NEC monitor

[notbob]

I need a new monitor, my last CRT be a'dying. I will cave and buy a
new LCD. My question is, how are the NEC LCD monitors. I know that
the older NEC CRT monitors were "brighter" than other monitors. As a
geezer with marginal eyesight, this is important. Does that still
apply to NEC LCD monitors? I'll probably be going min 20" or larger.
I use Slackware. Don't see any compatibility issues. Should I? Any
other suggested choices welcome. Thank you and Merry Christmas. ;)

nb

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[The Natural Philosopher]

I have found samsung syncmasters to be very good value for money.


Not the greatest viewing angle, but unless you are all round watching
internet porn who cares.

[TJ]

At 62, by some folks' reckoning I qualify for geezerhood, and while it's
still pretty good my eyesight isn't what it was 30 years ago, either.

I bought a refurbished 23-inch Samsung LCD about seven months ago. I was
using Mandriva 2010.2 back then, Mageia 1 now. The default out-of-the
box brightness setting was WAY too high, much brighter than my old NEC
XE21 CRT. I had to cut it about in half.

This is the only LCD I've used, so I can't compare it to any others.
However, I think a Samsung would have all the brightness you require. I
know I'm happy with mine, and another refurbished Samsung, this one a
20-incher, is due to arrive here for my brother's computer Tuesday.

TJ

[J G Miller]

On Saturday, December 24th, 2011, at 21:36:17h +0000, Not BoB wrote:

> I need a new monitor, my last CRT be a'dying.

To get a good comparison of many monitor models (but not all)
have a look at reviews at

<http://www.lesnumeriques.COM/moniteur-ecran-lcd/guide-achat-meilleurs-moniteurs-ecrans-lcd-a899.html>

including side by side comparisons of monitor images.

[-rw-------]

IMHO there is no advantage whatsoever in skimping on monitor which will be
with you for many years to come.
May I suggest:
1) Prefer an IPS panel wrt a TFT one. More expensive but quality is on
another planet
2) Nothing smaller than 24", 1920x1200 resolution, makes sense.
Remember than a 20" crt 4/3 is tall approximately like a current 24" 16/10
display, so it's not easy to compare the two surfaces.
3) Most monitors have max resolution of 1080p. This translates to fairly
cheap tft panel which belongs to a tv set rather than a computer display.
Avoid that models if you aim at a quality display.
4) Best colours are not (yet) a characteristic of led monitors.
5)Most popular displays pump up default luminosity at such levels you need
shades to read.


For brands, NEC and Dell Ultrasharp line are excellent choices.

About display card. For linux prefer nvidia and proprietary drivers, which
allow you to change contrast, luminosity, and anything else at your will.
Use only native panel resolution.
Do not use cheap dvi or vga cables.

[General Schvantzkoph]

On Sat, 24 Dec 2011 21:36:17 +0000, notbob wrote:

Get a 24" Monitor, it will be easier on your eyes and they are cheap. All
monitors are compatible but HDMI connections do the best job of auto-
configuring. Monitors all come with multiple connector types on them, at
the very least they will have DVI and D-Sub but most modern monitors have
HDMI also. All relatively modern graphics cards have DVI, new cards
usually have HDMI also (look at the connectors on your card to see what's
supported). If you buy a new card then make sure you get one that supports
both DVI and HDMI. LED back lighting is also a feature you want.

Check Newegg for reviews and for specials, today's special is 24" ASUS for
$190 ($30 bucks off). Don't know if adjust-ability is important to you, if
so then Dell's have really good height adjustments. If you want to attach
to an arm then make sure that you get one that has VESA mounting support.

[TJ]

Forgot to mention - my LCD came from Overstock.com. If you don't mind
the idea of a refurb, that's a good place to look. Big selection,
low-cost shipping.

Refurb reliability is very close to that of new, if not even a bit
better in some cases. While often last year's models, going refurb is a
good way to get better features at a lower price.

TJ

[philo]

On 12/24/2011 04:44 PM, TJ wrote:
> On 12/24/2011 04:36 PM, notbob wrote:
>> I need a new monitor, my last CRT be a'dying. I will cave and buy a
>> new LCD. My question is, how are the NEC LCD monitors. I know that
>> the older NEC CRT monitors were "brighter" than other monitors. As a
>> geezer with marginal eyesight, this is important. Does that still
>> apply to NEC LCD monitors? I'll probably be going min 20" or larger.
>> I use Slackware. Don't see any compatibility issues. Should I? Any
>> other suggested choices welcome. Thank you and Merry Christmas. ;)
>>
>> nb
>>
> At 62, by some folks' reckoning I qualify for geezerhood, and while it's
> still pretty good my eyesight isn't what it was 30 years ago, either.
>

<snip>

I am also 62 and a few years ago I was in the middle of a project and my
15" screen was not cutting it.

