DaveG wrote: > Just got an email from Ann McQ. Sue is leaving the VMS group after 15 > years. Not sure if she's leaving HP or not. A replacement has been > named.
I am greatly saddened by this news. Sue has always been one of my favorite people and I hate to see her leaving the VMS group.
From: "McQuaid, Ann" <ann.mcqu...@hpXX.com> Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 18:54:02 +0000 Subject: OpenVMS Customer Program Announcement
Dear OpenVMS Community,
After 15 years with OpenVMS Engineering, Sue Skonetski will be pursuing new opportunities. She has made many contributions to OpenVMS during her tenure which have led to OpenVMS' long standing success. Many thanks to Sue for her energy and dedication.
Sue will be succeeded by Sujatha Ramani who will assume Sue's responsibilities including Technical Customer Programs and Communications,
Sujatha holds a Bachelors degree in Computer Science and an MBA. She comes to this position with over 17 years of experience in the IT industry. She has been working for the last 11 years at HP and has experience in a multitude of business units including PSG, TSG and IPG. Sujatha brings rich experience in Sales, Marketing, Operations, Channels Management and Enterprise Account Management. She has won several recognitions including the "HP Presidents Club Winner" for consistent sales performance. Sujatha was recognized the "Young Achiever" By CII (Confederation of Indian Industries) in the Corporate IT category.
Please join me in welcoming Sujatha and in wishing Sue the very best.
Best regards,
Ann
P.S. If you plan on attending the HP Tech Forum, please stop by the Business Critical Systems Booth and meet Sujatha.
In article <012f4df3-39ca-4960-9691-917779f1e...@e23g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>, DaveG <david.gudew...@abbott.com> writes:
>Just got an email from Ann McQ. Sue is leaving the VMS group after 15 >years. Not sure if she's leaving HP or not. A replacement has been >named.
Since you seem to be the ONLY one who has received this, would you post its contents here?
I wish that HP would be a bit more honest and tell all of us what it's doing to further destroy VMS and our livelihoods, but I have never trusted HP. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG
> In article <012f4df3-39ca-4960-9691-917779f1e...@e23g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>, DaveG <david.gudew...@abbott.com> writes:
> >Just got an email from Ann McQ. Sue is leaving the VMS group after 15 > >years. Not sure if she's leaving HP or not. A replacement has been > >named.
> Since you seem to be the ONLY one who has received this, would you > post its contents here?
> I wish that HP would be a bit more honest and tell all of us what > it's doing to further destroy VMS and our livelihoods, but I have > never trusted HP. > -- > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG
> "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"
I am certain I was not the ONLY one to get this message. And I noticed that JF has already posted the text. I tend not to do this what with full name, rank and serial numbers visible.
JF Mezei wrote: > After 15 years with OpenVMS Engineering, Sue Skonetski will be pursuing > new opportunities.
That's frequently a euphemism for "fired". Hope that's not the case here.
Sue's one of the best DEC/Compaq/HP people I've run into over the past 33 years.
ps to JF - how do you get to be one of the "VMS Community" that rates receiving the notification? I've only been a VMS customer for 29 years, I guess that's not long enough to qualify.
Alan Frisbie wrote: > I am greatly saddened by this news. Sue has always been one of my > favorite people and I hate to see her leaving the VMS group.
Lets just say that the wording of the announcement was carefully chosen by HP. (update: someone else noticed the wording too but it isn't up to me to confirm/deny what really is happening, and whether the announcement represents the full scope of the changes or not, or whether Mark Hurd prefers chocolate or vanilla ice cream.)
Sue is a very professional and patient person. Her dedication to Digital goes far beyond the 15 years stated by Ann McQuaid. Digital has been her career/family for (I am sure Sue can correct me on this) over 25 years. She knew Ken Olsen personally.
Guys, this shouldn't sound like an obituary. Sue is now free of HP's hold, and will be able to pursue a new career inside or outside of VMS community with a company/organisation that will undoubdtely greatly value her personality, patience, perseverance, and especially her personnal knowledge of a very valuable enterprise community. (the list of positive qualifications is extensive, I can't list them all in one message).
Sue was an incredible asset to her employer and will be to her next employer. She has an incredible ability to keep the VMS community together (and everyone here knows how demanding and complaining buch we are !) despite the total lack of desire from HP to keep us informed. And she had the uncanny ability to change people's attitude that VMS was doomed into a positive attitude that VMS was succesful.
