quick question
Sue
sorry I just do not know.
sue
Steven M. Schweda
> Can somone tell me what M15 is and what it has to do with VMS.
It's MI5, not M15. Yes. Nothing.
> I am sorry I just do not know.
When you see junk like this posted to multiple groups ("X-Newsgroups:
sci.nonlinear,soc.genealogy.britain,aus.ads.forsale.computers.new,
brasil.noticias,comp.os.vms"), it's safe to assume that it's junk.
> X-Complaints-To: ab...@newsdemon.com
From: "Newsdemon Abuse" <ab...@newsdemon.com>
> We have received a large number of complaints regarding one of our
> former customers flooding various newsgroups with "MI5 Persecution"
> posts. We have removed this customer from our active database and he
> will no longer be allowed to use our servers.
>
> We appreciate your role in helping us to locate this user.
But I doubt that it'll stop any time soon.
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Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-org
382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818
Saint Paul MN 55105-2547
JF Mezei
MI-5 is the UK equivalent of your FBI. (aka: domestic security)
MI-6 is the UK equivalent of yor CIA/NSA/whatever other 3 letter
acronym. (James Bond works for MI-6)
MI5 was also the north american title for a most excellent BBC series
called "Spooks" (which is about MI-5 :-) (Used to be carried by the US
TV channel A&E)
Some folks want to warn the world about alleged abuses by MI-5 and
broadcast their complaints to a whole bunch of newsgroups hoping someone
would read them. The way they do it marks them as spammers and nobody
reads them.
PacoLinux
If you are talking about M5, is a kind of emulator, and can emulate
sort of ALPHA:
- M5 is a modular platform for computer system architecture research,
encompassing system-level architecture as well as processor
microarchitecture.
VAXman-
>
>
>From: Sue <susan_s...@hotmail.com>
>
>> Can somone tell me what M15 is and what it has to do with VMS.
>
> It's MI5, not M15. Yes. Nothing.
>
>> I am sorry I just do not know.
>
> http://www.mi5.gov.uk/
>
> When you see junk like this posted to multiple groups ("X-Newsgroups:
>sci.nonlinear,soc.genealogy.britain,aus.ads.forsale.computers.new,
>brasil.noticias,comp.os.vms"), it's safe to assume that it's junk.
Multiple? Search! This idiot SPAMmed this crap to nearly EVERY newsgroup.
>> X-Complaints-To: ab...@newsdemon.com
>
>From: "Newsdemon Abuse" <ab...@newsdemon.com>
>
>> We have received a large number of complaints regarding one of our
>> former customers flooding various newsgroups with "MI5 Persecution"
>> posts. We have removed this customer from our active database and he
>> will no longer be allowed to use our servers.
>>
>> We appreciate your role in helping us to locate this user.
>
>But I doubt that it'll stop any time soon.
It's good to know that this may cease for a while!
Now if somebody could identify the moron posting the stupid floods to
comp.sys.mac.system so that people could pummel him heavy club, that
would be great too!
--
VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM
"Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"
bradhamilton
> In article <07121900023...@antinode.org>, s...@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) writes:
>>
>> From: Sue <susan_s...@hotmail.com>
>>
>>> Can somone tell me what M15 is and what it has to do with VMS.
>> It's MI5, not M15. Yes. Nothing.
>>
>>> I am sorry I just do not know.
>> http://www.mi5.gov.uk/
>>
>> When you see junk like this posted to multiple groups ("X-Newsgroups:
>> sci.nonlinear,soc.genealogy.britain,aus.ads.forsale.computers.new,
>> brasil.noticias,comp.os.vms"), it's safe to assume that it's junk.
>
> Multiple? Search! This idiot SPAMmed this crap to nearly EVERY newsgroup.
>
>
>
>>> X-Complaints-To: ab...@newsdemon.com
>> From: "Newsdemon Abuse" <ab...@newsdemon.com>
>>
>>> We have received a large number of complaints regarding one of our
>>> former customers flooding various newsgroups with "MI5 Persecution"
>>> posts. We have removed this customer from our active database and he
>>> will no longer be allowed to use our servers.
>>>
>>> We appreciate your role in helping us to locate this user.
>> But I doubt that it'll stop any time soon.
