How do you pronounce Linux?
James McIninch
Someone calling themselves Kan Yuenyong (kai...@geocities.com) wrote:
) I don't use native english language, so don't know how 'LINUX'
) pronounce.
Since the author of Linux is dutch, I assume it is pronounced according
to their pronounciation: lee-nooks.
) I found some text it's describe as 'Lih-nuchs', don't know what it is.
) Does it pronounce as lee-nook like 'we' and 'book' or Lai-narck
) like 'my' and 'huck'?
) Thanks in advance,
) Kan./
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Mark Hamstra
James McIninch wrote:
>
> Someone calling themselves Kan Yuenyong (kai...@geocities.com) wrote:
> ) I don't use native english language, so don't know how 'LINUX'
> ) pronounce.
>
> Since the author of Linux is dutch, I assume it is pronounced according
> to their pronounciation: lee-nooks.
[snip]
Hmmm... I must have missed something: When did Holland conquer Finland?
Mark Hamstra
Bentley Systems, Inc.
Jack Walker
ja...@biology.gatech.edu (James McIninch) wrote:
>Someone calling themselves Kan Yuenyong (kai...@geocities.com) wrote:
>) I don't use native english language, so don't know how 'LINUX'
>) pronounce.
>Since the author of Linux is dutch, I assume it is pronounced according
>to their pronounciation: lee-nooks.
I think you mean Finnish. :o
Kan Yuenyong
I don't use native english language, so don't know how 'LINUX'
I found some text it's describe as 'Lih-nuchs', don't know what it is.
Thanks in advance,
Kan./
Barry Smith
I understand it as Linnercks with the emphasis an the Linn (short i sound
as in fish).
Kan Yuenyong <kai...@geocities.com> wrote in article
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Lars Dam
HI Kan,
> I don't use native english language, so don't know how 'LINUX'
> pronounce.
> I found some text it's describe as 'Lih-nuchs', don't know what it is.
> Does it pronounce as lee-nook like 'we' and 'book' or Lai-narck
> like 'my' and 'huck'?
TMHO it should be pronounce as [Liehnuhks]
LI like LEE
ans NUX like sucks
The writer was Finnish not Dutch and his name was Linus, which is
pronouced almost the same except for the ck sound...
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Kan Yuenyong
Mark Hamstra wrote:
>
> James McIninch wrote:
> >
> > Someone calling themselves Kan Yuenyong (kai...@geocities.com) wrote:
> > ) I don't use native english language, so don't know how 'LINUX'
> > ) pronounce.
> >
> > Since the author of Linux is dutch, I assume it is pronounced according
> > to their pronounciation: lee-nooks.
>
>
> Hmmm... I must have missed something: When did Holland conquer Finland?
>
> Mark Hamstra
> Bentley Systems, Inc.
Linus Torvalds is a finnish, right. I think Mr.McIninch means to
Finland,
but have some confusion since Finland is near Holland in the north of
Europe.
Someone sent me .au file which play Linus' sound pronounce Linux, Thanks
very much. I had listened it before and it sounds like 'lee-nooks' but
I'm not sure. Since in my country, there is someone post the Linux
article
in computer magazine, and he pronounce as 'Lai-narchs'. And there are
many people pronounce 'Lai-narchs' include some university students
and teachers.
So, I do want to know, how Linux pronounce. Does it not different
between 'lee-nooks' & 'lai-narchs' in USA. and Europe?
Kan./
Patrik Radman
Jack Walker (jawa...@beckman.com) wrote:
> ja...@biology.gatech.edu (James McIninch) wrote:
>
> >Someone calling themselves Kan Yuenyong (kai...@geocities.com) wrote:
> >) I don't use native english language, so don't know how 'LINUX'
> >) pronounce.
>
> >Since the author of Linux is dutch, I assume it is pronounced according
> >to their pronounciation: lee-nooks.
>
Yes, and even a swedish-speaking finn. (6% of Finland's population)
.
