AMD 780G/SB700 Southbridge controller with Danis506.add

[David T. Johnson]

I'm considering attempting to build one more native OS/2 system using the ASUS M4A78 Pro motherboard which has the AMD 780G chipset on it which includes an integrated ATI 3200 graphics chipset and the SB700 southbridge. I'm assuming that the ATI 3200 gear will not work with the last SNAP 3.1.8 driver but I am still not sure if the last Danis506.add driver will work with the SB700 southbridge. Has anyone used OS/2 running natively on a motherboard with the AMD 780G chipset (it's been on sale for over a year in various motherboards)? Posted with OS/2 Warp 4.52 and Sea Monkey 1.5a

[Karlheinz Schmidthaus]

I'm using a Asus M3A79-T Deluxe with the SB700 and SATA is working.

[David T. Johnson]

Karlheinz Schmidthaus wrote: > David T. Johnson wrote: >> I'm considering attempting to build one more native OS/2 system using >> the ASUS M4A78 Pro motherboard which has the AMD 780G chipset on it >> which includes an integrated ATI 3200 graphics chipset and the SB700 >> southbridge. I'm assuming that the ATI 3200 gear will not work with >> the last SNAP 3.1.8 driver >> but I am still not sure if the last Danis506.add driver will work with >> the SB700 southbridge. Has anyone used OS/2 running natively on a >> motherboard with the AMD 780G chipset (it's been on sale for over a >> year in various motherboards)? > I'm using a Asus M3A79-T Deluxe with the SB700 and SATA is working. That's very good news! Thanks for posting it. Posted with OS/2 Warp 4.52 and Sea Monkey 1.5a

[David T. Johnson]

Update on this project. I put the machine together with the M4A78 motherboard and the system is working well. However...one little oddity. My previous Athlon X2 system used an ASUS A8V motherboard with the OS2APIC.PSD driver and recognized and used both processors with the SMP 104a kernel. It would still load the 'UNI' kernel and run okay with that, though. This new M4A78 system absolutely will not boot with a UNI kernel but just halts and reboots immediately after the kernel loads and continues the reboot cycle until powered off. Strange. If you put the SMP kernel along with the SMP OS2LDR and the SMP DOSCALL1.DLL in though, it runs fine without the OS2APIC.PSD driver. If you put the OS2APIC.PSD driver in, it halts while attempting to load resource.sys. Bottom line, though, is that it appears to still be possible to use OS/2 on newer hardware, with the exception of video hardware. I used an ATI x850 series PCI-E video card because the x850 chip was the last ATI chip supported by the SNAP driver. The Nvidia 6600 series cards would usually be a better choice, though, if you are also using Windows because that is the only video chipset supported by both the SNAP driver and that works with the Microsoft Pixel Shader 3.0 that's required to run DirectX 10. The ATI x850 is a somewhat more powerful setup but it will only support DirectX 9 because Microsoft chose not to support it with its shader 3.0. David T. Johnson wrote: > I'm considering attempting to build one more native OS/2 system using > the ASUS M4A78 Pro motherboard which has the AMD 780G chipset on it > which includes an integrated ATI 3200 graphics chipset and the SB700 > southbridge. I'm assuming that the ATI 3200 gear will not work with the > last SNAP 3.1.8 driver but I am still not sure if the last Danis506.add > driver will work with the SB700 southbridge. Has anyone used OS/2 > running natively on a motherboard with the AMD 780G chipset (it's been > on sale for over a year in various motherboards)? Posted with OS/2 Warp 4.52 and Sea Monkey 1.5a

[Peter Brown]

Hi David

David T. Johnson wrote:
> Update on this project. I put the machine together with the M4A78
> motherboard and the system is working well. However...one little oddity.
> My previous Athlon X2 system used an ASUS A8V motherboard with the
> OS2APIC.PSD driver and recognized and used both processors with the SMP
> 104a kernel. It would still load the 'UNI' kernel and run okay with
> that, though. This new M4A78 system absolutely will not boot with a UNI
> kernel but just halts and reboots immediately after the kernel loads and
> continues the reboot cycle until powered off. Strange. If you put the
> SMP kernel along with the SMP OS2LDR and the SMP DOSCALL1.DLL in though,
> it runs fine without the OS2APIC.PSD driver. If you put the OS2APIC.PSD
> driver in, it halts while attempting to load resource.sys. Bottom line,
> though, is that it appears to still be possible to use OS/2 on newer
> hardware, with the exception of video hardware.
>

ISTR that os2apic.psd will not load due to a problem with os2ldr -
surprised it worked with the A8V mainboard though.