>
> It's good to know that this may cease for a while!
>
> Now if somebody could identify the moron posting the stupid floods to
> comp.sys.mac.system so that people could pummel him heavy club, that
> would be great too!
Of course, participating in a forum like Encompasserve
(eisner.encompasserve.org) carries fewer risks of OT spam, and the
topics contain a wealth of VMS-related information.
AEF
M5 is the "ultimate computer" from Star Trek, TOS:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ultimate_Computer
AEF
Richard B. Gilbert
It's MI5 not M15. It's the British Intelligence Agency. You might
compare it with the CIA.
It has nothing to do with VMS nor with the topics of any of the other
newsgroups that "MI5Victim" is spamming. I'm inclined to believe that
he is mentally ill and "off his meds"! I'd make a guess that it's
"bipolar disorder".
Killfile him if you can. Otherwise just ignore him. Complaining to his
ISP may help but only until he finds a new one!
R.A.Omond
> Sue wrote:
>
>> Can somone tell me what M15 is and what it has to do with VMS. I am
>> sorry I just do not know.
>> sue
>
> It's MI5 not M15. It's the British Intelligence Agency. You might
> compare it with the CIA.
>
> It has nothing to do with VMS ...
Actually, MI5 most definitely was a VMS site at least in the 1980s.
I have no idea what they use now, but it would not surprise me if
they still use VMS.
I guess I've just signed my own death-warrant by saying this ;-)
Hold on, there's someone knocking at the door ...
Michael Kraemer
<rgilb...@comcast.net> writes:
>
> It has nothing to do with VMS nor with the topics of any of the other
> newsgroups that "MI5Victim" is spamming. I'm inclined to believe that
> he is mentally ill and "off his meds"! I'd make a guess that it's
> "bipolar disorder".
>
> Killfile him if you can. Otherwise just ignore him. Complaining to his
> ISP may help but only until he finds a new one!
This guy is spamming all over usenet.
I hope MI5 will finally get him, to put an end to it.
Maybe we should give them some ideas ...
Richard B. Gilbert
Shall we observe a moment of silence for the late Mr. Roy Omond? ;-)
Phaeton
> In article <07121900023...@antinode.org>, s...@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) writes:
>>
>> From: Sue <susan_s...@hotmail.com>
>>
>>> Can somone tell me what M15 is and what it has to do with VMS.
>> It's MI5, not M15. Yes. Nothing.
>>
>>> I am sorry I just do not know.
>> http://www.mi5.gov.uk/
>>
>> When you see junk like this posted to multiple groups ("X-Newsgroups:
>> sci.nonlinear,soc.genealogy.britain,aus.ads.forsale.computers.new,
>> brasil.noticias,comp.os.vms"), it's safe to assume that it's junk.
>
> Multiple? Search! This idiot SPAMmed this crap to nearly EVERY newsgroup.
>
>
>
>>> X-Complaints-To: ab...@newsdemon.com
>> From: "Newsdemon Abuse" <ab...@newsdemon.com>
>>
>>> We have received a large number of complaints regarding one of our
>>> former customers flooding various newsgroups with "MI5 Persecution"
>>> posts. We have removed this customer from our active database and he
>>> will no longer be allowed to use our servers.
>>>
>>> We appreciate your role in helping us to locate this user.
>> But I doubt that it'll stop any time soon.
>
> It's good to know that this may cease for a while!
>
> Now if somebody could identify the moron posting the stupid floods to
> comp.sys.mac.system so that people could pummel him heavy club, that
> would be great too!
To quote a recent post from other newsgroups about this spammer :
Thanks for the offer to help us out in this very frustrating quest. The
spewer makes no bones about his identity as he continues to flood the
rec.radio.amateur.policy news group. Just yesterday, he posted 400
similar messages to rec.radio.amateur.misc and rec.radio.amateur.policy,
and then bragged about it at http://khkb9rqz.blogspot.com.
His name is Mark Morgan - amateur call kb9rqz - and he resides in
Chassell, MI. His ISP is HughesNet (direcpc), and his NSP of choice is
Teranews (nntpserver.com). Teranews is located in Osceola, IN and
shares the same building and telephone numbers as Nibble Net. Teranews
has a black hole into which all emailed and surface mailed complaints
are tossed. They also rudely reject telephone calls.
