We have some old uVAXen that have an appointment with a trash compactor unless someone can come and take them. Today is March 23, 2006, and the uVAXen have only a few days left. The address is Nazareth, PA, 18064. Call 610-746-7426 and ask for William or Frank or write williamba...@hotmail.com William
William wrote: > We have some old uVAXen that have an appointment with a trash compactor > unless someone can come and take them. Today is March 23, 2006, and > the uVAXen have only a few days left. The address is Nazareth, PA, > 18064. Call 610-746-7426 and ask for William or Frank or write > williamba...@hotmail.com > William
The term "uVAXen" covers a multitude of sins. MicroVAX I? MicroVAX II? MicroVAX 2000? MicroVAX 3100? MicroVAX 4000 Model xxx? Etc. Some of them are still desirable machines either as museum pieces or working machines. Others probably belong in the dumpster. Much depends on whether licenses come with the machines (critically important if the intendend usage is commercial).
So how about saying exactly what you are offering.
>> We have some old uVAXen that have an appointment with a trash compactor >> unless someone can come and take them. Today is March 23, 2006, and >> the uVAXen have only a few days left. The address is Nazareth, PA, >> 18064. Call 610-746-7426 and ask for William or Frank or write >> williamba...@hotmail.com >> William
> The term "uVAXen" covers a multitude of sins. MicroVAX I? MicroVAX > II? MicroVAX 2000? MicroVAX 3100? MicroVAX 4000 Model xxx? Etc. Some > of them are still desirable machines either as museum pieces or working > machines. Others probably belong in the dumpster. > Much depends on whether licenses come with the machines (critically > important if the intendend usage is commercial).
> So how about saying exactly what you are offering.
I had also asked. The response:
Hi Dave, We have two uVaxII systems. They are in the top picture at http://williambader.com/museum/vax/vax.html We haven't tried to boot them since we moved to a new building a few years ago. William
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I hope that the picture on the web page clarifies the uVAX model. Each uVAX has a licensed copy of VMS, I think V4.7. I haven't used them for over 10 years, although other people at the office used to boot them occasionally. If it is legal to transfer and doesn't cost us anything, the VMS license is included. Also, at least one and maybe both have VAX C and VAX FORTRAN. William
> We have some old uVAXen that have an appointment with a trash compactor > unless someone can come and take them. Today is March 23, 2006, and > the uVAXen have only a few days left. The address is Nazareth, PA, > 18064. Call 610-746-7426 and ask for William or Frank or write > williamba...@hotmail.com > William
When I saw "Nazareth" my little heart went pitter-pat (just kidding) The only Nazareth I can get to is the original...
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g...@decadence.it wrote: > Il Thu, 23 Mar 2006 21:16:22 -0500, Richard B. Gilbert ha scritto:
>>Some of them are still desirable machines either as museum pieces or >>working machines. Others probably belong in the dumpster.
> Hello :)
> *ANY* VAX is still a desiderable machine! :)
ANY???? I wouldn't have a MicroVAX 2000, even as a door stop! Nor a MicroVAX I. Many of those early machines are of interest only to museums and maybe not even that.
The VAX was a programmer's dream but it was a nightmare in silicon. I still have a VAXstation 4000/VLC and a MicroVAX 3100 but I haven't booted either of them in years. My Alpha's are so much faster. . . .
Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > g...@decadence.it wrote:
>> Il Thu, 23 Mar 2006 21:16:22 -0500, Richard B. Gilbert ha scritto:
>>> Some of them are still desirable machines either as museum pieces or >>> working machines. Others probably belong in the dumpster.
>> Hello :)
>> *ANY* VAX is still a desiderable machine! :)
> ANY???? I wouldn't have a MicroVAX 2000, even as a door stop! Nor a > MicroVAX I. Many of those early machines are of interest only to > museums and maybe not even that.
> The VAX was a programmer's dream but it was a nightmare in silicon. I > still have a VAXstation 4000/VLC and a MicroVAX 3100 but I haven't > booted either of them in years. My Alpha's are so much faster. . . .
Back in the 80s, when I was a Deccie, I thought Dec should have GIVEN uVAX IIs to every school in America. Put terminals on every teachers desk, an LN03 (maybe an LN01?), and teachers would have had a place to write lesson plans, keep records, print quality handouts, have mail, phone, and become VMS literate.
These teachers would have built the standard for VMS, and the future would have been VMS oriented. Nothing could have stopped it.