I cannot get an Asus M2N system to boot with os2apic.psd when using the
standard os2ldr. That problem is resolved by using the "os4" version of
os2ldr from the os4 kernel package ftp://os2.ru/os2krnlSVN1359.zip

Note you do not have to install the whole kernel package - the os2ldr
will work with standard kernels - but you may want to experiment with
the patched kernel :-)

Regards

Pete

[Count...@monsterchillerhorrortheater.com]

I notice your "sig". Where are you getting SeaMonkey 1.5? I have the
latest 1.1.17 from Warpzilla. They are coming out with 2.0 soon.

"What do you mean there's no movie?"

[Doug Bissett]

On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 00:47:06 UTC, "David T. Johnson"
<djoh...@isomedia.com> wrote:

> Update on this project. I put the machine together with the M4A78
> motherboard and the system is working well. However...one little
> oddity. My previous Athlon X2 system used an ASUS A8V motherboard with
> the OS2APIC.PSD driver and recognized and used both processors with the
> SMP 104a kernel. It would still load the 'UNI' kernel and run okay with
> that, though. This new M4A78 system absolutely will not boot with a UNI
> kernel but just halts and reboots immediately after the kernel loads and
> continues the reboot cycle until powered off. Strange. If you put the
> SMP kernel along with the SMP OS2LDR and the SMP DOSCALL1.DLL in though,
> it runs fine without the OS2APIC.PSD driver. If you put the OS2APIC.PSD
> driver in, it halts while attempting to load resource.sys. Bottom line,
> though, is that it appears to still be possible to use OS/2 on newer
> hardware, with the exception of video hardware.

There is no sense in using a UNI kernel, on any system (even if it is
not SMP) any more. My Asus M3A78-EM board, with quad core Phenom
processor, works good, when I use the SMP kernel, the old APM support,
and OS2APIC.PSD, with eCS 2.0 RC6a. It will not boot, using the new
OS2LDR (latest from a few days ago). It stops even before the boot
blob. I also tried the latest ACPI, dated 07-23. It works the same as
the older versions, with "/SMP /PIC". Using "/SMP /APIC" causes it to
hang while attempting to load USBOHCD.SYS (the first USB driver in
CONFIG.SYS). Other, suggested options, make it go a little further,
but it is a no go. However the latest ACPI is far worse than earlier
versions, because I can lock it solid, simply by trying to access my
weather report, using Firefox 3.5.

...snip...

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(Please make the obvious changes, to e-mail me)

[David T. Johnson]

Peter Brown wrote: > ISTR that os2apic.psd will not load due to a problem with os2ldr - > surprised it worked with the A8V mainboard though. Yes, it has worked fine with the A8V for the last 3 years. > I cannot get an Asus M2N system to boot with os2apic.psd when using the > standard os2ldr. That problem is resolved by using the "os4" version of > os2ldr from the os4 kernel package ftp://os2.ru/os2krnlSVN1359.zip I tried the os2ldr there and it 'lingered' in resource.sys for 5 minutes or so and then trap D in HPFSMINI so it's behavior was slightly different. I've tried various combinations of kernels, loaders, drivers, etc and it does not look as though OS2APIC (or ACPI in SMP mode) will ever load with the M4A78 motherboard, although OS/2 runs fine on the motherboard without those. Maybe some better drivers will pop up in the next year or so but frankly, it's not worth spending much time on for me. I've had the benefit of the two processor cores with OS/2 on the older A8V for the last 3 years and there seems to be very little actual benefit, other than the majestic sight of two cpu traces in blue and red instead of one in blue. I'm just happy to have a working stable OS/2 system. Posted with OS/2 Warp 4.52 and Sea Monkey 1.5a

[Will Honea]

David T. Johnson wrote:

> I tried the os2ldr there and it 'lingered' in resource.sys for 5 minutes
> or so and then trap D in HPFSMINI so it's behavior was slightly
> different.  I've tried various combinations of kernels, loaders,
> drivers, etc and it does not look as though OS2APIC (or ACPI in SMP
> mode) will ever load with the M4A78 motherboard, although OS/2 runs fine
> on the motherboard without those.  Maybe some better drivers will pop up
> in the next year or so but frankly, it's not worth spending much time on
> for me.  I've had the benefit of the two processor cores with OS/2 on
> the older A8V for the last 3 years and there seems to be very little
> actual benefit, other than the majestic sight of two cpu traces in blue
> and red instead of one in blue.  I'm just happy to have a working stable
> OS/2 system.

