Canon PowerShot A470
Kevin the Drummer
asked when it will work with Linux, and another person responded that it
should work already. But, nowhere can I find info that it actually does
work. It's not in the gPhoto2 list of supported cameras yet. Does
anyone know for sure if this camera works with Linux? If so, what
versions of kernel and/or gPhoto2 does it work with, if that's a useful
question.
Thanks much....
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> asked when it will work with Linux, and another person responded that it
> should work already. But, nowhere can I find info that it actually does
> work. It's not in the gPhoto2 list of supported cameras yet. Does
Hmmm... I looked at DigiKam, which also uses gphoto2 libs,and it's not
listed. Canon is kinda weird, as it requires a software interface for most
of its cameras. Since yours is not listed in a couple prominent linux apps,
you might just check and see if you can mount your camera as a USB storage
device, like a USB flash drive. With some cameras, you can. Then, you
could just manually dwnld the jpg files.
nb
Bob Tennent
> Searching for info on the Canon PowerShot A470 camera I found one person
> asked when it will work with Linux, and another person responded that it
> should work already. But, nowhere can I find info that it actually does
> work. It's not in the gPhoto2 list of supported cameras yet. Does
> anyone know for sure if this camera works with Linux?
I suggest following up the following thread:
http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?
msg_id=b29654620804032134q55b0e0e3g4f44fc1c95bfc55b%40mail.gmail.com
Contact the person who was apparently unable to get it to work and see
whether he managed to get it working. With PTP cameras, I've found that
accessing it as root is sometimes the only way because of the way some
distributions set up udev rules.
Bob T.
Kevin the Drummer
Yes, with my Olympus camera I transfer files over USB, and that works
just fine.
My wife wants to buy a Canon PowerShot A470, and I want to make sure it
works with Linux *before* we buy it. So, I can't really check to see if
it shows up on USB or not. I'm hoping that someone out there has one
and can tell me that it works fine, or doesn't work.
Thanks.....
ray
> Searching for info on the Canon PowerShot A470 camera I found one person
> asked when it will work with Linux, and another person responded that it
> should work already. But, nowhere can I find info that it actually does
> work. It's not in the gPhoto2 list of supported cameras yet. Does
> anyone know for sure if this camera works with Linux? If so, what
> versions of kernel and/or gPhoto2 does it work with, if that's a useful
> question.
>
> Thanks much....
1) Canon is legendary for their LACK of Linux support. For that reason, I
eschew everything Canon.
2) most recent cameras appear as mass storage devices when plugged into a
USB port with any modern Linux. It should work fine.
3) if it does not all you need is an inexpensive USB card reader - see
crucial.com for examples. I recommend getting one anyway - it frees up the
camera so you don't run the batteries down transferring images, and they
are faster - particularly if the camera is only USB 1.1.
Bob Tennent
On 1 May 2008 18:51:10 GMT, ray wrote:
> On Thu, 01 May 2008 15:08:14 +0000, Kevin the Drummer wrote:
>
>> Searching for info on the Canon PowerShot A470 camera I found one person
>> asked when it will work with Linux, and another person responded that it
>> should work already. But, nowhere can I find info that it actually does
>> work. It's not in the gPhoto2 list of supported cameras yet. Does
>> anyone know for sure if this camera works with Linux? If so, what
>> versions of kernel and/or gPhoto2 does it work with, if that's a useful
>> question.
>
> eschew everything Canon.
>
> 2) most recent cameras appear as mass storage devices when plugged into a
> USB port with any modern Linux. It should work fine.
Look at the list of Canon PowerShot cameras currently supported by
gphoto:
http://www.gphoto.org/proj/libgphoto2/support.php
Canon's lack of support isn't relevant. Although the A470 isn't on the
list, this is almost certainly because the developers haven't been able
to test it yet. I would say the chances that gphoto won't support the
A470 very soon if not immediately are vanishingly small.
Bob T.
