Terrible news for Mr VAXman
JF Mezei
bearer of devastating news for Mr VAXman...
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Workmen repairing a roof with a blowtorch yesterday sparked a major
blaze at the iconic Guinness plant in Dublin city centre.
Plumes of thick black smoke billowed across the city skyline as a dozen
fire crews battled to bring the inferno under control and stop it from
spreading to a nearby ammonia plant.
Pat Fleming, assistant chief fire officer with Dublin Fire Brigade, said
it took three-and-a-half hours to get the inferno under control.
�There have been no injuries to any of the Guinness staff but two
firefighters have been taken to hospital as a precaution,� he said. It
is understood the fire broke out when workmen tried to repair a felt
roof with the blowtorch.
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My most sincere condolences to Mr VAXman, and I truly hope you have
sufficient number of barrels of the dark gold elyxir to survive until
production resumes at the plant...
Neil Rieck
> While this should be a festive season, I am affraid that I am to be the
> bearer of devastating news for Mr VAXman...
>
>
> ##
> Workmen repairing a roof with a blowtorch yesterday sparked a major
> blaze at the iconic Guinness plant in Dublin city centre.
>
> Plumes of thick black smoke billowed across the city skyline as a dozen
> fire crews battled to bring the inferno under control and stop it from
> spreading to a nearby ammonia plant.
>
> Pat Fleming, assistant chief fire officer with Dublin Fire Brigade, said
> it took three-and-a-half hours to get the inferno under control.
>
> firefighters have been taken to hospital as a precaution,” he said. It
> is understood the fire broke out when workmen tried to repair a felt
> roof with the blowtorch.
> ##
>
> My most sincere condolences to Mr VAXman, and I truly hope you have
> sufficient number of barrels of the dark gold elyxir to survive until
> production resumes at the plant...
What's next? Global warming melts the ice caps causing floods of the
Heineken factory in Amsterdam?
NSR
VAXman-
>On Dec 21, 11:27=A0pm, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spam...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>> While this should be a festive season, I am affraid that I am to be the
>> bearer of devastating news for Mr VAXman...
>>
>> http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/workmen-spark-b...
>>
>> ##
>> Workmen repairing a roof with a blowtorch yesterday sparked a major
>> blaze at the iconic Guinness plant in Dublin city centre.
>>
>> Plumes of thick black smoke billowed across the city skyline as a dozen
>> fire crews battled to bring the inferno under control and stop it from
>> spreading to a nearby ammonia plant.
>>
>> Pat Fleming, assistant chief fire officer with Dublin Fire Brigade, said
>> it took three-and-a-half hours to get the inferno under control.
>>
>> firefighters have been taken to hospital as a precaution,=94 he said. It
>> is understood the fire broke out when workmen tried to repair a felt
>> roof with the blowtorch.
>> ##
>>
>> My most sincere condolences to Mr VAXman, and I truly hope you have
>> sufficient number of barrels of the dark gold elyxir to survive until
>> production resumes at the plant...
>
>What's next? Global warming melts the ice caps causing floods of the
>Heineken factory in Amsterdam?
Just ship the 24" (60+cm) of snow that was just dumped on us here to the
polls. That'll stop your global warming issues and save Amsterdam. The
Heineken? Who cares?
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Robin Fairbairns
> Neil Rieck <n.r...@sympatico.ca> writes:
>>On Dec 21, 11:27=A0pm, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spam...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>>> While this should be a festive season, I am affraid that I am to be the
>>> bearer of devastating news for Mr VAXman...
>>>
>>> http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/workmen-spark-b...
>>>
>>> ##
>>> Workmen repairing a roof with a blowtorch yesterday sparked a major
>>> blaze at the iconic Guinness plant in Dublin city centre.
>>>
>>> Plumes of thick black smoke billowed across the city skyline as a dozen
>>> fire crews battled to bring the inferno under control and stop it from
>>> spreading to a nearby ammonia plant.
>>>
>>> Pat Fleming, assistant chief fire officer with Dublin Fire Brigade, said
>>> it took three-and-a-half hours to get the inferno under control.
>>>
>>> =93There have been no injuries to any of the Guinness staff but two
>>> firefighters have been taken to hospital as a precaution,=94 he said. It
>>> is understood the fire broke out when workmen tried to repair a felt
>>> roof with the blowtorch.
>>> ##
>>>
>>> My most sincere condolences to Mr VAXman, and I truly hope you have
>>> sufficient number of barrels of the dark gold elyxir to survive until
>>> production resumes at the plant...
does vaxman drink beer from dublin? certainly guinness in this
country comes from a brewery in north london (apart from the odd
special import).
my limited experience of "american guinness" is that it has a very
different taste than that we get over here.
