Re: VOICE Newsletter Skips its May Issue, and Publishes a June Newsletter
Mark Dodel
wrote:
-> As the system administrator for VOICE I maintain the VOICE servers. This
-> includes mail, webpages, newslists and anything else having to do with the
-> VOICE and VOICE hosted domains. I have been doing this for nearly three
-> years now.
->
-> I find your post full of inaccuracies and outright rubbish. Aside from the
-> portion concerning the release of the June newsletter there is nothing of
-> truth in any of the charges you have presented.
Thanks for the followup Ken. Two points which could have been noted
to Jeramie had he taken the time to contact yourself or myself before
launching his attack on VOICE.
1. He posts to the news list using OS/2 World's news submission form.
That has had periods of weeks and even months where posts failed to
come through to VOICE. If he really wanted to make sure it came
through he should use the VOICE Web form on
http://www.os2voice.org/fSubNews.html Since all the other OS/2-eCS
related news web sites receive VOICE news posts they would still get
them.
2. I have been told by those with far more knowledge about
networking then myself that if he has any problems it is probably
related to his misconfigured domain name server. See
http://os2ecs.org/comments.html for at least one other persons
problems with getting mail rejected to os2ecs.org domain. Checking
for his MX record:
Searching for os2ecs.org MX record at f.root-servers.net
[192.5.5.241]: Got referral to TLD3.ULTRADNS.org. [took 52 ms]
Searching for os2ecs.org MX record at TLD3.ULTRADNS.org. [199.7.66.1]:
Got referral to ns2.mydyndns.org. [took 8 ms]
Searching for os2ecs.org MX record at ns2.mydyndns.org.
[204.13.249.82]: Reports that no MX records exist. [took 29 ms]
Answer:
No MX records exist for os2ecs.org. [Neg TTL=1800 seconds]
Details:
ns2.mydyndns.org. (an authoritative nameserver for os2ecs.org.) says
that there are no MX records for os2ecs.org.
The E-mail address in charge of the os2ecs.org. zone is:
zone-...@dyndns.org.
Despite being told by just about everyone that there never was any
block and that any problems are on his end, he still has this stupid
attack on his web site. Hopefully Jeramie will just admit he was
wrong and end this nonsense. An apology is long overdue at this
point.
Mark
->
-> In <1149175253.6...@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, on 06/01/2006
-> at 08:20 AM, ecsr...@os2ecs.org said:
->
-> >June 1, 2006
->
-> >The May issue of the VOICE Newsletter has never seen the light of day.
-> >However, VOICE today has published its June issue on time for the first
-> >time in months. Can we expect to see a July issue on time? Don't hold
-> >your breath.
->
-> > These are the same folks who are denying OS2eCS Org. members
-> >from joining their VOICE Newslist using their os2ecs.org email accounts.
->
-> This is patently untrue.
->
-> First, the VOICE news maillist subscription process is automatic,
-> completed either by mailing a request to the listserver or via the VOICE
-> "Mail lists" web page form. The *only* requirement for the list is to
-> reply to the automatically generated request confirmation email. There is
-> no other "review" of subscription requests either manually or by filter.
->
-> Secondly, the *sole* cause for an address being removed from the list is
-> repeated failure returns against that address.
->
-> No one has *ever* been denied access nor removed from the list for *any*
-> reason other than those I listed above.
->
-> >These are the same folks who are censoring OS2eCS Org. news items from
-> >their news list.
->
-> Can you produce even one instance of an item you have either sent to the
-> VOICENws submit address or posted via the web page? You run your own mail
-> server, post or email me the log portion showing the item submission and
-> I'll check the corresponding logs for that message to find out what
-> happened. But I can assure you that there was *no* "censoring" of any of
-> your items.
->
-> Barring any such proof, what you have is simply another untrue allegation.
->
-> > Quite simply, this is not a way to play nice. The OS2
-> >Community has always been an open and welcoming community. I have to
-> >admit I'm surprised by these actions of VOICE.
->
-> I cannot believe you would be as surprised as I was by your completely
-> unfounded accusations. The heart of VOICE is its core people. I am one of
-> them. As the system administrator I am the one who is closest to the
-> operation of the web and mail servers. I know how things are done, and I
-> take umbrage at what I see as baseless allegations against the work I am
-> doing.
->
-> {snip}
->
-> > The VOICE Newsletter is
-> >incompatible with Netscape, IBM WebBrowser (that ships and installs by
-> >default with eComStation 1.1), and IBM WebExplorer.
->
-> The Newsletter is readable with the IBM WebBrowser. You are correct that
-> it is not compatible with the older Netscape versions nor WebExplorer.
-> When the new format was being tested, the web access logs for the previous
-> 2 years was scanned to find out which browsers were being used. There were
-> *no* accesses using Netscsape 2.xx nor WebExplorer. The only access using
-> Netscape 4.xx were mine as I tested the main web pages.
