article <jvi0m2$fjd$1...@dont-email.me>, Stephen Hoffman <seao...@hoffmanlabs.invalid> writes:
>On 2012-08-04 01:47:39 +0000, badger007 said:
>
>> I am working on alphavm but having port problems with it and i am tired
>> of problems.
>
>OpenVMS might disappoint you there, then. Some OpenVMS configurations
>and tools can get pretty gnarly, and emulators tend to be some of the
>tougher configurations.
>
>> I really dont understand option 2 on the main menu of the uxc on the alpha ..
>
>Well, this is really a generic IP question, and is a question typical
>of a server system. Most (all?) servers ask for this information
>during a set-up, too.
>
>> it makes you post a domain.
>
>Yep. Servers have host names and domain names.
>
>> I dont have a local domain
>
>Well, yes, you do. Sure, you do! Congratulations, you're now the
>proud "owner" of the .badger top-level domain (TLD)! Free!!!!!
>
>Yes, you now have the domain lab.badger, and the host name vms.lab.badger!
>
>This is great!!!! You have a domain!!!! Free!!!!!
>Congratulations!!!!!!!!! Isn't this KEWL?!?! Sure it is.
>
>But seriously, so long as you don't use a top-level domain (.COM, .NET,
>..ORG, .US, .UK, or the couple-hundred existing other top-level domains
>On 2012-08-04 01:47:39 +0000, badger007 said:
>
>> I am working on alphavm but having port problems with it and i am tired
>> of problems.
>
>OpenVMS might disappoint you there, then. Some OpenVMS configurations
>and tools can get pretty gnarly, and emulators tend to be some of the
>tougher configurations.
>
>> I really dont understand option 2 on the main menu of the uxc on the alpha ..
>
>Well, this is really a generic IP question, and is a question typical
>of a server system. Most (all?) servers ask for this information
>during a set-up, too.
>
>> it makes you post a domain.
>
>Yep. Servers have host names and domain names.
>
>> I dont have a local domain
>
>Well, yes, you do. Sure, you do! Congratulations, you're now the
>proud "owner" of the .badger top-level domain (TLD)! Free!!!!!
>
>Yes, you now have the domain lab.badger, and the host name vms.lab.badger!
>
>This is great!!!! You have a domain!!!! Free!!!!!
>Congratulations!!!!!!!!! Isn't this KEWL?!?! Sure it is.
>
>But seriously, so long as you don't use a top-level domain (.COM, .NET,
>(country codes, .museum, .arpa, and some others), then you can do
>pretty much what you want here. On your own private NAT'd network,
>that is.
>
>And in this case, .badger is not a current top-level domain, so you can
>have lab.badger and house.badger and hosts such as evil.empire.badger
>and vms.lab.badger, or whatever underneath the .badger TLD. Easy, yes?
> There you go, you even now grok a little bit more about how DNS works,
>too.
>
>In reality, you will want to register a domain for yourself. That's
>cheap, and it avoids the hassles of not having a domain.
>
>The .badger domain won't work off your network, of course, and - if you
>want to actually make use of your new local-bogus-private top-level
>..badger domain - then you can set up DNS on your local network, either
>pretty much what you want here. On your own private NAT'd network,
>that is.
>
>And in this case, .badger is not a current top-level domain, so you can
>have lab.badger and house.badger and hosts such as evil.empire.badger
>and vms.lab.badger, or whatever underneath the .badger TLD. Easy, yes?
> There you go, you even now grok a little bit more about how DNS works,
>too.
>
>In reality, you will want to register a domain for yourself. That's
>cheap, and it avoids the hassles of not having a domain.
>
>The .badger domain won't work off your network, of course, and - if you
>want to actually make use of your new local-bogus-private top-level
>on OpenVMS or another DNS-capable server. Get your own registered
>domain. But for hackery, your .badger TLD will work.
>
>
>>
>> It makes you use dhcp and i need a static ip for my router
>
>OpenVMS does not work well with DHCP. Use static HP.
That's the HP that's not going anywhere?
>domain. But for hackery, your .badger TLD will work.
>
>
>>
>> It makes you use dhcp and i need a static ip for my router
>
>OpenVMS does not work well with DHCP. Use static HP.
--
VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG
Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
Paul Sture
Aug 4, 2012, 9:56:35 AM8/4/12
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On Fri, 03 Aug 2012 20:47:39 -0500, badger007 wrote:
> Hello This is badger007 back to being a badger
Hello badger.
