Microsoft Hates Free Will (and its customers)
Justin
will. As in the free will to install only the software one wants.
Here is an example, the usual offenders; CutePDF.
Ask you can see I clearly unchecked the Ask toolbar option
http://yfrog.com/mscutepdfandaskj
As you can see my decision was ignored.
http://yfrog.com/mrcutepdfandaskstillj
http://yfrog.com/jccutepdfandaskprogramsanj
Microsoft *could* go after these companies; threaten legal action, even
a simply cease & desist letter would suffice. But of course Microsoft
doesn't care about its customers. It doesn't care about security and it
certainly doesn't care about the "user experience" it claims to cherish.
Here is another offender "Free Audio Encoder." Since Microsoft
sabotaged open source and/or free software I had to find an alternative
to Audacity.
http://yfrog.com/jcfreeaudioencodertoolbarj
Normally I use a Mac, but I'm traveling and my Mac is too valuable to
bring along. So here I am with a crappy Dell E4300 with a "Loaded"
version of Win7 Ultimate - 64 bit of course.
Yay! Microsoft Security Essentials doing its usual bang up job!
http://yfrog.com/n7msseloaderlolj
However I'm going to keep using this machine for a while, I want to
remind myself as to why I switched.
Snit
> Once again, Microsoft doesn't care about other companies revoking free
> will. As in the free will to install only the software one wants.
> Here is an example, the usual offenders; CutePDF.
>
> Ask you can see I clearly unchecked the Ask toolbar option
> http://yfrog.com/mscutepdfandaskj
>
> As you can see my decision was ignored.
> http://yfrog.com/mrcutepdfandaskstillj
> http://yfrog.com/jccutepdfandaskprogramsanj
>
> Microsoft *could* go after these companies; threaten legal action, even
> a simply cease & desist letter would suffice. But of course Microsoft
> doesn't care about its customers. It doesn't care about security and it
> certainly doesn't care about the "user experience" it claims to cherish.
Who in the Linux community goes after folks who make "bad" programs?
In any case, I installed CutePDF:
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KirbI1DuFfo>
Did not get what you did. Odd, eh?
> Here is another offender "Free Audio Encoder." Since Microsoft
> sabotaged open source and/or free software I had to find an alternative
> to Audacity.
> http://yfrog.com/jcfreeaudioencodertoolbarj
>
> Normally I use a Mac, but I'm traveling and my Mac is too valuable to
> bring along. So here I am with a crappy Dell E4300 with a "Loaded"
> version of Win7 Ultimate - 64 bit of course.
> Yay! Microsoft Security Essentials doing its usual bang up job!
> http://yfrog.com/n7msseloaderlolj
>
> However I'm going to keep using this machine for a while, I want to
> remind myself as to why I switched.
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ed
> Once again, Microsoft doesn't care about other companies revoking free
> will. As in the free will to install only the software one wants.
> Here is an example, the usual offenders; CutePDF.
>
>
> As you can see my decision was ignored.http://yfrog.com/mrcutepdfandaskstilljhttp://yfrog.com/jccutepdfandaskprogramsanj
>
> Microsoft *could* go after these companies; threaten legal action, even
> a simply cease & desist letter would suffice.
what legal action do you think ms could go after these guys for?
...
Justin
> On Apr 26, 8:50 pm, Justin<jus...@ihatespaam.edu> wrote:
>> Once again, Microsoft doesn't care about other companies revoking free
>> will. As in the free will to install only the software one wants.
>> Here is an example, the usual offenders; CutePDF.
>>
>> Ask you can see I clearly unchecked the Ask toolbar optionhttp://yfrog.com/mscutepdfandaskj
>>
>> As you can see my decision was ignored.http://yfrog.com/mrcutepdfandaskstilljhttp://yfrog.com/jccutepdfandaskprogramsanj
>>
>> Microsoft *could* go after these companies; threaten legal action, even
>
> what legal action do you think ms could go after these guys for?
>
> ...
Anything. Start small. They have the best corporate law firm in the
country on retainer.
Justin
> Justin stated in post ip83pm$d33$1...@dont-email.me on 4/26/11 8:50 PM:
>
>> Once again, Microsoft doesn't care about other companies revoking free
>> will. As in the free will to install only the software one wants.
>> Here is an example, the usual offenders; CutePDF.
