Recommending S3-Trio64 over S3-864?
Wayne Fulton
>
>Is there a significant difference between the two cards above (eg. in
>refresh rates, or flawless support for various OSs (OS/2, Linux, etc.).
>
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>Patrik Virtanen // patv...@utu.fi
I have a Diamond Stealth 64 with Trio 764 chip. That's about all I
know about it <G> The 764 is called Trio because it combines the S3 CPU,
the RAMDAC and dot generator chips into one chip instead of three. I expect
its a cost advantage. Diamond says to use the 864 drive with the 764.
Seems to work.
Diamond has also just announced a Diamond Stealth 64 2001, which uses an
ARK chip instead of a S3 chip. Micron started shipping it in the last
week or two. www.diamondmm.com has announcement.
Paul A Vixie
>Is there a significant difference between the two cards above (eg. in
>refresh rates, or flawless support for various OSs (OS/2, Linux, etc.).
There is no flawless S3 board for OS/2. I've tried three of the best
sellers, and all work perfectly on Win/NT or Win/95 or Win/3.1, which all
three work only marginally on OS/2. All S3 vendors include the same basic
set of drivers, and those drivers are awful. S3.COM needs to hire a
consultant to update their OS/2 2.1 drivers to OS/2 Warp, and clean them up
to run correctly with Win/OS2.
>Diamond has also just announced a Diamond Stealth 64 2001, which uses an
>ARK chip instead of a S3 chip. Micron started shipping it in the last
>week or two. www.diamondmm.com has announcement.
That's encouraging since it would seem to imply a new set of drivers (unless
the ARK has a S3-compatibility mode in which case we're still doomed.) Has
anybody tried one of these new 2001 boards on OS/2?
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Dietmar Berger KS/EIE5 60/3/137 #42550
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> Is there a significant difference between the two cards above (eg. in
> refresh rates, or flawless support for various OSs (OS/2, Linux, etc.).
While configuring the Linux XFree86 S3-Server I just learned that for high color modus
the S3-Trio64 limits the maximum allowed dot-clock to 80MHz. Asking an expert about that
I got the answer that this is due to the documentation of the S3-Trio64 where as the
S3 864 allows 95MHz at high color modus.
My Windows driver doesn't care about this difference, but of course it is not recommended
to exceed the 80MHz dot-clock for longer. But more than 80MHz dot-clock would be
necessary to create e.g. a 1152x864 high color modus at an acceptable refresh rate.
No other significant difference known to me.
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Kurt Johnson
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: In article <DEnHC...@utu.fi>, patv...@utu.fi (Patrik Virtanen) writes:
: > Is there a significant difference between the two cards above (eg. in
: > refresh rates, or flawless support for various OSs (OS/2, Linux, etc.).
: While configuring the Linux XFree86 S3-Server I just learned that for high color modus
: the S3-Trio64 limits the maximum allowed dot-clock to 80MHz. Asking an expert about that
: I got the answer that this is due to the documentation of the S3-Trio64 where as the
: S3 864 allows 95MHz at high color modus.
: My Windows driver doesn't care about this difference, but of course it is not recommended
: to exceed the 80MHz dot-clock for longer. But more than 80MHz dot-clock would be
: necessary to create e.g. a 1152x864 high color modus at an acceptable refresh rate.
I have the #9 GXE 64 which works in OS/2 and linux. The card runs
fine in 1024x768 at 76Hz refresh and 16bit color in OS/2, but linux
seems to believe there is this 80MHz dot clock limit for 16 bit color
in X. So right now I'm in 800x600 at 16bit color, but I think there is
a trick to get around this which was posted recently in
comp.os.linux.x.
The S3-864 chip is supported out-of-the-box in OS/2 Warp while the
Trio64 requires you to download some new drivers from one of the os/2
sites such as ftp.cdrom.com. Slight hassle.
Kurt Johnson
Alex Oren
steve...@vnet.ibm.com
>Is there a significant difference between the two cards above (eg. in
>refresh rates, or flawless support for various OSs (OS/2, Linux, etc.).
>
>Patrik Virtanen // patv...@utu.fi
Having installed the latest S3 OS/2 drivers from S3 Corp (V2.52) and not being able to
run Win-OS/2 in full screen. I cannot recommend a S3-TRIO64 over the S3-864 which
were happily running under the drivers that came with OS/2 Warp.
fr...@sirius.com
I thought I was the only one. Question:
When you run AVI files on the desktop, do they playback kind of "hokey?"
(hokey- adj. - means kind of flakey, in stable.) In this case, my playback pauses
for a split second, then continues, usually on stable periods throughout the AVI
file.
Any thoughts?
fr...@sirus.com
C. E. Wyatt
es:
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--In <DEnHC...@utu.fi>, patv...@utu.fi (Patrik Virtanen) writes:
-->Is there a significant difference between the two cards above (eg. in
-->refresh rates, or flawless support for various OSs (OS/2, Linux, etc.).
-->
-->_______________________________________
-->Patrik Virtanen // patv...@utu.fi
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--Having installed the latest S3 OS/2 drivers from S3 Corp (V2.52) and not being able to
--run Win-OS/2 in full screen. I cannot recommend a S3-TRIO64 over the S3-864 which
--were happily running under the drivers that came with OS/2 Warp.
Must be your system. I use a #9 Vision 330 with a Trio64 chip and the S3
2.52 drivers work great, in all modes. Seamless or full-screen Windows, DOS
games, etc., all work fine. The Trio64 is fast and clean.