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Patrik Radman
Kan Yuenyong (kai...@geocities.com) wrote:
[snip]
> Linus Torvalds is a finnish, right. I think Mr.McIninch means to
> Finland,
> but have some confusion since Finland is near Holland in the north of
> Europe.
Near? Not in my opinion, but I guess an american might view the whole of
Europe as 'small'. :) My guess is ~2000 km border to border.
On the pronounciation issue, who cares? I sometimes pronounce it
differently depending on what language I'm speaking, so just pronounce
it any way you like... :)
Jaakko Hyvatti
Kan Yuenyong <kai...@geocities.com> wrote:
>I don't use native english language, so don't know how 'LINUX'
>pronounce.
You should propably be a native Swedish or Finnish speaker to know
without reading the Linux FAQ and listening to the audio files, because
Linus is a Swedish-speaking Finn.
<URL:http://www.ssc.com/linux-int/Resources/linux-faq/section8.html#q_8_8>
Question 8.8. How should I pronounce Linux ?
...
If you want to hear Linus himself say how he pronounces it download
english.au or swedish.au from ftp.funet.fi (in
/pub/OS/Linux/PEOPLE/Linus/SillySounds). If you have a soundcard or the
PC-speaker audio driver you can hear them by typing
cat english.au >/dev/audio
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Tim Spence
From the FAQ (http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/users/iwj10/linux-faq/):
For the benefit of those of you who don't have the equipment or inclination:
Linus pronounces Linux approximately as Leenus, where the ee is as in feet but
rather
shorter and the u is like a much shorter version of the French eu sound in peur
(pronouncing it as the u in put is probably passable).
When speaking English I pronounce it Lie-nucks (u as in bucket) --- this is an
anglicised pronunciation based on the analogy with Linus' name, which in
English is
usually pronounced Lie-nus (u as in put). It is of course quite acceptable and
common to modify the pronunciation of a proper noun when it changes languages.
I think I can safely say that the pronunciation Linnucks (short i as in pit,
short u as in bucket) is wrong in English, as it is not the original Swedish
pronunciation, not a
sensible direct anglicisation of it, and not based on the anglicised version of
Linus' name.
Bill Simpson
>
> Someone sent me .au file which play Linus' sound pronounce Linux, Thanks
> very much. I had listened it before and it sounds like 'lee-nooks' but
> I'm not sure. Since in my country, there is someone post the Linux
> article
> in computer magazine, and he pronounce as 'Lai-narchs'. And there are
> many people pronounce 'Lai-narchs' include some university students
> and teachers.
>
> So, I do want to know, how Linux pronounce. Does it not different
> between 'lee-nooks' & 'lai-narchs' in USA. and Europe?
>
pronounced lee-noose. Thus the lee-nooks pronunciation for Linux.
In English-speaking countries the same name Linus (yes it is an English
name too) is pronounced lai-nus (rhymes with "why bus"). You can watch a
Charlie Brown cartoon and see how native English speakers pronounce Linus.
Thus the lai-nucks (lai-narchs) pronunciation. Linux fans always say this
pronunciation is wrong, but for English speakers it is the natural
pronunciation.
There is even another pronunciation linn-ucks (rhymes with "win sucks")
used in English-speaking countries. Often English speakers don't
anglicize a pronunciation completely. So they transform the i from long
(ee) to short. This is a pronunciation halfway between full anglicization
and full europeanization.
Take your pick. If you're not a native English speaker you choice narrows
to one: lee-nooks.
BTW: somebody said Finland was next to Holland in Northern Europe. Yup,
just like Maine is next to Ohio. (I'm assuming you know U.S. geography)
Bill
Corne Beerse
Kan Yuenyong wrote:
> I don't use native english language, so don't know how 'LINUX'
> pronounce.