General Schvantzkopf
> notbob <not...@nothome.com> wrote:
>> On 2008-05-01, Kevin the Drummer <nob...@tek.com> wrote:
>>
>> > asked when it will work with Linux, and another person responded that
>> > it should work already. But, nowhere can I find info that it
>> > actually does work. It's not in the gPhoto2 list of supported
>> > cameras yet. Does
>>
>> Hmmm... I looked at DigiKam, which also uses gphoto2 libs,and it's not
>> listed. Canon is kinda weird, as it requires a software interface for
>> most of its cameras. Since yours is not listed in a couple prominent
>> linux apps, you might just check and see if you can mount your camera
>> as a USB storage device, like a USB flash drive. With some cameras,
>> you can. Then, you could just manually dwnld the jpg files.
>
> Yes, with my Olympus camera I transfer files over USB, and that works
> just fine.
>
> My wife wants to buy a Canon PowerShot A470, and I want to make sure it
> works with Linux *before* we buy it. So, I can't really check to see if
> it shows up on USB or not. I'm hoping that someone out there has one
> and can tell me that it works fine, or doesn't work.
>
> Thanks.....
My Canon Powershot SD500 works with gphoto but I stopped using gphoto
because it wasn't stable. I just plug the SD card into my SD card reader,
it's much faster and it's completely stable. I wouldn't worry about
compatibility, just get the camera you want. Cameras all use either SD or
Compact FLASH cards which are standard and are fully supported. The USB
cable on my Canon is behind a crappy rubber door that is held on by a
tiny band. If I were to use it on any sort of regular basis that band
would break, popping out the SD card is much more reliable so I would do
it that way even if the USB connection on the Powershot were as fast as
my SD card reader.
Ignoramus3962
> My Canon Powershot SD500 works with gphoto but I stopped using gphoto
> because it wasn't stable. I just plug the SD card into my SD card reader,
I use gphotofs with my Nikon Coolpix, and it works great. I use my own
scripts to quickly download and edit photographs with xv.
i
> it's much faster and it's completely stable. I wouldn't worry about
> compatibility, just get the camera you want. Cameras all use either SD or
> Compact FLASH cards which are standard and are fully supported. The USB
> cable on my Canon is behind a crappy rubber door that is held on by a
> tiny band. If I were to use it on any sort of regular basis that band
> would break, popping out the SD card is much more reliable so I would do
> it that way even if the USB connection on the Powershot were as fast as
> my SD card reader.
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> On 2008-05-01, General Schvantzkopf <schvan...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> My Canon Powershot SD500 works with gphoto but I stopped using gphoto
>> because it wasn't stable. I just plug the SD card into my SD card
>> reader,
>
>
> I use gphotofs with my Nikon Coolpix, and it works great. I use my own
> scripts to quickly download and edit photographs with xv.
>
> i
It's been a long time since I've used gphoto, probably Fedora Core 6, it
could even have been Fedora Core 5. At the time gphoto could crash my
system, it's the only thing that I've ever seen that could cause a kernel
crash. However it's been so long since I've used it that I'm sure the
fatal bugs have been fixed by now. Even so I find card readers so
convenient that I haven't been tempted to try gphoto again.
Ignoramus3962
It works OK for me. I find it more convenient not to take the card out
of the camera.
Shadow_7
extracting the card and using a card reader. I generally used the card
reader, since using the tether drains like 90x's more battery power than
just taking pictures.
And my A75 no longer works and has always been a PITA. Left it in the car
overnight, tried using it while still slightly chilled and the zoom
stopped working. A few months later and the zoom would work sometimes.
Oddly enough when I was traveling and in a bigger metropolis the zoom
worked. But if I formatted the CF card, it'd stop working. And now about
three years later something else is whacky on it. It'll take pictures, but
for some reason all that the camera part sees anymore is sort of a black
screen with lots of random static. Banged it around some and got it to
take actual pictures for a bit, but now nothing but static. Complete junk,
worthless IMO.
