Linux Multitasks Even During Installation
Lawrence D'Oliveiro
installation disc is running a full multitasking OS, not some cut-down
restricted toy. So being able to enter data while other stuff is happening
in the background is just par for the course
<http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/first-look-ubuntu-1104-natty-narwhal-beta-1/12155>.
Can’t other systems do this?
Big Steel
Here you go again you cross-posting troll.
Clogwog
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The big innovator of Ubuntu is..........., guess!
HINT: "Windows snapping by dragging windows to screen edges (a la *Windows*
*7* ).
<sigh, why do they have to copy almost every feature of Windows?>
>
>
> Here you go again you cross-posting troll.
IAWTP
flatfish+++
Because they like stealing.....
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Lawrence D'Oliveiro
> "TomB" <tommy.b...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:201104021...@usenet.drumscum.be...
>>
>> I have always found this a huge plus of distros that come as a Live
>> CD/DVD by default. Whenever I install Ubuntu on one of our lab PCs at
>> work, I can connect to our online system database to make the entry
>> for the system I'm installing /while/ it's installing. So sweet.
>
> I'm curious why this is even a manual step?
>
> At my house for example I have a domain controller with various power-on
> and log-on scripts that run automatically whenever a computer boots up or
> a user logs into the network.I've automated these scripts to the point
> where my Postgres database gets populated automatically with exactly this
> sort of data.
Linux distros offer features like “KickStart” or “AutoYAST” to save you the
trouble.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro
> <sigh, why do they have to copy almost every feature of Windows?>
And yet Windows can’t get the installation right.
Ezekiel
>
>"Lawrence D'Oliveiro" wrote in message
>news:in8f1v$56l$4...@lust.ihug.co.nz...
Huh??? Save me the trouble of what exactly?????
How in the world are KickStart and AutoYAST even close to what I just
described?
flatfish+++
They aren't.
Olive Oil is obviously totally and completely lost in the web of
technology.
As usual.
BTW You sound like the ultimate geek!!!!!!
Cool!!!
Hahahaha
Ezekiel
>
>"flatfish+++" wrote in message
>news:bmtthzxdoedq.1p...@40tude.net...
It reminded me one time when I asked Rex for proof for some of his
ridiculous claims. His "proof" was a bunch of random links to sites that
really didn't have much of anything to do with proving what he wrote. But he
figured that if he threw out enough random links then it's good enough.
In this case tossing out a few unrelated products and claiming it'll save
the the trouble looks like the same thing. What KickStart and AutoYAST do
is nice... but it's not nearly the same thing.
>BTW You sound like the ultimate geek!!!!!!
>Cool!!!
>Hahahaha
It's an obsession. But I'm not nearly as bad as I used to be. Every winter I
get bored (short days, cold weather, etc) so I leave the TV set on in the
background, grab my computer and do a "project." I can enjoy tinkering, it
gives me a chance to learn a thing or two and I have something interesting
when I'm all done.
flatfish+++
Rex uses a tactic based upon overloading the person questioning him with
information hoping that the person won't actually check.
Roy Schestowitz uses the same tactic with his SPAM bots.
>>BTW You sound like the ultimate geek!!!!!!
>>Cool!!!
>>Hahahaha
>
> It's an obsession. But I'm not nearly as bad as I used to be. Every winter I
> get bored (short days, cold weather, etc) so I leave the TV set on in the
> background, grab my computer and do a "project." I can enjoy tinkering, it
> gives me a chance to learn a thing or two and I have something interesting
> when I'm all done.
Cool!
I wish I could do stuff like that!
Programming and me are like oil and water.
We don't mix well :(
Lawrence D'Oliveiro
All that nonsense you had to go through.
> How in the world are KickStart and AutoYAST even close to what I just
> described?
They scale up to thousands, even tens of thousands of machines, which your
Windows scripts will not.
Hardon
> Linux distros offer features like “KickStart” or “AutoYAST” to save
> you the trouble.
Red Hat's kickstart is very nice. I've just had to install 7 new linux
servers at work. The app they will run is currently supported on RHES
4.7 32bit (also 32 bit on windows, they only support SunOS 64bit).
They will support 64bit on their next SP and, so they tell us also
RHES 5.5. This is imminent and the project timescale gives me the time
to evaluate the 3 versions. So with kickstart I have installed RHES
4.7 32bit and 64 bit and and RHES 5.5 64 bit on these systems.
One simple boot command to install each OS version which takes < 10
minutes for each. Only manual thing I had to do was copy paste the
grub menu.lst config to present all 3 OS choices at boot. This was all
done using HP's iLO java console from my office Linux desktop system.
Lusotec
> The big innovator of Ubuntu is..........., guess!
