ZTBold-Is it alive?
Ben Dragon
that can work from the Alt-F2 command prompt, (that is, VIO), that will
replace the Tedit/FMT combination... I find them both too restrictive.
ZTree Bold looks good, but the last version is 1.8 dating back to the
late 1990s.
There's an alpha dated from mid-2002, but nothing at all since then and
I tend to stay away from alphas.
Question: Is ZTBold dead?
: Is version 1.80 worth registering? for such an old, no longer
supported program?
: Is there anything else out there that can replace it? and
: Is there any, good, VIO text editors out there better than Tedit?
Thank-you.
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James J. Weinkam
> I've recently been looking for a good file manager and a text editor
> that can work from the Alt-F2 command prompt, (that is, VIO), that will
> replace the Tedit/FMT combination... I find them both too restrictive.
>
invoke the editor of your choice.
> ZTree Bold looks good, but the last version is 1.8 dating back to the
> late 1990s.
> There's an alpha dated from mid-2002, but nothing at all since then and
> I tend to stay away from alphas.
>
> Question: Is ZTBold dead?
It is sad but true that Kim has worked mostly on the windows version in the last
few years; however, see below.
>
> : Is version 1.80 worth registering? for such an old, no longer
> supported program?
> : Is there anything else out there that can replace it? and
> : Is there any, good, VIO text editors out there better than Tedit?
>
> Thank-you.
>
>
I have been using ZTBold, v1.94a3 for years. I couldn't live without it and
recommend it highly despite its age. It is one of the most reliable programs
that I have. I launch nearly everything from ZTree and use it for virtually all
file and directory manipulation.
With my usage pattern there is only one minor unresolved issue: Once in a blue
moon, a ZTree session will suddenly stop responding to the keyboard. I can
minimize the session with the mouse but nothing will close or kill it but a
reboot. On the other hand, the non responsive session almost never interferes
with anything. I can continue to run other programs. I can even start new ZTree
sessions or return to other previously existing ones without a problem. This
problem usually occurs when I get excited and type way too fast, but it may not
be entirely ZTree's fault, because it has been getting much less frequent since
the installation of the last few kernels. It only happens two or three times
per year now.
I urge you to risk the $35. I don't think you will regret it. Maybe if Kim
gets some new OS/2 customers it will motivate him to do some additional OS/2
development. An example of a feature that I would like to see him add is the
ability to operate on EA's. Based on how ZTree works, I think he could add such
a feature with very little effort, and it would make ZTree the best and most
versatile EA editor out there. Another thing he should be able to do quite
easily is to make the internal viewer able to deal with huge files. While
waiting for Kim to get around to this, I wrote my own hex only viewer in PL/I
that I use to view and/or modify files over 2GB that nearly everything else
chokes on. I have ZTree configured to invoke this viewer using Alt-V.
Kim is not only still honoring his lifetime licenses, he is still offering them.
He has asked satisfied customers who use the program a lot to make voluntary
contributions to maintenance and further development, which I have done. I urge
other satisfied OS/2 customers to consider doing the same. Kim deserves support
from the OS/2 community.
Ben Dragon
wrote:
> Ben Dragon wrote:
> > I've recently been looking for a good file manager and a text editor
> > that can work from the Alt-F2 command prompt, (that is, VIO), that will
> > replace the Tedit/FMT combination... I find them both too restrictive.
> >
> ZTree is not itself a full blown text editor, but it can easily be configured to
> invoke the editor of your choice.
Thanks for responding, James. And a hefty reply it is. 8)
I think I inadvertantly, implied that I wanted one program that did both
things; I don't.
I use FMT/Tedit in combination, but mostly I use Tedit from a VIO
session, independant from FMT. As long as I can call the editor from
withing the file manager, the few times I use it there, then I'm happy.
> > ZTree Bold looks good, but the last version is 1.8 dating back to the
> > late 1990s.
> > There's an alpha dated from mid-2002, but nothing at all since then and
> > I tend to stay away from alphas.
> >
> > Question: Is ZTBold dead?
>
> It is sad but true that Kim has worked mostly on the windows version in the last
> few years; however, see below.
>
> >
> > : Is version 1.80 worth registering? for such an old, no longer
> > supported program?
> > : Is there anything else out there that can replace it? and
> > : Is there any, good, VIO text editors out there better than Tedit?
> >
> > Thank-you.
> >
> >
> I have been using ZTBold, v1.94a3 for years. I couldn't live without it and
> recommend it highly despite its age. It is one of the most reliable programs
> that I have. I launch nearly everything from ZTree and use it for virtually all
> file and directory manipulation.
>
snip...
> from the OS/2 community.
That's a great promo for ZTBold and I'll certainly run it through its
paces to see if the increase in power warrents spending more money to
upgrade from FMT.
Also, I thought I read somewhere, (in a posting by Steven Levine I
believe), that ZTBold works great under Telnet as well, allowing the
remote running of programs and file manipulation. Can you confirm this?
And, can you recommend a good VIO text editor that's superior in
fuctionality to Tedit?
Thanks.
Richard Steiner
"Ben Dragon" <B_Drag...@knotself-wrighting.net> spake unto us, saying:
>ZTree Bold looks good, but the last version is 1.8 dating back to the
>late 1990s.