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hg...@technet.sg
:In <DEnHC...@utu.fi>, patv...@utu.fi (Patrik Virtanen) writes:
::Is there a significant difference between the two cards above (eg. in
::refresh rates, or flawless support for various OSs (OS/2, Linux, etc.).
::
::_______________________________________
::Patrik Virtanen // patv...@utu.fi
:
:Having installed the latest S3 OS/2 drivers from S3 Corp (V2.52) and not being able to
:run Win-OS/2 in full screen. I cannot recommend a S3-TRIO64 over the S3-864 which
:were happily running under the drivers that came with OS/2 Warp.
I'm using S3-TRIO64 make by DFI Taiwan with S3252.ZIP driver without problem.
timothy reaves
With the S3-Trio64 I had OS/2 would only allow 640x480 and 1024x768 modes - not
800x600 at all! I switched to a Diamond Stealt 864 and all was well under OS/2
and Linux.
John 'Vlad' Adams
: The S3-864 chip is supported out-of-the-box in OS/2 Warp while the
: Trio64 requires you to download some new drivers from one of the os/2
: sites such as ftp.cdrom.com. Slight hassle.
Tell that to my Diamond Stealth 64 DRAM with 2megs and the 864 chip on
my OS/2 Warp Connect box. I've been looking for a driver for a long time
now that will allow me to run 1024x768x16bitplanes at 76Hz like I do on
my NT and Linux boxen. I've tried S3-release ddrivers. I've tried
Diamond's drivers. I've tried all the 864-specific drivers mentioned
on an IBM web page of drivers found via the IBM link in Web Explorer.
I hate the Diamond Stealth 64 DRAM board. It sucks. It blows. It
was a waste of money.
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john adams - university of west florida
want to know more? http://www.uwf.edu/~jadams
Didier TOULOUZE
>In message <434ub8$o...@sernews.raleigh.ibm.com> - steve...@vnet.ibm.com writ
>es:
>--
>--run Win-OS/2 in full screen. I cannot recommend a S3-TRIO64 over the S3-864 which
>--were happily running under the drivers that came with OS/2 Warp.
>
>Must be your system. I use a #9 Vision 330 with a Trio64 chip and the S3
>2.52 drivers work great, in all modes. Seamless or full-screen Windows, DOS
>games, etc., all work fine. The Trio64 is fast and clean.
Yes, i'm agree with you, i have a Trio64 based video card and it works fine with the
2.52 drivers from S3.
But i don't understand why it can't handle 800x600x64K with 1Mb of ram.
If someone have an answer !!
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Didier TOULOUZE
Creteil (FRANCE).
wca...@jax.jaxnet.com
I have a Micron P100 with a Diamond Stealth 64 Dram, running Warp Connect and installed
the drivers that came with card ( I used the alternate installation procedure that
Warp Pharmacy has on their page ).... By looking at the card we found out that
it's a S3 TRIO64 _S3C764_ . HOWEVER, the 864 drivers worked fine.... my point is
just because you have a Diamond S64 Dram doesnt mean anything until you look at
the card and figure it out for sure..!!!
Anyway, does anyone know what #9 driver is equivalent to the Trio64 ???
THanks...
DIEGO RODRIGUEZ GONZALEZ
Use #9 GXE 64 drivers. I've got that card and it uses that chip.
> THanks...
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Keith Williams
: wca...@jax.jaxnet.com wrote:
: > I have a Micron P100 with a Diamond Stealth 64 Dram, running Warp Connect and installed
: > the drivers that came with card ( I used the alternate installation procedure that
: > Warp Pharmacy has on their page ).... By looking at the card we found out that
: > it's a S3 TRIO64 _S3C764_ . HOWEVER, the 864 drivers worked fine.... my point is
: > just because you have a Diamond S64 Dram doesnt mean anything until you look at
: > the card and figure it out for sure..!!!
: > Anyway, does anyone know what #9 driver is equivalent to the Trio64 ???
: Use #9 GXE 64 drivers. I've got that card and it uses that chip.
I also have an S3 Trio 64 card (no name card) that is driving me buggy
under Warp or Warp Connect. The chip set shows an 86C764-D and a Phoenix
BIOS chip. On the back of the card there's a marking "ITEM: VGA-364".
I'm looking for a device driver that I can set the refresh rate with. I
got the card working, after a fashon, but a re-install has now put me back
to VGA only mode. Even when I could get it to "work" any DOS or Windows
full screen would hang the machine hard.
Any Ideas? Tnx
Keith R. Williams
k...@together.net
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Rick Pews
iams) writes:
:>
:>DIEGO RODRIGUEZ GONZALEZ (i942...@petra.euitio.uniovi.es) wrote::>
:> I also have an S3 Trio 64 card (no name card) that is driving me buggy
:> under Warp or Warp Connect. The chip set shows an 86C764-D and a Phoenix
:> BIOS chip. On the back of the card there's a marking "ITEM: VGA-364".
:>
:> I'm looking for a device driver that I can set the refresh rate with. I
:> got the card working, after a fashon, but a re-install has now put me back
:> to VGA only mode. Even when I could get it to "work" any DOS or Windows
:> full screen would hang the machine hard.
:>
:> Any Ideas? Tnx
:>
:> Keith R. Williams
:> k...@together.net
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Try S3's DOS setup program. I believe that it was called st64d.zip and that I
found it on Diamond's FTP site (ftp.diamondmm.com). It works fine with my
Stealth 64 DRAM card (also a Trio/64 card).
Let me know if you can't find it and I'll EMail it to you.
Regards ...
Rick
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