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DaveG  
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From: DaveG <david.gudew...@abbott.com>
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 12:05:38 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Wed, May 6 2009 3:05 pm
Subject: Sue leaving the VMS eng. group
Just got an email from Ann McQ.  Sue is leaving the VMS group after 15
years.  Not sure if she's leaving HP or not.  A replacement has been
named.

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From: s...@obanion.us
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 12:09:54 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: Sue leaving the VMS eng. group
On May 6, 12:05 pm, DaveG <david.gudew...@abbott.com> wrote:

> Just got an email from Ann McQ.  Sue is leaving the VMS group after 15
> years.  Not sure if she's leaving HP or not.  A replacement has been
> named.

As professional as Sue has always been, this just breaks my heart.

Must also be the end of the Boot camps...

Sean


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From: Alan Frisbie <Usenet02_Rem...@Flying-Disk.com>
Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 12:21:25 -0700
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Subject: Re: Sue leaving the VMS eng. group

DaveG wrote:
> Just got an email from Ann McQ.  Sue is leaving the VMS group after 15
> years.  Not sure if she's leaving HP or not.  A replacement has been
> named.

I am greatly saddened by this news.   Sue has always been one of my
favorite people and I hate to see her leaving the VMS group.

Alan Frisbie


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JF Mezei  
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From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spam...@vaxination.ca>
Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 15:30:53 -0400
Local: Wed, May 6 2009 3:30 pm
Subject: Re: Sue leaving the VMS eng. group
Here is the text of the announcement:
---------

From: "McQuaid, Ann" <ann.mcqu...@hpXX.com>
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 18:54:02 +0000
Subject: OpenVMS Customer Program  Announcement

Dear OpenVMS Community,

After 15 years with OpenVMS Engineering, Sue Skonetski will be pursuing
new opportunities. She has made many contributions to OpenVMS during her
tenure which have led to OpenVMS' long standing success.  Many thanks to
Sue for her energy and dedication.

Sue will be succeeded by Sujatha Ramani who will assume Sue's
responsibilities including Technical Customer Programs and Communications,

Sujatha holds a Bachelors degree in Computer Science and an MBA.  She
comes to this position with over 17 years of experience in the IT
industry.  She has been working for the last 11 years at HP and has
experience in a multitude of business units including PSG, TSG and IPG.
 Sujatha brings rich experience in Sales, Marketing, Operations,
Channels Management and Enterprise Account Management.  She has won
several recognitions including the "HP Presidents Club Winner" for
consistent sales performance.  Sujatha was recognized the "Young
Achiever" By CII (Confederation of Indian Industries) in the Corporate
IT category.

Please join me in welcoming Sujatha and in wishing Sue the very best.

Best regards,

Ann

P.S. If you plan on attending the HP Tech Forum, please stop by the
Business Critical Systems Booth and meet Sujatha.

--------


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vaxm...@sendspamhere.org  
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From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG
Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 19:34:05 GMT
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Subject: Re: Sue leaving the VMS eng. group
In article <012f4df3-39ca-4960-9691-917779f1e...@e23g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>, DaveG <david.gudew...@abbott.com> writes:

>Just got an email from Ann McQ.  Sue is leaving the VMS group after 15
>years.  Not sure if she's leaving HP or not.  A replacement has been
>named.

Since you seem to be the ONLY one who has received this, would you
post its contents here?

I wish that HP would be a bit more honest and tell all of us what
it's doing to further destroy VMS and our livelihoods, but I have
never trusted HP.
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 More options May 6, 3:37 pm
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From: DaveG <david.gudew...@abbott.com>
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 12:37:24 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Wed, May 6 2009 3:37 pm
Subject: Re: Sue leaving the VMS eng. group
On May 6, 2:34 pm, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:

I am certain I was not the ONLY one to get this message.  And I
noticed that JF has already posted the text.  I tend not to do this
what with full name, rank and serial numbers visible.

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 More options May 6, 3:43 pm
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From: Malcolm Dunnett <noth...@spammers.are.scum>
Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 12:43:50 -0700
Local: Wed, May 6 2009 3:43 pm
Subject: Re: Sue leaving the VMS eng. group

JF Mezei wrote:
> After 15 years with OpenVMS Engineering, Sue Skonetski will be pursuing
> new opportunities.

That's frequently a euphemism for "fired". Hope that's not the case here.

Sue's one of the best DEC/Compaq/HP people I've run into over the past
33 years.

ps to JF - how do you get to be one of the "VMS Community" that rates
receiving the notification? I've only been a VMS customer for 29 years,
I guess that's not long enough to qualify.