I was so frustrated I just went on line and ordered the first cheap
monitor I could find...I did no research at all and got a 22" KDS for
about $200.

Works absolutely fine.

I have two machines that use the monitor via a KVM switch and noticed
that the video on my Linux installation was considerably crisper than my
XP install.

Turned out that Linux probed the monitor at 1680x1050
which is actually *greater* than the monitor's native resolution.
I later changed my XP install to the same and noticed an improvement.

I was not sure if going over the native resolution would hurt anything
but I guess not, as I have been running things this way for over two years.


Now , as to being 62.

I was at a Christmas party last night and one of the first things
someone asked me was "Are you retired?"

The answer is "NO"


sheesh

[Dan Espen]

Strange. An LCD monitor only has one resolution.
Yep. If this is your monitor:

http://www.kdsusa.com/k22mdwb.asp

1680x1050 is the right and only resolution.

> Now , as to being 62.
>
> I was at a Christmas party last night and one of the first things
> someone asked me was "Are you retired?"
>
> The answer is "NO"

66. Expect to work at least to age 70.
Full time from home and summers off isn't that hard after all.

--
Dan Espen

[notbob]

On 2011-12-25, Dan Espen <des...@verizon.net> wrote:

> Strange. An LCD monitor only has one resolution.
> Yep. If this is your monitor:
>
> http://www.kdsusa.com/k22mdwb.asp
>
> 1680x1050 is the right and only resolution.

I wasn't aware of that. Can the viewed resolution be changed? I
can't see those high resolutions. Currently, I'm at 1024x768 and am
constantly having to zoom web pages. I used to use 800x600 on 17"
CRTs, but this CRT is a 19".

nb

--
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year

[philo]

On 12/25/2011 09:00 AM, Dan Espen wrote:
> philo<ph...@invalid.not> writes:
>
>> On 12/24/2011 04:44 PM, TJ wrote:
>>> On 12/24/2011 04:36 PM, notbob wrote:
>>>> I need a new monitor, my last CRT be a'dying. I will cave and buy a
>>>> new LCD. My question is, how are the NEC LCD monitors. I know that
>>>> the older NEC CRT monitors were "brighter" than other monitors. As a
>>>> geezer with marginal eyesight, this is important. Does that still
>>>> apply to NEC LCD monitors? I'll probably be going min 20" or larger.
>>>> I use Slackware. Don't see any compatibility issues. Should I? Any
>>>> other suggested choices welcome. Thank you and Merry Christmas. ;)
>>>>
>>>> nb
>>>>
>>> At 62, by some folks' reckoning I qualify for geezerhood, and while it's
>>> still pretty good my eyesight isn't what it was 30 years ago, either.
>>>
>>

<snip>

> Strange. An LCD monitor only has one resolution.
> Yep. If this is your monitor:
>
> http://www.kdsusa.com/k22mdwb.asp
>
> 1680x1050 is the right and only resolution.

Aha! So it's right on the money and from Linux it was set correctly
then. XP , by default had it set to 1440 x900 and I guess I assumed that
was the native resolution. Thanks for the correction

>
>> Now , as to being 62.
>>
>> I was at a Christmas party last night and one of the first things
>> someone asked me was "Are you retired?"
>>
>> The answer is "NO"
>
> 66. Expect to work at least to age 70.
> Full time from home and summers off isn't that hard after all.
>

I plan to keep my full time job until I'm 65 or 66...
but hardly expect to quit working.
I do a lot of volunteer work and will increase that
plus I have more personal projects to complete than I can count.
Hopefully I'll still be at work until I'm 99 years old

[Dan Espen]

You can make an LCD pretend to be at other resolutions but unless it's
an even multiple the result won't be good.

A 1680x1050 can do a reasonable 840x525 by just showing each pixel 4
times. Other numbers introduce rounding errors and text won't look
good.

I think you might be able to mess with the DPI settings to get
better results.

I sometimes need to use VNC for a windows system with a smaller
resolution. I execute this command to magnify the window:

xrandr -s 1024x768

back to native mode is:

xrandr -s 1600x1200

--
Dan Espen

[TJ]

You can set it lower than native and it'll work, but like philo said
about his, it won't look as "crisp." On the plus side though, with a
wide screen you'll have fewer pages that you can only view with
horizontal scrolling.

TJ

[Bill Waddington]

Here's a vote for Acer from another 62-year-old. I've had Samsung
monitors that were nice too, but lately I've been buying Acer 22"
units. Usually have to turn the brightness down.

Happy holidays,
Bill
--
William D Waddington
william.w...@beezmo.com
"Even bugs...are unexpected signposts on
the long road of creativity..." - Ken Burtch

[The Natural Philosopher]

ther is a way in Windows to essentially 'make everything bigger' at the
software level rather than hardware.

I think you change DPI rather than screen resolution and everything
appears ..bigger - but the LCD is still running at native resolution..