>>
>> Ask you can see I clearly unchecked the Ask toolbar option
>> http://yfrog.com/mscutepdfandaskj
>>
>> As you can see my decision was ignored.
>> http://yfrog.com/mrcutepdfandaskstillj
>> http://yfrog.com/jccutepdfandaskprogramsanj
>>
>> Microsoft *could* go after these companies; threaten legal action, even
>> doesn't care about its customers. It doesn't care about security and it
>> certainly doesn't care about the "user experience" it claims to cherish.
>
> Who in the Linux community goes after folks who make "bad" programs?
>
> In any case, I installed CutePDF:
>
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KirbI1DuFfo>
>
> Did not get what you did. Odd, eh?
Quite strange.
I must be faking my pictures. That's the only logical conclusion.
John Slade
> Once again, Microsoft doesn't care about other companies
> revoking free will. As in the free will to install only the
> software one wants.
> Here is an example, the usual offenders; CutePDF.
>
> Ask you can see I clearly unchecked the Ask toolbar option
> http://yfrog.com/mscutepdfandaskj
You have the box checked. I think you are either mixed up
about how to uncheck a box or you posted the wrong picture. I
don't know if it was you, but someone else did the same thing
and posted a picture showing the thing still checked.
>
> As you can see my decision was ignored.
> http://yfrog.com/mrcutepdfandaskstillj
> http://yfrog.com/jccutepdfandaskprogramsanj
>
> Microsoft *could* go after these companies; threaten legal
> action, even a simply cease & desist letter would suffice. But
> of course Microsoft doesn't care about its customers. It doesn't
> care about security and it certainly doesn't care about the
> "user experience" it claims to cherish.
>
> Here is another offender "Free Audio Encoder." Since Microsoft
> sabotaged open source and/or free software I had to find an
> alternative to Audacity.
> http://yfrog.com/jcfreeaudioencodertoolbarj
>
> Normally I use a Mac, but I'm traveling and my Mac is too
> valuable to bring along. So here I am with a crappy Dell E4300
> with a "Loaded" version of Win7 Ultimate - 64 bit of course.
> Yay! Microsoft Security Essentials doing its usual bang up job!
> http://yfrog.com/n7msseloaderlolj
>
> However I'm going to keep using this machine for a while, I want
> to remind myself as to why I switched.
I think you're doing something wrong and you're a bit
mixed up. I downloaded CutePDF writer to see and there was no
offer of the Ask toolbar. Where did you download your copy from?
John
John Slade
> revoking free will. As in the free will to install only the
> software one wants.
> Here is an example, the usual offenders; CutePDF.
>
> Ask you can see I clearly unchecked the Ask toolbar option
> http://yfrog.com/mscutepdfandaskj
You have the box checked. I think you are either mixed up
about how to uncheck a box or you posted the wrong picture. I
don't know if it was you, but someone else did the same thing
and posted a picture showing the thing still checked.
>
> As you can see my decision was ignored.
> http://yfrog.com/mrcutepdfandaskstillj
> http://yfrog.com/jccutepdfandaskprogramsanj
>
> Microsoft *could* go after these companies; threaten legal
> action, even a simply cease & desist letter would suffice. But
> of course Microsoft doesn't care about its customers. It doesn't
> care about security and it certainly doesn't care about the
> "user experience" it claims to cherish.
>
> Here is another offender "Free Audio Encoder." Since Microsoft
> sabotaged open source and/or free software I had to find an
> alternative to Audacity.
> http://yfrog.com/jcfreeaudioencodertoolbarj
>
> Normally I use a Mac, but I'm traveling and my Mac is too
> valuable to bring along. So here I am with a crappy Dell E4300
> with a "Loaded" version of Win7 Ultimate - 64 bit of course.
> Yay! Microsoft Security Essentials doing its usual bang up job!
> http://yfrog.com/n7msseloaderlolj
>
> However I'm going to keep using this machine for a while, I want
> to remind myself as to why I switched.
I think you're doing something wrong and you're a bit
Snit
I am just trying to figure out why there is a difference. You offered one
explanation... but that is not what I was suggesting.
Curious, what made you think to take such screenshots as you were installing
it?
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John Slade
For once I can see that snit said something worth
reading. I went there and installed the same thing you did. Can
you tell me what version you are using and when you got it? Can
you tell me what version of CutePDF you used?