>>What's next? Global warming melts the ice caps causing floods of the
>>Heineken factory in Amsterdam?
entirely possible. the heineken brewery, while it doesn't produce
any terribly exciting fluids, does smell quite nice if you're in the
area (i once had to go to that part of amsterdam, from time to time,
to visit a customer).
>Just ship the 24" (60+cm) of snow that was just dumped on us here to the
>polls. That'll stop your global warming issues and save Amsterdam. The
>Heineken?
i don't think it works like that.
> The Heineken? Who cares?
i do -- if amsterdam's under water, cambridge won't be far behind.
(likewise large swathes of florida, i would guess -- i'm not much of a
geographer, but i know flat landscapes when i see them -- i live in
one.)
--
Robin Fairbairns, Cambridge
IanMiller
The Guinness brewery in Park Royal, London closed in 2005. The UK
product comes from Dublin.
VAXman-
That's because you're drinking the bottled pish. I get my Guinness in 50L cans.
>>>What's next? Global warming melts the ice caps causing floods of the
>>>Heineken factory in Amsterdam?
>
>entirely possible. the heineken brewery, while it doesn't produce
>any terribly exciting fluids, does smell quite nice if you're in the
>area (i once had to go to that part of amsterdam, from time to time,
>to visit a customer).
All I smelled in Amsterdam was the sewage in the canals. :(
>>Just ship the 24" (60+cm) of snow that was just dumped on us here to the
>>polls. That'll stop your global warming issues and save Amsterdam. The
>>Heineken?
>
>i don't think it works like that.
>
>> The Heineken? Who cares?
>
>i do -- if amsterdam's under water, cambridge won't be far behind.
>(likewise large swathes of florida, i would guess -- i'm not much of a
>geographer, but i know flat landscapes when i see them -- i live in
>one.)
Relax, you'll be fine.
Richard B. Gilbert
I hate to tell you this but Amsterdam is already under water! (below sea
level) If the dikes fail in any major way, kiss it good bye!
Neil Rieck
Who cares? Blasphemy!
NSR
Neil Rieck
> In article <676dcf0e-eb6f-468b-aed6-8a3348a75...@k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>, Neil Rieck <n.ri...@sympatico.ca> writes:
> Just ship the 24" (60+cm) of snow that was just dumped on us here to the
> polls. That'll stop your global warming issues and save Amsterdam. The
> Heineken? Who cares?
>
I don't want to get off on a tangent, but I attended a lecture last
month where the presenting scientist claimed that more "polar ice" and
"sub polar snow" is produced when Earth's tilt is closer to 22.1
degrees than to 24.5 degrees. Up until this point I just assumed that
"more even solar cooking" would cause similar temperatures world-wide
but apparently (via evidence from ice cores) a more vertical incline
puts more water into polar weather.
One last point: some scientists are convinced that current global
warming of our climate (which is not the same as weather) was caused
by the Milankovitch Cycles. They claim this warming trend started at
the end of the previous ice age 11,600 years ago, and that warming
would have happened whether we were here or not (but that our
industrial presence hurried warming along).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_forcing
This got me thinking. Maybe the reason why human population is
currently at 6.9 billion was due to this natural warming cycle. So to
save our planet, we will need to engage in all sorts of geoengineering
to prevent the temperature from climbing too high (which will affect
our food supply). Then some time in the future as we enter into the
next ice age, we will use geoengineering to prevent the temperature
from dropping to low.
Think of this a some sort of cosmic survival test.
Seasons greetings!
NSR
VAXman-
>{...snip...}
>One last point: some scientists are convinced that current global
>warming of our climate (which is not the same as weather) was caused
>by the Milankovitch Cycles. They claim this warming trend started at
>the end of the previous ice age 11,600 years ago, and that warming
>would have happened whether we were here or not (but that our
>industrial presence hurried warming along).
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_forcing
>
>This got me thinking. Maybe the reason why human population is
>currently at 6.9 billion was due to this natural warming cycle. So to
>save our planet, we will need to engage in all sorts of geoengineering
>to prevent the temperature from climbing too high (which will affect
>our food supply). Then some time in the future as we enter into the
>next ice age, we will use geoengineering to prevent the temperature
>from dropping to low.
Perhaps, the human population needs to stop "sharing its warmth" to reduce
their figures instead of worrying about fractional degrees of temperature.
7 degrees F (-14 degrees C) here this morning at 40 degrees north latitude!
WAY off the charts for this early in the season and sitting off of the gulf
stream! I don't have current ocean water temps handy but I can assure you
I'm not going for a swim in it. ;)
JF Mezei
> One last point: some scientists are convinced that current global
> warming of our climate (which is not the same as weather) was caused
> by the Milankovitch Cycles. They claim this warming trend started at
> the end of the previous ice age 11,600 years ago, and that warming
> would have happened whether we were here or not (but that our
> industrial presence hurried warming along).
