old uVAX needs a home
William
unless someone can come and take them. Today is March 23, 2006, and
the uVAXen have only a few days left. The address is Nazareth, PA,
18064. Call 610-746-7426 and ask for William or Frank or write
willia...@hotmail.com
William
Richard B. Gilbert
The term "uVAXen" covers a multitude of sins. MicroVAX I? MicroVAX
II? MicroVAX 2000? MicroVAX 3100? MicroVAX 4000 Model xxx? Etc.
Some of them are still desirable machines either as museum pieces or
working machines. Others probably belong in the dumpster.
Much depends on whether licenses come with the machines (critically
important if the intendend usage is commercial).
So how about saying exactly what you are offering.
Dave Froble
I had also asked. The response:
Hi Dave,
We have two uVaxII systems.
They are in the top picture at http://williambader.com/museum/vax/vax.html
We haven't tried to boot them since we moved to a new building a few
years ago.
William
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William
Each uVAX has a licensed copy of VMS, I think V4.7. I haven't used
them for over 10 years, although other people at the office used to
boot them occasionally.
If it is legal to transfer and doesn't cost us anything, the VMS
license is included. Also, at least one and maybe both have VAX C and
VAX FORTRAN.
William
Mike Rechtman
When I saw "Nazareth" my little heart went pitter-pat (just kidding)
The only Nazareth I can get to is the original...
Mike
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g...@decadence.it
> Some of them are still desirable machines either as museum pieces or
> working machines. Others probably belong in the dumpster.
Hello :)
*ANY* VAX is still a desiderable machine! :)
I cannot believe that nobody have picked up the babies yet...
What a shame! Please don't take them to the dump!
ciao!
gl
Richard B. Gilbert
> Il Thu, 23 Mar 2006 21:16:22 -0500, Richard B. Gilbert ha scritto:
>
>>Some of them are still desirable machines either as museum pieces or
>>working machines. Others probably belong in the dumpster.
>
>
> Hello :)
>
> *ANY* VAX is still a desiderable machine! :)
ANY???? I wouldn't have a MicroVAX 2000, even as a door stop! Nor a
MicroVAX I. Many of those early machines are of interest only to
museums and maybe not even that.
The VAX was a programmer's dream but it was a nightmare in silicon. I
still have a VAXstation 4000/VLC and a MicroVAX 3100 but I haven't
booted either of them in years. My Alpha's are so much faster. . . .
Beach Runner
Richard B. Gilbert wrote:
Back in the 80s, when I was a Deccie, I thought Dec should have GIVEN
uVAX IIs to every school in America. Put terminals on every teachers
desk, an LN03 (maybe an LN01?), and teachers would have had a place to
write lesson plans, keep records, print quality handouts, have mail,
phone, and become VMS literate.
These teachers would have built the standard for VMS, and the future
would have been VMS oriented. Nothing could have stopped it.
Similarly, Ed Services should have let any professor take courses for a
nominal fee. They would then have taught VMS, and again, nothing could
have stopped it.
It is so sad.
Richard B. Gilbert
DEC did give some very deep educational discounts; my employer in those
days (Princeton University) was one of the many recipients. This is not
where DEC fell down.
It was asshole policies like making layered product licenses
non-transferrable, making the BI bus closed and proprietary, being made
to look foolish when Emulex discovered that they could peel a BI chip
off a small traded in DEC memory board and resell it on a big Emulex
memory board and DEC couldn't do a thing to stop them. It was being
among the last to adopt SCSI, 2000% markups, the failure to recognize
that computers were becoming a commodity, repeated failures in the PC
market, etc,etc. Remember the DEC Rainbow that couldn't format it's own
floopy disks when machines from any other maker could? Remember when
every new machine had a new and unique case design, a new and unique
power supply, new and unique mounting hardware for the disk drives?
There were once about 20 different models of the RZ26; the differences
were about the same number of different ways to mount them in the case!
I suppose you could call it engineering gone mad plus no management
worthy of the name.
From sometime in the early to middle 1980's DEC ceased leading the way
into the future and was being dragged, kicking and screaming. "The
Suicide of Digital Equipment Corporation" is a long, long litany indeed.
JF Mezei
> From sometime in the early to middle 1980's DEC ceased leading the way
> into the future and was being dragged, kicking and screaming. "The
> Suicide of Digital Equipment Corporation" is a long, long litany indeed.
This seems to match success going to DEC's head and DEC deciding that it
would have to compete against IBM mainframes and DEC began to hire
ex-IBMers in the hopes of giving DEC more and an IBM mentality.
So DEC got infected with the same mentality that almost brought down IBM
completely in the early 1990s.
William
I live in Bethlehem http://www.bethlehempaonline.com/ , and nearby, we
have Bath and Emmaus. The Amish settled about 30 miles west and picked
city names like Intercourse, Blue Ball, Virginville, and Bird in Hand.
VMS licensing changes lead us to port our applications from VAX/VMS to
Intel 386-based SCO Unix in the mid 1980's. DEC increased the VMS
license fee so much that the VMS license component of the per-seat cost
of our application became higher than the total per-seat price charged
by our competition. Intel is still our preferred platform, although
now we have switched our primary development from SCO Unix to RedHat
Linux, and we support most of our applications on Linux, SCO Unix,
Solaris/SPARC, Mac OS X, and Windows. http://www.newspapersystems.com
A few people have inquired about the uVAXen, but we don't have any
takers so far. It's sad. Here's the photo again
http://williambader.com/museum/vax/vax.html They don't want to end up
in a scrap metal heap. Unfortunately, the manuals in the photos were
composted several years ago, and my precious CIT-101 followed them last
year.
William
John Allain
> A few people have inquired about the uVAXen, but we don't have any
> takers so far. It's sad.
Thanks for posting here.
For the record, we made an effort to get a truck down to you and found that
the machines had been disposed too soon. Thanks for making the effort; if
you could've waited until 03-April things would've been better.
Others out there: Don't be discouraged.
John A.
MARCH at the infoAge Museum
William
and apparently they called the trash haulers while I was away. What a
waste. William