> Does it pronounce as lee-nook like 'we' and 'book' or Lai-narck
> like 'my' and 'huck'?
http://www.ssc.com/linux-int/Resources/linux-faq/section8.html#q_8_8
There you have
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Aaron Ardiri
Kan Yuenyong <kai...@geocities.com> writes:
>I don't use native english language, so don't know how 'LINUX'
>pronounce.
>I found some text it's describe as 'Lih-nuchs', don't know what it is.
>Does it pronounce as lee-nook like 'we' and 'book' or Lai-narck
>like 'my' and 'huck'?
the way i pronounce it is like this: (which is the accept standard
where i am)..
lie nucks
hope that helps..
az.
Bill Mccarthy
In article <32E735...@ats.nld.alcatel.nl>,
Corne Beerse <bee...@ats.nld.alcatel.nl> writes:
> Kan Yuenyong wrote:
>> I don't use native english language, so don't know how 'LINUX'
>> pronounce.
>> I found some text it's describe as 'Lih-nuchs', don't know what it is.
>> Does it pronounce as lee-nook like 'we' and 'book' or Lai-narck
>> like 'my' and 'huck'?
> http://www.ssc.com/linux-int/Resources/linux-faq/section8.html#q_8_8
>
> There you have
>
heard Linux consistantly pronounced lin-icks - both short i as in
in :)
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Mike Parry
Aaron Ardiri wrote:
>
> Kan Yuenyong <kai...@geocities.com> writes:
>
> >I don't use native english language, so don't know how 'LINUX'
> >pronounce.
> >I found some text it's describe as 'Lih-nuchs', don't know what it is.
> >Does it pronounce as lee-nook like 'we' and 'book' or Lai-narck
> >like 'my' and 'huck'?
>
> where i am)..
>
> lie nucks
>
> hope that helps..
>
> az.
Me too!!
Kevin Swan
Bill Mccarthy (bmc...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: I dunno. I listened to the Linux show on User Group - PCTV. And I
: heard Linux consistantly pronounced lin-icks - both short i as in
: in :)
Everyone around here pronounces it LIN-icks; LIN, as in "win", and "icks" as
in "kicks".
Kev.
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From the Linux FAQ at http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/users/iwj10/linux-faq/
Question 8.8. How should I pronounce Linux ?
This is a matter of religious debate, of course !
If you want to hear Linus himself say how he pronounces it download
english.au or swedish.au from ftp.funet.fi (in
/pub/OS/Linux/PEOPLE/Linus/SillySounds). If you have a soundcard or
the PC-speaker audio driver you can hear them by typing
cat english.au >/dev/audio
The difference isn't in the pronunciation of Linux but in the language
Linus uses to say hello. The English version was parodied very well by
Jin Choi as "Hi, my name is Leenoos Torvahlds and I pronounce Leenooks
as Leenooks."
On Fri, 24 Jan 1997 07:24:38 GMT, ard...@cs.uwa.oz.au (Aaron Ardiri)
Cheers,
Steve Webster
Kan Yuenyong
>
> Bill Mccarthy (bmc...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>
> : I dunno. I listened to the Linux show on User Group - PCTV. And I
> : heard Linux consistantly pronounced lin-icks - both short i as in
> : in :)
>
> Everyone around here pronounces it LIN-icks; LIN, as in "win", and "icks" as
> in "kicks".
Hi,
I thought, I had a conclusion that LINUX pronouced as 'lee-nooks',
right?
Where is LIN-icks from? But I think because of it's on UNIX (you-nicks)
based.
With information in http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/users/iwj10/linux-faq/, I
think
Linux should be pronouced as 'lee-nooks'.
regards,
Kan./
Christopher Curtis
>I thought, I had a conclusion that LINUX pronouced as 'lee-nooks', right?
>Where is LIN-icks from? But I think because of it's on UNIX (you-nicks) based.
>With information in http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/users/iwj10/linux-faq/, I think
>Linux should be pronouced as 'lee-nooks'.
Actually, somewhere out there (please don't ask me where) there is an au
file of Linus pronouncing Linux and it is indeed "lee-nooks".