->
->
--
From the eComStation of Mark Dodel
http://www.os2voice.org
Warpstock 2006, Windsor, Ontario, Canada, Oct 12-15, 2006 -
http://www.warpstock.org
ecsr...@os2ecs.org
The issue regarding the misconfiguration in the DNS system for the
os2ecs.org domain has been handled before the last eZine was published
(in April 2006).
The blocking of OS2eCS Org. related news to the VOICE news list and the
refusal of the VOICE automated email list(Powered by MajorMajor..the
same software we use here at OS2eCS Org. for our lists) to accept any
email from the os2ecs.org domain--This happened after the April eZine.
Checking
> for his MX record:
>
> Searching for os2ecs.org MX record at f.root-servers.net
> [192.5.5.241]: Got referral to TLD3.ULTRADNS.org. [took 52 ms]
> Searching for os2ecs.org MX record at TLD3.ULTRADNS.org. [199.7.66.1]:
> Got referral to ns2.mydyndns.org. [took 8 ms]
> Searching for os2ecs.org MX record at ns2.mydyndns.org.
> [204.13.249.82]: Reports that no MX records exist. [took 29 ms]
>
> Answer:
> No MX records exist for os2ecs.org. [Neg TTL=1800 seconds]
>
> Details:
> ns2.mydyndns.org. (an authoritative nameserver for os2ecs.org.) says
> that there are no MX records for os2ecs.org.
> The E-mail address in charge of the os2ecs.org. zone is:
> zone-admin@...
>
Perhaps the person who tutored you about networking, should have
explained to you that MX records are not necessary to resolve an email
address. If no MX records are found, the second step in the processs is
to use the A-Records in the DNS system.
I have found a tutorial for you:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MX_record
This elaborate Technical Babble that you spew to cover VOICE's tracks
is pathetic!
The simple truth is: Since we have posted what VOICE has been doing,
everything is now magically working!
Members can subscribe to the VOICE News List with their os2ecs.org
domain. And OS2eCS Org. News submissions (or at least the recent one)
has been posted to the VOICE news list.
Yes, we have used the OS2World News submissions (HTML Form) for all our
news items. And requests to the VOICE Newslist were done using your
website (HTML) form. Its interesting to note that you did get the
recent one that was submitted..but not all the previous ones! How
convienent. The recent one was submited after we posted about the VOICE
block.
It was your previous WebMaster Jeremy, who instigated the K-line on the
Webbnet IRC Network against me (this was at the time when he was still
a webmaster for VOICE). There was no basis for that. I did not ban him
in #os/2warp, I only acknowledged to him that the personal attack
against the owner of #os/2warp was uncalled for. The only reason for
the other WebbNet admins agreeing with the K-line against me was
because they were friends of Jeremy, and he nodoubt he shared with them
my political views--thereby causing them to consider me their enemies.
It really is pathetic that some people can not put aside their
political views and associated hatred and work together--even in the
OS/2 community!
I recommended to VOICE that they host their meetings on the eComStation
IRC Network--thus supporting OS/2 and eComStation! Apparently the VOICE
management has another agenda.
Would VOICE dare to consider a permanent move to the "Public"
eComStation IRC Network to host its meetings? It would certainly be a
positive step for VOICE to support those who have put a lot of effort
into building the eComStation IRC network, and a testament of VOICE
supporting the OS/2 community more.
I was surprised to see that the last VOICE speakups have been hosted on
the eComStation IRC Network! Perhaps there is hope!
I have no time for games. I'm glad this matter has been resolved.
You may continue to Spin as you wish. As far as I'm concerned, the
matter is closed. There are other things that need my attention.
Regarding the 386sx, it is no longer hosting any OS2eCS Org. services.
All services have been migrated to our new server. The 386sx has been
recycled and will be used as a Time Clock and Inventory Management
Terminal. There will be a future article in the OS2eCS eZine regarding
that project.
Regards,
Jeramie Samphere
President,
OS2eCS Organization
"Supporting the past OS/2 users..and the future..eComStation!"
http://os2ecs.org
(Official Channel)#os2ecsorg on the eComStation IRC Network (USA Leaf
Server: irc.os2ecs.org)
(Undernet Outpost)#os2-ecs on the Undernet IRC Network
<snip>
Bob Eager
> Perhaps the person who tutored you about networking, should have
> explained to you that MX records are not necessary to resolve an email
> address. If no MX records are found, the second step in the processs is
> to use the A-Records in the DNS system.
Dear Mr Martin,
This is generally regarded as poor practice, because there is no proper
backup prioritisation. One would have expected os2ecs.org to have done
better than this. It makes the email system potentially weak, and likely
to lose stuff.
--
Bob Eager
ecsr...@os2ecs.org
Bob Eager wrote:
> On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 18:55:15 UTC, ecsr...@os2ecs.org wrote:
>
> > Perhaps the person who tutored you about networking, should have
> > explained to you that MX records are not necessary to resolve an email
> > address. If no MX records are found, the second step in the processs is
> > to use the A-Records in the DNS system.