> Hello This is badger007 back to being a badger
>
> I really dont understand option 2 on the main menu of the uxc on the
> alpha .. it makes you post a domain. I dont have a local domain
>
> It makes you use dhcp and i need a static ip for my router
>
> the alias option dont really understand how to use that one.
IP address back in 2000. This was with earlier versions of both VMS and
TCP/IP Services and the dialogues have changed, but there was sufficient
information there to get me going with more up to date versions.
Configuring TCP/IP Services from scratch via TCPIP$CONFIG.COM and using
the menus:
http://openvms.sture.ch/tcpip_config.txt
Configuring TCP/IP Services from scratch, but using CLI commands to set
up the gateway and DNS entries:
http://openvms.sture.ch/tcpip_config_partial.txt
John E. Malmberg
Aug 4, 2012, 3:45:57 PM8/4/12
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On 8/4/2012 8:56 AM, Paul Sture wrote:
> I have logs of the sessions I used to set up TCP/IP services with a fixed
> IP address back in 2000. This was with earlier versions of both VMS and
> TCP/IP Services and the dialogues have changed, but there was sufficient
> information there to get me going with more up to date versions.
>
>
> Configuring TCP/IP Services from scratch via TCPIP$CONFIG.COM and using
> the menus:
>
> http://openvms.sture.ch/tcpip_config.txt
>
> Configuring TCP/IP Services from scratch, but using CLI commands to set
> up the gateway and DNS entries:
>
> http://openvms.sture.ch/tcpip_config_partial.txt
Paul, can I copy your configuration logs to the vms-ports sourceforge
> I have logs of the sessions I used to set up TCP/IP services with a fixed
> IP address back in 2000. This was with earlier versions of both VMS and
> TCP/IP Services and the dialogues have changed, but there was sufficient
> information there to get me going with more up to date versions.
>
>
> Configuring TCP/IP Services from scratch via TCPIP$CONFIG.COM and using
> the menus:
>
> http://openvms.sture.ch/tcpip_config.txt
>
> Configuring TCP/IP Services from scratch, but using CLI commands to set
> up the gateway and DNS entries:
>
> http://openvms.sture.ch/tcpip_config_partial.txt
forum?
https://sourceforge.net/p/vms-ports/wiki/Home/
Or you can join the forum and help get it started?
We need all the help that we can get.
Regards,
-John
wb8...@qsl.network
Personal Opinion Only
Paul Sture
Aug 5, 2012, 10:50:42 AM8/5/12
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On Sat, 04 Aug 2012 14:45:57 -0500, John E. Malmberg wrote:
> On 8/4/2012 8:56 AM, Paul Sture wrote:
>
>> I have logs of the sessions I used to set up TCP/IP services with a
>> fixed IP address back in 2000. This was with earlier versions of both
>> VMS and TCP/IP Services and the dialogues have changed, but there was
>> sufficient information there to get me going with more up to date
>> versions.
>>
>>
>> Configuring TCP/IP Services from scratch via TCPIP$CONFIG.COM and using
>> the menus:
>>
>> http://openvms.sture.ch/tcpip_config.txt
>>
>> Configuring TCP/IP Services from scratch, but using CLI commands to set
>> up the gateway and DNS entries:
>>
>> http://openvms.sture.ch/tcpip_config_partial.txt
>
> Paul, can I copy your configuration logs to the vms-ports sourceforge
> forum?
Certainly.
> On 8/4/2012 8:56 AM, Paul Sture wrote:
>
>> I have logs of the sessions I used to set up TCP/IP services with a
>> fixed IP address back in 2000. This was with earlier versions of both
>> VMS and TCP/IP Services and the dialogues have changed, but there was
>> sufficient information there to get me going with more up to date
>> versions.
>>
>>
>> Configuring TCP/IP Services from scratch via TCPIP$CONFIG.COM and using
>> the menus:
>>
>> http://openvms.sture.ch/tcpip_config.txt
>>
>> Configuring TCP/IP Services from scratch, but using CLI commands to set
>> up the gateway and DNS entries:
>>
>> http://openvms.sture.ch/tcpip_config_partial.txt
>
> Paul, can I copy your configuration logs to the vms-ports sourceforge
> forum?
> https://sourceforge.net/p/vms-ports/wiki/Home/
>
> Or you can join the forum and help get it started?
