The Multi-Billion dollar market opportunity created by Ubuntu on mobiles

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The Multi-Billion dollar market opportunity created by Ubuntu on mobiles
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Ubuntu is going mobile with a consistent platform that runs on desktop
computers, tablets and mobiles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpWHJDLsqTU
http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone

What this will do is create an ultra-massive opportunity as big as
what Google has done with Android in creating another mobile phone,
tablet and desktop PC revolution with greater market share for every player
because the market itself will be much bigger all those before it.

For the unwary, the biggest obstacle is going to be the prevalence
of NDA riddled chips pressed into service slowing down the uptake of
technology because any factory that signs up for an NDA'd chip will be
unable to get its engineers go on line and do that natural thing and talk
about their chips and try to get software ported over to it, because they
will be violating the NDA.

So the opportunity is not for the dumb that accept NDAs as necessary
and go sign such documents to get their NDA riddled chips.

The opportunity is for chip companies that throw away their NDAs,
and for those companies that commission their own NDA free SoCs that
allow Ubuntu to be built for it at fastest possible pace,
and allow all the open source engineers to absorb all that information
by producing creative commons licensed documentation so that engineers
can disseminate that information as quickly as possible and integrate
it into all their documentation and pass around all the relevant information
as quickly as possible to create products and billion dollar markets
overnight.

To make a new SoC that can run Ubuntu costs about $1m to $2m these days.
You may instead buy out a 30 man SoC developer team and that could
the basis for your company to print money by making Linux compatible
chips that can run Ubuntu.

Google is already an example how this system could work and Ubuntu
is the next example, and all happening at a much faster pace for all those
who can see the opportunities and the road blocks and drive around
it as quickly as possible.

[flatfish+++]

On Fri, 04 Jan 2013 22:36:09 +0000, 7 wrote:

> The Multi-Billion dollar market opportunity created by Ubuntu on mobiles
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Ubuntu is going mobile with a consistent platform that runs on desktop
> computers, tablets and mobiles.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpWHJDLsqTU
> http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone

Let's see how many customers they get.
The market is already turning into a 2 horse race with the 3rd horse,
Windows phone lagging.
Apple and Android have staked their ground.
Can Ubuntu overcome this?
Time will tell.

P.S. Why are you spamming this all over the place?
Groups left in tact for future trimming.



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[The Real Doctor]

On 04/01/13 23:16, flatfish+++ wrote:
> The market is already turning into a 2 horse race with the 3rd horse,
> Windows phone lagging.

One horse, really. IOS has only 15% of the market and falling fast. In a
year or two it will be as much as a niche as the old MacOS macs were.

Ian

[Ezekiel]

"The Real Doctor" <ian.g...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:kc7obm$2bn$3...@dont-email.me...

Good point - and Buick has way, way more marketshare than Porsche.

Those pesky little things like "profit" don't actually matter to companies.

http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2012/12/11/smartphone-profit-share-apple-samsung/

[flatfish+++]

Like I said, profit is a dirty word in the Linux community.

[David Brown]

That's numbers for 2011, when Apple still had a decent share of the
phone market. It will be different now.

However, Apple still has about twice the market share of Android in pads
(with Windows trailing far behind).

[The Real Doctor]

On 05/01/13 01:26, David Brown wrote:
> However, Apple still has about twice the market share of Android in pads
> (with Windows trailing far behind).

Serious Android tablets have really only been around for a year or
eighteen months. It took a few years for Android to slaughter iOS in the
smartphone market; it will take a few years for Android to slaughter iOS
in the tablet market.

Ian

[David Brown]

That may well be true. However, experience shows that common sense,
logic, value for money, product quality, etc., all play surprisingly
small roles in these things. So while I expect you will probably be
right, I wouldn't put any money on it!