Similarly, Ed Services should have let any professor take courses for a nominal fee. They would then have taught VMS, and again, nothing could have stopped it.
>>> Il Thu, 23 Mar 2006 21:16:22 -0500, Richard B. Gilbert ha scritto:
>>>> Some of them are still desirable machines either as museum pieces or >>>> working machines. Others probably belong in the dumpster.
>>> Hello :)
>>> *ANY* VAX is still a desiderable machine! :)
>> ANY???? I wouldn't have a MicroVAX 2000, even as a door stop! Nor a >> MicroVAX I. Many of those early machines are of interest only to >> museums and maybe not even that.
>> The VAX was a programmer's dream but it was a nightmare in silicon. I >> still have a VAXstation 4000/VLC and a MicroVAX 3100 but I haven't >> booted either of them in years. My Alpha's are so much faster. . . .
> Back in the 80s, when I was a Deccie, I thought Dec should have GIVEN > uVAX IIs to every school in America. Put terminals on every teachers > desk, an LN03 (maybe an LN01?), and teachers would have had a place to > write lesson plans, keep records, print quality handouts, have mail, > phone, and become VMS literate.
> These teachers would have built the standard for VMS, and the future > would have been VMS oriented. Nothing could have stopped it.
> Similarly, Ed Services should have let any professor take courses for a > nominal fee. They would then have taught VMS, and again, nothing could > have stopped it.
> It is so sad.
DEC did give some very deep educational discounts; my employer in those days (Princeton University) was one of the many recipients. This is not where DEC fell down.
It was asshole policies like making layered product licenses non-transferrable, making the BI bus closed and proprietary, being made to look foolish when Emulex discovered that they could peel a BI chip off a small traded in DEC memory board and resell it on a big Emulex memory board and DEC couldn't do a thing to stop them. It was being among the last to adopt SCSI, 2000% markups, the failure to recognize that computers were becoming a commodity, repeated failures in the PC market, etc,etc. Remember the DEC Rainbow that couldn't format it's own floopy disks when machines from any other maker could? Remember when every new machine had a new and unique case design, a new and unique power supply, new and unique mounting hardware for the disk drives? There were once about 20 different models of the RZ26; the differences were about the same number of different ways to mount them in the case! I suppose you could call it engineering gone mad plus no management worthy of the name.
From sometime in the early to middle 1980's DEC ceased leading the way into the future and was being dragged, kicking and screaming. "The Suicide of Digital Equipment Corporation" is a long, long litany indeed.
"Richard B. Gilbert" wrote: > From sometime in the early to middle 1980's DEC ceased leading the way > into the future and was being dragged, kicking and screaming. "The > Suicide of Digital Equipment Corporation" is a long, long litany indeed.
This seems to match success going to DEC's head and DEC deciding that it would have to compete against IBM mainframes and DEC began to hire ex-IBMers in the hopes of giving DEC more and an IBM mentality.
So DEC got infected with the same mentality that almost brought down IBM completely in the early 1990s.
This area of Pennsylvania was founded by Moravians in the mid 1700's. I live in Bethlehem http://www.bethlehempaonline.com/ , and nearby, we have Bath and Emmaus. The Amish settled about 30 miles west and picked city names like Intercourse, Blue Ball, Virginville, and Bird in Hand.
VMS licensing changes lead us to port our applications from VAX/VMS to Intel 386-based SCO Unix in the mid 1980's. DEC increased the VMS license fee so much that the VMS license component of the per-seat cost of our application became higher than the total per-seat price charged by our competition. Intel is still our preferred platform, although now we have switched our primary development from SCO Unix to RedHat Linux, and we support most of our applications on Linux, SCO Unix, Solaris/SPARC, Mac OS X, and Windows. http://www.newspapersystems.com
A few people have inquired about the uVAXen, but we don't have any takers so far. It's sad. Here's the photo again http://williambader.com/museum/vax/vax.html They don't want to end up in a scrap metal heap. Unfortunately, the manuals in the photos were composted several years ago, and my precious CIT-101 followed them last year.
William <william.ba...@gmail.com> wrote in message > A few people have inquired about the uVAXen, but we don't have any > takers so far. It's sad.
Thanks for posting here. For the record, we made an effort to get a truck down to you and found that the machines had been disposed too soon. Thanks for making the effort; if you could've waited until 03-April things would've been better. Others out there: Don't be discouraged.
John, I'm very sorry. I have been out of the office since mid-March, and apparently they called the trash haulers while I was away. What a waste. William
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