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In article <32ece...@131.162.2.91>,
ke...@kombat.acadiau.ca (Kevin Swan) wrote:
>Bill Mccarthy (bmc...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>
>: I dunno. I listened to the Linux show on User Group - PCTV. And I
>: heard Linux consistantly pronounced lin-icks - both short i as in
>: in :)
>
>Everyone around here pronounces it LIN-icks; LIN, as in "win", and "icks" as
>in "kicks".
>
For native English speakers, LYE-nux is more natural. LIN-icks is a
phony imitation of what a native Finnish speaker would say. It is
correct to change the pronunciation when changing languages.
As someone else said a while ago, native English speakers do not say
MEH-hee-co when pronouncing Mexico, although native Spanish speakers
do. Would it make sense for native English speakers to pretentiously
say MEH-hee-co in imitation of the Spanish while the vast majority of
the general populace do not? Of course not. So why would anybody
want to pretentiously imitate a Finnish speaker by saying LIN-icks?
If you are a native English speaker, just say LYE-nux, for the same
reason you would pronounce data as "DAY-ta," and not "DAAA-ta." And
if you don't believe that, just review the Star Trek episode where Dr.
Pulaski inaccurately pronounced commander DAY-ta's name as DAAA-ta!
Michael Merideth
Here in Fort Collins, it's LIN-uhks. As one poster said before, rhymes
with "win sucks". For that reason alone, I find it the most appealing.
:)
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Nir Soffer
Kan Yuenyong (kai...@geocities.com) wrote:
: >
: > Bill Mccarthy (bmc...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: >
: > : I dunno. I listened to the Linux show on User Group - PCTV. And I
: > : heard Linux consistantly pronounced lin-icks - both short i as in
: > : in :)
: >
: > Everyone around here pronounces it LIN-icks; LIN, as in "win", and "icks" as
: > in "kicks".
LIN-icks is wrong. It should be Lin-Ooks.
ftp.cs.helsinki.fi/pub/Software/Linux/Kernel/SillySounds/english.au
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Corne Beerse
Bill Simpson wrote:
> There is even another pronunciation linn-ucks (rhymes with "win sucks")
> used in English-speaking countries.
I vote for this one!!
Groetjes
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On Tuesday, January 21, 1997 3:00:00 AM UTC-5, James McIninch wrote:
> Someone calling themselves Kan Yuenyong wrote:
> ) I don't use native english language, so don't know how 'LINUX'
>
> Since the author of Linux is dutch, I assume it is pronounced according
> to their pronounciation: lee-nooks.
>
>
> ) Does it pronounce as lee-nook like 'we' and 'book' or Lai-narck
> ) like 'my' and 'huck'?
Michael Black
> Here is a video of Linus Torvalds clarifying the pronunciation of both his own name and the Linux kernel. Watch it and make up your own mind.
>
Google isn't usenet, don't think that what you see at google is what we
see over here. Google still hasn't fixed the bug that allows replies to
messages older than 30 days, but that doens't mean people shouldn't show
common sense and not reply to older messages. I can't even figure out why
you were scrolling back 16 years, or what combination of search landed you
on this old message that you just had to reply to.
Michael
Aragorn
original post - probably killed off by my filter on Google Groups.]
On Wednesday 19 June 2013 13:11, Kevin conveyed the following to
comp.os.linux.misc...
> On Tuesday, January 21, 1997 3:00:00 AM UTC-5, James McIninch wrote:
>> Someone calling themselves Kan Yuenyong wrote:
>
>> ) I don't use native english language, so don't know how 'LINUX'
>> ) pronounce.
>>
Linus Torvalds, the author and principal developer of the Linux kernel
is most certainly not Dutch. He comes from a Swedish-speaking minority
in Finland, and he has in the meantime since his graduation from the
University of Helsinki - where he was still studying when he wrote the
very first versions of Linux - and since his wedding relocated to the
United States of America with his family.
