Linux-Activists Digest #605
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Re: Linux Diskette Distribution (Ed Carp)
Re: Linux Diskette Distribution (Ed Carp)
Re: UUCP (Ed Carp)
Re: Linux Diskette Distribution (Ed Carp)
Re: Linux CDROM (Was stabilizing Linux) (william E Davidsen)
Re: DOS2Linux: Newbie to Newbie (Ben Lippolt)
Help using X other than logging in as root? (Robert W. Bingler)
Re: Multiport cards with good documentation? (Andrew F. Gunnesch)
Re: Multiport cards with good documentation? (william E Davidsen)
Re: Linux Diskette Distribution (THE Upholder of Truth)
Re: Linux Diskette Distribution (william E Davidsen)
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From: e...@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: Linux Diskette Distribution
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1992 19:58:29 GMT
dja...@aphrodite.cs.wisc.edu (Dean Jansa) writes:
: Being a student, I know money is not that easy to come up with. I would
: hate to see a student not be able to get linux because they can't come
: up with 60 bucks. 19 disks?? What on earth are you giving them? I got
: the mcc release on 4! 5 more for X!! I _know_ that doesn't cost
: $60 bucks. Any student would be willing to pay for the disks, but 60
: bucks??
:
: Let's keep Linux alive and well, and FREE!!
Totally agree. I didn't spend the last 6 months of my free time to port
stuff over (and write new stuff) just so someone can run off and make $$$
off of my work.
When I get my 9600 baud modem up and running, I'll be offering anon-uucp
access to the disk images of the mcc-interim distribution, as well as
mailpak, the at utilities, and anything else folks want. You pay for
the phone call, you download it. You'll also be able to download
waffle (uucp/mail/news for MSDOS) to get you started, rawrite.exe, etc.
So you can get all the stuff you need from me to build your own linux
distribution. Gratis.
I've also considered offering to build mcc-interim distributions on
diskettes for folks. You send me the diskettes, kick in a couple of
bucks for wear and tear on the diskette drive, and I'll be happy to
drop the distribution on your diskettes. Formatted 3-1/2 diskettes only,
please...:)
If you haven't already guessed, I subscribe to the original hacker's
ethic, too ... :)
--
Ed Carp, N7EKG e...@apple.com 801/538-0177
"This is the final task I will ever give you, and it goes on forever. Act
happy, feel happy, be happy, without a reason in the world. Then you can love,
and do what you will." -- Dan Millman, "Way Of The Peaceful Warrior"
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From: e...@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: Linux Diskette Distribution
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1992 20:01:06 GMT
er...@tantalus.dell.com (Eric Youngdale) writes:
: The GPL requires that you receive the source code for each program in
: addition to the binaries. It is true that you could pack most of the binaries
Not excatly correct - it requires that you either give the person the source,
make it available to them (for download, or other means) or tell them where
they can get it.
--
Ed Carp, N7EKG e...@apple.com 801/538-0177
"This is the final task I will ever give you, and it goes on forever. Act
happy, feel happy, be happy, without a reason in the world. Then you can love,
and do what you will." -- Dan Millman, "Way Of The Peaceful Warrior"
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From: e...@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: UUCP
Date: 11 Aug 92 20:06:52 GMT
jcha...@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jarett Chaiken) writes:
: Hi all,
: I just compiled the uucp package, and I have a problem. When i run
: uucico -r1 -sxxxxx -x9 it just drops me back to the shell w/o doing anything
: I guessed the setup stuff. Could someone please help me out?
There are several "hidden" changes to uucico that Ian made. Try using "-f"
to force the uucico to fire up. It's probably blowing up because (1) you
don't have the Devices file set up right, (2) the permissions on your serial
device are wrong, or (3) there are still lock files in /usr/spool/uucp.
--
Ed Carp, N7EKG e...@apple.com 801/538-0177
"This is the final task I will ever give you, and it goes on forever. Act
happy, feel happy, be happy, without a reason in the world. Then you can love,
and do what you will." -- Dan Millman, "Way Of The Peaceful Warrior"
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From: e...@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: Linux Diskette Distribution
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1992 20:25:20 GMT
tuc...@yuppie.enet.dec.com (David Tucker / KC4ZGO) writes:
: I've always wondered why $59.95 instead of $60. Can some marketing whiz
: fill me in?