John
ed
> On 4/27/2011 12:19 AM, ed wrote:
>
> > On Apr 26, 8:50 pm, Justin<jus...@ihatespaam.edu> wrote:
> >> Once again, Microsoft doesn't care about other companies revoking free
> >> will. As in the free will to install only the software one wants.
> >> Here is an example, the usual offenders; CutePDF.
>
> >> Ask you can see I clearly unchecked the Ask toolbar optionhttp://yfrog.com/mscutepdfandaskj
>
>
> >> Microsoft *could* go after these companies; threaten legal action, even
> >> a simply cease& desist letter would suffice.
>
> > what legal action do you think ms could go after these guys for?
>
> > ...
>
> Anything.
yeah, that's not how it works.
and as pointed out, you clearly have the checkbox CHECKED. ;D
Justin
Ver. 2.8; from cutepdf.com
Justin
Look again, the other boxes are not checked, but the EULA license box is.
So when I uninstall the Ask toolbar, am I violating the EULA? Oh no!
Justin
Snit
10:04 PM:
Well, I did not prove you wrong... so you are not whining.
> I went there and installed the same thing you did. Can
> you tell me what version you are using and when you got it? Can
> you tell me what version of CutePDF you used?
>
> John
>
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Snit
Just to test - I uninstalled CutePDF, rebooted and reinstalled. Could not
replicate. I downloaded the Pro version (trial) and installed. No dice.
I cannot get, with the current version of CutePDF, what you showed.
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Snit
> On 4/27/2011 12:49 AM, John Slade wrote:
>> On 4/26/2011 8:50 PM, Justin wrote:
>>> Once again, Microsoft doesn't care about other companies
>>> revoking free will. As in the free will to install only the
>>> software one wants.
>>> Here is an example, the usual offenders; CutePDF.
>>>
>>> Ask you can see I clearly unchecked the Ask toolbar option
>>> http://yfrog.com/mscutepdfandaskj
>>
>> You have the box checked. I think you are either mixed up about how to
>> uncheck a box or you posted the wrong picture. I don't know if it was
>> you, but someone else did the same thing and posted a picture showing
>> the thing still checked.
...
>> I think you're doing something wrong and you're a bit mixed up. I
>> downloaded CutePDF writer to see and there was no offer of the Ask
>> toolbar. Where did you download your copy from?
>>
>> John
>
> Look again, the other boxes are not checked, but the EULA license box is.
> So when I uninstall the Ask toolbar, am I violating the EULA? Oh no!
I have seen this with other programs - you are on the Install the Ask
Toolbar page and you have the top checkbox checked - Accept the EULA and
install the Ask Toolbar. Yes, it is confusing and if you are not looking
you might think you are installing the desired software, but that is *not*
the case. You opted to install the Ask Toolbar (the UI is a mess though and
encourages that sort of error).
I suspect Slade and I are not getting that screen because we have installed
CutePDF in the past and unchecked that box and it remembers... but that is
just a guess. I do not recall ever getting that with CutePDF, but I used to
with Glary Utilities - same exact screen. Maybe it remembers from one
program to the next - both asking for the Ask Toolbar? Who knows...
The problem, though, is a poor UI and you not reading the screen carefully.
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AD
> Once again, Microsoft doesn't care about other companies revoking free
> will. As in the free will to install only the software one wants.
> Here is an example, the usual offenders; CutePDF.
>
>
> As you can see my decision was ignored.http://yfrog.com/mrcutepdfandaskstilljhttp://yfrog.com/jccutepdfandaskprogramsanj
>
they are not the maker of that crapware. I could just as easily find
crapware
for osx. To be honest "smart" spaces switching in Spaces drives me
nuts.
And that piece comes directly from apple.
Cupertino is a single fvwm maintainer away from fixing that shit.
> Microsoft *could* go after these companies; threaten legal action, even
> a simply cease & desist letter would suffice. But of course Microsoft
> doesn't care about its customers. It doesn't care about security and it
> certainly doesn't care about the "user experience" it claims to cherish.
>
Microsoft could not possibly handle every shitmaker that makes
software
for windows. There's just an 1-2 orders or magnitude more windows
shitmakers than those for osx.
