Coexisting OS/2 with Windows 7

[David T. Johnson]

Windows 7 coexists without OS/2 on the same disk with relatively few problems. The Windows 7 installer needs free space on the hard disk at the beginning of the hard disk to create its partition but it does not delete any OS/2 partitions. The Windows 7 installer actually has a nice volume manager display that shows all of the OS/2 volumes at the start of the install as well as any free space on the drive and then lets you pick with a radio button where you want Windows 7 to be installed. This is far nicer than previous Windows installers. After the Windows installation is finished, the boot manager is rendered non-startable by Windows which is understandable since it needs to reboot several times during the installation. This means that you need to have utility disks or something similar to boot from to load the logical volume manager and set boot manager to be startable. Also, the Windows 7 install is on a partition that lvm recognizes but you need to use lvm to create a volume from that partition if you want Windows 7 in the boot manager menu. All in all, Windows 7 is the friendliest Windows towards OS/2 since Windows 3.1. Posted with OS/2 Warp 4.52 and Sea Monkey 1.5a

[David T. Johnson]

David T. Johnson wrote: > Windows 7 coexists without OS/2 on the same disk with relatively few > problems. The Windows 7 installer needs free space on the hard disk at > the beginning of the hard disk to create its partition but it does not > delete any OS/2 partitions. The Windows 7 installer actually has a nice > volume manager display that shows all of the OS/2 volumes at the start > of the install as well as any free space on the drive and then lets you > pick with a radio button where you want Windows 7 to be installed. This > is far nicer than previous Windows installers. After the Windows > installation is finished, the boot manager is rendered non-startable by > Windows which is understandable since it needs to reboot several times > during the installation. This means that you need to have utility disks > or something similar to boot from to load the logical volume manager and > set boot manager to be startable. Also, the Windows 7 install is on a > partition that lvm recognizes but you need to use lvm to create a volume > from that partition if you want Windows 7 in the boot manager menu. All > in all, Windows 7 is the friendliest Windows towards OS/2 since Windows > 3.1. Typo: should be: 'Windows 7 coexists WITH OS/2 on the same disk with relatively few problems.' Posted with OS/2 Warp 4.52 and Sea Monkey 1.5a

[Marty]

David T. Johnson wrote:
> Windows 7 coexists without OS/2 on the same disk with relatively few
> problems.

Couldn't wait to run out and get it, eh? ;-)

I'll wait until it's inevitably rammed down my throat, like all previous
versions, thanks.

"Windows 7 is my idea." - MS ad campaign

Great... you can be held accountable for my downtime then...

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[Peter Brown]

Hi Marty

Marty wrote:
> David T. Johnson wrote:
>> Windows 7 coexists without OS/2 on the same disk with relatively few
>> problems.
>
> Couldn't wait to run out and get it, eh? ;-)
>
> I'll wait until it's inevitably rammed down my throat, like all previous
> versions, thanks.
>
> "Windows 7 is my idea." - MS ad campaign
>
> Great... you can be held accountable for my downtime then...
>

Well, only having w2k running in VPC when occassionally needed I must
state that I do not feel the need to rush out and purchase Win7 myself
*but* other people I know will - and they may want to know whether
eCS(OS/2) can co-exist with Win7.

Thanks to David for providing an answer without me having to test :-)

Regards

Pete

[Marty]

Certainly the report is helpful. But in general, it's really never been
a better time to NOT be a Windows user and get off of the treadmill.

OpenOffice has been doing a great job of staying current enough (at
least with my office) with their support of MS Office formats. Wine
continues to be developed actively and works really well for the
previous generation of Win32 software. Firefox/Seamonkey/Mozilla are
excellent products, actively developed and maintained, and continue to
innovate as well in the areas of protection, privacy, and multimedia.
Adobe and Macromedia have both realized that there are other platforms
out there for the PC, and many other companies with proprietary
formats/protocols have followed suit (Skype, Real, etc.). And the
proliferation of mobile devices has left many web sites more accessible
and open to non-Windows software.