[Ezekiel]

"David Brown" <david...@removethis.hesbynett.no> wrote in message
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> On 05/01/13 00:30, Ezekiel wrote:
>> "The Real Doctor" <ian.g...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
>> news:kc7obm$2bn$3...@dont-email.me...
>>> On 04/01/13 23:16, flatfish+++ wrote:
>>>> The market is already turning into a 2 horse race with the 3rd horse,
>>>> Windows phone lagging.
>>>
>>> One horse, really. IOS has only 15% of the market and falling fast. In a
>>> year or two it will be as much as a niche as the old MacOS macs were.
>>>
>>
>> Good point - and Buick has way, way more marketshare than Porsche.
>>
>> Those pesky little things like "profit" don't actually matter to
>> companies.
>>
>>
>> http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2012/12/11/smartphone-profit-share-apple-samsung/
>>
>>
>
> That's numbers for 2011, when Apple still had a decent share of the phone
> market. It will be different now.
>

Yes, and No. The date of the article is Dec 11, 2012 (look at the URL). The
pie-chart is labled 2011 but if you read the text underneath it says:

"Top 8 smartphone OEMs. 2012 profit pool is 70% Apple and 30% Samsung. All
others losing money. Source: Citi"

[JEDIDIAH]

"Cheap crap for less".

Android is portrayed like this although it's not really true. I
suspect that this idea will help Android adoption if nothing else.
All of the sneering that Apple does at alternatives will actually
encourage people to give Android devices a serious look.

My own iFan defection story started with a cheap 7" Android
tablet bought because it was cheap enough to pass the "what the
hell" test.

A cheap product gets Android's foot in the door and helps
undermine the interest in Apple products.

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for it.

[The Real Doctor]

On 05/01/13 12:30, David Brown wrote:
> That may well be true. However, experience shows that common sense,
> logic, value for money, product quality, etc., all play surprisingly
> small roles in these things. So while I expect you will probably be
> right, I wouldn't put any money on it!

I'd put a bet on it, but not a large one. I suspect that Windows 8
tablets are going to do very well in the corporate market, and Google
really need to up their game over Android's dreadful bugginess.
Perpetual beta is all very well in its place, but that place is not the
consumer market.

iOS products are ridiculously expensive, have a clunky and outdated user
interface and restricted features compared to Android[1], but what they
do they do very well indeed.

Ian

[1] How to open a private browsing tab on an iPad Mini: press home
button - select settings - scroll to Safari - select Safari - slide
"private browsing" to on - press home button - select Safari. How to
open a private browsing tab in Android: long-press new tab button -
select "open new private tab"

[David Brown]

On 06/01/13 00:44, The Real Doctor wrote:
> On 05/01/13 12:30, David Brown wrote:
>> That may well be true. However, experience shows that common sense,
>> logic, value for money, product quality, etc., all play surprisingly
>> small roles in these things. So while I expect you will probably be
>> right, I wouldn't put any money on it!
>
> I'd put a bet on it, but not a large one. I suspect that Windows 8
> tablets are going to do very well in the corporate market, and Google
> really need to up their game over Android's dreadful bugginess.
> Perpetual beta is all very well in its place, but that place is not the
> consumer market.
>

I've heard the "Windows 8 tablets will do well in corporations" theory
before, but I can't say I agree with it. It will certainly do better
there than in the consumer market, but I cannot really think of many
reasons why anyone would want a tablet (rather than a small laptop) for
business use - and no reason at all why anyone would prefer a Windows 8
tablet over an iPad or Android tablet.

The only selling point that springs to mind is that a Windows tablet can
run MS Office, giving better compatibility with MS Office on desktops
(but not perfect compatibility - there never is between different
versions of MS Office). Yet the office software market is more
diversified now than it has been for years - the increased use of Google
office and other on-line tools, along with Libre Office / Open Office,
is making MS Office less necessary. For many uses, less than perfect
compatibility is good enough. And if you need to use any sort of office
software, you need a keyboard - so why bother with a tablet instead of a
full laptop? Or if you /do/ want a tablet with a keyboard, why bother
with a Win8 device when an iPad or Android pad plus keyboard (such as
the Asus Transformer) will do the job just as well?