> Here is another offender "Free Audio Encoder." Since Microsoft
> sabotaged open source and/or free software I had to find an alternative
> to Audacity.http://yfrog.com/jcfreeaudioencodertoolbarj
>
Wtf? Last time I checked audacity worked on xp just fine.
Could not speak for mp3 exports i've never bothered to make working
but wav editing worked fine.
> Normally I use a Mac, but I'm traveling and my Mac is too valuable to
> bring along. So here I am with a crappy Dell E4300 with a "Loaded"
> version of Win7 Ultimate - 64 bit of course.
> Yay! Microsoft Security Essentials doing its usual bang up job!http://yfrog.com/n7msseloaderlolj
>
For fucks sake could not you just get a used macbook pro on ebay? Mine
cost me $800
and aside from the shitty old keyboard and dvd player with the mind of
its own it works ok
and does not have a glare shitscreen that's the default on newer
macbooks.
> However I'm going to keep using this machine for a while, I want to
> remind myself as to why I switched.
Fuck, you gonna compare portable shit from Dell with apple? I have a 6
year old hp dv1000t and I like it just fine.
More so than the 2007 model of macbook pro 15".
I haven't seen a single decent dell laptop south of $1500 and I
haven't laid my hands on $1500+ dell:
i've got to assume they've got a single decent laptop in their lineup.
I just haven't run into any of them.
To be honest hp does not produce anything decent these days as well.
Just read of all the users
having overheating issues with the Envy and i've got to assume pro is
no better as there are fewer metal surfaces
dissipate prodigious amounts of heat quads produce.
So I'm scratching my head of where to get a decent 17" box and the
only choice seems to be apple.
Again. Sigh.
P.S. at least you could still get a decent notebook these days. If you
need a decent LCD monitor for un der $500 you're fucked:
everyone and their mother produces utter pieces of shit. ASUS VG236H
is kind of ok but it has a glare screen that's a dealbreaker for me.
I just might have to shell out $$$$ for a decent professional IPS
monitor.
John Slade
I think you're doing something wrong because I'm never
asked to install the Ask Toolbar and neither are the others in
here. Just download the new version. I think you're using an old
version or lying. I tell you what. Please post the download link
where you got that file and that will tell all.
John
John Slade
You have to check the box so it will install I guess. I
think something is fishy here. I asked him to post the download
link to that file or better yet maybe he could e-mail it to
someone. If he doesn't, you know he was making it up.
John
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> Once again, Microsoft doesn't care about other companies revoking free
> will. As in the free will to install only the software one wants.
> Here is an example, the usual offenders; CutePDF.
>
> Ask you can see I clearly unchecked the Ask toolbar option
> http://yfrog.com/mscutepdfandaskj
>
> As you can see my decision was ignored.
> http://yfrog.com/mrcutepdfandaskstillj
> http://yfrog.com/jccutepdfandaskprogramsanj
>
> Microsoft *could* go after these companies; threaten legal action, even
> a simply cease & desist letter would suffice. But of course Microsoft
> doesn't care about its customers. It doesn't care about security and it
> certainly doesn't care about the "user experience" it claims to cherish.
>
> Here is another offender "Free Audio Encoder." Since Microsoft
> sabotaged open source and/or free software I had to find an alternative
> to Audacity.
> http://yfrog.com/jcfreeaudioencodertoolbarj
>
> Normally I use a Mac, but I'm traveling and my Mac is too valuable to
> bring along.
Doh!
Appil retards mistaking valuable for expensive.
Linux is valuable. Especially if you set it up with translucent compiz.
Search www.youtube.com for full 3D desktop with dozen screens
running simultanously large amounts of software all open at the same time
on a Linux netbook or laptop. You can keep it all open all at the same
time and switch between them and nothing slows down.
Like 5 spreadsheets, 5 open office documents, a couple of code editors
like netbeans and codeblocks, apache webserver, mysql database server,
php web site, gimp image editor, html editors like mozilla composer
or KDE komposer, Gambas Visual GUI IDE, watch a movie,
etc ALL AT THE SAME TIME. Pause the video, do the work, and then go
back to watching it. Alternatively download a hundred odd lectures
from youtube.com and bring them along for your studies during
travel time.
Now that is what I call valuable and productive, particularly when you are
stuck on a plane or a train for a couple of hours.