>
> Dear Mr Martin,
Greetings Mr. Eager,
I take no insult of your attempt to compare me to Tim Martin.
-1 Peter 3:9
>
> This is generally regarded as poor practice, because there is no proper
> backup prioritisation. One would have expected os2ecs.org to have done
> better than this. It makes the email system potentially weak, and likely
> to lose stuff.
"The MX mechanism provides the ability to run multiple mail servers for
a single domain and the order in which they should be tried, increasing
the likelihood that mail may be delivered and providing the ability to
distribute the processing of incoming mail across multiple physical
servers." -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MX_record
At the OS2eCS Organization, we run only one eMail server. There is no
need for a second email server, since we don't run Windows, and our
email server is very reliable and there are no performance issues (we
don't run bloatware). Hence there is no need for MX entries. The DNS
system *will* use the A-Record if there are no MX entries specified.
That is the specification. Unless the DNS server is running Windows and
crashes while its checking for MX records and isn't able to complete
its execution of the standard protocol...well then..the request will
not get handled by that DNS server and will pass on to another DNS
server. Then the process repeats. The DNS system is robust and tiered
for redundancy.
Perhaps if your used to administering Windows eMail servers.."it is
best practice" to use MX entries.
If SMTP server isn't able to deliver mail on the first attempt, it will
try again..until the set timeout period. So as with DNS, SMTP has some
error handling also.
Regards,
Jeramie Samphere
President,
OS2eCS Organization
"Supporting the past OS/2 users..and the future..eComStation!"
2 Corinthians 13:11-14
>
> --
> Bob Eager
Bob Eager
> I take no insult of your attempt to compare me to Tim Martin.
That's a worry.
> "The MX mechanism provides the ability to run multiple mail servers for
> a single domain and the order in which they should be tried, increasing
> the likelihood that mail may be delivered and providing the ability to
> distribute the processing of incoming mail across multiple physical
> servers." -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MX_record
Wikipedia is hardly an authoritative source.
> At the OS2eCS Organization, we run only one eMail server. There is no
> need for a second email server, since we don't run Windows, and our
> email server is very reliable and there are no performance issues (we
> don't run bloatware). Hence there is no need for MX entries. The DNS
> system *will* use the A-Record if there are no MX entries specified.
> That is the specification. Unless the DNS server is running Windows and
> crashes while its checking for MX records and isn't able to complete
> its execution of the standard protocol...well then..the request will
> not get handled by that DNS server and will pass on to another DNS
> server. Then the process repeats. The DNS system is robust and tiered
> for redundancy.
There is no redundancy if yout network connection goes down.
> Perhaps if your used to administering Windows eMail servers.."it is
> best practice" to use MX entries.
No, I run OS/2 emails servers, but unlike you recognise that there are
such things as network and hardware failures.
> "Supporting the past OS/2 users..and the future..eComStation!"
But knocking other people who do so, just as Tim Martin.
--
Bob Eager
begin 123 a new life...take up Extreme Ironing!
ecsr...@os2ecs.org
> On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 22:56:35 UTC, ecsr...@os2ecs.org wrote:
>
> > I take no insult of your attempt to compare me to Tim Martin.
>
> That's a worry.
>
> > "The MX mechanism provides the ability to run multiple mail servers for
> > a single domain and the order in which they should be tried, increasing
> > the likelihood that mail may be delivered and providing the ability to
> >> > distribute the processing of incoming mail across multiple physical
> > servers." -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MX_record
>
> Wikipedia is hardly an authoritative source.
"Do you need an MX record?
If mail for your host/domain should be delivered directly to a host
with the same name, then you do not "technically" need an MX record
unless you have a backup mail server (more on this in the next section)
meant to receive mail in the event that the primary server is
unavailable. "
--
http://www.dyndns.com/support/kb/archives/email_mail_exchangers_and_dns.html
> >
> >
> There is no redundancy if yout network connection goes down.
We are looking at implimenting a backup network connection when the new
Hobbes is fully operational. The new hobbes is a fully donation funded
project. Your welcome to make a donation to OS2eCS Org.
It would be nice to have a backup server, but at this time its not
needed. Our server is setup for failover. If a trap happens the system
automatically reboots and services are back within less than 2min. By
then the SMTP protocol will send another attempt.
Since the server has been operational, there have been no traps.
We will be implimenting a redundant SCSI RAID DASD when we have enough
funding for it.
>
> > Perhaps if your used to administering Windows eMail servers.."it is
> > best practice" to use MX entries.
>
> No, I run OS/2 emails servers, but unlike you recognise that there are
> such things as network and hardware failures.
>
> > Regards,
> >Jeramie Samphere
> >President,
> >OS2eCS Organization
> >"Supporting the past OS/2 users..and the future..eComStation!"