I now have a Sony Cybershot, and love it. Came with a special rechargeable
battery that lasts forever. Got a $59 2GB memory stick for it, which you
pretty much have too. Since with it's onboard 54MB of memory, you can
only take about 15 pictures per download. But with 2GB of space, I can
even take movies (25 fps) with audio. Connects via usb-storage, but you
have to select that mode from the cameras menu. Not saying that it's the
worlds greatest camera, just noticeably better than any canon I've owned.
I also owned a Canon printer (MPC-5000), and it's linux status is
PAPERWEIGHT. Canon didn't even bother making Windows XP or better
drivers for it.
Kevin the Drummer
I followed up with the original poster of that mailing list thread.
He said that the camera worked fine after he rebooted his Ubuntu 7.10
system, and that it's still working now that he's on Ubuntu 8.
Cheers....
Ignoramus23760
It works with Linux, however, I am livid that when connected via USB,
the camera does not use USB supplied power and instead drains the
battery.
What the FUCK.
Why can't they do the most fscking basic things right?
I have yet to see ONE consumer device where power management would be
"done right".
(not Linux fault, obviously)
i
On 2008-05-02, Kevin the Drummer <nob...@tek.com> wrote:
> Bob Tennent <Bo...@cs.queensu.ca> wrote:
>> On 01 May 2008 15:08:14 GMT, Kevin the Drummer wrote:
>> > Searching for info on the Canon PowerShot A470 camera I found one person
>> > asked when it will work with Linux, and another person responded that it
>> > should work already. But, nowhere can I find info that it actually does
>> > work. It's not in the gPhoto2 list of supported cameras yet. Does
>> > anyone know for sure if this camera works with Linux?
>>
>> I suggest following up the following thread:
>>
>> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?
>> msg_id=b29654620804032134q55b0e0e3g4f44fc1c95bfc55b%40mail.gmail.com
>>
>> Contact the person who was apparently unable to get it to work and see
>> whether he managed to get it working. With PTP cameras, I've found that
>> accessing it as root is sometimes the only way because of the way some
>> distributions set up udev rules.
>
> I followed up with the original poster of that mailing list thread.
> He said that the camera worked fine after he rebooted his Ubuntu 7.10
> system, and that it's still working now that he's on Ubuntu 8.
>
> Cheers....
>
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Ignoramus23760 <ignoram...@NOSPAM.23760.invalid> writes:
>I bought a Nikon Coolpix P5100 a few days ago.
>
>It works with Linux, however, I am livid that when connected via USB,
>the camera does not use USB supplied power and instead drains the
>battery.
>
>What the FUCK.
>
>Why can't they do the most fscking basic things right?
>
>I have yet to see ONE consumer device where power management would be
>"done right".
USB can only supply 0.5 amp. That probably isn't enough to
run the camera.
I had the same problem/quirk with an old Sony.
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Ignoramus23760
> In article <XJWdnSzbAe2HrYbV...@giganews.com>,
> Ignoramus23760 <ignoram...@NOSPAM.23760.invalid> writes:
>>I bought a Nikon Coolpix P5100 a few days ago.
>>
>>It works with Linux, however, I am livid that when connected via USB,
>>the camera does not use USB supplied power and instead drains the
>>battery.
>>
>>What the FUCK.
>>
>>Why can't they do the most fscking basic things right?
>>
>>I have yet to see ONE consumer device where power management would be
>>"done right".
>
> USB can only supply 0.5 amp. That probably isn't enough to
> run the camera.
>
> I had the same problem/quirk with an old Sony.
>
Yes, but...
How much power does it need to be a file server???
Hal Murray
>> USB can only supply 0.5 amp. That probably isn't enough to
>> run the camera.
>>
>> I had the same problem/quirk with an old Sony.
>>
>
>Yes, but...
>
>How much power does it need to be a file server???
I'm sure you can run a file server off USB, but the
camera designers probably decided it wasn't worth it.
I forgot to mention on my first post... You can get 0.5 amp
from USB, but you only get 0.1 amp until you have talked
to the host and gotten permission to use more.
Another consideration: USB is 5V. The camera probably wants
3.3V. So you either have to use the power supply setup that
you already have for the battery and that may not work at 5V
or you have to add another power supply which is expensive
and takes space.