Also note that Linux is only the kernel of the operating system. The
rest of the operating system itself - i.e. the tool chain, the utilities
and the libraries - come from the GNU project, which was already created
in 1983-1984 by Richard Stallman, who founded the Free Software
Foundation shortly afterwards.
Richard Stallman (or "RMS" for friends) was himself the principal author
of gcc (orginally the GNU C Compiler, now the GNU Compiler Collective)
and the GNU Emacs editor. While working at the artificial intelligence
labs at MIT in the early 1980s, Stallman got frustrated over the fact
that he was not allowed to share his code with friends and coworkers
because of MIT's claim of ownership of that code. This is what inspired
him to create the Free Software [*] movement. He set out to create a
UNIX-like operating system, GNU, completely licensed as Free Software -
that which is now often called Open Source - and based upon a
revolutionary microkernel design.
However, even though all of the software was quickly written up and of
exceptional code quality, the microkernel remained a work in progress
and was rather slow. By consequence, the GNU userland software was
mainly used with other (in the meantime Free Software) kernels such as
the FreeBSD or NetBSD kernels, but given that those operating systems
have a complete and fully functional userland of their own, there was
little incentive for anyone to use the GNU userland. Until Linus
Torvalds came along.
In 1991, Linus was studying at the University of Helsinki and was using
Minix on his own i386 computer. Minix is a UNIX-like operating system
written for educational purposes by Professor Andrew Tanenbaum.
However, Linus's computer was a 32-bit machine, and Minix was at the
time only 16-bit, and although its license allowed for studying the code
- that was its purpose, after all - the license did not allow modifying
the code. So Linus set out to write his own UNIX-like kernel. At first
he still used the tools available in Minix to do the job, but eventually
he got more acquainted with the GNU project and he started using the GNU
tools. Linus Torvalds wrote an excellent kernel but did not write any
userland, and GNU was an excellent userland without a working kernel of
its own. It was a match made in heaven.
So this is how the operating system which most people now refer to as
"Linux" was born, even though it should more correctly be called
GNU/Linux - or "GNU plus Linux", as Richard Stallman now calls it -
because Linux without GNU is only being used in embedded devices - e.g.
in routers, or as part of Android. Calling it "GNU Linux" without a
slash or some other separator wouldn't be correct either, because Linux
- the kernel - is not part of the GNU project. It was obviously
developed separately, albeit that Linus Torvalds did like and adopt the
GNU General Public License, version 2. (He doesn't like version 3.)
[*] There appears to be a persistent confusion over the term Free
Software versus Freeware. Freeware is proprietary software of which
the use is free of charge, but you have no access to the source code
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it in any way. Free Software is software which may or may not be
distributed commercially - e.g. RedHat EL is Free Software, but it
is only available from RedHat itself as a commercial bundle, which
includes a support contract - but of which the source code is freely
accessible, and this source code may be modified and redistributed,
under certain conditions specified in the license. The BSD license
for instance is more permissive than the GNU GPL. The difference
between Free Software and Open Source Software is a semantic one.
It's essentially the same thing, but the Free Software Foundation
are freedom activists, whereas the Open Source Initiative puts the
emphasis on the code quality attained by opening up the source code
to the rest of the world and having more people collaborate on the
project. Both viewpoints are valid, but considering the emphasis
of each, both groups don't necessarily see eye to eye on everything.
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unruh
> Here is a video of Linus Torvalds clarifying the pronunciation of both his own name and the Linux kernel. Watch it and make up your own mind.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAEsoKiZTvk
English, And thus his pronunciation must be normalised by that fact.
Since we know now the word Linus is pronounced in English, we can then
infer what he was trying to say (were it not for his accent) when he
pronounced Linux. :-)
> On Tuesday, January 21, 1997 3:00:00 AM UTC-5, James McIninch wrote:
>> Someone calling themselves Kan Yuenyong wrote:
>> ) I don't use native english language, so don't know how 'LINUX'
>> ) pronounce.