She also has had an extreme sense of professionalism and ability to toe the corporate line when it was time to do so even if she disagreed with it.
When you consider all that VMS engineering has gone through since the Palmer era, and especially what has been happening in the last few months, Sue's dedication to her job has been remarkable. She has continued to send out her newsletters, always as cheerful and positive as ever.
Sue also brought to the VMS community something unique: A PERSONNAL TOUCH.
Consider the number of problems Sue was able to solve for large and small customers alike and, contrary to many large corporations where customers are nothing but numbers, Sue actually sought to meet and know as many customers as she could on a personal level.
If I were the president of IBM, I would hire Sue right away because of the value she would bring to the company.
>> I am greatly saddened by this news. Sue has always been one of my >> favorite people and I hate to see her leaving the VMS group.
>Lets just say that the wording of the announcement was carefully chosen >by HP. (update: someone else noticed the wording too but it isn't up to >me to confirm/deny what really is happening, and whether the >announcement represents the full scope of the changes or not, or whether >Mark Hurd prefers chocolate or vanilla ice cream.)
>Sue is a very professional and patient person. Her dedication to Digital > goes far beyond the 15 years stated by Ann McQuaid. Digital has been >her career/family for (I am sure Sue can correct me on this) over 25 >years. She knew Ken Olsen personally.
>Guys, this shouldn't sound like an obituary. Sue is now free of HP's >hold, and will be able to pursue a new career inside or outside of VMS >community with a company/organisation that will undoubdtely greatly >value her personality, patience, perseverance, and especially her >personnal knowledge of a very valuable enterprise community. (the list >of positive qualifications is extensive, I can't list them all in one >message).
>Sue was an incredible asset to her employer and will be to her next >employer. She has an incredible ability to keep the VMS community >together (and everyone here knows how demanding and complaining buch we >are !) despite the total lack of desire from HP to keep us informed. And >she had the uncanny ability to change people's attitude that VMS was >doomed into a positive attitude that VMS was succesful.
>She also has had an extreme sense of professionalism and ability to toe >the corporate line when it was time to do so even if she disagreed with it.
>When you consider all that VMS engineering has gone through since the >Palmer era, and especially what has been happening in the last few >months, Sue's dedication to her job has been remarkable. She has >continued to send out her newsletters, always as cheerful and positive >as ever.
>Sue also brought to the VMS community something unique: A PERSONNAL TOUCH.
Now we'll get is the smell of tamarind and lime pickle.
-- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG
VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In article <00492a92$0$20442$c3e8...@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spam...@vaxination.ca> writes: >> Alan Frisbie wrote:
>>> I am greatly saddened by this news. Sue has always been one of my >>> favorite people and I hate to see her leaving the VMS group. >> Lets just say that the wording of the announcement was carefully chosen >> by HP. (update: someone else noticed the wording too but it isn't up to >> me to confirm/deny what really is happening, and whether the >> announcement represents the full scope of the changes or not, or whether >> Mark Hurd prefers chocolate or vanilla ice cream.)
>> Sue is a very professional and patient person. Her dedication to Digital >> goes far beyond the 15 years stated by Ann McQuaid. Digital has been >> her career/family for (I am sure Sue can correct me on this) over 25 >> years. She knew Ken Olsen personally.
>> Guys, this shouldn't sound like an obituary. Sue is now free of HP's >> hold, and will be able to pursue a new career inside or outside of VMS >> community with a company/organisation that will undoubdtely greatly >> value her personality, patience, perseverance, and especially her >> personnal knowledge of a very valuable enterprise community. (the list >> of positive qualifications is extensive, I can't list them all in one >> message).
>> Sue was an incredible asset to her employer and will be to her next >> employer. She has an incredible ability to keep the VMS community >> together (and everyone here knows how demanding and complaining buch we >> are !) despite the total lack of desire from HP to keep us informed. And >> she had the uncanny ability to change people's attitude that VMS was >> doomed into a positive attitude that VMS was succesful.
>> She also has had an extreme sense of professionalism and ability to toe >> the corporate line when it was time to do so even if she disagreed with it.