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JF Mezei  
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From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spam...@vaxination.ca>
Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 16:04:27 -0400
Local: Wed, May 6 2009 4:04 pm
Subject: Re: Sue leaving the VMS eng. group

Alan Frisbie wrote:
> I am greatly saddened by this news.   Sue has always been one of my
> favorite people and I hate to see her leaving the VMS group.

Lets just say that the wording of the announcement was carefully chosen
by HP. (update: someone else noticed the wording too but it isn't up to
me to confirm/deny what really is happening, and whether the
announcement represents the full scope of the changes or not, or whether
Mark Hurd prefers chocolate or vanilla ice cream.)

Sue is a very professional and patient person. Her dedication to Digital
 goes far beyond the 15 years stated by Ann McQuaid. Digital has been
her career/family for (I am sure Sue can correct me on this) over 25
years. She knew Ken Olsen personally.

Guys, this shouldn't sound like an obituary. Sue is now free of HP's
hold, and will be able to pursue a new career inside or outside of VMS
community with a company/organisation that will undoubdtely greatly
value her personality, patience, perseverance, and especially her
personnal knowledge of a very valuable enterprise community. (the list
of positive qualifications is extensive, I can't list them all in one
message).

Sue was an incredible asset to her employer and will be to her next
employer. She has an incredible ability to keep the VMS community
together (and everyone here knows how demanding and complaining buch we
are !) despite the total lack of desire from HP to keep us informed. And
she had the uncanny ability to change people's attitude that VMS was
doomed into a positive attitude that VMS was succesful.

She also has had an extreme sense of professionalism and ability to toe
the corporate line when it was time to do so even if she disagreed with it.

When you consider all that VMS engineering has gone through since the
Palmer era, and especially what has been happening in the last few
months, Sue's dedication to her job has been remarkable. She has
continued to send out her newsletters, always as cheerful and positive
as ever.

Sue also brought to the VMS community something unique: A PERSONNAL TOUCH.

Consider the number of problems Sue was able to solve for large and
small customers alike and, contrary to many large corporations where
customers are nothing but numbers, Sue actually sought to meet and know
as many customers as she could on a personal level.

If I were the president of IBM, I would hire Sue right away because of
the value she would bring to the company.


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Ed Wilts  
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 More options May 6, 4:40 pm
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From: Ed Wilts <ewi...@ewilts.org>
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 13:40:16 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Wed, May 6 2009 4:40 pm
Subject: Re: Sue leaving the VMS eng. group
On May 6, 2:30 pm, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spam...@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> P.S. If you plan on attending the HP Tech Forum, please stop by the
> Business Critical Systems Booth and meet Sujatha.

Enjoy it while you can.  Sue's job has also gone to India so this
might be the last time you hear from Sujatha.

Since my VMScluster is about to celebrate's its 10th cluster_ftime
anniversary, seeing Sue leave does not make me any happier today.

   .../Ed

Tybalt> say f$getsyi("cluster_ftime")
30-MAY-1999 07:28:07.05


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From: decfreak-AT-gmail-DOT-com <decfr...@googlemail.com>
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 13:58:41 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Wed, May 6 2009 4:58 pm
Subject: Re: Sue leaving the VMS eng. group
> As professional as Sue has always been, this just breaks my heart.

Couldn't have said it better.

Sue is such a great person
... very big footprints for Sujatha to fill.

>Must also be the end of the Boot camps...

Hopefully they woun't continue in Bangalore ... :-(

Oliver
(DECfreak)


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vaxm...@sendspamhere.org  
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Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 21:46:32 GMT
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Subject: Re: Sue leaving the VMS eng. group
In article <00492a92$0$20442$c3e8...@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spam...@vaxination.ca> writes:

Now we'll get is the smell of tamarind and lime pickle.

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Richard B. Gilbert  
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 More options May 6, 6:01 pm
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From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilber...@comcast.net>
Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 18:01:16 -0400
Local: Wed, May 6 2009 6:01 pm
Subject: Re: Sue leaving the VMS eng. group

A little too cryptic for me!!

If you are speaking of outsourcing Sue's job to India, ROTF & LMAO!
They MIGHT be stupid enough to try it!  Probability of success outside
of India is about 0.0000001!


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Sue  
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 More options May 6, 6:24 pm
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From: Sue <susan_skonet...@hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 15:24:06 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Wed, May 6 2009 6:24 pm
Subject: Re: Sue leaving the VMS eng. group
On May 6, 3:43 pm, Malcolm Dunnett <noth...@spammers.are.scum> wrote:

> JF Mezei wrote:
> > After 15 years with OpenVMS Engineering, Sue Skonetski will be pursuing
> > new opportunities.