[The Real Doctor]

On 06/01/13 17:43, David Brown wrote:
> I've heard the "Windows 8 tablets will do well in corporations" theory
> before, but I can't say I agree with it. It will certainly do better
> there than in the consumer market, but I cannot really think of many
> reasons why anyone would want a tablet (rather than a small laptop) for
> business use - and no reason at all why anyone would prefer a Windows 8
> tablet over an iPad or Android tablet.
>
> The only selling point that springs to mind is that a Windows tablet can
> run MS Office, giving better compatibility with MS Office on desktops
> (but not perfect compatibility - there never is between different
> versions of MS Office). Yet the office software market is more
> diversified now than it has been for years - the increased use of Google
> office and other on-line tools, along with Libre Office / Open Office,
> is making MS Office less necessary.

LibreOffice or OpenOffice have, for all practical purposes, no presence
in the corporate world at all. You and I might not like that, but that's
how it is. Furthermore, office software is now far more than
spreadsheets and word processing. There is nothing in the FOSS world
which comes even close to the functionality of MS office these days and
in particular to the integration of email and telephony.

A Windows 8 tablet with full Outlook / Lync / Office compatibility will
be a very attractive proposition indeed to the corporate market.
Meanwhile, the best I can do with Linux and Lync is set my status to
"not available".

Ian

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The Real Doctor wrote:

> On 06/01/13 17:43, David Brown wrote:
>> I've heard the "Windows 8 tablets will do well in corporations" theory
>> before, but I can't say I agree with it. It will certainly do better
>> there than in the consumer market, but I cannot really think of many
>> reasons why anyone would want a tablet (rather than a small laptop) for
>> business use - and no reason at all why anyone would prefer a Windows 8
>> tablet over an iPad or Android tablet.
>>
>> The only selling point that springs to mind is that a Windows tablet can
>> run MS Office, giving better compatibility with MS Office on desktops
>> (but not perfect compatibility - there never is between different
>> versions of MS Office). Yet the office software market is more
>> diversified now than it has been for years - the increased use of Google
>> office and other on-line tools, along with Libre Office / Open Office,
>> is making MS Office less necessary.
>
> LibreOffice or OpenOffice have, for all practical purposes, no presence
> in the corporate world at all.

How does that work?

200 million+ downloads so far.
There are less than 1,500 million desktop users.
At least 10% of the desktop world uses a freedom office product.
Since that is greater than 7%, freedom office product
is a mainstream product.

If some 10% of PCs are expected to ship with Ubuntu next year,
those percentages are going to rise steeply.

[The Real Doctor]

On 06/01/13 19:08, 7 wrote:
> If some 10% of PCs are expected to ship with Ubuntu next year,
> those percentages are going to rise steeply.

More than ship with OS/X? Yeah, right.

Ian

[Snit]

On 1/6/13 11:46 AM, in article kccgrb$hcu$1...@dont-email.me, "The Real Doctor"

<ian.g...@btinternet.com> wrote:

> On 06/01/13 17:43, David Brown wrote:
>> I've heard the "Windows 8 tablets will do well in corporations" theory
>> before, but I can't say I agree with it. It will certainly do better
>> there than in the consumer market, but I cannot really think of many
>> reasons why anyone would want a tablet (rather than a small laptop) for
>> business use - and no reason at all why anyone would prefer a Windows 8
>> tablet over an iPad or Android tablet.
>>
>> The only selling point that springs to mind is that a Windows tablet can
>> run MS Office, giving better compatibility with MS Office on desktops
>> (but not perfect compatibility - there never is between different
>> versions of MS Office). Yet the office software market is more
>> diversified now than it has been for years - the increased use of Google
>> office and other on-line tools, along with Libre Office / Open Office,
>> is making MS Office less necessary.
>
> LibreOffice or OpenOffice have, for all practical purposes, no presence
> in the corporate world at all. You and I might not like that, but that's
> how it is. Furthermore, office software is now far more than
> spreadsheets and word processing. There is nothing in the FOSS world
> which comes even close to the functionality of MS office these days and
> in particular to the integration of email and telephony.

True... though PowerPoint is still far behind Keynote... which is just
weird.