Please keep posting as you go. I've got one Lenovo desktop here (AMD 64x2,
Nividia chipset, limited to non-existent BIOS options) that I still can't
get working right with eCS 2 - even a virtual machine install fails as you
describe. OTOH, I have a cheap Compaq with the same CPU(s) but an Intel
chipset that worked out of the box - go figure!

--
Will Honea

[Peter Brown]

Hi Will

I have several Desktop systems with nVidia nForce chipsets running
eCS2.0RC6a with the suppied ACPI (V3.14).

The 2 nForce4 systems use PSD=ACPI.PSD /SMP /APIC

The nForce430/MCP61 system uses PSD=ACPI.PSD /SMP /CD /TMR /APIC /!NOD

Try installing without ACPI selected, I think that choice is in the CD
pre-boot menu, and, whatever you do, do *not* run the err...
"acpiwizard" at the end of install as that will almost certainly select
the wrong acpi switches for your system.

Regards

Pete

[Peter Brown]

Hi David

David T. Johnson wrote:
> Peter Brown wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> ISTR that os2apic.psd will not load due to a problem with os2ldr -
>> surprised it worked with the A8V mainboard though.
>
> Yes, it has worked fine with the A8V for the last 3 years.
>
>>
>> I cannot get an Asus M2N system to boot with os2apic.psd when using
>> the standard os2ldr. That problem is resolved by using the "os4"
>> version of os2ldr from the os4 kernel package
>> ftp://os2.ru/os2krnlSVN1359.zip
>>
>
> I tried the os2ldr there and it 'lingered' in resource.sys for 5 minutes
> or so

Is that the original IBM resource.sys or a version supplied with the eCS
ACPI packages? - I suspect the latter should help.

Regards

Pete

[David T. Johnson]

Unfortunately, I don't have anything further to post on the SMP issues.
I'm working on getting the final OS/2 boot image set up so I can put
the machine into production so I've got to move on from the SMP and get
the other stuff finished up. When I started, I wasn't even sure if OS/2
could still be booted so the answer to that is still yes. If someone
comes out with a good solution later for getting the SMP to fire up,
I'll retrofit it in...but it looks like one of those sorts of complex
issues that defies any easy solution.

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[Thorolf Godawa]

Hi,

> continues the reboot cycle until powered off. Strange. If you put the
> SMP kernel along with the SMP OS2LDR and the SMP DOSCALL1.DLL in though,
> it runs fine without the OS2APIC.PSD driver. If you put the OS2APIC.PSD
> driver in, it halts while attempting to load resource.sys.

ACPI is (mostly) not comaptible with the AMD-chipsets, it should work
with Intel-chipsets and some NVidia-chipsets!

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Chau y hasta luego,

Thorolf

[David T. Johnson]

Thorolf Godawa wrote: > Hi, >> continues the reboot cycle until powered off. Strange. If you put the >> SMP kernel along with the SMP OS2LDR and the SMP DOSCALL1.DLL in though, >> it runs fine without the OS2APIC.PSD driver. If you put the OS2APIC.PSD >> driver in, it halts while attempting to load resource.sys. > ACPI is (mostly) not comaptible with the AMD-chipsets, it should work > with Intel-chipsets and some NVidia-chipsets! The A8V deluxe system used an AMD processor with a VIA chipset and worked very well with the IBM OS2APIC.PSD driver and SMP. The M4A78 Pro system uses an AMD processor with the AMD 780G chipset and has (much) better disk controller hardware. The onboard sound (VIA 1708S) and onboard LAN controller (Atheros L1E), however, will not work with currently available OS/2 drivers. The onboard video (ATI HD3200) worked pretty well with the SNAP 3.1.8 driver using the unaccelerated GRADD support that SNAP installed. The Sysbench PM Graphics mark was 65 million pixels/second which is not terrific but provides a very usable look and feel for the OS/2 desktop. However, I eventually put in an NVIDIA GeForce 6600GT PCI-E card that I bought new on ebay for $45. That card is supported for accelerated graphics with the last SNAP 3.1.8 driver and I was amazed to get a Sysbench PM Graphics mark of 2,000 million pixels/second which is easily the fastest graphics I have ever seen on OS/2. I had originally planned on using an ATI x850xt PCI-e card (also supported by the SNAP 3.1.8 driver) but that card would not run Win-OS2 threads in windowed mode but only in full-screen and its overall performance was only half of the GeForce even though it has more powerful hardware. The bottom line for me was that to run OS/2 natively on hardware, the only reasonable choice for video is the GeForce 6600 chipset. Posted with OS/2 Warp 4.52 and Sea Monkey 1.5a

[Percival P. Cassidy]

Doug Bissett wrote:

Did you try /SMP /APIC /!NOD ? That works on my AMD mobo, as does /SMP /PIC

Perce

[Percival P. Cassidy]

David T. Johnson wrote:

> The A8V deluxe system used an AMD processor with a VIA chipset and
> worked very well with the IBM OS2APIC.PSD driver and SMP. The M4A78 Pro
> system uses an AMD processor with the AMD 780G chipset and has (much)
> better disk controller hardware. The onboard sound (VIA 1708S) and
> onboard LAN controller (Atheros L1E), however, will not work with
> currently available OS/2 drivers.