I'm sure MS realizes all these things, which is why they're trying to
convince people that THEY want to upgrade, and that it is not being
forced on them. "It was my idea."

I also love the ad campaigns showing 6 year olds doing useless things on
the machines. They tried to show "See, it's easy to use." To me, all
it said was, "Turn your powerful tool into a tinker toy."

Well, at least it can't be any worse than Vista.

[Peter Brown]

Hi Marty

Marty wrote:
> Peter Brown wrote:
>> Hi Marty
>>
>> Marty wrote:
>>> David T. Johnson wrote:
>>>> Windows 7 coexists without OS/2 on the same disk with relatively few
>>>> problems.
>>>
>>> Couldn't wait to run out and get it, eh? ;-)
>>>
>>> I'll wait until it's inevitably rammed down my throat, like all previous
>>> versions, thanks.
>>>
>>> "Windows 7 is my idea." - MS ad campaign
>>>
>>> Great... you can be held accountable for my downtime then...
>>
>> Well, only having w2k running in VPC when occassionally needed I must
>> state that I do not feel the need to rush out and purchase Win7 myself
>> *but* other people I know will - and they may want to know whether
>> eCS(OS/2) can co-exist with Win7.
>>
>> Thanks to David for providing an answer without me having to test :-)
>
> Certainly the report is helpful. But in general, it's really never been
> a better time to NOT be a Windows user and get off of the treadmill.
>

Not being a "real" windows user myself I think anytime is a good time to
ditch windows :-)

> OpenOffice has been doing a great job of staying current enough (at
> least with my office) with their support of MS Office formats. Wine
> continues to be developed actively and works really well for the
> previous generation of Win32 software.

OO3.? for eCS(OS/2) seems to have a little way to go before I consider
replacing OO115 - but I do not need the latest M$ document formats.

I did not know there was a WINE for OS/2?

I guess the recent Odin updates (part of the eCS Flash10 win32
"wrapper") may be based on recent WINE updates.

Firefox/Seamonkey/Mozilla are
> excellent products, actively developed and maintained, and continue to
> innovate as well in the areas of protection, privacy, and multimedia.
> Adobe and Macromedia have both realized that there are other platforms
> out there for the PC,

What do Macromedia do these days?

and many other companies with proprietary
> formats/protocols have followed suit (Skype, Real, etc.). And the
> proliferation of mobile devices has left many web sites more accessible
> and open to non-Windows software.
>
> I'm sure MS realizes all these things, which is why they're trying to
> convince people that THEY want to upgrade, and that it is not being
> forced on them. "It was my idea."
>
> I also love the ad campaigns showing 6 year olds doing useless things on
> the machines. They tried to show "See, it's easy to use." To me, all
> it said was, "Turn your powerful tool into a tinker toy."
>
> Well, at least it can't be any worse than Vista.
>

I doubt much could be.

Vista seemed to be the best way to reduce a fast system to a crawl
instantly from what I saw on some friends PCs - most of them reverted to
XP; 1 bought eCS and several ditched in favour of various *nix releases.

Regards

Pete

[Marty]

Peter Brown wrote:
> Hi Marty
>
> Marty wrote:
>> Peter Brown wrote:
>>> Hi Marty
>>>
>>> Marty wrote:
>>>> David T. Johnson wrote:
>>>>> Windows 7 coexists without OS/2 on the same disk with relatively few
>>>>> problems.
>>>>
>>>> Couldn't wait to run out and get it, eh? ;-)
>>>>
>>>> I'll wait until it's inevitably rammed down my throat, like all
>>>> previous
>>>> versions, thanks.
>>>>
>>>> "Windows 7 is my idea." - MS ad campaign
>>>>
>>>> Great... you can be held accountable for my downtime then...
>>>
>>> Well, only having w2k running in VPC when occassionally needed I must
>>> state that I do not feel the need to rush out and purchase Win7 myself
>>> *but* other people I know will - and they may want to know whether
>>> eCS(OS/2) can co-exist with Win7.
>>>
>>> Thanks to David for providing an answer without me having to test :-)
>>
>> Certainly the report is helpful. But in general, it's really never been
>> a better time to NOT be a Windows user and get off of the treadmill.
>
> Not being a "real" windows user myself I think anytime is a good time to
> ditch windows :-)