Tweetie Pooh
news:slrng1jn8j...@lwe128481.central.tektronix.net:
> Searching for info on the Canon PowerShot A470 camera I found one person
> asked when it will work with Linux, and another person responded that it
> should work already. But, nowhere can I find info that it actually does
> work. It's not in the gPhoto2 list of supported cameras yet. Does
> anyone know for sure if this camera works with Linux? If so, what
> versions of kernel and/or gPhoto2 does it work with, if that's a useful
> question.
>
> Thanks much....
>
Both my wife's A510 and my 40D work. The 40D as a PTP and the A510 are
either plain USB or PTP. I tend to just use my card reader for the A510
but plug the 40D in on USB. Sometimes Linux reports it can't see the 40D
but click retry a few times and it works.
Kevin the Drummer
> nob...@tek.com (Kevin the Drummer) wrote in
> news:slrng1jn8j...@lwe128481.central.tektronix.net:
>
> > Searching for info on the Canon PowerShot A470 camera I found one person
> > asked when it will work with Linux, and another person responded that it
> > should work already. But, nowhere can I find info that it actually does
> > work. It's not in the gPhoto2 list of supported cameras yet. Does
> > anyone know for sure if this camera works with Linux? If so, what
> > versions of kernel and/or gPhoto2 does it work with, if that's a useful
> > question.
>
> either plain USB or PTP. I tend to just use my card reader for the A510
> but plug the 40D in on USB. Sometimes Linux reports it can't see the 40D
> but click retry a few times and it works.
What's "PTP"?
Thanks....
Wolfgang Draxinger
> What's "PTP"?
Picture Transfer Protocol
This protocol also allows (if the camera supports it), to remote
control the camera over USB. This is e.g. usefull if you want to
setup a high resolution webcam, taking a picture every 10s or
so.
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Kevin the Drummer staggered into the Black Sun and said:
> Tweetie Pooh wrote:
>> (Kevin the Drummer) wrote in
>>> person asked when it will work with Linux
>> are either plain USB or PTP. I tend to just use my card reader for
>> the A510 but plug the 40D in on USB.
I believe it stands for "Picture Transport Protocol". The camera
manufacturers decided that cameras acting as Mass Storage Devices wasn't
enough, because there's no way to convey the message "take a picture
now" or "change aperture and shutter speed" using that protocol. So
they invented a new protocol, with hundreds of variants depending on
camera model and how much crack the firmware developers were smoking
that day. While it works for many cameras, the thing that always works
is as another poster has said: Get a card reader and use it on the
camera's memory card.
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Ignoramus8788
> Kevin the Drummer wrote:
>
>> What's "PTP"?
>
> Picture Transfer Protocol
>
> This protocol also allows (if the camera supports it), to remote
> control the camera over USB. This is e.g. usefull if you want to
> setup a high resolution webcam, taking a picture every 10s or
> so.
>
This is very interesting. This can change the way I take pictures for
ebay. I could use the camera to point at the item and type a shell
command (a 1-2 character alias) to take a picture now. Could make me a
more productive seller.
Kevin the Drummer
running Mandriva 2007.0. digiKam found a camera, but couldn't operate
it. 'lsusb' produced this
Bus 004 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
Bus 001 Device 007: ID 04a9:317a Canon, Inc.
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
I never did get it to work.
I tried the new camera on an HP laptop running Mandriva 2008.1 (aka
Mandriva 2008 Spring). digiKam again found the camera, but this time
everything works fine. It looks like a modern version of the operating
system combined with a modern version of digiKam is fine. I'm not sure
how modern the Linux software needs to be.
FYI.....
Aragorn
> For what it's worth, I tried our new camera on our desktop computer
> running Mandriva 2007.0. digiKam found a camera, but couldn't operate
> it. 'lsusb' produced this
>
> Bus 004 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
> Bus 001 Device 007: ID 04a9:317a Canon, Inc.
> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
> Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
>
> I never did get it to work.