<snip>

I have just read that the VIA 1708S should work with UniAud. Did you try it?

Did you find a suitable NIC with OS/2 support?

Perce

[David T. Johnson]

Percival P. Cassidy wrote: > David T. Johnson wrote: >> The A8V deluxe system used an AMD processor with a VIA chipset and >> worked very well with the IBM OS2APIC.PSD driver and SMP. The M4A78 >> Pro system uses an AMD processor with the AMD 780G chipset and has >> (much) better disk controller hardware. The onboard sound (VIA 1708S) >> and onboard LAN controller (Atheros L1E), however, will not work with >> currently available OS/2 drivers. > <snip> > I have just read that the VIA 1708S should work with UniAud. Did you try > it? Yes, although not the Uniaud files released on August 8. Where did you read that the VIA 1708S would work? I'll have a go with it again in a few weeks. > Did you find a suitable NIC with OS/2 support? Yes...I have Intel MT/1000, Linksys LNE100TX, and Realtek 8139-based NIC PCI cards that all work okay in OS/2. Posted with OS/2 Warp 4.52 and Sea Monkey 1.5a

[Percival P. Cassidy]

David T. Johnson wrote:

>>> The A8V deluxe system used an AMD processor with a VIA chipset and
>>> worked very well with the IBM OS2APIC.PSD driver and SMP. The M4A78
>>> Pro system uses an AMD processor with the AMD 780G chipset and has
>>> (much) better disk controller hardware. The onboard sound (VIA
>>> 1708S) and onboard LAN controller (Atheros L1E), however, will not
>>> work with currently available OS/2 drivers.
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> I have just read that the VIA 1708S should work with UniAud. Did you
>> try it?

> Yes, although not the Uniaud files released on August 8. Where did you
> read that the VIA 1708S would work? I'll have a go with it again in a
> few weeks.

I used the word "should" rather than "would." My source was a message by
Paul Smedley on gmane.org.netlabs.uniaud.general that that VIA chip is
mentioned in the source code, so he *assumes* that it is supported.

>> Did you find a suitable NIC with OS/2 support?

> Yes...I have Intel MT/1000, Linksys LNE100TX, and Realtek 8139-based NIC
> PCI cards that all work okay in OS/2.

I do have a D-Link Gb NIC with a Marvell chip that works well, but I
think that later versions of the same model have a different chip.
Knowing what is actually on the board is not always easy. Someone
reported a few days ago that the company for which he used to work would
buy quantities of the same make and model of computer, but not all of
those in the same shipment would actually be the same internally.

Perce

[Doug Bissett]

I tried a lot of different things. The only combination, that I have
found, that works, at all, is /SMP /PIC. The new OS2LDR stops well
before any ACPI stuff is loaded. It seems to be even before the boot
blob shows up. The best combination, that I have found, is the old APM
(it is still supported in my MB), and the old OS2APIC.PSD.

Sometimes, new isn't better, and ACPI seems to be a disaster...

[Peter Brown]

Hi David

David T. Johnson wrote:
> Percival P. Cassidy wrote:
>> David T. Johnson wrote:
>>
>>> The A8V deluxe system used an AMD processor with a VIA chipset and
>>> worked very well with the IBM OS2APIC.PSD driver and SMP. The M4A78
>>> Pro system uses an AMD processor with the AMD 780G chipset and has
>>> (much) better disk controller hardware. The onboard sound (VIA 1708S)
>>> and onboard LAN controller (Atheros L1E), however, will not work with
>>> currently available OS/2 drivers.
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> I have just read that the VIA 1708S should work with UniAud. Did you
>> try it?
>
> Yes, although not the Uniaud files released on August 8. Where did you
> read that the VIA 1708S would work? I'll have a go with it again in a
> few weeks.
>

You could try updating uniaud114RC6 with the uniaud*.sys files in the
latest HDA builds from http://download.smedley.info/

I suggest starting with the highest numbers ie uniaud32-1.9.18.zip and
uniaud32-1.9.19.zip.

Regards

Pete