Open office is free, netbeans is free, codeblocks is free, apache webserver
is free, mysql database server is free, phps is free, gimp is free, mozilla
is free, kde is free, gambas is free, totem and gstreamer movie players
free, youtube-dl and firefox extension youtube download helper free,
firefox is free, compiz is free and Linux to run all that is free.
Thats what I call really really valuable.
John Slade
Hey check this out. I knew I remember this same thread
posted a year and a half ago! LOL! I remember him showing the
pictures too. The links to the pics are dead I think.
LOL Justin says he doesn't want to get a Windows 7
computer. Guess he changed his mind. Turns out he's probably
using an old version of the program and should get the latest
version. Guess we'll know when he gives me the link.
John
Sandman
Justin <jus...@ihatespaam.edu> wrote:
> Once again, Microsoft doesn't care about other companies revoking free
> will. As in the free will to install only the software one wants.
> Here is an example, the usual offenders; CutePDF.
>
> Ask you can see I clearly unchecked the Ask toolbar option
> http://yfrog.com/mscutepdfandaskj
That's an image of you having that checkbox *checked*, not unchecked.
> As you can see my decision was ignored.
> http://yfrog.com/mrcutepdfandaskstillj
> http://yfrog.com/jccutepdfandaskprogramsanj
Those are images showing that the choices from the first image were
followed.
> Here is another offender "Free Audio Encoder." Since Microsoft
> sabotaged open source and/or free software I had to find an alternative
> to Audacity.
> http://yfrog.com/jcfreeaudioencodertoolbarj
What is this screenshot supposed to show?
> Normally I use a Mac, but I'm traveling and my Mac is too valuable to
> bring along. So here I am with a crappy Dell E4300 with a "Loaded"
> version of Win7 Ultimate - 64 bit of course.
> Yay! Microsoft Security Essentials doing its usual bang up job!
> http://yfrog.com/n7msseloaderlolj
MSE has found that you have a key generator application for pirated
software on your system and doesn't find it trustworthy. Nothing
strange about it.
> However I'm going to keep using this machine for a while, I want to
> remind myself as to why I switched.
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Justin
www.cutepdf.com
Not that difficult.
Justin
Either way, it sucks; justlike everything related to Windows.
Why aren't there any similar checkboxes when installing Mac apps?
An Old Friend
ip8aer$muq$2...@dont-email.me in stone using Trajan:
Yes, but the box you checked says "I accept the terms of the End User
License Agreement and [covered by arrow] Policy *and want to install the
Ask Toolbar*"
The boxes that are unchecked told the installer that you didn't want
Ask.com to be your browser default search provider, nor did you want your
homepage set to Ask.com.
I think the EULA is talking about the Ask toolbar's EULA, and not
CutePDF's EULA. Perhaps someone else can confirm that for me.
Big Steel
<snipped>
<yawn>
It's yet another cross-posting troll.
Redjak
*plonk*
Snit
My guess: Mac users would not tolerate it... look at Firefox and OpenOffice.
When they came to the Mac they did not have the Mac look... and people made
it clear that was not acceptable.
At the same time, Mac users accept other areas of weaknesses... such as some
lack of options.
Each OS provides a different set of pros and cons... off the cuff thinking
here, but:
Windows:
Pros: lots of software, well known, gaming
Cons: malware, trialware / toolbar junk, probs with registry, etc.
OS X:
Pros: UI designed to benefit productivity, reduce errors, etc.
Cons: some loss of flexibility, no low-end (cheap) systems
Desktop Linux:
Pros: flexibility / configurability, price
Cons: lack of system focus, lack of commercial software
Again, those are just off the cuff.
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John Slade
When I download it and install it, there is no Ask Toolbar
anywhere. Doesn't ask at all. You wan't to e-mail me the file
youi're using to install that has the Ask Toolbar?
John
MuahMan
> Once again, Microsoft doesn't care about other companies revoking free
> will. As in the free will to install only the software one wants.
> Here is an example, the usual offenders; CutePDF.
>
> Ask you can see I clearly unchecked the Ask toolbar optionhttp://yfrog.com/mscutepdfandaskj
>
>
> Microsoft *could* go after these companies; threaten legal action, even
> doesn't care about its customers. It doesn't care about security and it
> certainly doesn't care about the "user experience" it claims to cherish.