>
> I tried the new camera on an HP laptop running Mandriva 2008.1 (aka
> Mandriva 2008 Spring). digiKam again found the camera, but this time
> everything works fine. It looks like a modern version of the operating
> system combined with a modern version of digiKam is fine. I'm not sure
> how modern the Linux software needs to be.
Only the kernel matters when it comes to hardware recognition. Obviously
the 2.6.24 kernel in Mandriva 2008.1 can export enough information about
the device to /sysfs,/ whereas the older 2007.0 kernel - 2.6.18? -
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ray
> For what it's worth, I tried our new camera on our desktop computer
> running Mandriva 2007.0. digiKam found a camera, but couldn't operate
> it. 'lsusb' produced this
>
> Bus 004 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
> Bus 001 Device 007: ID 04a9:317a Canon, Inc. Bus 001 Device 001: ID
> 0000:0000
> Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
>
> I never did get it to work.
>
> I tried the new camera on an HP laptop running Mandriva 2008.1 (aka
> Mandriva 2008 Spring). digiKam again found the camera, but this time
> everything works fine. It looks like a modern version of the operating
> system combined with a modern version of digiKam is fine. I'm not sure
> how modern the Linux software needs to be.
>
> FYI.....
canon is unusually Linux hostile. IMHO you'd be much better off with a USB
card reader.
Baron
Yes I agree ! My Polaroid is seen and does behave like a usb memory
stick, but its far easier to just pop out the memory card and stuff it
into the card reader slot. Plus I can put stuff onto the card and use
it like any other memory storage.
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General Schvantzkopf
Canon's lack of Linux friendliness is irrelevant here because they are
using PTP which is an open standard which Linux fully supports. I agree
that using a SD card reader is a better way to go, but not because PTP
doesn't work. An SD card reader is faster and more convenient because you
don't need to keep a special purpose cable hanging around.
Kevin the Drummer
> ray wrote:
> > canon is unusually Linux hostile. IMHO you'd be much better off with a
> > USB card reader.
>
> Yes I agree ! My Polaroid is seen and does behave like a usb memory
> stick, but its far easier to just pop out the memory card and stuff it
> into the card reader slot. Plus I can put stuff onto the card and use
> it like any other memory storage.
I didn't know of the card reader option until a couple weeks ago from
this newsgroup. Since the camera is working now, I can't see spending
any more money. But, I'll remember the card reader solution.
Thanks all.....
Kevin the Drummer
> Canon's lack of Linux friendliness is irrelevant here because they are
> using PTP which is an open standard which Linux fully supports. I agree
> that using a SD card reader is a better way to go, but not because PTP
> doesn't work. An SD card reader is faster and more convenient because you
> don't need to keep a special purpose cable hanging around.
Do they have readers that install in floppy drive bays, or something
like that? How else do they get around needing a cable?
Thanks....
General Schvantzkopf
> General Schvantzkopf <schvan...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Canon's lack of Linux friendliness is irrelevant here because they are
>> using PTP which is an open standard which Linux fully supports. I agree
>> that using a SD card reader is a better way to go, but not because PTP
>> doesn't work. An SD card reader is faster and more convenient because
>> you don't need to keep a special purpose cable hanging around.
>
> Do they have readers that install in floppy drive bays, or something
> like that? How else do they get around needing a cable?
>
> Thanks....
Yes they do. There are multistandard readers that handle SD, Compact
FLASH, a couple of other card standards plus they add a couple of USB
connectors. They fit into a floppy bay and they connect to an internal
USB connection. Just look up Flash Readers on Newegg, check the reviews
for Linux compatibility (most are). They cost around $10.
Baron
> General Schvantzkopf <schvan...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Canon's lack of Linux friendliness is irrelevant here because they
>> are using PTP which is an open standard which Linux fully supports. I
>> agree that using a SD card reader is a better way to go, but not
>> because PTP doesn't work. An SD card reader is faster and more
>> convenient because you don't need to keep a special purpose cable
>> hanging around.
>
> Do they have readers that install in floppy drive bays, or something
> like that? How else do they get around needing a cable?
>
> Thanks....
Yes ! My machine has one as does my laptop.
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