Because the marketing folks feel that $59.95 is a lot cheaper than $60.
Looks that way, anyway... :)
--
Ed Carp, N7EKG e...@apple.com 801/538-0177
"This is the final task I will ever give you, and it goes on forever. Act
happy, feel happy, be happy, without a reason in the world. Then you can love,
and do what you will." -- Dan Millman, "Way Of The Peaceful Warrior"
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From: davi...@ariel.crd.GE.COM (william E Davidsen)
Subject: Re: Linux CDROM (Was stabilizing Linux)
Date: 11 Aug 92 20:46:32 GMT
Reply-To: davi...@crd.ge.com (bill davidsen)
In article <32...@ra.nrl.navy.mil>, er...@tantalus.dell.com (Eric Youngdale) writes:
| > A good reason to buy a CD_ROM drive, though, instead of reading stuff
| >off one at work and bringing it home.
|
| I agree. I have the Simtel20 disc that Walnut Creek also produces, and
| I will never ftp to that site again. Ftp is just too slow, and browsing can be
| an agony. With the disc, I can grep all of the readme files, or pluck out one
| file that I need. I can fire up Emacs on the master index and search for
Are these the people who said they'd give a free disk to contributors
of the software? I wrote to then about that, because I was moderator of
cbip for three years, and push at least 30-40MB of those contributions
out my modem on their way to Simtel20. I guess it only applies to
/authors/ of the software, though, because I never got a disk from them.
Since compressed data works as well on CD-ROM as anywhere else, I
think there's room for lots of stuff on that platter, maybe the
source.misc and source.unix, or simtel20 unix collection, etc. Ithink
all of Linux stuff in a good compressed format would fit in 50MB,
leaving lots of room for other stuff.
--
bill davidsen, GE Corp. R&D Center; Box 8; Schenectady NY 12345
I admit that when I was in school I wrote COBOL. But I didn't compile.
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From: b...@loki.pttrnl.nl (Ben Lippolt)
Subject: Re: DOS2Linux: Newbie to Newbie
Date: 11 Aug 92 19:46:43 GMT
Reply-To: B.J.L...@research.ptt.nl
sak...@vipunen.hut.fi (Sakari Aaltonen) writes:
|1. You have compiled your first hello.c for Linux. You type
| hello
|and nothing happens. Gotcha! Unlike MSDOS, say, Linux does NOT automatically
|search your current directory. You should type
| ./hello
You can put '.' in your path. In 'csh' or 'tcsh' you do this as follows:
% set path = (. <rest of your path>)
In 'sh' and 'bash' you do it like:
$ PATH=.:<rest of your path>
$ export $PATH
|2. A README file written by one of the nice people who port stuff to Linux
|says "run install". You type
| install
|and nothing happens. You remember point 1. above and type
| ./install
|and STILL nothing happens. Gotcha! install is not a program; it's a shell
|script (like MSDOS .BAT files). You should type
| sh install
If a shell script contains
#!/usr/bin/sh
(or #!/usr/bin/csh)
as its first line, and the file is executable (ie. has the 'x' bit on),
it will be run by that shell.
So, if you have '.' in your path and the script contains '#!/usr/bin/sh'
you can simply type 'install'.
Ben Lippolt
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From: r...@Turing.ORG (Robert W. Bingler)
Subject: Help using X other than logging in as root?
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1992 19:34:34 GMT
Hey,
How can I setup X to allow me to use it other than
having to be logged in as root?
Thanks,
Rob
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From: af...@engin.umich.edu (Andrew F. Gunnesch)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.sysv386
Subject: Re: Multiport cards with good documentation?
Date: 11 Aug 92 21:11:45 GMT
In article <1992Aug11.2...@crd.ge.com> davi...@crd.ge.com (bill davidsen) writes:
|In article <1992Aug10.1...@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, lfo...@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard) writes:
|| Does any one know of a multi-I/O card maker that provides enough
|| documentation to write a device driver for there card?
|| Preferably a card that has the capability of handling multiple
|| high speed connections.
|
| I suggest you just get the free FAS driver and hack that. Does
|everything you want. Or perhaps the SAS (streams FAS) driver instead. I
|don't have tha latest versions, but maybe there's a US ftp site for
|them. I've tried 4-5 times to pull FAS from Germany, but the connection
|keeps timing out.
|--
|bill davidsen, GE Corp. R&D Center; Box 8; Schenectady NY 12345
| I admit that when I was in school I wrote COBOL. But I didn't compile.
