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Charlie Gibbs
Jan 23, 2012, 6:29:32 PM1/23/12
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In article <ic62g28...@home.home>, des...@verizon.net (Dan Espen) writes:
> "Charlie Gibbs" <cgi...@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
>
>> [cross-posted from alt.folklore.computers to comp.os.linux.setup]
>>
>> In article <ic39b8a...@home.home>, des...@verizon.net (Dan Espen)
>> writes:
>>
>>> This is just MSFT trying desperately to sell their product
>>> against a product that costs nothing. They have a long time
>>> to dominate but these tactics will only hasten the day that users
>>> revolt and try the free OS.
>>
>> That day won't come until Linux application developers get their
>> collective act together. I used to think Windows' DLL hell was bad.
>> But Linux dependency hell is far worse. Package managers help a lot,
>> but when they fail you're still screwed.
>
> Sounds like you want your money back. :)
Got it all, thanks.
> Anyway, saying "Linux dependency hell is far worse" makes it sound
> like you have no idea what you are talking about. Try installing
> a tiny fraction of the number of Linux applications you get on Windows
> and then come back to us.
I'm not claiming vast experience - but on the whole, I haven't seen
a great advantage of one over the other. Certainly not enough to
convince people to switch.
> Why yes, I am a Linux fan-boy.
I am too. Or at least I'm trying to be. My main box runs Linux
and I feel most comfortable there. But whenever I try to turn
someone else on to Linux, they ask for an application which is
either a pain to install, or which isn't polished enough to sell
itself. Remember, we're talking about naive users here, not hackers.
They don't care about technical niceties, they just want an appliance
that works. And if it doesn't work out of the box, they're not
willing to spend a lot of time fiddling with it to make it work.
They always wind up going back to Windows, because Windows apps
usually do what they want - sort of, at least - right off the bat.
My ranting is out of frustration - I'm trying to show people that
Linux is a viable alternative to Windows, and I keep failing.
My potential converts invariably look at it for a while, say,
"Nice try. Come back again when it works," and then go back
to their Windows boxes. That hurts.
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> "Charlie Gibbs" <cgi...@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
>
>> [cross-posted from alt.folklore.computers to comp.os.linux.setup]
>>
>> In article <ic39b8a...@home.home>, des...@verizon.net (Dan Espen)
>> writes:
>>
>>> This is just MSFT trying desperately to sell their product
>>> against a product that costs nothing. They have a long time
>>> to dominate but these tactics will only hasten the day that users
>>> revolt and try the free OS.
>>
>> That day won't come until Linux application developers get their
>> collective act together. I used to think Windows' DLL hell was bad.
>> But Linux dependency hell is far worse. Package managers help a lot,
>> but when they fail you're still screwed.
>
> Sounds like you want your money back. :)
Got it all, thanks.
> Anyway, saying "Linux dependency hell is far worse" makes it sound
> like you have no idea what you are talking about. Try installing
> a tiny fraction of the number of Linux applications you get on Windows
> and then come back to us.
I'm not claiming vast experience - but on the whole, I haven't seen
a great advantage of one over the other. Certainly not enough to
convince people to switch.
> Why yes, I am a Linux fan-boy.
I am too. Or at least I'm trying to be. My main box runs Linux
and I feel most comfortable there. But whenever I try to turn
someone else on to Linux, they ask for an application which is
either a pain to install, or which isn't polished enough to sell
itself. Remember, we're talking about naive users here, not hackers.
They don't care about technical niceties, they just want an appliance
that works. And if it doesn't work out of the box, they're not
willing to spend a lot of time fiddling with it to make it work.
They always wind up going back to Windows, because Windows apps
usually do what they want - sort of, at least - right off the bat.
My ranting is out of frustration - I'm trying to show people that
Linux is a viable alternative to Windows, and I keep failing.
My potential converts invariably look at it for a while, say,
"Nice try. Come back again when it works," and then go back
to their Windows boxes. That hurts.
--
/~\ cgi...@kltpzyxm.invalid (Charlie Gibbs)
\ / I'm really at ac.dekanfrus if you read it the right way.
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Andreas Eder
Jan 25, 2012, 12:50:00 PM1/25/12
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Hi Charlie,
>>>>> "Charlie" == Charlie Gibbs <cgi...@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
Charlie> They always wind up going back to Windows, because Windows apps
Charlie> usually do what they want - sort of, at least - right off the bat.
That's strange. Whenever I have to use Windows my impression
invariably is that Windows apps do what they - the apps - want
and *not* what *I* want. Especially so, if it is an MS app.
'Andreas
--
ceterum censeo redmondinem esse delendam.
>>>>> "Charlie" == Charlie Gibbs <cgi...@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
Charlie> They always wind up going back to Windows, because Windows apps
Charlie> usually do what they want - sort of, at least - right off the bat.
That's strange. Whenever I have to use Windows my impression
invariably is that Windows apps do what they - the apps - want
and *not* what *I* want. Especially so, if it is an MS app.
'Andreas
--
ceterum censeo redmondinem esse delendam.
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