The warming recorded in the last 50 years is way faster than any
cyclical pattern that occurs naturally. So if humnan activities that
cause warming occur during a natural "up" cycle, it will make it even
harder to curb temperature rises.
> Think of this a some sort of cosmic survival test.
Why not just give up. Let the planet kill us, give itself a couple dozen
thousand years to clean up and starts anew again ?
BTW, "global warming" entails an increase in more violent weather, not
just average temperture increases. There are costs to violent weather,
be it Kathina in New Orleans (and Gulf) or some massive blizzard that
paralises the Eastern USA for a few days, instead of sending the snow to
Canada as it should have.
Eurostar is another example of costs due to wether patterns that had not
been planned for.
And of course, when sea levels rise, how much of New York City will
flood regularly ? And the government of Florida may see its tax
revenues dwindlw if large swaths of Florida become part of the ocean and
un-inhabitable due to sea level rise.
Thos opposed to taking action on globl warming always point to the extra
costs for fossil fuels. They never talk about the cost to the economy of
that weather.
Bill Gunshannon
JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> writes:
>
> The warming recorded in the last 50 years is way faster than any
> cyclical pattern that occurs naturally. So if humnan activities that
> cause warming occur during a natural "up" cycle, it will make it even
> harder to curb temperature rises.
Actually, a match-up of temperatire data and sunspot data going back to
the 1800's ( and I didn't even know they knew what sunspots were in the
1800's!) shows a very direct corelation with the temps remaining well
within accepted deltas. Research done back in 1997. Amazing how much
real science gets ignored when it comes to protecting that grant money.
> Why not just give up. Let the planet kill us, give itself a couple dozen
> thousand years to clean up and starts anew again ?
I have said for years that long before we did any lasting damage to the
planet it would sweep us off and carry on as if we had never existed.
I am in favor of your suggestion.
> BTW, "global warming" entails an increase in more violent weather, not
> just average temperture increases. There are costs to violent weather,
> be it Kathina in New Orleans (and Gulf)
The biggest problem with Katrina and the Gulf was not the weather, it
was people who choose to live in places so susceptable to damage from
it. Kind of like where I live. In 1972 the valley below me was devestated
by flooding that was blamed on Hurricane Agnes. I was away with the
military and missed a lot of it (I came home just as the waters receded).
When I bought my home I chose a place 150 feet higher than the river.
Many people rebuilt right back in the flood plain. Some people south of
here even went so far as to build homes on the river side of the dike
the Corp of Engineers had built.
Nature can not do more damage than stupidity.
> or some massive blizzard that
> paralises the Eastern USA for a few days, instead of sending the snow to
> Canada as it should have.
Same thing. I have tired of fighting the snow (actually, it is more
a case of stupidity again as there is no more snow than there was when
I was a child, but they seem much less capable of dealing with it today.)
and plan to retire to the south where the weather is better.
>
> Eurostar is another example of costs due to wether patterns that had not
> been planned for.
>
>
> And of course, when sea levels rise, how much of New York City will
> flood regularly ? And the government of Florida may see its tax
> revenues dwindlw if large swaths of Florida become part of the ocean and
> un-inhabitable due to sea level rise.
And who's fault is it that idiots choose to live there? This is kind of
like Y2K. People have been talking for years about Florida and NYC being
flooded and yet, the populations of both places have actually increased
during that time. Go figure.
>
> Thos opposed to taking action on globl warming always point to the extra
> costs for fossil fuels. They never talk about the cost to the economy of
> that weather.
And then there are those of us who know it has nothing to do with people
at all. It is a natural occurance that sonme people have found a way to
profit from by taking money from other people's wallets. Business as usual.
bill
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Robin Fairbairns
>rf...@cl.cam.ac.uk (Robin Fairbairns) writes:
>>my limited experience of "american guinness" is that it has a very
>>different taste than that we get over here.
>
>That's because you're drinking the bottled pish. I get my Guinness
>in 50L cans.
the only bottled guinness i drink is the bottle-fermented stuff, which
is different again.
mostly (when i drink it at all) i drink it draft.
>>entirely possible. the heineken brewery, while it doesn't produce
>>any terribly exciting fluids, does smell quite nice if you're in the
>>area (i once had to go to that part of amsterdam, from time to time,
>>to visit a customer).
>
>All I smelled in Amsterdam was the sewage in the canals. :(
boggle. ime, the dutch are more careful about their environment than
we are -- i've never smelt pollution in the netherlands.