> A Windows 8 tablet with full Outlook / Lync / Office compatibility will
> be a very attractive proposition indeed to the corporate market.
> Meanwhile, the best I can do with Linux and Lync is set my status to
> "not available".
>
> Ian

--
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market while the open source system Linux accounts for 0.8%."
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[JEDIDIAH]

On 2013-01-06, The Real Doctor <ian.g...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> On 06/01/13 17:43, David Brown wrote:
>> I've heard the "Windows 8 tablets will do well in corporations" theory
>> before, but I can't say I agree with it. It will certainly do better
>> there than in the consumer market, but I cannot really think of many
>> reasons why anyone would want a tablet (rather than a small laptop) for
>> business use - and no reason at all why anyone would prefer a Windows 8
>> tablet over an iPad or Android tablet.
>>
>> The only selling point that springs to mind is that a Windows tablet can
>> run MS Office, giving better compatibility with MS Office on desktops
>> (but not perfect compatibility - there never is between different
>> versions of MS Office). Yet the office software market is more
>> diversified now than it has been for years - the increased use of Google
>> office and other on-line tools, along with Libre Office / Open Office,
>> is making MS Office less necessary.
>
> LibreOffice or OpenOffice have, for all practical purposes, no presence
> in the corporate world at all. You and I might not like that, but that's

You could have replaced that rant with WordPerfect and at at that time
it was not more relevant to most users. If anything, the idea of running
a gross overkill application for professional secretaries has become even
less relevant as there are more "users" and less "employees" then there
used to be.

[deletia]

You're right. There is far more to the modern office than spreadsheets.
This doesn't necessarily benefit Windows however as many of those apps
may no longer be hosted on DOS desktops anymore.

If you're fixating on office then real life has passed you by.

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[The Real Doctor]

On 06/01/13 21:50, JEDIDIAH wrote:
> You're right. There is far more to the modern office than spreadsheets.
> This doesn't necessarily benefit Windows however as many of those apps
> may no longer be hosted on DOS desktops anymore.

I can't begin to understand what this is supposed to mean.

> If you're fixating on office then real life has passed you by.

Corporate office software is a big market.

Ian

[Hadron]

Jed is a bit "special". He has zero idea of corporation workflows.


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[chrisv]

David Brown wrote:

>On 05/01/13 13:13, The Real Doctor wrote:
>> On 05/01/13 01:26, David Brown wrote:
>>> However, Apple still has about twice the market share of Android in pads
>>> (with Windows trailing far behind).
>>
>> Serious Android tablets have really only been around for a year or
>> eighteen months. It took a few years for Android to slaughter iOS in the
>> smartphone market; it will take a few years for Android to slaughter iOS
>> in the tablet market.
>

>That may well be true. However, experience shows that common sense,
>logic, value for money, product quality, etc., all play surprisingly
>small roles in these things. So while I expect you will probably be
>right, I wouldn't put any money on it!

I would put money on it. What you wrote above is mostly irrelevant.
The market needs far more choice than what Apple provides, with their
two tablets.

[JEDIDIAH]

On 2013-01-07, The Real Doctor <ian.g...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> On 06/01/13 21:50, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>> You're right. There is far more to the modern office than spreadsheets.
>> This doesn't necessarily benefit Windows however as many of those apps
>> may no longer be hosted on DOS desktops anymore.
>
> I can't begin to understand what this is supposed to mean.

Of course not. You're a poser probably posting from your mother's basement.

[deletia]

[The Real Doctor]

On 07/01/13 16:30, JEDIDIAH wrote:
> On 2013-01-07, The Real Doctor <ian.g...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> On 06/01/13 21:50, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>> You're right. There is far more to the modern office than spreadsheets.
>>> This doesn't necessarily benefit Windows however as many of those apps
>>> may no longer be hosted on DOS desktops anymore.
>>
>> I can't begin to understand what this is supposed to mean.
>
> Of course not. You're a poser probably posting from your mother's basement.

My mother doesn't have a basement.

Ian

[JEDIDIAH]

Attic, Garage, Cubbard under the stairs. It's all the same.

[Chris Hills]

What about...

Tizen?
Sailfish?
Firefox OS?

Qt seems to be gaining traction in the mobile market. Let's hope all
these platforms will come up with a common api otherwise we'll just see
more and more fragmentation which is bad for both developers and users.

[Chris Ahlstrom]

After swilling some grog, Chris Hills belched this bit o' wisdom:

Que sera sera.

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