Their abuse address is ab...@teranews.com.
Mr. Morgan is also in ongoing violation of the terms and conditions
which HughesNet has published at http://tinyurl.com/2o7ppq, but HughesNet
also ignores complaints to their abuse department (which was once listed
as ab...@hughes.com, but which can no longer be found in the whois data
bases. Attempts to query whois information for hughesnet.com result in
server rejection messages).
People have surface mailed HughesNet but have received no response.
Mr. Morgan has issues and does not operate under the same set of
motivations and constraints that guide other people. I am convinced
that the only way to put a stop to his floods is to have his Usenet
access removed.
As to illegal behavior, Mr. Morgan has already reported an uninvolved
amateur radio operator to child protection services in both the states
of Pennsylvania and Florida as a suspected child molester. Mr. Morgan
did so because he incorrectly identified one of his protagonists as
that uninvolved individual. Mr. Morgan is also suspected of authoring
anonymously emailed death threats (he has a unique writing style which
is hard to disguise - see his web site for examples).
Sorry for the long post, but this is a longstanding and pernicious
situation. The news group rec.radio.amateur.moderated was created
largely to get away from Mr. Morgan's floods, but that does not solve
the original problem of the destruction of two once useful news groups.
Even worse, Mr Morgan has now been branching out to formely unmolested
news groups and has begun posting his spews there.
He is basically hiding behind two rogue service providers, and has so
far been untouchable. It is extremely frustrating.
P.S. Expect him to join this thread and to claim that he is being
discriminated against because of his lifestyle. According to him, that
ploy has worked wonderfully well with HughesNet, and he brags that he
will never be ToSed by them.
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So the spammer is well-known, you can visit his website mentioned in the
post.
Cheers, Csaba
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EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:
Rhode's Corollary to Hoare's Law :
Inside every complex and unworkable program is a useful routine
struggling to be free.
John Santos
Roy....@BlueBubble.UK.Com says...
In the movie "Johnny English", Rowan Atkinson (Black Adder, Mr.
Bean) plays a low-level British intelligence agent who is suddenly
promoted after all the other agents (attending a wedding or other
event that Johnny wasn't invited to) get blown up or poisoned or
something and he's the only one left. There's one scene set in an
office at MI-5 (MI-6?) prominently featuring a book case full of
the VMS Blue Wall. I paused it on my Tivo to be sure. Definitely
the VMS Doc set.
So not just the US TLA's, but the Brit TLPDA's (Two Letters Plus a
Digit Agencies) use VMS... :-)
--
John
Bob Kaplow
> If you are talking about M5, is a kind of emulator, and can emulate
> sort of ALPHA:
The M-5 computer or the M-5 multitronic unit was created by Doctor Richard
Daystrom. It utilized very sophisticated technology, probably similar to the
Human neural network, and much more sophisticated than the duotronic
computer commonly in use. According to Dr. Daystrom, the computer could
think and reason like a Human. He had used his own memory engrams as a model
for the computer. Models M-1 through M-4 had been total failures.
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/M5
--
Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L >>> To reply, there's no internet on Mars (yet)! <<<
Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://www.nira-rocketry.org/Document/Phantom4000.pdf
www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org
Sir, if I was building a weapon of mass destruction,
you wouldn't be able to find it.
Malcolm Dunnett
> The M-5 computer or the M-5 multitronic unit was created by Doctor Richard
> Daystrom. It utilized very sophisticated technology, probably similar to the
> Human neural network, and much more sophisticated than the duotronic
> computer commonly in use. According to Dr. Daystrom, the computer could
> think and reason like a Human. He had used his own memory engrams as a model
> for the computer. Models M-1 through M-4 had been total failures.
>
Yeah, but it was no match for Bill Shatner!!!!!
Bob Koehler
>
> Yeah, but it was no match for Bill Shatner!!!!!
JTK had a habit of talking computers into commiting suicide. Maybe
we should let him loose in Redmond.
AEF
Koehler) wrote:
> In article <Xtoaj.28398$UZ4.13829@edtnps89>, Malcolm Dunnett <noth...@spammers.are.scum> writes:
>
> > Yeah, but it was no match for Bill Shatner!!!!!