>
> Here is another offender "Free Audio Encoder." Since Microsoft
> sabotaged open source and/or free software I had to find an alternative
>
> Normally I use a Mac, but I'm traveling and my Mac is too valuable to
> bring along. So here I am with a crappy Dell E4300 with a "Loaded"
> version of Win7 Ultimate - 64 bit of course.
>
> However I'm going to keep using this machine for a while, I want to
> remind myself as to why I switched.
LOL
Everyone knows Apple is asshole on the technology block. Force slave
labor in China. Big Brother tracking your moves, faulty antenna
designs, etc. The list of atrocities committed by Apple is staggering.
John Slade
An incorrect guess. Nothing I've installed had any Ask
Toolbar involved. Something stinks. But the way to remedy this
is don't check the box.
John
John Slade
Maybe you haven't figured out that that is the EULA for
the Ask Toolbar and NOT CutePDF. You don't click any boxes, the
next button is still clickable. Duh!
John
John Slade
> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 01:43:45 -0400, Justin chiseled
> ip8aer$muq$2...@dont-email.me in stone using Trajan:
>
>> On 4/27/2011 12:49 AM, John Slade wrote:
>>> On 4/26/2011 8:50 PM, Justin wrote:
>>>> Once again, Microsoft doesn't care about other companies revoking free
>>>> will. As in the free will to install only the software one wants.
>>>> Here is an example, the usual offenders; CutePDF.
>>>>
>>>> Ask you can see I clearly unchecked the Ask toolbar option
>>>> http://yfrog.com/mscutepdfandaskj
>>>
>>> You have the box checked. I think you are either mixed up about how to
>>> uncheck a box or you posted the wrong picture. I don't know if it was
>>> you, but someone else did the same thing and posted a picture showing
>>> the thing still checked.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> As you can see my decision was ignored.
>>>> http://yfrog.com/mrcutepdfandaskstillj
>>>> http://yfrog.com/jccutepdfandaskprogramsanj
>>>>
>>>> Microsoft *could* go after these companies; threaten legal action,
Exactly.
John
John Slade
> On Apr 27, 6:50 am, Justin<jus...@ihatespaam.edu> wrote:
>> Once again, Microsoft doesn't care about other companies revoking free
>> will. As in the free will to install only the software one wants.
>> Here is an example, the usual offenders; CutePDF.
>>
>> Ask you can see I clearly unchecked the Ask toolbar optionhttp://yfrog.com/mscutepdfandaskj
>>
>> As you can see my decision was ignored.http://yfrog.com/mrcutepdfandaskstilljhttp://yfrog.com/jccutepdfandaskprogramsanj
>>
> What does crapware like cutepdf has to do with the big one in redmond?
> they are not the maker of that crapware. I could just as easily find
> crapware
> for osx. To be honest "smart" spaces switching in Spaces drives me
> nuts.
> And that piece comes directly from apple.
> Cupertino is a single fvwm maintainer away from fixing that shit.
>
>> Microsoft *could* go after these companies; threaten legal action, even
>> doesn't care about its customers. It doesn't care about security and it
>> certainly doesn't care about the "user experience" it claims to cherish.
>>
> Microsoft could not possibly handle every shitmaker that makes
> software
> for windows. There's just an 1-2 orders or magnitude more windows
> shitmakers than those for osx.
>
Yea no company that makes a desktop OS can control who
makes software for that OS. Justin blaming Microsoft and Windows
7 is like blaming Apple because OS X supports Flash that is
buggy as hell.
John
Snit
10:27 AM:
Fair enough.
> Nothing I've installed had any Ask
> Toolbar involved. Something stinks. But the way to remedy this
> is don't check the box.
Agreed: it stinks in that it is not consistent and the UI is miserable and
misleading, but if a user does not check the box they are fine.
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Snit
4/27/11 6:55 AM:
>>> I think you're doing something wrong and you're a bit mixed up. I
>>> downloaded CutePDF writer to see and there was no offer of the Ask
>>> toolbar. Where did you download your copy from?
>>>
>>> John
>>
>> Look again, the other boxes are not checked, but the EULA license box
>> is. So when I uninstall the Ask toolbar, am I violating the EULA? Oh
>> no!
>
> Yes, but the box you checked says "I accept the terms of the End User
> License Agreement and [covered by arrow] Policy *and want to install the
> Ask Toolbar*"
>
> The boxes that are unchecked told the installer that you didn't want
> Ask.com to be your browser default search provider, nor did you want your
> homepage set to Ask.com.