>
> We need all the help that we can get.
--
Paul Sture
badger007
Aug 5, 2012, 4:18:40 PM8/5/12
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i misspoke there. option 2 is the interface configuration area. option 1 does make you put in a domain name and will not start the ip service with out it, also it will not start unless dhcp is also activated and i need a static ip as i stated.
Badger007 doing what i do best .,, beat my head against the wall trying to make this 50 year old body riddled with arthritis and other ailments learn something new. Like teaching a 10 year old dog to fetch
--http://compgroups.net/comp.os.vms/alpha-vms-tcpip-questions/1519689
Badger007 doing what i do best .,, beat my head against the wall trying to make this 50 year old body riddled with arthritis and other ailments learn something new. Like teaching a 10 year old dog to fetch
--http://compgroups.net/comp.os.vms/alpha-vms-tcpip-questions/1519689
badger007
Aug 5, 2012, 4:19:05 PM8/5/12
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Pure Personal Opinion
I do GROK it .. I read stranger in a strange land my self loved his books. heheheheh
badger007
and man thanks for the free domain makes me fill well badgery
I do GROK it .. I read stranger in a strange land my self loved his books. heheheheh
badger007
and man thanks for the free domain makes me fill well badgery
badger007
Aug 5, 2012, 4:19:22 PM8/5/12
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Paul
That was vary kind of you to do this for me. I really thank you . i am working on it now. if something dont work then it has to be on the linux box. I need to reinstall that to .. again i have loaded and unload so much software that I may have some things really messed up... I will see. again Thanks if there is ever anything in my ability to do for you let me know Please
Badger007
Phil
pr...@yahoo.com
That was vary kind of you to do this for me. I really thank you . i am working on it now. if something dont work then it has to be on the linux box. I need to reinstall that to .. again i have loaded and unload so much software that I may have some things really messed up... I will see. again Thanks if there is ever anything in my ability to do for you let me know Please
Badger007
Phil
pr...@yahoo.com
badger007
Aug 5, 2012, 4:19:49 PM8/5/12
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Hello
Badger007 digging deep
i can ping alpha1(my alpha) from fedora but i can not ping trex(my fedora box) from alpha1. i cant telnet either direction or ftp i might have to do something to the fedora box to get it running .. what is your thoughts all
badger007
phil
pr...@yahoo.com
hey John My i email you privately
Badger007 digging deep
i can ping alpha1(my alpha) from fedora but i can not ping trex(my fedora box) from alpha1. i cant telnet either direction or ftp i might have to do something to the fedora box to get it running .. what is your thoughts all
badger007
phil
pr...@yahoo.com
hey John My i email you privately
badger007
Aug 5, 2012, 4:20:17 PM8/5/12
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Hello
I am now trying to use all the setup that paul sent me. I now have a subdomain i can use through no-ip. it is http://kingsplantation.no-ip.org the way i have this setup with a :23 on the end i think that is telnets port of the top of my head. Not much left up there now that i have been playing around with this emulator stuff.
Oh yes i grok it fine. (good author)
Badger007
pr...@yahoo.com
may i contact you via email
I am now trying to use all the setup that paul sent me. I now have a subdomain i can use through no-ip. it is http://kingsplantation.no-ip.org the way i have this setup with a :23 on the end i think that is telnets port of the top of my head. Not much left up there now that i have been playing around with this emulator stuff.
Oh yes i grok it fine. (good author)
Badger007
pr...@yahoo.com
may i contact you via email
John Wallace
Aug 5, 2012, 4:26:30 PM8/5/12
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you can actually see what traffic is coming in to and going out from
your Linux box.
Also, don't forget that "I cannot ping (whatever)" is less helpful
when troubleshooting like this than saying what you actually did (cut
+paste is good), and what actually happened (cut+paste is good).