>
> JTK had a habit of talking computers into commiting suicide. Maybe
> we should let him loose in Redmond.
The only other episode I can recall offhand in which this type of
thing happens is The Changeling (Nomad). The end of the show where
Kirk talks Nomad into self-destruction is absolutely brilliant. What
other episodes am I forgetting? There's Landru (Are you of the
body? :-) but I think they just used their phasers on it.
AEF
Michael Kraemer
ISTR a similar episode where the computer was talked into
the task of calculating PI up to the last digit ...
It was kind of exorcism because some daemon had taken over the main computer.
But I also STR a later episode where the (newer) computer was
smart enough to recognize that this is a mission impossible
and refused to do it.
AEF
> In article <cabf40d8-f148-4321-9f43-834f92c80...@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
> AEF <spamsink2...@yahoo.com> writes:
> > On Dec 20, 9:30 am, koeh...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob
> > Koehler) wrote:
> > > In article <Xtoaj.28398$UZ4.13829@edtnps89>, Malcolm Dunnett
> > <noth...@spammers.are.scum> writes:
>
> > > > Yeah, but it was no match for Bill Shatner!!!!!
>
> > > JTK had a habit of talking computers into commiting suicide. Maybe
> > > we should let him loose in Redmond.
>
> > The only other episode I can recall offhand in which this type of
> > thing happens is The Changeling (Nomad). The end of the show where
> > Kirk talks Nomad into self-destruction is absolutely brilliant. What
> > other episodes am I forgetting? There's Landru (Are you of the
> > body? :-) but I think they just used their phasers on it.
>
> > AEF
>
> ISTR a similar episode where the computer was talked into
> the task of calculating PI up to the last digit ...
> It was kind of exorcism because some daemon had taken over the main computer.
Yes, I remember this one. It was where Scotty was repeatedly caught
with the murder weapon of a "Jack the Ripper"-type monster.
>
> But I also STR a later episode where the (newer) computer was
> smart enough to recognize that this is a mission impossible
> and refused to do it.
This must be from one of the spin-off series. I've seen only a very
few episodes of them.
AEF
Malcolm Dunnett
>> The only other episode I can recall offhand in which this type of
>> thing happens is The Changeling (Nomad). The end of the show where
>> Kirk talks Nomad into self-destruction is absolutely brilliant. What
>> other episodes am I forgetting? There's Landru (Are you of the
>> body? :-) but I think they just used their phasers on it.
>>
>> AEF
>
> ISTR a similar episode where the computer was talked into
> the task of calculating PI up to the last digit ...
> It was kind of exorcism because some daemon had taken over the main computer.
Wasn't there also an episode (Mudd's Women?) where they disabled
some female androids by feeding them a logical conundrum?
norm.r...@metso.com
> On Dec 20, 11:44 am, m.krae...@gsi.de (Michael Kraemer) wrote:
> > In article <cabf40d8-f148-4321-9f43-834f92c80...@i12g2000prf.
> googlegroups.com>,
> >
> >
> >
> > AEF <spamsink2...@yahoo.com> writes:
> > > On Dec 20, 9:30 am, koeh...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob
> > > Koehler) wrote:
> > > > In article <Xtoaj.28398$UZ4.13829@edtnps89>, Malcolm Dunnett
> > > <noth...@spammers.are.scum> writes:
> >
> > > > > Yeah, but it was no match for Bill Shatner!!!!!
> >
> > > > JTK had a habit of talking computers into commiting suicide. Maybe
> > > > we should let him loose in Redmond.
> >
> > > thing happens is The Changeling (Nomad). The end of the show where
> > > Kirk talks Nomad into self-destruction is absolutely brilliant. What
> > > other episodes am I forgetting? There's Landru (Are you of the
> > > body? :-) but I think they just used their phasers on it.
> >
> > > AEF
> >
> > ISTR a similar episode where the computer was talked into
> > the task of calculating PI up to the last digit ...
> > It was kind of exorcism because some daemon had taken over the
> main computer.
>
> with the murder weapon of a "Jack the Ripper"-type monster.
>
> >
> > But I also STR a later episode where the (newer) computer was
> > smart enough to recognize that this is a mission impossible
> > and refused to do it.