I've been using 1.94a here for some time, but I think it's either beta
or alpha software. Quite stable, though, as far as I can tell.
>Question: Is ZTBold dead?
I think the Windows version is still in development. Kim might still
fix major flaws in the OS/2 version, but I'm not sure about that; you
would have to ask him.
> : Is version 1.80 worth registering? for such an old, no longer
> supported program?
I did. :-)
> : Is there anything else out there that can replace it? and
Well, I tend to use two VIO filemanagers a lot more than ZTree Bold,
namely FileJet 8.48 (a shareware filemanager) and Midnight Commander
(a Norton Commander clone with FTP support ported from Linux):
http://www.bmtmicro.com/BMTCatalog/win/filejet.html
ftp://ftp.bmtmicro.com/bmtmicro/fj848e.zip
http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/util/shell/mc4562st.zip
> : Is there any, good, VIO text editors out there better than Tedit?
I don't know Tedit, but I'm a big fan of FTE:
http://fte.sourceforge.net/
http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/apps/editors/fte20060126.zip
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Steven Levine
01/21/2007
at 09:47 PM, "Ben Dragon" <B_Drag...@knotself-wrighting.net> said:
>Question: Is ZTBold dead?
No. It's alive.
> : Is version 1.80 worth registering? for such an old, no longer
>supported program?
I recommend you discuss this with Kim. He's the only one with actual
knowledge of what he intends to do about the OS/2 version. Asking here
will get you opinions.
Regards,
Steven
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James J. Weinkam
>
> Also, I thought I read somewhere, (in a posting by Steven Levine I
> believe), that ZTBold works great under Telnet as well, allowing the
> remote running of programs and file manipulation. Can you confirm this?
Yes. It's been a long time but as I recall the only issue has to do with the
various shift keys: ZTree displays a menu of single letter commands at the
bottom of the screen. If you hold down the Shift, Ctrl, of Alt key the menu
changes accordingly. In a Telnet session this menu change does not occur. The
Shift, Ctrl, and Alt commands all work correctly but you have to know them by
heart. You can always fire up a local session or make yourself a reference card
if memory fails you.
>
> And, can you recommend a good VIO text editor that's superior in
> fuctionality to Tedit?
I still use PCWrite for that. This is another program that I can highly
recommend. It is a DOS program by Bob Wallace of Quicksoft. Unfortunately,
Quicksoft went out of business many years ago and Bob Wallace disappeared from
the scene. I know of no way to purchase a legal copy except perhaps eBay.
Perhaps someone else can suggest a native OS/2 product that is still supported.
Richard Steiner
"Luc Van Bogaert" <yhp.ina...@fxlarg.or> spake unto us, saying:
>On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:23:44 UTC, "James J. Weinkam" <j...@cs.sfu.ca>
>wrote:
>
>> > And, can you recommend a good VIO text editor that's superior in
>> > fuctionality to Tedit?
>
>Vim ?
He said a "good" VIO editor. :-) :-) Although vim is nice because
it'll work properly via telnet.
Michael DeBusk
<B_Drag...@knotself-wrighting.net> wrote:
> And, can you recommend a good VIO text editor that's superior in
> fuctionality to Tedit?
I've long thought highly of FTE.
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>Here in comp.os.os2.utilities,
>"Luc Van Bogaert" <yhp.ina...@fxlarg.or> spake unto us, saying:
>
>>On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:23:44 UTC, "James J. Weinkam" <j...@cs.sfu.ca>
>>wrote:
>>
>>> > And, can you recommend a good VIO text editor that's superior in
>>> > fuctionality to Tedit?
>>
>>Vim ?
>
>He said a "good" VIO editor. :-) :-) Although vim is nice because
>it'll work properly via telnet.
They don't come any better than X2 - based on the original TEDIT code
but vastly extended, including the ability to write macros in Rexx.
I use it on OS/2, Linux, Windows and (even) DOS.
Michael Greene
Nice but no updates for almost 2 years and no source.
Mike
leto...@nospam.net
Its a commercial product for a mature operating system. Why would he
continue to update for a limited customer pool, not to mention giving away
his code as you want?
>Mike
Bob Martin
Blair still fixes bugs on the Linux and Windows versions. I mostly use the OS/2
version (a hundred times a day - it's my only editor) and I can't recommend it
highly enough. I don't know of any bugs in the latest versions.
btw I have no connection with Blair except that we are both ex-employees of IBM.
leto...@nospam.net
I understand all that. I just thought the suggestion/request to give up
the code and/or continue working on a product for a limited collection of
customers is probably not going to happen -- I know I wouldn't give out
code that could be recompiled to run on another platform, that I was still
selling the product to.
I think I own a license to Ztbold too -- but I haven't used it in years. I
moved to Filestar back in the late 90s, and never really found anything
else as capable. else.
Michael Greene
I didn't ask for updates or want his source code. An observation only.
Mike
leto...@nospam.net
Well it read as if it was implied.
You could consider FileStar. Jim Reed was still working on it 6 months
back. The last beta was Ver. 2999, so it ought to be close to release. It
has an editor, is 100% configurable, its fast and has network support
built in.
>Mike
Michael Greene
I use MED a lot but also my fixed pm version of fte.
Mike