> HINT: "Windows snapping by dragging windows to screen edges (a la
> *Windows* *7* ).
Compiz and Grid plugin predate Windows 7 window snapping feature, and is
more flexible and configurable. Also you are confusing Ubuntu innovation
with upstream projects' innovation.
> <sigh, why do they have to copy almost every feature of Windows?>
Right!
Regards.
Ezekiel
>
>"Lawrence D'Oliveiro" wrote in message
You're not very bright. For starters there is no reason why my scripts
wouldn't scale to thousands of users but that's not the point.
What my scripts do (from my earlier post) is:
<quote>
Things that get recorded are:
the hardware inventory
free disk space
any hardware or system errors, etc.
If a hardware configuration changes - I get notified.
If a new device driver is installed - I get notified.
If a computer starts getting low on disk space,
is having hardware errors, system errors or is missing
service packs or is running an old version of Flash... I get notified.
</quote>
So do tell me *exactly* how AutoYast or KickStart would automatically record
the hardware inventory in a database. Or notify me if the hardware in a
machine changes. How would AutoYast or Kickstart tell me if a machine is low
on diskspace or if a machine is having hardware errors or system errors.
And don't make up shit either... the way you did when you made an idiotic
claim of how embedded Python only supports a limited subset of regular
Python.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro
>>"Lawrence D'Oliveiro" wrote in message
>>news:in8vd8$ee7$1...@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>>
>>They scale up to thousands, even tens of thousands of machines, which your
>>Windows scripts will not.
>
> For starters there is no reason why my scripts wouldn't scale to thousands
> of users ...
One obvious reason is how you do remote execution. On Linux/Unix systems,
you can take just about any local command
cmd
and execute it on a remote host as follows:
ssh remote_host cmd
whereas on Windows you can’t. The best PowerShell can manage is to use the
complex and clumsy WMI functions to perform tasks on remote machines, which
is completely different from how they’re done locally.
Ezekiel
"Lawrence D'Oliveiro" <l...@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> wrote in message
news:inb535$m5l$4...@lust.ihug.co.nz...
> In message <in9p8p$8b1$1...@dont-email.me>, Ezekiel wrote:
>
>>>"Lawrence D'Oliveiro" wrote in message
>>>news:in8vd8$ee7$1...@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>>>
>>>They scale up to thousands, even tens of thousands of machines, which
>>>your
>>>Windows scripts will not.
>>
>> For starters there is no reason why my scripts wouldn't scale to
>> thousands
>> of users ...
>
> One obvious reason is how you do remote execution.
Nice attempt at snip and run. Then again, you were simply talking out your
ass so it's no wonder you did this. Here... let me restore what you snipped
and ran away from:
<quote>
What my scripts do (from my earlier post) is:
<quote>
Things that get recorded are:
the hardware inventory
free disk space
any hardware or system errors, etc.
If a hardware configuration changes - I get notified.
If a new device driver is installed - I get notified.
If a computer starts getting low on disk space,
is having hardware errors, system errors or is missing
service packs or is running an old version of Flash... I get notified.
</quote>
So do tell me *exactly* how AutoYast or KickStart would automatically record
the hardware inventory in a database. Or notify me if the hardware in a
machine changes. How would AutoYast or Kickstart tell me if a machine is low
on diskspace or if a machine is having hardware errors or system errors.
</quote>
Lawrence D'Oliveiro
> "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" <l...@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> wrote in message
> news:inb535$m5l$4...@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>
>> In message <in9p8p$8b1$1...@dont-email.me>, Ezekiel wrote:
>>
>>>>"Lawrence D'Oliveiro" wrote in message
>>>>news:in8vd8$ee7$1...@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>>>>
>>>>They scale up to thousands, even tens of thousands of machines, which
>>>>your
>>>>Windows scripts will not.
>>>
>>> For starters there is no reason why my scripts wouldn't scale to
>>> thousands
>>> of users ...
>>
>> One obvious reason is how you do remote execution.
>
> Nice attempt at snip and run.
Nice attempt at moving the goalposts.
Tom Shelton
LOL... You are an idiot. PowerShell v2 lets you create remote sessions
you dolt. You are stuck in v1.
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Chris Ahlstrom
> In message <in9p8p$8b1$1...@dont-email.me>, Ezekiel wrote:
>
>>>"Lawrence D'Oliveiro" wrote in message
>>>news:in8vd8$ee7$1...@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>>>
>>>They scale up to thousands, even tens of thousands of machines, which your
>>>Windows scripts will not.
>>
>> For starters there is no reason why my scripts wouldn't scale to thousands
>> of users ...