>
> This must be from one of the spin-off series. I've seen only a very
> few episodes of them.
>
> AEF
"commit suicide" for it's sins by shutting down so it could be destroyed
by attacking federation ships that broke off the attack.
There was the Harry Mudd android episode where he and spock got the
controller android to try and solve a paradox that overloaded it.
David J Dachtera
That one is titled, "I, Mudd". After doing their shtick(sp?), Scotty and
the Doctor curtsy as part of the gag.
David J Dachtera
DJE Systems
AEF
Ah, yes. Pretty stupid androids, eh? Still, a fun episode!
Not quite the same as convincing one to commit suicide, and in this
case it was the entire main cast, not just Kirk, but close enough!
AEF
AEF
That's the one that started this discussion! MI5 somehow mutated into
M5.
>
> There was the Harry Mudd android episode where he and spock got the
> controller android to try and solve a paradox that overloaded it.
Yes.
AEF
AEF
wrote:
Exactly. There was another episode entitled Mudd's Women. That one had
the miners in search of beautiful women who took some strange beauty
pills.
>
> David J Dachtera
> DJE Systems
AEF
JF Mezei
> That's the one that started this discussion! MI5 somehow mutated into
> M5.
And it's all Sue's fault for starting this OT topic... She can't accuse
us of being off topic anymore since she is just as guilty as us :-)
:-) :-) :-) :-)
dav...@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk
>Malcolm Dunnett wrote:
>>
>> Michael Kraemer wrote:
>> >> The only other episode I can recall offhand in which this type of
>> >> thing happens is The Changeling (Nomad). The end of the show where
>> >> Kirk talks Nomad into self-destruction is absolutely brilliant. What
>> >> other episodes am I forgetting? There's Landru (Are you of the
>> >> body? :-) but I think they just used their phasers on it.
>> >>
Kirk's destructive effect on computer systems has it's own webpage
see
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Induced_self-destruction
(
and No Landru was destroyed by Kirk showing that it had violated it's own
directive by harming the "body" by allowing the civilisation to stagnate.
)
David Webb
Security team leader
CCSS
Middlesex University
>> >> AEF
>> >
>> > ISTR a similar episode where the computer was talked into
>> > the task of calculating PI up to the last digit ...
>> > It was kind of exorcism because some daemon had taken over the main computer.
>>
>> Wasn't there also an episode (Mudd's Women?) where they disabled
>> some female androids by feeding them a logical conundrum?
>
>That one is titled, "I, Mudd". After doing their shtick(sp?), Scotty and
>the Doctor curtsy as part of the gag.
>
Neil Rieck
> Sue wrote:
> > Can somone tell me what M15 is and what it has to do with VMS. I am
> > sorry I just do not know.
> > sue
>
> MI-5 is the UK equivalent of your FBI. (aka: domestic security)
>
> MI-6 is the UK equivalent of yor CIA/NSA/whatever other 3 letter
> acronym. (James Bond works for MI-6)
>
Incase anyone cares, "MI" stands for "Military Intelligence"
(I apologize if you are now laughing uncontrollably)
Neil Rieck
Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,
Ontario, Canada.
http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/
Richard B. Gilbert
> On Dec 19, 4:36 am, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spam...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>
>>Sue wrote:
>>
>>>Can somone tell me what M15 is and what it has to do with VMS. I am
>>>sorry I just do not know.
>>>sue
>>
>>MI-5 is the UK equivalent of your FBI. (aka: domestic security)
>>
>>MI-6 is the UK equivalent of yor CIA/NSA/whatever other 3 letter
>>acronym. (James Bond works for MI-6)
>>
>
>
> Incase anyone cares, "MI" stands for "Military Intelligence"
>
> (I apologize if you are now laughing uncontrollably)
How many former "oxymorons" do we have here?
I was an oxymoron!