The best time was probably around the release of OS/2 2.0. But any
other time is equally acceptable. ;-)

>> OpenOffice has been doing a great job of staying current enough (at
>> least with my office) with their support of MS Office formats. Wine
>> continues to be developed actively and works really well for the
>> previous generation of Win32 software.
>
> OO3.? for eCS(OS/2) seems to have a little way to go before I consider
> replacing OO115 - but I do not need the latest M$ document formats.
>
> I did not know there was a WINE for OS/2?
>
> I guess the recent Odin updates (part of the eCS Flash10 win32
> "wrapper") may be based on recent WINE updates.

Sorry, I don't mean to imply that OS/2 has all these things today. But
the code is out there and open source. It just will take some manpower
to reach the OS/2 world. We are blessed with an excellent and
up-to-date set of Mozilla ports though.

> Firefox/Seamonkey/Mozilla are
>> excellent products, actively developed and maintained, and continue to
>> innovate as well in the areas of protection, privacy, and multimedia.
>> Adobe and Macromedia have both realized that there are other platforms
>> out there for the PC,
>
> What do Macromedia do these days?

I was thinking of Flash actually.

> and many other companies with proprietary
>> formats/protocols have followed suit (Skype, Real, etc.). And the
>> proliferation of mobile devices has left many web sites more accessible
>> and open to non-Windows software.
>>
>> I'm sure MS realizes all these things, which is why they're trying to
>> convince people that THEY want to upgrade, and that it is not being
>> forced on them. "It was my idea."
>>
>> I also love the ad campaigns showing 6 year olds doing useless things on
>> the machines. They tried to show "See, it's easy to use." To me, all
>> it said was, "Turn your powerful tool into a tinker toy."
>>
>> Well, at least it can't be any worse than Vista.
>
> I doubt much could be.
>
> Vista seemed to be the best way to reduce a fast system to a crawl
> instantly from what I saw on some friends PCs - most of them reverted to
> XP; 1 bought eCS and several ditched in favour of various *nix releases.

Plus it didn't even run some pretty standard programs that ran fine on
XP for me. I had Full Tilt Poker crash on me 4 or 5 times already and
never had this problem in XP.

[Dave Yeo]

On 11/05/09 08:37 am, David T. Johnson wrote:
> All in all, Windows 7 is the friendliest Windows towards OS/2 since
> Windows 3.1.

I have a copy of Win2k sp3 which was pretty friendly installing here.
Needed the same workarounds to install as I've heard about OS/2 needing
(turn of cache etc in bios) and told me how to restore BootManager at
the end of the install using the built in tools. This was a non-lvm
system with win98 on C:
Dave

[Shmuel Metz]

In <hd4l0n$1be$1...@news.eternal-september.org>, on 11/07/2009

at 12:23 PM, Marty <n...@comcast.martyamodeo> said:

>Well, at least it can't be any worse than Vista.

"So I cheered up, and sure enough things got worse."

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[Roderick Klein]

Interesting reading. Did you create any of the partitions with LVM from
OS/2 ?

Basicly from what we have seen with LVM.DLL is that it basicly writes
zero's to the MBR where the so called Windows Disk Signature is stored:
See for details http://www.multibooters.co.uk/mbr.html for details.

For eCS we created a wrapper DLL. The moment you create a volume for eCS
it reads this value from the MBR and writes it back.

Or can you use DFsee to lookup (before you install CD) this value and
store it. If you have an OEM CD/original retail CD you can boot to the
recovery console

These type of troubles you can also find out about in Linux forums.
Windows Vista and Windows 7 use this Disk Signature if its wiped in the
MBR and you don't have it noted down, you need a boot CD to restore it.

Roderick Klein