> >2 Corinthians 13:11-14
>
> But knocking other people who do so, just as Tim Martin.
Your supposition is that VOICE can do no wrong.
>
> --
> Bob Eager
> begin 123 a new life...take up Extreme Ironing!
Ever seen an iron that uses hot coals? Their preaty neat!
Mark Dodel
-> The issue regarding the misconfiguration in the DNS system for the
-> os2ecs.org domain has been handled before the last eZine was published
-> (in April 2006).
->
-> The blocking of OS2eCS Org. related news to the VOICE news list and the
-> refusal of the VOICE automated email list(Powered by MajorMajor..the
-> same software we use here at OS2eCS Org. for our lists) to accept any
-> email from the os2ecs.org domain--This happened after the April eZine.
You ave been told that this fallacy never happened. Either apologize
for this unprovoked attack and take your charges down off your site or
you will pay the consequences.I have been more than tolerant of your
nonsense. You have crossed the line. Just admit you made a mistake
and move on. I am not joking. You have invented this war. I could
care less about your insignificant web site. I find it cheeky to say
the least that you started this because you had problems getting posts
from my announcement list to feed your own mail list. That is just
plain wrong. Do the work yourself. But the fact is no one ever
blocked you except your own ineptitude at configuring your mail
server.
You have maligned the VOICE organization, the VOICE board, our web
site, our newsletter and you have repeatedly called me a liar. If you
want a war you can have one, but I am giving you one last warning.
Heed it or you will find what little integrity you have left totally
destroyed. So far you have only managed to piss off a lot of people.
That certainly can't be any advantage to you. Please think long and
hard before you respond.
Mark
->
->
-> Checking
-> > for his MX record:
-> >
-> > Searching for os2ecs.org MX record at f.root-servers.net
-> > [192.5.5.241]: Got referral to TLD3.ULTRADNS.org. [took 52 ms]
-> > Searching for os2ecs.org MX record at TLD3.ULTRADNS.org. [199.7.66.1]:
-> > Got referral to ns2.mydyndns.org. [took 8 ms]
-> > Searching for os2ecs.org MX record at ns2.mydyndns.org.
-> > [204.13.249.82]: Reports that no MX records exist. [took 29 ms]
-> >
-> > Answer:
-> > No MX records exist for os2ecs.org. [Neg TTL=1800 seconds]
-> >
-> > Details:
-> > ns2.mydyndns.org. (an authoritative nameserver for os2ecs.org.) says
-> > that there are no MX records for os2ecs.org.
-> > The E-mail address in charge of the os2ecs.org. zone is:
-> > zone-admin@...
-> >
->
-> Perhaps the person who tutored you about networking, should have
-> explained to you that MX records are not necessary to resolve an email
-> address. If no MX records are found, the second step in the processs is
-> to use the A-Records in the DNS system.
->
-> I have found a tutorial for you:
-> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MX_record
->
-> This elaborate Technical Babble that you spew to cover VOICE's tracks
-> is pathetic!
->
-> The simple truth is: Since we have posted what VOICE has been doing,
-> everything is now magically working!
->
-> Members can subscribe to the VOICE News List with their os2ecs.org
-> domain. And OS2eCS Org. News submissions (or at least the recent one)
-> has been posted to the VOICE news list.
->
-> Yes, we have used the OS2World News submissions (HTML Form) for all our
-> news items. And requests to the VOICE Newslist were done using your
-> website (HTML) form. Its interesting to note that you did get the
-> recent one that was submitted..but not all the previous ones! How
-> convienent. The recent one was submited after we posted about the VOICE
-> block.
->
-> It was your previous WebMaster Jeremy, who instigated the K-line on the
-> Webbnet IRC Network against me (this was at the time when he was still
-> a webmaster for VOICE). There was no basis for that. I did not ban him
-> in #os/2warp, I only acknowledged to him that the personal attack
-> against the owner of #os/2warp was uncalled for. The only reason for
-> the other WebbNet admins agreeing with the K-line against me was
-> because they were friends of Jeremy, and he nodoubt he shared with them
-> my political views--thereby causing them to consider me their enemies.
-> It really is pathetic that some people can not put aside their
-> political views and associated hatred and work together--even in the
-> OS/2 community!
->
-> I recommended to VOICE that they host their meetings on the eComStation
-> IRC Network--thus supporting OS/2 and eComStation! Apparently the VOICE
-> management has another agenda.
->
->
-> Would VOICE dare to consider a permanent move to the "Public"
-> eComStation IRC Network to host its meetings? It would certainly be a
-> positive step for VOICE to support those who have put a lot of effort
-> into building the eComStation IRC network, and a testament of VOICE
-> supporting the OS/2 community more.
->
-> I was surprised to see that the last VOICE speakups have been hosted on
-> the eComStation IRC Network! Perhaps there is hope!
->
-> I have no time for games. I'm glad this matter has been resolved.
