Posting to the group with a 80286
Alejandro Lieber
The monitor is an 9" Hercules monochrome.
I use Yarn as a newsreader under IBM PC-DOS2000
I would like to know if this is the oldest computer in this newsgroup.
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pe...@nospam.demon.co.uk
lie...@myrealbox.com "Alejandro Lieber" writes:
> I am posting with a 20Mhz 80286 (Harris Micro) with 1MBy of memory.
> The monitor is an 9" Hercules monochrome.
>
> I use Yarn as a newsreader under IBM PC-DOS2000
>
> I would like to know if this is the oldest computer in this newsgroup.
I would guess that you have a good claim to that :-) I can only
offer a 66Mhz 486/DX2, but do use an older OS -- MSDOS 6.22.
But I'm sure that someone will pop up with a 4Mhz 8088...
Pete
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Group: comp.os.msdos.misc Date: Fri, Jul 24, 2009, 5:26pm (CDT+5) From:
pe...@nospam.demon.co.uk
script:
>But I'm sure that someone will pop up
>with a 4Mhz 8088...
I have an 8 MHz 8086, that I hope to go back to using some day,… but I
don't post with it, obviously.
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24 Jul 2009 17:26:53, pe...@nospam.demon.co.uk posted:
>In article <PYdaKNXQ...@myrealbox.com>
> lie...@myrealbox.com "Alejandro Lieber" writes:
>
>> I am posting with a 20Mhz 80286 (Harris Micro) with 1MBy of memory.
>> The monitor is an 9" Hercules monochrome.
>>
>> I use Yarn as a newsreader under IBM PC-DOS2000
>>
>> I would like to know if this is the oldest computer in this newsgroup.
One cannot tell, as you do not say how old it is.
>I would guess that you have a good claim to that :-) I can only
>offer a 66Mhz 486/DX2, but do use an older OS -- MSDOS 6.22.
>
>But I'm sure that someone will pop up with a 4Mhz 8088...
I have an Amstrad PPC640, from Spring 1988, with a 2400bps modem and DOS
3.3; but I don't use it on the Internet.
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Alejandro Lieber
The procesor is a 80286 from Harris copyrighted 1986.
The board is a M-209 with a 1990 bios and the modem is a
no name 14.400 bps.
I wrote several programs for the 80286 to access the internet at:
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Alejandro Lieber
Dr J R Stockton <repl...@merlyn.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In comp.os.msdos.misc message <124845...@nospam.demon.co.uk>, Fri,
>24 Jul 2009 17:26:53, pe...@nospam.demon.co.uk posted:
>>In article <PYdaKNXQ...@myrealbox.com>
>> lie...@myrealbox.com "Alejandro Lieber" writes:
>>
>>> I am posting with a 20Mhz 80286 (Harris Micro) with 1MBy of memory.
>>> The monitor is an 9" Hercules monochrome.
>>>
>>> I use Yarn as a newsreader under IBM PC-DOS2000
>>>
>>> I would like to know if this is the oldest computer in this newsgroup.
>
>One cannot tell, as you do not say how old it is.
>
>>I would guess that you have a good claim to that :-) I can only
>>offer a 66Mhz 486/DX2, but do use an older OS -- MSDOS 6.22.
>>
>>But I'm sure that someone will pop up with a 4Mhz 8088...
>
>I have an Amstrad PPC640, from Spring 1988, with a 2400bps modem and DOS
>3.3; but I don't use it on the Internet.
Now I am using Minuet 1.0 from the University of Minesota to reply.
The 80286 is a Harris microprocesor copyrighted 1986.
The board is a M-209 with a 1990 bios.
The modem is a no name 14.400 bps.
In my homepage, I have several programs I wrote to access the internet
with a 80286.
Richard Bonner
> I am posting with a 20Mhz 80286 (Harris Micro) with 1MBy of memory.
> The monitor is an 9" Hercules monochrome.
> I use Yarn as a newsreader under IBM PC-DOS2000
> I would like to know if this is the oldest computer in this newsgroup.
> --
> Ing. Alejandro Lieber
*** I have a 1988 286 enhanced. It runs at 12 MHz, has a 300mm (12") EGA
colour monitor, a 40 MB hard drive and 1 MB of RAM. It uses a 2400 bPS
modem. However, I am not currently using it to post.
Richard Bonner
http://www.chebucto.ca/~ak621/DOS/
Richard Bonner
> I have an 8 MHz 8086, that I hope to go back to using some day,=85 but I
> don't post with it, obviously.
>
*** You could post with it. There is newsreader software that could run
on it. Alternatively, you could get a Chebucto shell account. They support
everything back to a Commodore 64, and probably before.