>> When you consider all that VMS engineering has gone through since the >> Palmer era, and especially what has been happening in the last few >> months, Sue's dedication to her job has been remarkable. She has >> continued to send out her newsletters, always as cheerful and positive >> as ever.
>> Sue also brought to the VMS community something unique: A PERSONNAL TOUCH.
> Now we'll get is the smell of tamarind and lime pickle.
A little too cryptic for me!!
If you are speaking of outsourcing Sue's job to India, ROTF & LMAO! They MIGHT be stupid enough to try it! Probability of success outside of India is about 0.0000001!
On May 6, 3:43 pm, Malcolm Dunnett <noth...@spammers.are.scum> wrote:
> JF Mezei wrote: > > After 15 years with OpenVMS Engineering, Sue Skonetski will be pursuing > > new opportunities.
> That's frequently a euphemism for "fired". Hope that's not the case here.
> Sue's one of the best DEC/Compaq/HP people I've run into over the past > 33 years.
> ps to JF - how do you get to be one of the "VMS Community" that rates > receiving the notification? I've only been a VMS customer for 29 years, > I guess that's not long enough to qualify.
Dear Malcolm,
You needed to be part of my distribution list to get the email, there is no slight intended.
Sue wrote: > And no I was not fired, just looking for a job.
I have it on good authority that Sue was caught red-handed stealing a black felt marker from the office supplies cabinet without having filled the pre-requisite paperwork and getting signed approval from the executive VP in cuppertino, and that is cause got immediate dismissal :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) ;-)
Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > If you are speaking of outsourcing Sue's job to India, ROTF & LMAO! > They MIGHT be stupid enough to try it! Probability of success outside > of India is about 0.0000001!
It isn't outsourced. HP has moved that function to a different HP division in a different location.
On May 6, 9:30 pm, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spam...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> Here is the text of the announcement: > ---------
> From: "McQuaid, Ann" <ann.mcqu...@hpXX.com> > After 15 years with OpenVMS Engineering
...or 25 years in DEC/Compaq/HP in total...
> [Sujatha] has been working for the last 11 years at HP...
Wow, so she's witnessed the majority of the company's downward spiral in product quality? That is exceptionally confidence-inspiring.
> and has > experience in a multitude of business units including PSG, TSG and IPG. > Sujatha brings rich experience in Sales, Marketing, Operations, > Channels Management and Enterprise Account Management.
Fantastic! Just what HP needs, another MBA taking the place of an exceptionally competent person. Good going, HP - If you keep up at this pace, you'll get to be Chrysler soon. Fiat owns a few IT companies, you know.
I can picture the advertisements now: "HP (R) - No real products left, but we're probably too big to die! (tm)". (The Shrugging Businessman logo is a registered trademark of HP.)
This is... indescribably unfair. I hope Sue finds something much better to do, in a better company. What she means to the community is impossible to quantify (and thus hard for an MBA to understand), but if it weren't for her, I would be considering VMS an interesting historical footnote "by that guy who made Windows NT" like most other people my age do, thanks to your impeccable mismanagement.
On May 6, 7:13 pm, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spam...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> Sue wrote: > > And no I was not fired, just looking for a job.
> I have it on good authority that Sue was caught red-handed stealing a > black felt marker from the office supplies cabinet without having filled > the pre-requisite paperwork and getting signed approval from the > executive VP in cuppertino, and that is cause got immediate dismissal > :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) ;-)
yep its those markers is it red handed for black markers and black handed for red markers, what about purple and green.
It would do a lot for me to get fired, I love what I do. I work with the smartest people in the world.
>> And no I was not fired, just looking for a job.
> I have it on good authority that Sue was caught red-handed stealing a > black felt marker from the office supplies cabinet without having filled > the pre-requisite paperwork and getting signed approval from the > executive VP in cuppertino, and that is cause got immediate dismissal > :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) ;-)
Sue wrote: > On May 6, 7:13 pm, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spam...@vaxination.ca> wrote: >> Sue wrote: >>> And no I was not fired, just looking for a job. >> I have it on good authority that Sue was caught red-handed stealing a >> black felt marker from the office supplies cabinet without having filled >> the pre-requisite paperwork and getting signed approval from the >> executive VP in cuppertino, and that is cause got immediate dismissal >> :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) ;-)
> yep its those markers is it red handed for black markers and black > handed for red markers, what about purple and green.