-> You may continue to Spin as you wish. As far as I'm concerned, the
-> matter is closed. There are other things that need my attention.
->
-> Regarding the 386sx, it is no longer hosting any OS2eCS Org. services.
-> All services have been migrated to our new server. The 386sx has been
-> recycled and will be used as a Time Clock and Inventory Management
-> Terminal. There will be a future article in the OS2eCS eZine regarding
-> that project.
->
-> Regards,
-> Jeramie Samphere
-> President,
-> OS2eCS Organization
-> "Supporting the past OS/2 users..and the future..eComStation!"
-> http://os2ecs.org
-> (Official Channel)#os2ecsorg on the eComStation IRC Network (USA Leaf
-> Server: irc.os2ecs.org)
-> (Undernet Outpost)#os2-ecs on the Undernet IRC Network
->
-> <snip>
Mark Dodel
wrote:
-> On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 22:56:35 UTC, ecsr...@os2ecs.org wrote:
->
-> > I take no insult of your attempt to compare me to Tim Martin.
->
-> That's a worry.
->
-> > "The MX mechanism provides the ability to run multiple mail servers for
-> > a single domain and the order in which they should be tried, increasing
-> > the likelihood that mail may be delivered and providing the ability to
-> > distribute the processing of incoming mail across multiple physical
-> > servers." -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MX_record
->
-> Wikipedia is hardly an authoritative source.
->
-> > At the OS2eCS Organization, we run only one eMail server. There is no
-> > need for a second email server, since we don't run Windows, and our
-> > email server is very reliable and there are no performance issues (we
-> > don't run bloatware). Hence there is no need for MX entries. The DNS
-> > system *will* use the A-Record if there are no MX entries specified.
-> > That is the specification. Unless the DNS server is running Windows and
-> > crashes while its checking for MX records and isn't able to complete
-> > its execution of the standard protocol...well then..the request will
-> > not get handled by that DNS server and will pass on to another DNS
-> > server. Then the process repeats. The DNS system is robust and tiered
-> > for redundancy.
->
-> There is no redundancy if yout network connection goes down.
->
-> > Perhaps if your used to administering Windows eMail servers.."it is
-> > best practice" to use MX entries.
->
-> No, I run OS/2 emails servers, but unlike you recognise that there are
-> such things as network and hardware failures.
->
Bob is too humble. He has written a simple and easy to use OS/2 mail
server and client. See his web site
http://www.tavi.co.uk/os2pages/mail.html . I am certain that Bob
knows more about mail servers and networking and OS/2 than Jeramie
could ever dream of learning. I always read Bob's posts to learn
things. I am not being nice because Bob agrees with me. Just ask
anyone that folows these groups.
-> > "Supporting the past OS/2 users..and the future..eComStation!"
->
-> But knocking other people who do so, just as Tim Martin.
->
I will make no further comments at this time.
Mark
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
06/03/2006
at 11:55 AM, ecsr...@os2ecs.org said:
>The blocking of OS2eCS Org. related news to the VOICE news list and
>the refusal of the VOICE automated email list(Powered by
>MajorMajor..the same software we use here at OS2eCS Org. for our
>lists) to accept any email from the os2ecs.org domain--This happened
>after the April eZine.
What is the IP address of your e-mail client and what error response
are you getting?
>Perhaps the person who tutored you about networking, should have
>explained to you that MX records are not necessary to resolve an
>email address.
You're out of date. There is a growing consensus that fallback to A is
an anachronism that can no longer be tolerated, due to spam issues.
The lack of rDNS is another reason for rejecting e-mail from that
domain.
>This elaborate Technical Babble that you spew to cover VOICE's
>tracks is pathetic!
He posted no techobabble; his statements were clear and
understandable.
>I have no time for games. I'm glad this matter has been resolved.
If it has been. You're still misconfigured, and that may cause you
problems in the future. If you have no time for games then you should
fix your DNS now rather than waiting for it to bite you again.
Note: I'm an eCS user, and Serenity has my permission to confirm that
should you wish to ask them.
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT <http://patriot.net/~shmuel>
Unsolicited bulk E-mail subject to legal action. I reserve the
right to publicly post or ridicule any abusive E-mail. Reply to
domain Patriot dot net user shmuel+news to contact me. Do not
reply to spam...@library.lspace.org
ecsos...@gmail.com
> On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 18:55:15 UTC, ecsr...@os2ecs.org wrote:
>
> -> The issue regarding the misconfiguration in the DNS system for the
> -> os2ecs.org domain has been handled before the last eZine was published
> -> (in April 2006).
> ->
> -> The blocking of OS2eCS Org. related news to the VOICE news list and the
> -> refusal of the VOICE automated email list(Powered by MajorMajor..the
> -> same software we use here at OS2eCS Org. for our lists) to accept any
> -> email from the os2ecs.org domain--This happened after the April eZine.
>
> You ave been told that this fallacy never happened.
You are a lying sack of cow dung with big penis-envy.