>
> I think the EULA is talking about the Ask toolbar's EULA, and not
> CutePDF's EULA. Perhaps someone else can confirm that for me.
You are correct... but the UI is horrid. I think it is that way on purpose,
to trick people into getting the Ask Toolbar. I have seen many people get
fooled by this (and I admit, I did too the first time I ran into it - with
Glary Utilities).
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news:ip8rck$m2k$2...@dont-email.me...
Ok, you were trolling then.
Your sensibilities are so noted, you trolling fsckwit!
Justin
It actually makes sense.
Since I don't actually own the OS, I shouldn't be allowed to decide what
gets installed.
I wonder when Microsoft will start putting ads as the desktop. After
all it is their right.
Justin
Somebody else brought up Flash.
Why is it when one installs Flash on the mac there are no options to
trick you into installing a toolbar or some bullshit Norton Security?
Same company.
Snit
>>>>
>>>> I suspect Slade and I are not getting that screen because we have
>>>> installed
>>>> CutePDF in the past and unchecked that box and it remembers... but
>>>> that is
>>>> just a guess. I do not recall ever getting that with CutePDF, but I
>>>> used to
>>>> with Glary Utilities - same exact screen. Maybe it remembers from one
>>>> program to the next - both asking for the Ask Toolbar? Who knows...
>>>>
>>>> The problem, though, is a poor UI and you not reading the screen
>>>> carefully.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Either way, it sucks; justlike everything related to Windows.
>>
>> Ok, you were trolling then.
>> Your sensibilities are so noted, you trolling fsckwit!
>
> It actually makes sense.
> Since I don't actually own the OS, I shouldn't be allowed to decide what
> gets installed.
> I wonder when Microsoft will start putting ads as the desktop. After
> all it is their right.
In this case you *do* get to decide... though the UI sucks (and is not
controlled by MS anyway).
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Justin
MS could exert some influence. It wouldn't take much and it wouldn't
cost them anything. Basically this goes into contract law. If one
party makes a contract using obtuse of unclear language or wording with
the intent of tricking people, the contract is void.
MS could start complaining and telling those companies to stop using
their OS as a medium for trickery.
Tommy Troll
> Once again, Microsoft doesn't care about other companies revoking free
> will. As in the free will to install only the software one wants.
> Here is an example, the usual offenders; CutePDF.
>
> Ask you can see I clearly unchecked the Ask toolbar optionhttp://yfrog.com/mscutepdfandaskj
>
> As you can see my decision was ignored.http://yfrog.com/mrcutepdfandaskstilljhttp://yfrog.com/jccutepdfandaskprogramsanj
>
> doesn't care about its customers. It doesn't care about security and it
> certainly doesn't care about the "user experience" it claims to cherish.
>
> sabotaged open source and/or free software I had to find an alternative
>
> Normally I use a Mac, but I'm traveling and my Mac is too valuable to
> bring along. So here I am with a crappy Dell E4300 with a "Loaded"
> version of Win7 Ultimate - 64 bit of course.
>
> However I'm going to keep using this machine for a while, I want to
> remind myself as to why I switched.
WTF? Any programmer could do that to you, even on a Mac. Why did you
even install the program? PDFEDIT995 has the same functionality, and
no nagware. And, you did not get any malware, just an extra browser
toolbar.
Think and act responsibly before you post such trash.
And stop whining like a Maccie.
Ezekiel
>
>"Justin" wrote in message news:ipaj5j$dcp$1...@dont-email.me...
You're a god damn idiot.
MS can't stop independent 3rd party software makers from making bad software
anymore than Ford or Chevy can tell Pep Boys to stop selling shitty tires.
Maybe HP should "exert influence" against paper companies who make low grade
paper people put into laser printers? Or how about MagLite suing companies
who make low quality flashlight batteries? Perhaps Toll Brothers and KB
Homes should sue Sherwin Williams because someone was stupid enough to paint
their house an ugly color.
There's a very good reason why the legal dept at Microsoft isn't doing
anything about this - it's because they're not clueless idiots like you are
"Justin."
John Slade
You're right it doesn't offer to install Norton Security.