I have put the latest version of FAS that I have (2.09pl1) up for
anonymous FTP as: freebie.engin.umich.edu:/pub/tmp/fas.2.09pl1.tar.Z, or
if you have access to AFS, check out the file:
/afs/engin.umich.edu/group/engin/ftp/fas.2.09pl1.tar.Z
--
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Andrew F. Gunnesch | Evil CAEN sysadmin | I'm a Sun worshipper
af...@caen.engin.umich.edu |What? I just work here| not a DEC dog.......
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From: davi...@ariel.crd.GE.COM (william E Davidsen)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.sysv386
Subject: Re: Multiport cards with good documentation?
Date: 11 Aug 92 20:54:59 GMT
Reply-To: davi...@crd.ge.com (bill davidsen)
In article <1992Aug10.1...@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, lfo...@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard) writes:
| Does any one know of a multi-I/O card maker that provides enough
| documentation to write a device driver for there card?
| Preferably a card that has the capability of handling multiple
| high speed connections.
I suggest you just get the free FAS driver and hack that. Does
everything you want. Or perhaps the SAS (streams FAS) driver instead. I
don't have tha latest versions, but maybe there's a US ftp site for
them. I've tried 4-5 times to pull FAS from Germany, but the connection
keeps timing out.
--
bill davidsen, GE Corp. R&D Center; Box 8; Schenectady NY 12345
I admit that when I was in school I wrote COBOL. But I didn't compile.
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From: Upho...@uiuc.edu (THE Upholder of Truth)
Subject: Re: Linux Diskette Distribution
Date: 11 Aug 92 21:17:56 GMT
Reply-To: Upho...@uiuc.edu (THE Upholder of Truth)
er...@tantalus.dell.com (Eric Youngdale) writes:
|To start with, you would need to buy floppy discs. I think
|that the 1.44 probably go for around 1$ right now, but you might do a little
|better than that. Next each of these need to be formatted. That is not a fun
|job and no one is going to do it for free just because linux is so great.
if you're paying $1 / 1.44 floppy.... they darn well better be formatted...
Looking in the Computer shopper (not the world's best price guide, but not
too far off either) you can get 1.44 Formatted floppies for 59 cents each
in lots of 100.
--
The Upholder of Truth I am not only ready to
Upho...@uiuc.edu (BSD/ASCII mail) retract this, but also
jar4...@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu (NeXT mail) deny I said anything. =)
wi....@wizvax.methuen.ma.us (anon. mail) This is *NOT* CCSO's opinion.
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From: davi...@ariel.crd.GE.COM (william E Davidsen)
Subject: Re: Linux Diskette Distribution
Date: 11 Aug 92 21:14:01 GMT
Reply-To: davi...@crd.ge.com (bill davidsen)
I am a member of PESS, a shareware distribution group which shares some
duplicating costs and postal fees, but is not an organization in the
sense of sharing profits. As a general rule, duplicating disks properly
at home will run about $2/disk, assuming that you format, copy on the
data, and verify, print labels and attach them, etc. Then you have
ordering costs (ie time) and shipping cost ($ and time).
I charge $2/disk and $5/order for "free" disks, and that just about
covers labor, materials, shipping, and equipment wear. You don't get
someone reliable (at least in my area) for minimum wage, you get them
for about $5 and hour after tax).
Duplicating services have very little labor, machines designed for
long use, etc. They will not be all that cheap though, either. I would
consider the price mentioned to be a definite profit making effort, but
it's not nearly as high as several posters have implied.
If you don't like it, compete. I was going to distribute one of the
releases, but the need to offer source shot the idea down. I like the
idea of public service, but I'm not a charity, and if I can't offer the
5 disk set, I can't offer Linux. I'm putting the tamu disk set of images
up on the BBS and calling it done.
--
bill davidsen, GE Corp. R&D Center; Box 8; Schenectady NY 12345
I admit that when I was in school I wrote COBOL. But I didn't compile.
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