Sometimes ping has helpful error messages, sometimes it doesn't.
badger007
Aug 5, 2012, 4:34:23 PM8/5/12
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Pure Personal Opinion
I have a personal opinion about the alpha vms. LOL .. I can not get the ip working to save my life. Can you give a blow by blow to set up the ip. my internal address for the alpha is 192.168.0.81 the host name is alpha1 the domain name is alpha1@badger
badger007 frustrated i dig a hole in the ground looking for treasure instead i find the leach line from the septic system. so i am waste deep in well you know...
that man not have been stranger in a strange land .. it has been a long time
I have a personal opinion about the alpha vms. LOL .. I can not get the ip working to save my life. Can you give a blow by blow to set up the ip. my internal address for the alpha is 192.168.0.81 the host name is alpha1 the domain name is alpha1@badger
badger007 frustrated i dig a hole in the ground looking for treasure instead i find the leach line from the septic system. so i am waste deep in well you know...
that man not have been stranger in a strange land .. it has been a long time
badger007
Aug 5, 2012, 5:05:42 PM8/5/12
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John
I am installing wire shark as we speak. I will let you know. Sorry about the telnet/ping explanation i will be more forth coming in the future .
badger007
I am in for a good storm here it looks like. just helps my arthritis like Not.
oh will such is life
I am installing wire shark as we speak. I will let you know. Sorry about the telnet/ping explanation i will be more forth coming in the future .
badger007
I am in for a good storm here it looks like. just helps my arthritis like Not.
oh will such is life
badger007
Aug 5, 2012, 5:05:42 PM8/5/12
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badger007
Aug 6, 2012, 6:17:01 PM8/6/12
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Hello
its badger007 he looks strange today he has his thinking hat on. It says and i quote "I Am The Brains Of This Operation"
I think i know what the problem is i am having with the alpha vms not seeing the network. It is the emulator from charon it is how it uses the emulator in the linux version. I dont know if this is ok i am the networking part of the manual here with this post. I have changed the /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-p6p1 script with vi to conform with the directions as i see it . I will post them here as well
the script files first i changed it but the system wrote it back to this state that before i changed it to conform with the directions. how do i change it permitly remember i am using fedora 17 it names the ether devices differently
the ifcfg-p6p1 network script
UUID="0061fee2-f8b2-4ca9-bb36-d498440f9c7a"
NM_CONTROLLED="yes"
BOOTPROTO=autoip
DEVICE="p6p1"
ONBOOT="yes"
TYPE=Ethernet
DEFROUTE=yes
IPV4_FAILURE_FATAL=no
IPV6INIT=no
NAME="System p6p1"
HWADDR=50:E5:49:D7:9B:80
there is a long version of the networking section of charon's as400_freeware alpha emulator networking section
Using network with CHARON-AXP/AS400 Freeware
Make sure there is one spare network interface, which is not used by the host operating system and other host software. The best way to do it on Fedora Core 15 – edit network card configuration script in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-ethN, where N is interface number, removing all IP-setup related parameters, so finally the file should look like:
# Intel Corporation 82540EM Gigabit Ethernet Controller
DEVICE=eth1
HWADDR=00:07:E9:17:DF:71
ONBOOT=no
Make sure also not to use this adapter in other networking daemons (see corresponding config files).
Attach to the network interface and start CHARON-AXP/AS400 Freeware:
$ CHARON_EWA0=eth1; export CHARON_EWA0
$ as400_freeware
Changing RAM size of virtual AlphaServer 400
Use CHARON_RAM_SIZE environment variable to specify desired RAM size in megabytes:
$ CHARON_RAM_SIZE=1024; export CHARON_RAM_SIZE
$ as400_freeware
If not specified with CHARON_RAM_SIZE environment variable, CHARON-AXP/AS400 Freeware creates virtual AlphaServer 400 with 256MB of RAM. Possible values for CHARON_RAM_SIZE environment variable are 256, 512, or 1024.
badger007
Guys i am so sorry i am having so many problems here. I really want this to work i want to set it up so others can request a log in and use it from the inter net on there pc's as well using ssh with dec windows if possible.. THANKS FOR ALL YOUR HELP SO FAR. I feel a little guilty to keep asking but if you all dont mind throwing help this way... it is greatly APPRECIATED. the caps are for emphases not yelling ok
its badger007 he looks strange today he has his thinking hat on. It says and i quote "I Am The Brains Of This Operation"
I think i know what the problem is i am having with the alpha vms not seeing the network. It is the emulator from charon it is how it uses the emulator in the linux version. I dont know if this is ok i am the networking part of the manual here with this post. I have changed the /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-p6p1 script with vi to conform with the directions as i see it . I will post them here as well
the script files first i changed it but the system wrote it back to this state that before i changed it to conform with the directions. how do i change it permitly remember i am using fedora 17 it names the ether devices differently
the ifcfg-p6p1 network script
UUID="0061fee2-f8b2-4ca9-bb36-d498440f9c7a"
NM_CONTROLLED="yes"
BOOTPROTO=autoip
DEVICE="p6p1"
ONBOOT="yes"
TYPE=Ethernet
DEFROUTE=yes
IPV4_FAILURE_FATAL=no
IPV6INIT=no
NAME="System p6p1"
HWADDR=50:E5:49:D7:9B:80
there is a long version of the networking section of charon's as400_freeware alpha emulator networking section
Using network with CHARON-AXP/AS400 Freeware
Make sure there is one spare network interface, which is not used by the host operating system and other host software. The best way to do it on Fedora Core 15 – edit network card configuration script in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-ethN, where N is interface number, removing all IP-setup related parameters, so finally the file should look like:
# Intel Corporation 82540EM Gigabit Ethernet Controller
DEVICE=eth1
HWADDR=00:07:E9:17:DF:71
ONBOOT=no
Make sure also not to use this adapter in other networking daemons (see corresponding config files).