> It would do a lot for me to get fired, I love what I do. I work with > the smartest people in the world.
If they were all that smart you would be running HP!
-What happens to the VMS ambassadors ? Do they still exist, or will they be watered down because there is nobody to coordinate communications with them ?
-What happens to Hobbyist programme ? Sue was the contact/coordinator. Does that move to her replacement, or is that something that will be in a vacuum ?
-What happens to coordination with the user group formerly known as DECUS (I think it is called Connect this week ? Will Sue's replacement in india be a central worldwide contact for VMS related issues, or will there be some local representative in each country ?
-Will Sue's most excellent communications such as the Digital Technical Journal, and her email updates continue with her replacement, or will her replacement concentrate only on sale opportunities ?
-Will the new gang in India work extremely hard to prove they can handle the job and end up giving us more than we had before ?
On May 7, 9:32 am, IanMiller <g...@uk2.net> wrote:
> On May 6, 7:05 pm, DaveG <david.gudew...@abbott.com> wrote:
> > Just got an email from Ann McQ. Sue is leaving the VMS group after 15 > > years. Not sure if she's leaving HP or not. A replacement has been > > named.
> The end of an era yes. The end of VMS - No.
Well said, Ian!
Instead of bemoaning the past, why not accept that change happens and start off by welcoming someone who has a very hard act to follow?
This has nothing to do with disrespect for Sue S., with whom I have worked for more years than I can remember. The note by someone pointing out that she is now "free" to pursue activities without the "restrictions" placed on her by a very large enterprise, is extremely important, I think. How about a Boot Camp (under another name), organized by Sue and held in, say, Bangalore? Nashua may be nice in the Spring and Fall, but, that hotel, all those Yanks, ...
We should treat this change as an opportunity to regroup and look to the future. If half of what you say about OpenVMS is true, then why are so many of you so negative and sitting on your behinds instead of getting together?
The Open Source movement is an example which we should attempt to follow: have an idea, share it, build it, support it, have another idea, ...
For those that feel the need to bash India and other things foreign, perhaps they might like to think about how long their respective countries have been considered "civilized" compared to India or China for that matter? And how many of the indigenous population were slaughtered by those arriving in the country who considered their way was better?
ja wrote: > For those that feel the need to bash India and other things foreign,
This isn't about bashing India. It is about dumping highly experienced people who have built a product and have industry leading skills and know how to make quality software in exchange for unknown quality and quantity folks who may or may not have any experience with VMS. In the software industry, talent is an asset, not a liability. And HP is dumping a highly valuable asset in exchange for hiring what is essentially commodity humans.
As a country, India has done the right thing by investing in education and now have very capable people. However, in most outsourcing schemes, the original company does this to lower costs and gives the outsourcing company defined work guidelines and phone answering scripts and the people are not given the latitude to make decisions.
There are similar problems when you outsource locally too, with the people brought in given very strict mandates that they cannot deviate from.
The problem with India is similar to Japan's image in the 1970s. They had an image of building cheap plastic toys. It took them a couple of decade to shed that image and obtain an image of high quality products.
Right now, India has an image of low quality low cost work. It isn't because of the people, it is because what their clients tell them what to do.
> ja wrote: > > For those that feel the need to bash India and other things foreign,
> This isn't about bashing India. It is about dumping highly experienced > people who have built a product and have industry leading skills and > know how to make quality software in exchange for unknown quality and > quantity folks who may or may not have any experience with VMS. In the > software industry, talent is an asset, not a liability. And HP is > dumping a highly valuable asset in exchange for hiring what is > essentially commodity humans.
> As a country, India has done the right thing by investing in education > and now have very capable people. However, in most outsourcing schemes, > the original company does this to lower costs and gives the outsourcing > company defined work guidelines and phone answering scripts and the > people are not given the latitude to make decisions.
> There are similar problems when you outsource locally too, with the > people brought in given very strict mandates that they cannot deviate from.
> The problem with India is similar to Japan's image in the 1970s. They > had an image of building cheap plastic toys. It took them a couple of > decade to shed that image and obtain an image of high quality products.
> Right now, India has an image of low quality low cost work. It isn't > because of the people, it is because what their clients tell them what > to do.
Note that a lot of software work has been done in India and other countries for years - this is true for most operating systems you know of. Do you really think MS Windows is developed in Redmond?