> Either apologize
> for this unprovoked attack and take your charges down off your site or
> you will pay the consequences.
I will do neither, in fact I will say publicly that you are a racist
facist pompous bully pig and I will display whatever I want on my
website. Go sit on a dead vibrator or a cold cucumber because you love
it up your butt.
> I have been more than tolerant of your
> nonsense. You have crossed the line.
YOU have crossed the line by blocking my members from your stupid news
list. Your nipples are purple and crusty. What you have been is
stupid - too stupid to know what you are doing half the time.
> Just admit you made a mistake
> and move on.
The only mistake made was by you. You should sit on bigger dicks.
> I am not joking.
That's because you ARE a joke you freakin' drugged-out ho.
> You have invented this war.
YOU are the war you dumbface rummy rumsfield jerk.
>I could
> care less about your insignificant web site.
My website makes you livid. You have worked privately to hack it every
chance you get and to get others to try and destroy it. You have a
tiny brain you whimp cancerous fungi.
I find it cheeky to say
> the least that you started this because you had problems getting posts
> from my announcement list to feed your own mail list. That is just
> plain wrong. Do the work yourself. But the fact is no one ever
> blocked you except your own ineptitude at configuring your mail
> server.
NO YOU BLOCKED ME AND ALL MY MEMBERS! I am shutting down the site now
because of you and we will leave you in the dust of your own crap.
> You have maligned the VOICE organization, the VOICE board, our web
> site, our newsletter and you have repeatedly called me a liar. If you
> want a war you can have one, but I am giving you one last warning.
> Heed it or you will find what little integrity you have left totally
> destroyed. So far you have only managed to piss off a lot of people.
> That certainly can't be any advantage to you. Please think long and
> hard before you respond.
>
> Mark
>
Screw you, you self-centered dickhead.
Mark Dodel
larry/timmy/multitroll has returned. This is not Jeramie. This is
the whackoboy from San Francisco. He is even more insane than in the
past.
Mark
-> Mark Dodel wrote:
-> > On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 18:55:15 UTC, ecsr...@os2ecs.org wrote:
-> >
-> > -> The issue regarding the misconfiguration in the DNS system for the
-> > -> os2ecs.org domain has been handled before the last eZine was published
-> > -> (in April 2006).
-> > ->
-> > -> The blocking of OS2eCS Org. related news to the VOICE news list and the
-> > -> refusal of the VOICE automated email list(Powered by MajorMajor..the
-> > -> same software we use here at OS2eCS Org. for our lists) to accept any
-> > -> email from the os2ecs.org domain--This happened after the April eZine.
-> >
-> > You have been told that this fallacy never happened.
->
Insane garbage snipped.
Mark
ecsr...@os2ecs.org
> In <1149360915.2...@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, on
> 06/03/2006
> at 11:55 AM, ecsr...@os2ecs.org said:
>
> >The blocking of OS2eCS Org. related news to the VOICE news list and
> >the refusal of the VOICE automated email list(Powered by
> >MajorMajor..the same software we use here at OS2eCS Org. for our
> >lists) to accept any email from the os2ecs.org domain--This happened
> >after the April eZine.
>
> What is the IP address of your e-mail client and what error response
> are you getting?
>
> >Perhaps the person who tutored you about networking, should have
> >explained to you that MX records are not necessary to resolve an
> >email address.
>
> You're out of date. There is a growing consensus that fallback to A is
> an anachronism that can no longer be tolerated, due to spam issues.
> The lack of rDNS is another reason for rejecting e-mail from that
> domain.
The other domain we used on the same server(as os2ecs.org) was not
rejected by the VOICE news list (MajorMajor) server. The request was
sent in the same period of a few min. This test was completed twice.
The same result. Yet both domains were configured in the same manner.
Please enlighten me on how that can be?
Better yet, don't enlighten me. VOICE can do no wrong! That is the
belief. So it must be a bizare technical issue! Perhaps Microsoft
hacked the VOICE server. Maybe the moon is made of cheese and its
affecting the way electrons travel in computer circuits! Perhaps the
chemicals used in the manufacturing of plastics is causing brain
damage. Who knows!?
Did VOICE have a motive to do what they did? I submit to you "yes"!
There has been resistance to the OS2eCS eZine and the OS2eCS
Organization from day 1!
VOICE told us we should not publish the OS2eCS eZine before the first
issue ever appeared! We don't take orders from VOICE!
"I know that you're afraid. You're afraid of us. You're afraid of
change. I don't know the future. I didn't come here to tell you how
this is going to end. I came here to tell you how it's going to begin."
-- OS2-eCS Underground Community
Bob Eager
> "Do you need an MX record?
>
> If mail for your host/domain should be delivered directly to a host
> with the same name, then you do not "technically" need an MX record
> unless you have a backup mail server (more on this in the next section)
> meant to receive mail in the event that the primary server is
> unavailable. "
What I said. The RFC allows it, but it makes no allowance for any
backup.