>>
>> Since the author of Linux is dutch, I assume it is pronounced according
>> to their pronounciation: lee-nooks.
unruh
> it in any way. Free Software is software which may or may not be
> distributed commercially - e.g. RedHat EL is Free Software, but it
> is only available from RedHat itself as a commercial bundle, which
further restrictions (eg restrictions which they have at times tried to
impose related to trademarks etc) are clearly in violation of the GPL
and can thus be ignored. Their support contract is proprietary, but the
software is not.
> includes a support contract - but of which the source code is freely
> accessible, and this source code may be modified and redistributed,
> under certain conditions specified in the license. The BSD license
which are more restrictive than the GPL are essentially null and void.
Aragorn
comp.os.linux.misc...
> On 2013-06-20, Aragorn <thor...@telenet.be.invalid> wrote:
>
>> it in any way. Free Software is software which may or may not be
>> distributed commercially - e.g. RedHat EL is Free Software, but
>> it is only available from RedHat itself as a commercial bundle,
>> which
>
> No. Redhat ELsoftware is specifically released under GPL, and any
> further restrictions (eg restrictions which they have at times tried
> to impose related to trademarks etc) are clearly in violation of the
> GPL and can thus be ignored. Their support contract is proprietary,
> but the software is not.
>
>> includes a support contract - but of which the source code is
>> freely accessible, and this source code may be modified and
>> redistributed, under certain conditions specified in the license.
>> The BSD license
>
> No it can be redistributed under the GPL, and any parts of their
> license which are more restrictive than the GPL are essentially null
> and void.
Keith Keller
> No. Redhat ELsoftware is specifically released under GPL, and any
> further restrictions (eg restrictions which they have at times tried to
> impose related to trademarks etc) are clearly in violation of the GPL
> and can thus be ignored. Their support contract is proprietary, but the
> software is not.
modified versions.
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> On Thursday 20 June 2013 14:27, unruh conveyed the following to
> comp.os.linux.misc...
>
>> On 2013-06-20, Aragorn <thor...@telenet.be.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> it in any way. Free Software is software which may or may not be
>>> distributed commercially - e.g. RedHat EL is Free Software, but
>>> it is only available from RedHat itself as a commercial bundle,
>>> which
>>
>> No. Redhat ELsoftware is specifically released under GPL, and any
>> further restrictions (eg restrictions which they have at times tried
>> to impose related to trademarks etc) are clearly in violation of the
>> GPL and can thus be ignored. Their support contract is proprietary,
>> but the software is not.
>
> Uhh, that's what I said, Bill.
itself as a commercial bundle'
>>
>>> includes a support contract - but of which the source code is
>>> freely accessible, and this source code may be modified and
>>> redistributed, under certain conditions specified in the license.
again ambiguous. In particular Redhat has tried very hard to claim that
you CANNOT resistribute it because of the existence of trademarks and
copyrighted graphics embedded in the code. It was those (contrary to the
GPL) items I assumed you were refereing to when you said 'under certain
conditions'.
>>> The BSD license
>>
>> No it can be redistributed under the GPL, and any parts of their
>> license which are more restrictive than the GPL are essentially null
>> and void.
>
> I did say that it's redistributable under the GPL, Bill...
something othr than simply the conditions that the GPL has.
>
Aragorn
> On 2013-06-20, Aragorn <thor...@telenet.be.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Thursday 20 June 2013 14:27, unruh conveyed the following to
>> comp.os.linux.misc...
>>
>>> On 2013-06-20, Aragorn <thor...@telenet.be.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> it in any way. Free Software is software which may or may not
>>>> be distributed commercially - e.g. RedHat EL is Free Software,
>>>> but it is only available from RedHat itself as a commercial
>>>> bundle, which
>
>>>
>>> No. Redhat ELsoftware is specifically released under GPL, and any
>>> further restrictions (eg restrictions which they have at times tried
>>> to impose related to trademarks etc) are clearly in violation of the
>>> GPL and can thus be ignored. Their support contract is proprietary,
>>> but the software is not.