JF Mezei
>
> Incase anyone cares, "MI" stands for "Military Intelligence"
>
This is misleading. The Security Service (the official name) is now a
civilian organisation remporting to the ministry of the interior (but
not part of it).
http://www.mi5.gov.uk/output/Page443.html
But you are correct that when it was formed back in 1909, it was part of
the military. It changed from Military Operations to Military
Intelligence in 1916. Not sure if it became civilian in 1931 (renamed
Security Service) or in 1989 when its charter was last modified.
http://www.mi5.gov.uk/output/Page65.html
The hostory of James Bond's employer are at:
http://www.mi6.gov.uk/output/Page50.html
Interesting that both organisations go out of their way to mention that
the MI5 or MI6 isn't their official name anymore, but their web site
uses that name :-)
Note that during 2nd world war, there were 17 MI divisions. MI6 reports
to the Foreign Office.
Warning: accessing any of these sites will provide MI5/6 with personal
information about you. What computer you are using, what languages you
accept, where you are located, the colour and type of underwear as well
as whether you are supportive of terrorists or not. (all included in the
HTTP request sent to them :-)
AEF
> In article <476C7ADA.E9618...@spam.comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys...@spam.comcast.net> writes:
>
> >Malcolm Dunnett wrote:
>
> >> Michael Kraemer wrote:
> >> >> The only other episode I can recall offhand in which this type of
> >> >> thing happens is The Changeling (Nomad). The end of the show where
> >> >> Kirk talks Nomad into self-destruction is absolutely brilliant. What
> >> >> other episodes am I forgetting? There's Landru (Are you of the
> >> >> body? :-) but I think they just used their phasers on it.
>
> Kirk's destructive effect on computer systems has it's own webpage
> see
>
> http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Induced_self-destruction
>
> (
> and No Landru was destroyed by Kirk showing that it had violated it's own
> directive by harming the "body" by allowing the civilisation to stagnate.
Ah yes. It was the wall behind which Landru resided that was blasted
by the phasers. Somehow I didn't recall Kirk talking him down, but I'm
sure that's right. I loved the tubes that converted people by gently
"firing" sparks at them (or do I recall that incorrectly also!) and I
especially liked the spooky look on Landru's face!
Question: In all these episodes, how can the computers be so powerful,
capable, etc., and even more amazing, never crash or get hung, yet can
be easily talked out of doing their evil biddings by Kirk?
A reboot would be fun:
Kirk: Quick, blast it while it's rebooting!
> )
>
> David Webb
[...]
AEF
Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply
<e07234b0-bf3b-436c...@t1g2000pra.googlegroups.com>, AEF
<spamsi...@yahoo.com> writes:
> Question: In all these episodes, how can the computers be so powerful,
> capable, etc., and even more amazing, never crash or get hung, yet can
> be easily talked out of doing their evil biddings by Kirk?
Why does Scotty need almost the whole episode to cut through a wall with
a phaser in order to get to some hidden cable etc while a Klingon can
just punch his fist through it?
Scotty, squeezed inside the Jeffries tube, talking to Kirk on the
intercom:
<SCOTTISH_ACCENT>
I can give ye power to the shields, captain, but I can't give ye warp
drive!
</SCOTTISH_ACCENT>
AEF
remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote:
> In article
> <e07234b0-bf3b-436c-8995-a5a8404e6...@t1g2000pra.googlegroups.com>, AEF
>
> <spamsink2...@yahoo.com> writes:
> > Question: In all these episodes, how can the computers be so powerful,
> > capable, etc., and even more amazing, never crash or get hung, yet can
> > be easily talked out of doing their evil biddings by Kirk?
>
> Why does Scotty need almost the whole episode to cut through a wall with
> a phaser in order to get to some hidden cable etc while a Klingon can
> just punch his fist through it?
Well, you could go on and on with such things, but I mentioned the
computer version because that's what's most relevant to the group.
Re the wall: Maybe some walls are reinforced better -- I don't know.
>
> Scotty, squeezed inside the Jeffries tube, talking to Kirk on the
> intercom:
>
> <SCOTTISH_ACCENT>
> I can give ye power to the shields, captain, but I can't give ye warp
> drive!
> </SCOTTISH_ACCENT>
AEF
JF Mezei
>> a phaser in order to get to some hidden cable etc while a Klingon can
>> just punch his fist through it?
The Klingons know this is a TV show and walls are made of cardboard and
couldn't be bothered. Scotty is a better actor and plays the role he was
told to play and does spend an hour rigging up his phaser to cut through
that impenetrable wall.