> We are looking at implimenting a backup network connection when the new
> Hobbes is fully operational. The new hobbes is a fully donation funded
> project. Your welcome to make a donation to OS2eCS Org.
Sorry, but your unprofessional outburst must have cut off future
donations
from a *lot* of people.
> It would be nice to have a backup server, but at this time its not
> needed. Our server is setup for failover. If a trap happens the system
> automatically reboots and services are back within less than 2min. By
> then the SMTP protocol will send another attempt.
You're still ignoring upstream network failure. I worry about the
technical competence of those involved.
> Your supposition is that VOICE can do no wrong.
Not at all. But your unprofessional outburst is *definitely* wrong,
regardless of whether what I consider paranoid delusions are actually
true.
Marty
Furthermore, VOICE has been around longer, and has a longer record of
"doing no wrong". Not a knock on os2ecs.org, but VOICE has built up a
lot of goodwill with many users. It's hard to believe that there is an
evil genious at the helm, pulling all the strings.
--
[Reverse the parts of the e-mail address to reply.]
Marty
It's getting harder and harder to tell the difference between Tim's
forged posts and your own - and sadly it's not because Tim is making any
more sense.
If you're going to level an accusation like the above (heck... any one
of the accusations above), you'll need to provide some verifiable
evidence to get credibility. The fact of the matter is that VOICE has
more credibility right now due to their track record. With sufficient
evidence, if you are right, you may be able to change that perception,
but spouting off more and further accusations accomplishes the opposite.
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
06/03/2006
at 03:56 PM, ecsr...@os2ecs.org said:
>The DNS system *will* use the A-Record if there are no MX entries
>specified.
No; you are confusing the DNS protocol with programs using it. A DNS
request for A records gets A records only, a request for MX gets MX
only, a request for ANY gets any. The fallback to A when there is no
MX is in your e-mail software, not in DNS.
Mark Dodel
wrote:
-> ecsr...@os2ecs.org wrote:
-> > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz wrote:
-> >
-> >>In <1149360915.2...@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, on
-> >>06/03/2006
-> >> at 11:55 AM, ecsr...@os2ecs.org said:
-> >>
-> >>>The blocking of OS2eCS Org. related news to the VOICE news list and
-> >>>the refusal of the VOICE automated email list(Powered by
-> >>>MajorMajor..the same software we use here at OS2eCS Org. for our
-> >>>lists) to accept any email from the os2ecs.org domain--This happened
-> >>>after the April eZine.
-> >>
-> >>What is the IP address of your e-mail client and what error response
-> >>are you getting?
-> >>
-> >>>Perhaps the person who tutored you about networking, should have
-> >>>explained to you that MX records are not necessary to resolve an
-> >>>email address.
-> >>
-> >>You're out of date. There is a growing consensus that fallback to A is
-> >>an anachronism that can no longer be tolerated, due to spam issues.
-> >>The lack of rDNS is another reason for rejecting e-mail from that
-> >>domain.
-> >
-> > The other domain we used on the same server(as os2ecs.org) was not
-> > rejected by the VOICE news list (MajorMajor) server. The request was
-> > sent in the same period of a few min. This test was completed twice.
-> > The same result. Yet both domains were configured in the same manner.
-> >
-> > Please enlighten me on how that can be?
-> >
-> > Better yet, don't enlighten me. VOICE can do no wrong! That is the
-> > belief. So it must be a bizare technical issue! Perhaps Microsoft
-> > hacked the VOICE server. Maybe the moon is made of cheese and its
-> > affecting the way electrons travel in computer circuits! Perhaps the
-> > chemicals used in the manufacturing of plastics is causing brain
-> > damage. Who knows!?
-> >
-> > Did VOICE have a motive to do what they did? I submit to you "yes"!
-> > There has been resistance to the OS2eCS eZine and the OS2eCS
-> > Organization from day 1!
-> >
-> > VOICE told us we should not publish the OS2eCS eZine before the first
-> > issue ever appeared! We don't take orders from VOICE!
->
-> It's getting harder and harder to tell the difference between Tim's
-> forged posts and your own - and sadly it's not because Tim is making any
-> more sense.
->
-> If you're going to level an accusation like the above (heck... any one
-> of the accusations above), you'll need to provide some verifiable
-> evidence to get credibility. The fact of the matter is that VOICE has
-> more credibility right now due to their track record. With sufficient
-> evidence, if you are right, you may be able to change that perception,
-> but spouting off more and further accusations accomplishes the opposite.
->
Marty,
There is no evidence he can present. He is nuts. A true paranoid
personality. He attacked VOICE and myself completely out of the blue
and yet he keeps talking as if there is some plot against him. For
years my news list posts have been a source for other forums including
a Yahoo mailing list. So long as they properly attributed the source
and they caused me no added work I have had no problem. This guy pops
up with his site and wants to become what VOICE has. He starts a mail
list that he wants to compete with mine. He has mail server problems
that have been pointed out to him by myself and others and yet he
refuses to accept that the problems are on his end. He seems to
think we are jealous and feel threatened by him. All I feel is pity.