[david]

On Sat, 24 Dec 2011 21:36:17 +0000, notbob rearranged some electrons to
say:

Staples had a special a month ago or so on 20" HP S2031 monitors for $89
each. I bought two and retired both CRTs.

[anotherpaul]

If using firefox, get the Nosquint plugin/extension from the mozilla
website. It defaults to 120% but can be set to any increase from 120%
to very much higher, perhaps 200%; can also set the preferred zoom
for any particular website. Nosquint also can just zoom the text
only instead of the webpage.

A boon for my eyesight! Separate versions available for windows &
linux. Doesn't work for the desktop where one has to adjust it via
kde's config or gnome's comparable method.

The kde people did away the ability to adjust the default font size
beginning with what came with suse 11.3. It worked like the stupid
apple crap with no system font adjustments allowed, at least since
2004. At least with the opensuse 12.1, the kde version had increased
the system font size to quite readable on a 22" monitor.

[The Natural Philosopher]

anotherpaul wrote:
> On 2011-12-25, The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> notbob wrote:
>>> On 2011-12-25, Dan Espen <des...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Strange. An LCD monitor only has one resolution.
>>>> Yep. If this is your monitor:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.kdsusa.com/k22mdwb.asp
>>>>
>>>> 1680x1050 is the right and only resolution.
>>> I wasn't aware of that. Can the viewed resolution be changed? I
>>> can't see those high resolutions. Currently, I'm at 1024x768 and am
>>> constantly having to zoom web pages. I used to use 800x600 on 17"
>>> CRTs, but this CRT is a 19".
>>>
>>> nb
>>>
>> ther is a way in Windows to essentially 'make everything bigger' at the
>> software level rather than hardware.
>>
>> I think you change DPI rather than screen resolution and everything
>> appears ..bigger - but the LCD is still running at native resolution..
>
> If using firefox, get the Nosquint plugin/extension from the mozilla
> website. It defaults to 120% but can be set to any increase from 120%
> to very much higher, perhaps 200%; can also set the preferred zoom
> for any particular website. Nosquint also can just zoom the text
> only instead of the webpage.
>

Firefox will zoom the whole shebang with no plugin needed..Crtl + does
it usually


Most programs have zoom capability.

The desktop and screen generally will zoom with the DPI setting on the
screen advanced general settings..


There is no reason NOT to set the LCD to native: do that then tweak
everything else top taste.

[anotherpaul]

The zoom isn't fine enough as the zoom is done at a preset value; even
Firefox has the ctrl + which doesn't do a decent job all the time.
Safari & Chrome also have the ctrl + & still doesn't do what I want
& just changing font sizes get overlaps & disappearing text at some
sites.

Well, to each their own preferences; I prefer the tighter control I
have with Nosquint.

>
>
> Most programs have zoom capability.
>
> The desktop and screen generally will zoom with the DPI setting on the
> screen advanced general settings..

Have done that & it isn't adquate enough for me.
The choice is in the user's domain & how bad is the eyesight.

[Bit Twister]

On Sun, 25 Dec 2011 21:41:47 +0000 (UTC), anotherpaul wrote:
>
> If using firefox, get the Nosquint plugin/extension from the mozilla
> website.

I had no need for a plugin. I looked around in settings and under
Preferences->Content Advanced button, I found I could set the minimum font size.

[anotherpaul]

My standard procedure for any browser that I try. Don't think
I missed too many ways of changing the font sizing. I was even
bitching about win7 until I found that the method of changing the
system font was changed from winxp & references to it were hidden.

Still doing the min font size even when using nosquint. Then the
minimum font sizing don't work on a Mac & not all what a browser
displays is controlled by the font size in the browser. e.g. the
menu toolbar is controlled by the system font & can't be changed
by the browser.

At least in windows, there is a way to change fonts & sizes for
different parts of the panels & a separate font/sizing for the
desktop icons. Apple wants the user to do things the Apple
way in lowering the resolution of a hi-rez monitor to see larger
fonts.

[TJ]

With KDE 4.x in Mandrivas before 2011 and Mageia, KDE system fonts and
sizes can be changed via System Settings. The same may be true of
Mandriva 2011 - I haven't tried it.

I use the Theme Font and Size Changer extension with Firefox and
Thunderbird to change menu and dialog box fonts. For display fonts I
usually just use Ctrl+ to temporarily magnify the whole thing, because I
usually want the graphics bigger in that case, too.

TJ

[ray]

You should have no issues. Find one you like at a decent price and get
it. If you buy locally, you should be able to have them demo it for you.

[Jerry Peters]

Ctrl mousewheel has finer gradations than C+/C-. I normally use it in
preference to the C+/- variants.

Another useful hint: View -> Page Style -> No Style will eliminate
colors, especially useful on pages where there's a fg/bg combination
that's difficult to read.

Jerry