Richard Bonner
http://www.chebucto.ca/~ak621/DOS/
Paul Bartlett
> Alejandro Lieber (lie...@myrealbox.com) wrote:
>> I am posting with a 20Mhz 80286 (Harris Micro) with 1MBy of memory.
>> The monitor is an 9" Hercules monochrome.
>
>> I use Yarn as a newsreader under IBM PC-DOS2000
>
>> I would like to know if this is the oldest computer in this newsgroup.
> *** I have a 1988 286 enhanced. It runs at 12 MHz, has a 300mm (12") EGA
> colour monitor, a 40 MB hard drive and 1 MB of RAM. It uses a 2400 bPS
> modem. However, I am not currently using it to post.
Deep in the closet I have a Kaypro 4 computer with a 5 MHz (I paid
extra for that) Z-80 CPU, 64KB RAM (yes), and two 5 1/4-inch floppy
drives, running CP/M 2.2. A couple of years ago I took it out of the
closet, and I was able to find a floppy that it would still boot from.
I got it in 1982. Someone on a BBS that I frequent was interested in
buying it, but at the last minute he ran into monetary difficulties and
was not able to complete the deal. I first used it online with the
MODEM712 program, a battery(!) powered 300 baud modem, and a rotary
dial telephone. (Anybody else remember those?)
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Jaelani
> Deep in the closet I have a Kaypro 4 computer with a 5 MHz (I paid
> extra for that) Z-80 CPU, 64KB RAM (yes), and two 5 1/4-inch floppy
> drives, running CP/M 2.2. A couple of years ago I took it out of the
> closet, and I was able to find a floppy that it would still boot from. I
> got it in 1982. Someone on a BBS that I frequent was interested in
> buying it, but at the last minute he ran into monetary difficulties and
> was not able to complete the deal. I first used it online with the
> MODEM712 program, a battery(!) powered 300 baud modem, and a rotary
> dial telephone. (Anybody else remember those?)
>
That's really old. Probably older than my Atari 800XL (now RIP & caput).
It think it would be more valueable is you could keep it for ten or more
years. Some collectors can give high price for those ancient gadgets.
Richard Bonner
> Paul Bartlett wrote:
> > Deep in the closet I have a Kaypro 4 computer
(Snip)
> That's really old. Probably older than my Atari 800XL (now RIP & caput).
> It think it would be more valueable is you could keep it for ten or more
> years. Some collectors can give high price for those ancient gadgets.
*** I haven't checked recently, but a few years ago, complete Commodore
64 systems had risen to $150.
Richard Bonner
http://www.chebucto.ca/~ak621/DOS/
Paul Bartlett
> Paul Bartlett wrote:
>> Deep in the closet I have a Kaypro 4 computer with a 5 MHz (I paid
>> extra for that) Z-80 CPU, 64KB RAM (yes), and two 5 1/4-inch floppy
>> drives, running CP/M 2.2. A couple of years ago I took it out of the
>> closet, and I was able to find a floppy that it would still boot from. I
>> got it in 1982. [trim]
> That's really old. Probably older than my Atari 800XL (now RIP &
> caput). It think it would be more valueable is you could keep it for
> ten or more years. Some collectors can give high price for those
> ancient gadgets.
As long as I don't need the closet space :) I can keep it. However,
whether any of the CP/M 5 1/4-inch floppies that came with it, to say
nothing of the fairly extensive software bundled with it, will boot
in ten years, is another matter entirely. Hardware without working
software is more or less a boat anchor.
--
Paul Bartlett
Frank Slootweg
> I am posting with a 20Mhz 80286 (Harris Micro) with 1MBy of memory.
> The monitor is an 9" Hercules monochrome.
>
> I use Yarn as a newsreader under IBM PC-DOS2000
>
> I would like to know if this is the oldest computer in this newsgroup.
You use a *computer* to post!? Have you youngsters never heard of
(ASR33) *terminals*!? :-)
But seriously, 'oldest' is a relative term, i.e. your *computer* is
relatively old, but your *OS* is relatively new. Anyway, I posted to
Usenet before the ('IBM') PC even *existed*, so my computer *was* older
than your *current* one. :-)
On PC/DOS, my oldest PC was a 16MHz 80386 (See, I 'beat' you on clock
speed!), my oldest OS was MS-DOS 3.3, my *smallest* PC was a HP 200LX
palmtop (80186?) and my reader was ... Yarn.
Happy Oyster
wrote:
Oh, these youngsters!
Altair 8800.. ;O)
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Alejandro Lieber
I began this thread with a 20Mhz 80286.
Now I am posting with a 1.60 GHz Celeron 1.60 running Ubuntu Linux 8.04
and Firefox.
My first computer was a TRS-80 model I with a 16 KBy memmory running
Basic II.
