DCL Tips & Tricks (the seminar)

[Neil Rieck]

HP held a webinar today titled "DC L Tips & Tricks". There were a couple of things I didn't know about and, if anyone else is interested, a copy of the seminar notes can be found here:

http://www.bellics.com/remote-link/DCL-Tips-n-Tricks.pdf

Enjoy.

NSR

[Stephen Hoffman]

FWIW and AFAIK and IIRC...

That "recycle bin" scheme will derail command procedures that expect to
use DELETE with any qualifiers.

The algorithm used within the VMS$CHKPWD password tool was quite lame.

The MAIL$INTERNET_TRANSPORT setting hasn't been needed in a while.
Since V6.2, maybe? Dots found in the host name cause MAIL to select
the SMTP transport automatically. And if you want to change how an
address is interpreted, you'll probably want to use MAIL$INTERNET_MODE
and not MAIL$INTERNET_TRANSPORT.

It's easier to set the WRITESYSPARAMS to zero after changing the
startup to OPA0:, as that eliminates the need to reset anything later.


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[VAXman-]

I found the whole content to be rather cursory and novice. There was more
about various utilities and logicals, several with no bearing today as you
have pointed out, than there was about DCL.

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VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG

Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.

[David Froble]

I didn't know anything about it, but, that HP does anything concerning
VMS is interesting. Got to wonder what's behind it.

[VAXman-]

BTW, I wasn't deriding it and I "attended" it. I'm quite pleased to see that
HP^H^H VMS Engineering is doing webinars WRT to VMS at *ANY* level. I'd hope
to see more. There was a long list of names in attendance; many I recognised
and many I did not. There was also a healthy bit of chatter in the chat room
during the presentation.

[Neil Rieck]

> VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG
> Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.

Me too. Any promotion of OpenVMS by HP is welcome news. I "tried" to keep one eye on the attendee count and remember it hitting 136 (it may have gone higher). Nice to see colleagues from Montreal and Europe on the list.

NSR

[Paul Sture]

In article <6e8ed89e-b4d6-48c3...@googlegroups.com>,

In the "Less Known qualifiers with SEARCH" section I would have added
/FORMAT=PASSALL.

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Paul Sture

[Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER]

In article <6e8ed89e-b4d6-48c3...@googlegroups.com>, Neil Rieck <n.r...@sympatico.ca> writes:
>HP held a webinar today titled "DC L Tips & Tricks". There were a couple of things I didn't know about and, if anyone else is interested, a copy of the seminar notes can be found here:
>
>http://www.bellics.com/remote-link/DCL-Tips-n-Tricks.pdf

Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
I did read this now and all I first thought was

To touch a file (update the modification time) do:
$ SET FILE/NOEXPIRATION_DATE file

No, this doesn't create the file (if needed).
I have therefor a better way

$ touch == "APPEND/NEW _NL:"

since the early nineties in my [SY]LOGIN.COM

Or that the escape sequence for blinking uses a
lowercase "m" (and not the uppercase "M" as in the PDF)

So, I'm obviously not the targeted audience for this
(though I haven't used SEARCH/SKIP for many years now
and SEARCH/WILDCARD would have been useful recently
but I haven't thought of it - and DCL$CTRLT was totally
new - so, PDF was finally for me indeed worth to read)

Thanks

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Network and OpenVMS system specialist
E-mail Pe...@LANGSTOeGER.at
A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist

[Neil Rieck]

On Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:03:12 PM UTC-4, Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER wrote:
> In article <6e8ed89e-b4d6-48c3...@googlegroups.com>, Neil Rieck <n.r...@sympatico.ca> writes:
>
> >HP held a webinar today titled "DC L Tips & Tricks". There were a couple of things I didn't know about and, if anyone else is interested, a copy of the seminar notes can be found here:
>
> >
>
> >http://www.bellics.com/remote-link/DCL-Tips-n-Tricks.pdf
>
>
>
> Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
>
> I did read this now and all I first thought was
>
>
>
> To touch a file (update the modification time) do:
>
> $ SET FILE/NOEXPIRATION_DATE file
>
>
>
> No, this doesn't create the file (if needed).
>
> I have therefor a better way
>
>
>
> $ touch == "APPEND/NEW _NL:"
>
>
>
> since the early nineties in my [SY]LOGIN.COM
>
>
>
> Or that the escape sequence for blinking uses a
>
> lowercase "m" (and not the uppercase "M" as in the PDF)
>
>
>
> So, I'm obviously not the targeted audience for this
>
> (though I haven't used SEARCH/SKIP for many years now
>
> and SEARCH/WILDCARD would have been useful recently
>
> but I haven't thought of it - and DCL$CTRLT was totally
>
> new - so, PDF was finally for me indeed worth to read)
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> --
>

> Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTÖGER

>
> Network and OpenVMS system specialist
>
> E-mail Pe...@LANGSTOeGER.at
>
> A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist

1) I didn't know about any of the SET WATCH commands which appear to be
undocumented (or, at least, not found in VMS Help)
2) I also didn't know about SEARCH/STATISTICS=SYMBOL or SEARCH/WILD

NSR

[MG]

On 29-apr-2013 13:52, Neil Rieck wrote:
> 1) I didn't know about any of the SET WATCH commands which appear to be
> undocumented (or, at least, not found in VMS Help)
> 2) I also didn't know about SEARCH/STATISTICS=SYMBOL or SEARCH/WILD

What I wonder about, is when these commands and qualifiers were added?
I wonder if our favorite dream team in India got the responsibility,
to bring them from their (former beta state[?]) to something 'stable'?

Maybe it's time that the --- otherwise and traditionally very good ---
documentation got a thorough 'refresh'...?

- MG

[VAXman-]

SET WATCH has been around for a long long time. As for the SEARCH command,
I use those quealifiers and quite often too but by historical recollection
as to when they came into being is fogged.

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[Chris Scheers]

MG wrote:
> On 29-apr-2013 13:52, Neil Rieck wrote:
>> 1) I didn't know about any of the SET WATCH commands which appear to be
>> undocumented (or, at least, not found in VMS Help)
>> 2) I also didn't know about SEARCH/STATISTICS=SYMBOL or SEARCH/WILD
>
> What I wonder about, is when these commands and qualifiers were added?
> I wonder if our favorite dream team in India got the responsibility,
> to bring them from their (former beta state[?]) to something 'stable'?

I used SET WATCH in the 80's. I don't remember if it was in VMS 4.x (I
think it was), but I know it is in 5.x.

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