Attach to the network interface and start CHARON-AXP/AS400 Freeware:
$ CHARON_EWA0=eth1; export CHARON_EWA0
$ as400_freeware
Changing RAM size of virtual AlphaServer 400
Use CHARON_RAM_SIZE environment variable to specify desired RAM size in megabytes:
$ CHARON_RAM_SIZE=1024; export CHARON_RAM_SIZE
$ as400_freeware
If not specified with CHARON_RAM_SIZE environment variable, CHARON-AXP/AS400 Freeware creates virtual AlphaServer 400 with 256MB of RAM. Possible values for CHARON_RAM_SIZE environment variable are 256, 512, or 1024.
badger007
Guys i am so sorry i am having so many problems here. I really want this to work i want to set it up so others can request a log in and use it from the inter net on there pc's as well using ssh with dec windows if possible.. THANKS FOR ALL YOUR HELP SO FAR. I feel a little guilty to keep asking but if you all dont mind throwing help this way... it is greatly APPRECIATED. the caps are for emphases not yelling ok
badger007
Aug 6, 2012, 6:17:01 PM8/6/12
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badger007
Aug 6, 2012, 6:24:46 PM8/6/12
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ooops very sorry very sorry .. i must have clicked more than once . anything else going to go wrong today
i am reading the fedora 17 manual now on networking and it scripts and stuff. so i am trying to learn all i can.
badger007 -3 clicks
i am reading the fedora 17 manual now on networking and it scripts and stuff. so i am trying to learn all i can.
badger007 -3 clicks
badger007
Aug 6, 2012, 6:33:41 PM8/6/12
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Hello again
I have changed the eth0 in the as400_freeware config with p6p1
badber007
someone here once said we dont need no stinking badgers i am starting to believe that
I have changed the eth0 in the as400_freeware config with p6p1
badber007
someone here once said we dont need no stinking badgers i am starting to believe that
badger007
Aug 7, 2012, 7:06:40 PM8/7/12
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Hello
I have managed to get the alphavm_free emulator going it runs a little different than charons stuff. I think i understand the way it uses the network cards in this one. We will see. I am installing vms as i type this. I will let you all know if tcpip works with this one correctly .. Or i understand it better. I hope i do ..
Badger007
Philip
I have managed to get the alphavm_free emulator going it runs a little different than charons stuff. I think i understand the way it uses the network cards in this one. We will see. I am installing vms as i type this. I will let you all know if tcpip works with this one correctly .. Or i understand it better. I hope i do ..
Badger007
Philip
badger007
Aug 9, 2012, 1:22:51 AM8/9/12
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Thanks for you help
it is not the vms setup it is my computer. it is the way fedora and the charon vms alpha emulator handle the network cards. I have switched over to alphavm_free i will try that for a change. I have it working. I will set up my computer differently. right now i have to different ways to setup dns's and that is a conflict .. i will work it out again thanks for your help I have saved your setup files to my harddrive and i will keep them safe. With your permission i would like to post them else ware i will give you all the credit if that is ok with you ...
Badger007
pr...@yahoo.com
it is not the vms setup it is my computer. it is the way fedora and the charon vms alpha emulator handle the network cards. I have switched over to alphavm_free i will try that for a change. I have it working. I will set up my computer differently. right now i have to different ways to setup dns's and that is a conflict .. i will work it out again thanks for your help I have saved your setup files to my harddrive and i will keep them safe. With your permission i would like to post them else ware i will give you all the credit if that is ok with you ...
Badger007
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