> That's frequently a euphemism for "fired". Hope that's not the case here.

> Sue's one of the best DEC/Compaq/HP people I've run into over the past
> 33 years.

> ps to JF - how do you get to be one of the "VMS Community" that rates
> receiving the notification? I've only been a VMS customer for 29 years,
> I guess that's not long enough to qualify.

Dear Malcolm,

You needed to be part of my distribution list to get the email, there
is no slight intended.

And I am still looking at this news group ;')

And no I was not fired, just looking for a job.

Sue


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From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spam...@vaxination.ca>
Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 19:13:30 -0400
Local: Wed, May 6 2009 7:13 pm
Subject: Re: Sue leaving the VMS eng. group

Sue wrote:
> And no I was not fired, just looking for a job.

I have it on good authority that Sue was caught red-handed stealing a
black felt marker from the office supplies cabinet without having filled
the pre-requisite paperwork and getting signed approval from the
executive VP in cuppertino, and that is cause got immediate dismissal
:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) ;-)

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JF Mezei  
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Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 19:15:12 -0400
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Subject: Re: Sue leaving the VMS eng. group

Richard B. Gilbert wrote:
> If you are speaking of outsourcing Sue's job to India, ROTF & LMAO!
> They MIGHT be stupid enough to try it!  Probability of success outside
> of India is about 0.0000001!

It isn't outsourced. HP has moved that function to a different HP
division in a different location.

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Tore Sinding Bekkedal  
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From: Tore Sinding Bekkedal <tore...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 16:40:53 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Wed, May 6 2009 7:40 pm
Subject: Re: Sue leaving the VMS eng. group
On May 6, 9:30 pm, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spam...@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> Here is the text of the announcement:
> ---------

> From: "McQuaid, Ann" <ann.mcqu...@hpXX.com>
> After 15 years with OpenVMS Engineering

...or 25 years in DEC/Compaq/HP in total...

> [Sujatha] has been working for the last 11 years at HP...

Wow, so she's witnessed the majority of the company's downward spiral
in product quality? That is exceptionally confidence-inspiring.

> and has
> experience in a multitude of business units including PSG, TSG and IPG.
>  Sujatha brings rich experience in Sales, Marketing, Operations,
> Channels Management and Enterprise Account Management.  

Fantastic! Just what HP needs, another MBA taking the place of an
exceptionally competent person. Good going, HP - If you keep up at
this pace, you'll get to be Chrysler soon. Fiat owns a few IT
companies, you know.

I can picture the advertisements now:
"HP (R) - No real products left, but we're probably too big to die!
(tm)".
(The Shrugging Businessman logo is a registered trademark of HP.)

This is... indescribably unfair. I hope Sue finds something much
better to do, in a better company. What she means to the community is
impossible to quantify (and thus hard for an MBA to understand), but
if it weren't for her, I would be considering VMS an interesting
historical footnote "by that guy who made Windows NT" like most other
people my age do, thanks to your impeccable mismanagement.

-Tore


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From: Sue <susan_skonet...@hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 16:45:21 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Wed, May 6 2009 7:45 pm
Subject: Re: Sue leaving the VMS eng. group
Dear JF,

Thank you for such an amazing note.  And thanks to everyone else for
their support.

I am not real sure that the president of IBM reads the VMS news
group.

I will be reading HP mail until June 5th after that as a VMS fan on my
Hotmail account.

And who ever mentioned it, no I did not get fired.  But I am looking
for a job.

Warm Regards.
Sue


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 More options May 6, 7:48 pm
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From: Sue <susan_skonet...@hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 16:48:32 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Wed, May 6 2009 7:48 pm
Subject: Re: Sue leaving the VMS eng. group
On May 6, 7:13 pm, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spam...@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> Sue wrote:
> > And no I was not fired, just looking for a job.

> I have it on good authority that Sue was caught red-handed stealing a
> black felt marker from the office supplies cabinet without having filled
> the pre-requisite paperwork and getting signed approval from the
> executive VP in cuppertino, and that is cause got immediate dismissal
> :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) ;-)

yep its those markers is it red handed for black markers and black
handed for red markers, what about purple and green.

It would do a lot for me to get fired, I love what I do.  I work with
the smartest people in the world.

Sue


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Richard B. Gilbert  
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From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilber...@comcast.net>
Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 20:19:03 -0400
Local: Wed, May 6 2009 8:19 pm
Subject: Re: Sue leaving the VMS eng. group

JF Mezei wrote:
> Sue wrote:

>> And no I was not fired, just looking for a job.