>>>Just ship the 24" (60+cm) of snow that was just dumped on us here to the
>>>polls. That'll stop your global warming issues and save Amsterdam. The
>>>Heineken?
>>
>>i don't think it works like that.
>>
>>> The Heineken? Who cares?
>>
>>i do -- if amsterdam's under water, cambridge won't be far behind.
>>(likewise large swathes of florida, i would guess -- i'm not much of a
>>geographer, but i know flat landscapes when i see them -- i live in
>>one.)
>
>Relax, you'll be fine.
sure. i'll be dead by the time the water's lapping my front doorstep
-- i'm no spring chicken any more. i worry about my son, really (and
my grandchildren, if they ever transpire -- getting a bit late,
actually).
--
Robin Fairbairns, Cambridge
Robin Fairbairns
>>>> The Heineken? Who cares?
>>> i do -- if amsterdam's under water, cambridge won't be far behind.
>
>I hate to tell you this but Amsterdam is already under water! (below sea
>level) If the dikes fail in any major way, kiss it good bye!
dikes have a way of failing when they're overwhelmed.
when the water comes over the dutch dikes, it'll also flood most of
the land to the north of here. it'll take a little while longer to
reach here (but if i had bought that house out in soham ... well,
that's pretty damn close to sea level, lots of the land round there is
below.)
--
Robin Fairbairns, Cambridge
Neil Rieck
[...snip...]
>
> Actually, a match-up of temperatire data and sunspot data going back to
> the 1800's ( and I didn't even know they knew what sunspots were in the
> 1800's!) shows a very direct corelation with the temps remaining well
> within accepted deltas. Research done back in 1997. Amazing how much
> real science gets ignored when it comes to protecting that grant money.
>
Actually, Galileo was the first person to observe sub spots in the
early 1600s.
I am aware of the correlation between sunspots and their effect on
solar energy delivered to Earth but thought that this had been
dismissed as too small of a change to account for climate change.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_variation
On a related note, every abnormal cooling period can be accounted for
by the action of volcanoes (they release sulphur dioxide which causes
the formation of silvery reflective clouds). I just read an
announcement two weeks ago by researchers who discovered an
undocumented volcano which was responsible for the cooling period at
the start of the 1800s.
On a unrelated note, our Sun is 30% hotter now than it was at first
ignition. It will get hotter with time, but that is not the main cause
of climate change. The shape of the Earth's orbit varies from being
nearly circular (low eccentricity of 0.005) to being mildly elliptical
(eccentricity of 0.058) and has a mean eccentricity of 0.028. When the
orbit is nearly circular (like now) the Earth enjoys an interglacial
period. When the orbit is more elliptical we are plunged back into an
ice age. Interglacials average 20k years while glacials average 100k
years. We are warming now primarily because our orbit is almost
circular AND industrialization added GHG to the mix.
Paleoclimatologists tell us that during the previous interglacial when
the average temperature was 1.5 C higher, that the oceans were 6 m
higher. Will this happen again? Talk to scientists in the Maldives or
Seychelles and they will tell you that oceans have risen 20 cm in the
past 100 years. The bad news about that is 1 cm vertical rise
translates into a greater horizontal tide.
NSR
Bob Koehler
> Actually, a match-up of temperatire data and sunspot data going back to
> the 1800's ( and I didn't even know they knew what sunspots were in the
> 1800's!) shows a very direct corelation with the temps remaining well
> within accepted deltas. Research done back in 1997. Amazing how much
> real science gets ignored when it comes to protecting that grant money.
Amazing how "correlation" can be defined to provide the answer you
wanted. A real problem when doing real science.
Bob Koehler
>
> I am aware of the correlation between sunspots and their effect on
> solar energy delivered to Earth but thought that this had been
> dismissed as too small of a change to account for climate change.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_variation
Haven't got time to read that article right now. Does it go into
the trends in Martian temperature? There are claims that it is
parallelling Earth temperature rise.
Phillip Helbig---undress to reply
koe...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:
> In article <7pf4veF...@mid.individual.net>, bill...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:
>
> > Actually, a match-up of temperatire data and sunspot data going back to
> > the 1800's ( and I didn't even know they knew what sunspots were in the
> > 1800's!) shows a very direct corelation with the temps remaining well
> > within accepted deltas. Research done back in 1997. Amazing how much
> > real science gets ignored when it comes to protecting that grant money.
This has been known for a long time. During the "Little Ice Age", there
were almost no spots. However, there are other things which influence
the Earth's temperature, not just the Sun.
VAXman-
Damn! Those martians should stop attacking earth and pay Al Gore
their carbon credits due.
Bill Gunshannon
No argument there. The point, however, is that there are a lot of
people who seriously doubt the actual relevance of non-natural
activities on the grand scheme of things.