>>
>> Uhh, that's what I said, Bill.
>
> ?? Sorry that was not how \i read 'It is only available from Redhat
> itself as a commercial bundle'
a commercial bundle, comprised of Free Software, possibly a few bits of
proprietary software and a limited support contract. There was a hyphen
separating that part about RedHat from the rest of my sentence. ;-)
That said, those who do actually want to use a RHEL without paying for
it and without the support contract can always download CentOS, which is
identical to RedHat (in terms of the software packages) except for the
branding, the omission of non-free software and of course the absence of
a support contract.
>>>> includes a support contract - but of which the source code is
>>>> freely accessible, and this source code may be modified and
>>>> redistributed, under certain conditions specified in the
>>>> license.
>
> 'Under certain condition specified under the licence' is again for me
> again ambiguous. In particular Redhat has tried very hard to claim
> that you CANNOT resistribute it because of the existence of trademarks
> and copyrighted graphics embedded in the code. It was those (contrary
> to the GPL) items I assumed you were refereing to when you said 'under
> certain conditions'.
in the GNU General Public License or any other Free Software License.
>>>> The BSD license
>>>
>>> No it can be redistributed under the GPL, and any parts of their
>>> license which are more restrictive than the GPL are essentially null
>>> and void.
>>
>> I did say that it's redistributable under the GPL, Bill...
>
> You also said 'under certain conditions' and I took those to refer to
> something othr than simply the conditions that the GPL has.
as that GPL'd code or derivatives thereof may not be redistributed under
a proprietary license.
unruh
the rights of the user, including proprietary software, trademarks, etc.
invalidates the permission to distribute the GPL material. Redhat does
use trademarks/proprietary software to attempt to limit theuserr's
rights to run and distribute the GPL software. That means that Redhat
has no right to distribute the software, (but anyone who gets it does
have the right to use and distrribute it).
The support contract is of course up to them, but the updates to the
software is also GPL and if it is distributed to anyone it must be
available (or can be made available) to all. Redhat has long tried hard
to skirt the legal edges of the GPL, spending most of their time outside
those edges.
>
>>>>> includes a support contract - but of which the source code is
>>>>> freely accessible, and this source code may be modified and
>>>>> redistributed, under certain conditions specified in the
>>>>> license.
>>
>> 'Under certain condition specified under the licence' is again for me
>> again ambiguous. In particular Redhat has tried very hard to claim
>> that you CANNOT resistribute it because of the existence of trademarks
>> and copyrighted graphics embedded in the code. It was those (contrary
>> to the GPL) items I assumed you were refereing to when you said 'under
>> certain conditions'.
>
> No, that was a general reference to the restrictions (if any) specified
> in the GNU General Public License or any other Free Software License.
>
>>>>> The BSD license
>>>>
>>>> No it can be redistributed under the GPL, and any parts of their
>>>> license which are more restrictive than the GPL are essentially null
>>>> and void.
>>>
>>> I did say that it's redistributable under the GPL, Bill...
>>
>> You also said 'under certain conditions' and I took those to refer to
>> something othr than simply the conditions that the GPL has.
>
> No, I was referencing the conditions stipulated in the GPL itself, such
> as that GPL'd code or derivatives thereof may not be redistributed under
> a proprietary license.
>
Robert Riches
> those edges.
If HatRed distributes GPL software to someone (let's call that
person party B), HatRed is under _NO_ obligation to distribute
said GPL software to anyone else. Neither is party B obligated
to redistribute said GPL software.
What the GPL requires is that HatRed cannot prohibit party B (who
received the software from HatRed) from redistributing it to
anyone else party B wishes to redistribute it to. I agree HatRed
has spent a great deal of their recent time outside the lines.
--
Robert Riches
spamt...@jacob21819.net
(Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)