> I have it on good authority that Sue was caught red-handed stealing a
> black felt marker from the office supplies cabinet without having filled
> the pre-requisite paperwork and getting signed approval from the
> executive VP in cuppertino, and that is cause got immediate dismissal
> :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) ;-)

That's libelous JF!

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Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 20:23:42 -0400
Local: Wed, May 6 2009 8:23 pm
Subject: Re: Sue leaving the VMS eng. group

If they were all that smart you would be running HP!

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JF Mezei  
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From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spam...@vaxination.ca>
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 01:52:14 -0400
Local: Thurs, May 7 2009 1:52 am
Subject: Re: Sue leaving the VMS eng. group
Some questions remain unanwered:

-What happens to the VMS ambassadors ? Do they still exist, or will they
be watered down because there is nobody to coordinate communications
with them ?

-What happens to Hobbyist programme ? Sue was the contact/coordinator.
Does that move to her replacement, or is that something that will be in
a vacuum ?

-What happens to coordination with the user group formerly known as
DECUS (I think it is called Connect this week ? Will Sue's replacement
in india be a central worldwide contact for VMS related issues, or will
there be some local representative in each country ?

-Will Sue's most excellent communications such as the Digital Technical
Journal, and her email updates continue with her replacement, or will
her replacement concentrate only on sale opportunities ?

-Will the new gang in India work extremely hard to prove they can handle
the job and end up giving us more than we had before ?


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Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 00:32:28 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: Sue leaving the VMS eng. group
On May 6, 7:05 pm, DaveG <david.gudew...@abbott.com> wrote:

> Just got an email from Ann McQ.  Sue is leaving the VMS group after 15
> years.  Not sure if she's leaving HP or not.  A replacement has been
> named.

The end of an era yes. The end of VMS - No.

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From: ja <JohnDA...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 01:09:47 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: Sue leaving the VMS eng. group
On May 7, 9:32 am, IanMiller <g...@uk2.net> wrote:

> On May 6, 7:05 pm, DaveG <david.gudew...@abbott.com> wrote:

> > Just got an email from Ann McQ.  Sue is leaving the VMS group after 15
> > years.  Not sure if she's leaving HP or not.  A replacement has been
> > named.

> The end of an era yes. The end of VMS - No.

Well said, Ian!

Instead of bemoaning the past, why not accept that change happens and
start off by welcoming someone who has a very hard act to follow?

This has nothing to do with disrespect for Sue S., with whom I have
worked for more years than I can remember.
The note by someone pointing out that she is now "free" to pursue
activities without the "restrictions" placed on her by a very large
enterprise, is extremely important, I think. How about a Boot Camp
(under another name), organized by Sue and held in, say, Bangalore?
Nashua may be nice in the Spring and Fall, but, that hotel, all those
Yanks, ...

We should treat this change as an opportunity to regroup and look to
the future. If half of what you say about OpenVMS is true, then why
are so many of you so negative and sitting on your behinds instead of
getting together?

The Open Source movement is an example which we should attempt to
follow: have an idea, share it, build it, support it, have another
idea, ...

For those that feel the need to bash India and other things foreign,
perhaps they might like to think about how long their respective
countries have been considered "civilized" compared to India or China
for that matter? And how many of the indigenous population were
slaughtered by those arriving in the country who considered their way
was better?

See you in the bright, new future!


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JF Mezei  
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From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spam...@vaxination.ca>
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 05:03:42 -0400
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Subject: Re: Sue leaving the VMS eng. group

ja wrote:
> For those that feel the need to bash India and other things foreign,

This isn't about bashing India. It is about dumping highly experienced
people who have built a product and have industry leading skills and
know how to make quality software in exchange for unknown quality and
quantity folks who may or may not have any experience with VMS. In the
software industry, talent is an asset, not a liability. And HP is
dumping a highly valuable asset in exchange for hiring what is
essentially commodity humans.

As a country, India has done the right thing by investing in education
and now have very capable people. However, in most outsourcing schemes,
the original company does this to lower costs and gives the outsourcing
company defined work guidelines and phone answering scripts and the
people are not given the latitude to make decisions.

There are similar problems when you outsource locally too, with the
people brought in given very strict mandates that they cannot deviate from.

The problem with India is similar to Japan's image in the 1970s. They
had an image of building cheap plastic toys. It took them a couple of
decade to shed that image and obtain an image of high quality products.

Right now, India has an image of low quality low cost work. It isn't
because of the people, it is because what their clients tell them what
to do.


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Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 02:42:13 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: Sue leaving the VMS eng. group
On May 7, 10:03 am, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spam...@vaxination.ca> wrote:

Note that a lot of software work has been done in India and other
countries for years - this is true for most operating systems you know
of.
Do you really think MS Windows is developed in Redmond?

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