For that machine, I wrote a machine language program that inputed a
radioteletype (45, 50 and 75 bauds, 5 bits bytes) audio signal from a
single side band short wave radio receiver (SSB) to the TRS-80 through
the casette input so I could read the news from United Press (UPI),
Asociation Press (AP) TASS, XINGUA and several others.
That was 10 years before the internet existed.
mike
> Now I am posting with a 1.60 GHz Celeron 1.60 running Ubuntu Linux 8.04
> and Firefox.
A Celeron?! That's not much better than the 80286 =)
20MHz is actually pretty fast for a 286. Does it have a (80287) math
co-processor? And I thought mine was a dinosaur with a PIII / 320 MB
PC-100 dual-booting GNU/Linux and Windows ME (I use it for
everything).
I started out with an old 286, which was somewhat fast for its time.
It had a 2400 internal modem. I remember being upset that most games
were programmed to be back-compatible with the XT and CGA graphics,
and I had an early VGA card - I wanted some colors!. Then, when iD
software and Epic Mega-games started releasing VGA games, it was all
over but the cryin. Next thing you know, your computer was never fast
enough!
You know, Wolfenstein 3D works on the 286! My *early* VGA card
wouldn't support it though =(
Alejandro Lieber
It would be of interest to calculete how much faster the Celeron is over
the 80286. I think more than 1000 times.
The 20 Mhz 80286 micro was built by Harris, not Intel.
I don't have a 80287 math co-processor.
But the interesting part of that computer is that the bios has the
option of dividing the 1 MBy memory into 640 KB base memory and 360 KBy
extended memory.
So I can use those 360 KBy for smartdrive.
Without smartdrive, the 80286 is a real turtle.
There is a real difference between this 80286 and a 386DX40 that I also
use for reading and posting to the usenet.
In this 386DX40, with 8MBy I also run BasicLinux in text mode.
Alejandro Lieber
Rosario Argentina
Richard Bonner
> It would be of interest to calculete how much faster the Celeron is over
> the 80286. I think more than 1000 times.
>
*** Both Norton Utilities and PC Tools have speed tests that compare
one's current processor to a 4.something 8088. I haven't run either in
some time, but when I did, I had to marvel at how much faster processors
had gotten.
--
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http://www.chebucto.ca/~ak621/DOS/
Alejandro Lieber
> Alejandro Lieber (alej...@notvalid.com.ar) wrote:
>> It would be of interest to calculete how much faster the Celeron is over
>> the 80286. I think more than 1000 times.
>>
>> Alejandro Lieber
>
> *** Both Norton Utilities and PC Tools have speed tests that compare
> one's current processor to a 4.something 8088. I haven't run either in
> some time, but when I did, I had to marvel at how much faster processors
> had gotten.
>
Using a 1990 program, Landmak ver 2.0 (speed.exe) I get:
20 Mhz 80286: works as a 20 Mhz AT
1600 Mhz Celeron: works as a 10.457 Mhz AT
10.457/20 = 523 faster processing times.
1600/20 = 80 clock difference
523/80 = 6.23 architecture difference ?
Norton Utilities SI (system information) didn't work correctly in the
Celeron.
Richard Bonner
> Richard Bonner wrote:
> > *** Both Norton Utilities and PC Tools have speed tests that compare
> > one's current processor to a 4.something 8088. I haven't run either in
> > some time, but when I did, I had to marvel at how much faster processors
> > had gotten.
(Snip)
> Norton Utilities SI (system information) didn't work correctly in
> the Celeron.
> Alejandro Lieber
*** I assume you mean "SYSINFO.exe".
Peter Schepers
Richard Bonner <ak...@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote:
>Alejandro Lieber (alej...@notvalid.com.ar) wrote:
>
>> Richard Bonner wrote:
>> > *** Both Norton Utilities and PC Tools have speed tests that compare
>> > one's current processor to a 4.something 8088. I haven't run either in
>> > some time, but when I did, I had to marvel at how much faster processors
>> > had gotten.
>
>(Snip)
>> Norton Utilities SI (system information) didn't work correctly in
>> the Celeron.
>
>> Alejandro Lieber
>
>*** I assume you mean "SYSINFO.exe".
It was si.exe in the old versions. I just checked my 4.5 disks and most of
the NU tools back then were two character files like nu.exe, sd.exe,
vl.exe, ds.exe etc. It was the later much more bloated version of NU, like
7 and 8 that used the much longer names.
PS.
Alejandro Lieber
In one of the windows, it says:
"NORTON SI"
Alejandro Lieber
Rosario Argentino
Richard Bonner
> Richard Bonner <ak...@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote:
> >Alejandro Lieber (alej...@notvalid.com.ar) wrote:
> >
> >> Richard Bonner wrote:
> >> > *** Both Norton Utilities and PC Tools have speed tests that compare
> >> > one's current processor to a 4.something 8088.