>
> One obvious reason is how you do remote execution. On Linux/Unix systems,
> you can take just about any local command
>
> cmd
>
> and execute it on a remote host as follows:
>
> ssh remote_host cmd
>
> whereas on Windows you can???t. The best PowerShell can manage is to use the
> complex and clumsy WMI functions to perform tasks on remote machines, which
> is completely different from how they???re done locally.
We have Erik Funkenbusch in here awhile back crooning about the glories of
Powershell, where remote support is built into the shell at both ends.
ssh? Once you've got that, you've got all the remote support you need. No
need for implementing a specific, limited set of commands that are capable
of being remoted. With ssh any command-line command can be remoted, and its
return status used to make a decision.
And with clusterssh? Fergeddaboudid, winbois.
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When a nation ignores the Way,
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There is no greater disaster than forgetting contentment;
There is no greater sickness than seeking attainment;
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Finds that contentment endures.
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Chris Ahlstrom
> After serious thinking Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote :
>> In message <in9p8p$8b1$1...@dont-email.me>, Ezekiel wrote:
>>
>>>> "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" wrote in message
>>>> news:in8vd8$ee7$1...@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>>>>
>>>> They scale up to thousands, even tens of thousands of machines, which your
>>>> Windows scripts will not.
>>>
>>> For starters there is no reason why my scripts wouldn't scale to thousands
>>> of users ...
>>
>> One obvious reason is how you do remote execution. On Linux/Unix systems,
>> you can take just about any local command
>>
>> cmd
>>
>> and execute it on a remote host as follows:
>>
>> ssh remote_host cmd
>>
>> whereas on Windows you can???t. The best PowerShell can manage is to use the
>> complex and clumsy WMI functions to perform tasks on remote machines, which
>> is completely different from how they???re done locally.
>
> LOL... You are an idiot. PowerShell v2 lets you create remote sessions
> you dolt. You are stuck in v1.
Yikes!
http://www.computerperformance.co.uk/powershell/powershell_remote.htm
One common problem is ERROR: Access is denied.
Solution: Launch PowerShell with elevated rights, in simple language: Run
as administrator.
Security experts will hold up the hands in horror at this suggestion, but
if you get the error message: "The rpc server is unavailable", then I
suggest that you turn off the firewall on both machines.
Reinventing ssh/sshd, badly.
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Ezekiel
"Lawrence D'Oliveiro" <l...@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> wrote in message
> In message <inb7gj$tf$1...@dont-email.me>, Ezekiel wrote:
>
>>
>> Nice attempt at snip and run.
>
> Nice attempt at moving the goalposts.
>
You're such a clueless idiot always talking about shit that you don't
understand at all.
Larry - "Linux distros offer features like "KickStart" or "AutoYAST" to save
you the trouble."
What my scripts do (from my earlier post) is:
Things that get recorded are:
Tom Shelton
I have set this up on many machines and I have never had to run with
elevated privledges nor turn off the firewall... Obviously, I had to
be an admin to install ps and I had to be an admin to configure remote
access - but, never beyond that.
I don't believe that his "problems" are common in anyway, or I think I
would have seen it by now.
--
Tom Shelton
Hardon
> ssh? Once you've got that, you've got all the remote support you
> need. No need for implementing a specific, limited set of commands
> that are capable of being remoted. With ssh any command-line
> command can be remoted, and its return status used to make a
> decision.
Don't forget port tunneling in either direction, a pseudo X server
which tunnels a remote X client, running another ssh to run commands
on systems you cannot get to directly. Combine ssh and screen and you
don't even need to keep the ssh session open to the remote machine.
You can reconnect later like from home after work.
Hadron
> .
> "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" <l...@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> wrote in message
> news:inbcnm$qda$4...@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>> In message <inb7gj$tf$1...@dont-email.me>, Ezekiel wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Nice attempt at snip and run.
>>
>> Nice attempt at moving the goalposts.
>>
>
> You're such a clueless idiot always talking about shit that you don't
> understand at all.
>
> Larry - "Linux distros offer features like "KickStart" or "AutoYAST" to save
> you the trouble."
He reminds me of the bastard son of Gordon and WronG with the showing
off element of Chris Ahlstrom.
Ezekiel
"Hadron" <hadro...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:bliputn...@news.eternal-september.org...
Larry is simply spewing unrelated nonsense. I need a wrench but Larry comes
along and posts - 'Linux has a shovel that will save you the trouble.'
Fine... perhaps that's a really nice shovel. But I need a wrench and a
shovel is not a viable substitute.
Justin
OS X does.
I think. Sometimes when HFS+ gets corrupted to shit I have to boot from
the Snow Leopard DVD and use Disk Utility to repair the filesystem.
Does that count?
Chance Furlong
Is "cross posting troll" the only thing you can think of, zara?