It offers a download to install McAfee or the Google Toolbar or
Chrome.
http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/
The box is already checked and if you hit download it
will start installing that POS McAfee. When exactly was the last
time you actually downloaded something?
John
Snit
> On 4/27/2011 4:31 PM, Snit wrote:
>> Justin stated in post ip9tpe$fh7$1...@dont-email.me on 4/27/11 1:19 PM:
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I suspect Slade and I are not getting that screen because we have
>>>>>> installed
>>>>>> CutePDF in the past and unchecked that box and it remembers... but
>>>>>> that is
>>>>>> just a guess. I do not recall ever getting that with CutePDF, but I
>>>>>> used to
>>>>>> with Glary Utilities - same exact screen. Maybe it remembers from one
>>>>>> program to the next - both asking for the Ask Toolbar? Who knows...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The problem, though, is a poor UI and you not reading the screen
>>>>>> carefully.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Either way, it sucks; justlike everything related to Windows.
>>>>
>>>> Ok, you were trolling then.
>>>> Your sensibilities are so noted, you trolling fsckwit!
>>>
>>> It actually makes sense.
>>> Since I don't actually own the OS, I shouldn't be allowed to decide what
>>> gets installed.
>>> I wonder when Microsoft will start putting ads as the desktop. After
>>> all it is their right.
>>
>> In this case you *do* get to decide... though the UI sucks (and is not
>> controlled by MS anyway).
>>
>>
>
> MS could exert some influence. It wouldn't take much and it wouldn't
> cost them anything. Basically this goes into contract law.
What contract? Anyone can make software without a contract with MS.
> If one party makes a contract using obtuse of unclear language or wording with
> the intent of tricking people, the contract is void.
Who has a contract with MS?
> MS could start complaining and telling those companies to stop using their OS
> as a medium for trickery.
They can complain... but there is no contract with MS.
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>>
>>
>>"Justin" wrote in message news:ipaj5j$dcp$1...@dont-email.me...
>>On 4/27/2011 4:31 PM, Snit wrote:
>>>
>>> In this case you *do* get to decide... though the UI sucks (and is not
>>> controlled by MS anyway).
>>>
>>>
>>
>> MS could exert some influence. It wouldn't take much and it wouldn't cost
>> them anything. Basically this goes into contract law. If one party makes a
>> contract using obtuse of unclear language or wording with the intent of
>> tricking people, the contract is void.
>> MS could start complaining and telling those companies to stop using their OS
>> as a medium for trickery.
>
> You're a god damn idiot.
He really is, isn't he.
chrisv
>You're a god damn idiot.
>
>MS can't stop independent 3rd party software makers from making bad software
>anymore than Ford or Chevy can tell Pep Boys to stop selling shitty tires.
Funny, you've never called your shitty pal "Hadron" a "god damn
idiot", even though he has advocated the same type of
freedom-restriction in the FOSS world.
"Hadron" is a "god damn idiot", BTW, as are you, "Ezekiel".
flatfish+++
>>
>>
>>"Justin" wrote in message news:ipaj5j$dcp$1...@dont-email.me...
>>On 4/27/2011 4:31 PM, Snit wrote:
>>>
>>> In this case you *do* get to decide... though the UI sucks (and is not
>>> controlled by MS anyway).
>>>
>>>
>>
>>MS could exert some influence. It wouldn't take much and it wouldn't cost
>>them anything. Basically this goes into contract law. If one party makes
>>a contract using obtuse of unclear language or wording with the intent of
>>tricking people, the contract is void.
>>MS could start complaining and telling those companies to stop using their
>>OS as a medium for trickery.
>
>
> You're a god damn idiot.
>
> MS can't stop independent 3rd party software makers from making bad software
> anymore than Ford or Chevy can tell Pep Boys to stop selling shitty tires.
See Definity Tires for a perfect example.
> Maybe HP should "exert influence" against paper companies who make low grade
> paper people put into laser printers? Or how about MagLite suing companies
> who make low quality flashlight batteries? Perhaps Toll Brothers and KB
> Homes should sue Sherwin Williams because someone was stupid enough to paint
> their house an ugly color.
>
>
> There's a very good reason why the legal dept at Microsoft isn't doing
> anything about this - it's because they're not clueless idiots like you are
> "Justin."
Great smackdown!!!
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Snit
Justin is making a very odd assertion, to say the least.
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