He needs help.
That said, with his latest post he has made it impossible for me to
continue to do his work for him. From now on I will no longer post
anything from him or about his site and I will now waste my time
looking through the 700 subscribers on my list to remove his email
addresses. I really had hoped it wouldn't come to this, but since he
won't fix his damn mail server the next time he has problems he would
just attack me again anyway. So lets make it easy for him.
os2ecs.org is now banned from the VOICE News list. I never even took
this step for the psychotroll, so you know I am ticked.
Jeramie get help. You need it. As of now you are banned from the
VOICE News list. If you can resolve your obvious personality disorder
and can learn to behave feel free to contact me personally and perhaps
we can discuss changing this. I am not a mean person, but I just
don't need this grief.
Mark
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
06/03/2006
at 08:14 PM, ecsr...@os2ecs.org said:
>Better yet, don't enlighten me.
Feel free to remain ignorant and suffer the consequences. It's not my
dog.
>VOICE can do no wrong!
Sorry tonto, but trying to put words in my mouth only confirms that
you don't have a legitimate case. No doubt VOICE has made lots of
errors, but they'd have to really work at it to top what you've done.
>Did VOICE have a motive to do what they did?
Sorry, pendjo, but you already told me "Better yet, don't enlighten
me.", so obviously you're not willing to listen to the answer.
Besides, I'd have to take the time to ask VOICE what, if anything,
they *actually* did before I could speculate on their motives. I
certainly don't believe *your* version; you've already demonstrated
your dishonesty.
>Did VOICE have a motive to do what they did? I submit to you "yes"!
>There has been resistance to the OS2eCS eZine and the OS2eCS
>Organization from day 1!
I doubt it, but you are certainly going out of your way to destroy its
reputation.
>VOICE told us we should not publish the OS2eCS eZine before the
>first issue ever appeared!
Is that what the voices in your head told you? You have as much
credibility as TM; I don't believe your paranoid fantasy.
>-- OS2-eCS Underground Community
Oh, now I understand, you're trying to bury OS/2 and eCS.
David T. Johnson
Marty
> Mark Dodel wrote:
>
>> This guy pops
>> up with his site and wants to become what VOICE has. He starts a mail
>> list that he wants to compete with mine. He has mail server problems
>> that have been pointed out to him by myself and others and yet he
>> refuses to accept that the problems are on his end. He seems to
>> think we are jealous and feel threatened by him. All I feel is pity.
>> He needs help.
>
> I don't think you feel the slightest twinge of pity, nor do you think he
> needs help. You sound more as if you're afraid of his internet efforts
> on behalf of OS/2 and eCS for some unfathomable reason.
Of course, Johnson's 2 cents to spread further FUD around viable and
helpful pillar of the OS/2 community. What did VOICE have to "fear",
precisely?
>> That said, with his latest post he has made it impossible for me to
>> continue to do his work for him. From now on I will no longer post
>> anything from him or about his site and I will now waste my time
>> looking through the 700 subscribers on my list to remove his email
>> addresses. I really had hoped it wouldn't come to this, but since he
>> won't fix his damn mail server the next time he has problems he would
>> just attack me again anyway. So lets make it easy for him.
>> os2ecs.org is now banned from the VOICE News list. I never even took
>> this step for the psychotroll, so you know I am ticked.
>>
>> Jeramie get help. You need it. As of now you are banned from the
>> VOICE News list. If you can resolve your obvious personality disorder
>> and can learn to behave feel free to contact me personally and perhaps
>> we can discuss changing this.
>
> As near as I can tell, Samphere posted that you and OS/2 Voice were
> refusing to post his news on your os/2 VOICE news site. You then said
> that that was not true and that the problem was due to his use of the
> OS/2 World 'news submission form' and/or a misconfiguration in his DNS
> setup. That was yesterday. Then, this morning, less than 24 hours
> later, you post the above saying that you are banning him because you
> are 'ticked.'
Interesting recount, but off the mark as usual. The claims, while they
were levelled yesterday, obviously extended further back in time. Ken
(who admins VOICE), posted pointing out pricely what was technically
going wrong and has not been refuted by any facts, merely rebuffed with
emotional outbursts. Instead of working with VOICE and trying to fix
the issue, Jeramie reenforced his accusation.
I don't blame VOICE for giving them the boot at this point. After all,
VOICE is being accused of this behavior whether it is true or not, so it
might as well be true. Mark left the door open to make amends, but it
would require an admission and/or apology, so I wouldn't hold my breath.
But at least Johnson is here to jump right in and tear down one of the
few institutions left to the OS/2 community. Curiously he perked right
up when "Tim" came back to town. Curious...
> But, Dodel, you obviously ARE a mean person
<laugh>