> >
> >(Snip)
> >> Norton Utilities SI (system information) didn't work correctly in
> >> the Celeron.
> >
> >> Alejandro Lieber
> >
> >*** I assume you mean "SYSINFO.exe".
> It was si.exe in the old versions. I just checked my 4.5 disks and most of
> the NU tools back then were two character files like nu.exe, sd.exe,
> vl.exe, ds.exe etc. It was the later much more bloated version of NU, like
> 7 and 8 that used the much longer names.
> PS.
*** OK. I had forgotten about those short names because I have been
using Version 8 for so long. PCTools still used the name "SI.exe" in its
Version 8.
I wonder if a newer version would work with your Celeron. What is its
clock speed?
Alejandro Lieber
1.60GHz
Alejandro Lieber
Rosario Argentina
Richard Bonner
> Richard Bonner wrote:
> >>> Alejandro Lieber (alej...@notvalid.com.ar) wrote:
> >>>> Norton Utilities SI (system information) didn't work
> >>>> correctly in the Celeron.
> >>>>
> >>>> Alejandro Lieber
> > I wonder if a newer version would work with your Celeron.
> > What is its clock speed?
> >
> Richard:
> 1.60GHz
>
> Alejandro Lieber
*** If you want, e-mail me and I will send you Version 8 of SYSINFO.exe
to try.
Arnaud
just jump in this conversation.
just to say, I'm not sure PC DOS 2000 is a good DOS choice for your
machine.
it's pretty huge in RAM and not very featured DOS.
should try DRDOS 8.1 or FreeDOS.
DRDOS 8 is / was not free, but honestly it's probably available in
many places on the Web, or write me in private... no one would pay for
this.
DOS Guy
> just jump in this conversation.
> just to say, I'm not sure PC DOS 2000 is a good DOS choice for
> your machine.
(...)
Did you realize that you were replying to a post that's 4 months old?
> On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 11:41:03 -0400, lie...@myrealbox.com
> (Alejandro Lieber) wrote:
>
> > I am posting with a 20Mhz 80286 (Harris Micro) with 1MB of
> > memory.
My second PC was a 20 Mhz Harris 80286 (motherboard made by Western
Digital). I still have that PC. Maybe I'll start it up and install
win-98 / Netscape Communicator and make a usenet post with it.
pe...@nospam.demon.co.uk
> My second PC was a 20 Mhz Harris 80286 (motherboard made by Western
> Digital). I still have that PC. Maybe I'll start it up and install
> win-98 / Netscape Communicator and make a usenet post with it.
Why go to such extremes? I'd guess that w98 would run like a dog
(if at all) on such hardware -- just install ka9q NOS or one of
its derivatives and use that. I'm running a derivative on this
486 (GremNOS) and Snews as a newsreader. Both should be available
(with C source if you want) from twoplaces dot co dot uk if you
are interested.
Pete
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Bill Baka
> hello,
>
> just jump in this conversation.
> just to say, I'm not sure PC DOS 2000 is a good DOS choice for your
> machine.
Just for information I have IBM PCDOS 7 and DOS2000.
The PCDOS 7 does work better.
I use Qemm for the memory manager and away I go.
Qemm sees 256 MB of memory and that allows me not only a huge smartdrive
but also many 16MB ramdrives. Works like lightning with Turbo C. Turbo
Pascal, C++ builder, and Delphi (which seems to be the window'ized
version of the DOS program).
>
> it's pretty huge in RAM and not very featured DOS.
Run the PC DOS 7 and use Qemm version 9.0, their last.
I have it setup to run both in Virtual mode (slower under XP) and boot
into it mode, which works so fast it is ridiculous on some things.
>
> should try DRDOS 8.1 or FreeDOS.
>
> DRDOS 8 is / was not free, but honestly it's probably available in
> many places on the Web, or write me in private... no one would pay for
> this.
I too have seen free DRDOS, whether free or hacked is another question.
>
> On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 11:41:03 -0400, lie...@myrealbox.com (Alejandro
> Lieber) wrote:
>
>> I am posting with a 20Mhz 80286 (Harris Micro) with 1MBy of memory.
>> The monitor is an 9" Hercules monochrome.
>>
>> I use Yarn as a newsreader under IBM PC-DOS2000
>>
>> I would like to know if this is the oldest computer in this newsgroup.
>>
>
Probably the fastest since most computers running modern windows junk
take about 256 MB to even boot.
Using a 286 sounds like the ultimate stress test to me.
Bill Baka
Alejandro Lieber
running in the 20Mhz 80286 with 1Mby memmory with IBM PC-2000.
Very easy to read and post.
For this post I am using Ubuntu 8.04.
The newsgroup is misc.transport,rail.americas
http;//lieber.com.ar/yarn1.jpg
http://lieber.com.ar/yarn2.jpg
Alejandro Lieber
Sorry: